loseri wrote:

You're supposed to do good on the faster parts to have enough hp on the slow parts.

Aqo wrote:

I still haven't seen a single person who enjoys the increased HP from HR on any map that has HP7 (or higher) and has slow parts or long spinners.

Aqo wrote:

Had the HP been 6 instead of 7, it wouldn't hurt people who farm FCs /at all/ since they're not affected by HP anyway, and at the same time this would make this mod a lot more enjoyable for multiplayer and people who just play for fun from random plays without caring for farming map for a good ranking score.

GoldenWolf wrote:

Aqo wrote:

I still haven't seen a single person who enjoys the increased HP from HR on any map that has HP7 (or higher) and has slow parts or long spinners.

I do enjoy it.

loseri wrote:

Me too, it adds a challenging factor, as stated several times before in this topic.

GoldenWolf wrote:

loseri wrote:

Me too, it adds a challenging factor, as stated several times before in this topic.

This map with HR is so much fun

GoldenWolf wrote:

loseri wrote:

Me too, it adds a challenging factor, as stated several times before in this topic.

This map with HR is so much fun

Tshemmp wrote:

I agree
Tbh I never saw the drain as a challenging factor here because it is pretty easy to survive the first part and after this it is basically a walk in the park.

I was talking more about maps like http://osu.ppy.sh/s/33428, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/38506, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/25463, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24899, http://osu.ppy.sh/s/26145 or http://osu.ppy.sh/s/23483.

Maybe I should stop posting here.

Aqo wrote:

So your fun is trolling people in multiplayer ;'o

buny wrote:

loser-kun abuses me in multiplayer

[Rdyjin] wrote:

To suddenly get back more on topic, I think this issue is perpetuated largely by how useless the accuracy stat is. I seriously have never known a more useless stat; any information that one can glean from accuracy is incomplete or even wrong, and other things do much better to portray exactly what the accuracy stat intends (i.e. grades). It only serves as a stigma to do better on a song, which is good, but when it's actually not in any way related to how good one actually does unless the accuracy is 100%, it's pointless and sometimes even depressing.

Max combo, on the other hand, is much more pertinent and much more necessary as a "do better" thing, especially for players who can't just FC everything already. I get so frustrated when I accidentally bullshit a song and get some ~500x combo and every play following I have at least a whole 3% accuracy better but still fail to pass the old score. And I play taiko, where it's not even as big of an issue because score bonuses cap out.

And accuracy is in no way related to pass/fail rate; I regularly pop 91-92% on the Taiko Collab for Anison Sprint and still fail it, and from what I've seen of standard it's even worse on the other side of the fence where it's about keeping life up rather than gaining a full life bar. When I first started playing, Ds and Cs were common. Now I'm lucky to pass with a B. Those grades still tell me more about how well I played than a % accuracy.

I think if accuracy were less apparent or actually pertinent, the frustration felt from failing a song due to non-accuracy things (i.e. HP drain) would be largely mitigated. As it stands now, it's sort of conflicting data that mostly leads to unhappiness for players that aren't gods.

jesus1412 wrote:

[Rdyjin] wrote:

To suddenly get back more on topic, I think this issue is perpetuated largely by how useless the accuracy stat is. I seriously have never known a more useless stat; any information that one can glean from accuracy is incomplete or even wrong, and other things do much better to portray exactly what the accuracy stat intends (i.e. grades). It only serves as a stigma to do better on a song, which is good, but when it's actually not in any way related to how good one actually does unless the accuracy is 100%, it's pointless and sometimes even depressing.

Max combo, on the other hand, is much more pertinent and much more necessary as a "do better" thing, especially for players who can't just FC everything already. I get so frustrated when I accidentally bullshit a song and get some ~500x combo and every play following I have at least a whole 3% accuracy better but still fail to pass the old score. And I play taiko, where it's not even as big of an issue because score bonuses cap out.

And accuracy is in no way related to pass/fail rate; I regularly pop 91-92% on the Taiko Collab for Anison Sprint and still fail it, and from what I've seen of standard it's even worse on the other side of the fence where it's about keeping life up rather than gaining a full life bar. When I first started playing, Ds and Cs were common. Now I'm lucky to pass with a B. Those grades still tell me more about how well I played than a % accuracy.

I think if accuracy were less apparent or actually pertinent, the frustration felt from failing a song due to non-accuracy things (i.e. HP drain) would be largely mitigated. As it stands now, it's sort of conflicting data that mostly leads to unhappiness for players that aren't gods.

stop.

jesus1412 wrote:

stop.

[Rdyjin] wrote:

jesus1412 wrote:

stop.

y.

It's a useless stat. It can conflict with the design of combos = score.

half-strangled, Rwandan goat?

JappyBabes wrote:

@new guy: you say grades matter, but not accuracy. the flaw there is that grades are based on accuracy, so please:

jesus1412 wrote:

stop.

jesus1412 wrote:

half-strangled, Rwandan goat?

[Rdyjin] wrote:

They are more useful as a stat than accuracy because it's the truth. They give more information on a shorter glance without any other information added in. To make the most of accuracy, other things must be known.

JappyBabes wrote:

[Rdyjin] wrote:

They are more useful as a stat than accuracy because it's the truth. They give more information on a shorter glance without any other information added in. To make the most of accuracy, other things must be known.

http://osu.ppy.sh/b/162864 are you being serious when you say As are worse than S' on every occasion. nobody is going to watch a replay of a nomod S 94% only to see a shit play w/ 100s and 50s everywhere when someone has a perfect w/ 1x miss. stop posting and if you do post, do it in the right thread. this thread is full of scrubs that can't play HR and want to make the game so they can pass everything

you in standard: Play Count: 4

[Rdyjin] wrote:

They're only loosely based on accuracy, and give more information than accuracy does, and yet are less apparent throughout playing the song than accuracy is.

They are more useful as a stat than accuracy because it's the truth. They give more information on a shorter glance without any other information added in. To make the most of accuracy, other things must be known.

Tanzklaue wrote:

[Rdyjin] wrote:

They're only loosely based on accuracy, and give more information than accuracy does, and yet are less apparent throughout playing the song than accuracy is.

They are more useful as a stat than accuracy because it's the truth. They give more information on a shorter glance without any other information added in. To make the most of accuracy, other things must be known.

86% Fc is an A.
99,95% with one miss on the last note is an A
the second score is clearly better and more impressive

Accuracy is an important stat for determining what is good and what isn't.
also I find it funny how it's basically the other way around. accuracy is something you look at and you know "ah, he did good/bad", while for grades, you have to know if the player did get the grade by a) missing
b) really bad acc or
c) too many 50s
even an S doesn't have to be an Fc, as there could be sliderbreaks which still result in an S but not in an Fc.

long story short: you really have no idea what you are talking about (or you are just a troll)

Silynn wrote:

this thread is about HR and drain, not debating the usefulness of accuracy (which, by the way, is pretty much the point of playing a music game - hitting in time to the beat)

Silynn wrote:

another tip: reading is a useful skill. this thread is about HR and drain, not debating the usefulness of accuracy (which, by the way, is pretty much the point of playing a music game - hitting in time to the beat)

Silynn wrote:

this thread is about HR and drain

Tanzklaue wrote:

accuracy is something you look at and you know "ah, he did good/bad"

lolcubes wrote:

2012 gaming in a nutshell:
Make things easier because it's hard.

Ekaru wrote:

If the map can't be passed on HR blame the mapper, not the mechanic.

Ekaru wrote:

it adds a sense of challenge

winber1 wrote:

And this has probably been said like 24 times.

[Rdyjin] wrote:

To suddenly get back more on topic, I think this issue is perpetuated largely by how useless the accuracy stat is. I seriously have never known a more useless stat; any information that one can glean from accuracy is incomplete or even wrong, and other things do much better to portray exactly what the accuracy stat intends (i.e. grades). It only serves as a stigma to do better on a song, which is good, but when it's actually not in any way related to how good one actually does unless the accuracy is 100%, it's pointless and sometimes even depressing.

Max combo, on the other hand, is much more pertinent and much more necessary as a "do better" thing, especially for players who can't just FC everything already. I get so frustrated when I accidentally bullshit a song and get some ~500x combo and every play following I have at least a whole 3% accuracy better but still fail to pass the old score. And I play taiko, where it's not even as big of an issue because score bonuses cap out.

And accuracy is in no way related to pass/fail rate; I regularly pop 91-92% on the Taiko Collab for Anison Sprint and still fail it, and from what I've seen of standard it's even worse on the other side of the fence where it's about keeping life up rather than gaining a full life bar. When I first started playing, Ds and Cs were common. Now I'm lucky to pass with a B. Those grades still tell me more about how well I played than a % accuracy.

I think if accuracy were less apparent or actually pertinent, the frustration felt from failing a song due to non-accuracy things (i.e. HP drain) would be largely mitigated. As it stands now, it's sort of conflicting data that mostly leads to unhappiness for players that aren't gods.