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Score Multipliers for 4~8k [osu!mania]

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Anceri
22 posts
Joined June 2012
Topic Starter
Anceri
If you think i'm referring to HR/HD/FL/DT/NC , no i'm not.

We have a mod option for playing 6k on a 7k map am i right?
I think we should set different score multipliers to each mod like 4k/5k/6k/7k/8k.
Because i think it'd be unfair if we are playing 6k and other people use 4k and still get higher score then us even though we use 6k.
Also i think 8k should have a higher score multiplier if we're playing on a 7k and below map, otherwise it's also unfair.

Here are some screenies if you don't get it.

4k/5k/6k/7k/8k each should have different score multipliers! otherwise it's unfair for gameplay.
SPOILER


woc2006
409 posts
Joined September 2011
woc2006
Firstly, I don't agree with using nK mods to get higher scores, so all nK mods are <1 multipliers.
Secondly, I've made different multipilers for 2 cases, play with more keys and play with less keys.
ZeroEightOne
240 posts
Joined August 2011
ZeroEightOne
I think scoring should be..
- More keys means higher multiplier
Example : 4K diff , 5K = 1.03x , 6K = 1.07x like this
- Less keys means lower multiplier
Example : 7K diff , 6K = 0.90x , 5K = 0.80x like this
Anceri
22 posts
Joined June 2012
Topic Starter
Anceri

0814587134 wrote:

I think scoring should be..
- More keys means higher multiplier
Example : 4K diff , 5K = 1.03x , 6K = 1.07x like this
- Less keys means lower multiplier
Example : 7K diff , 6K = 0.90x , 5K = 0.80x like this
That was what i was meaning all along...
Amefuri Koneko
130 posts
Joined April 2010
Amefuri Koneko

0814587134 wrote:

I think scoring should be..
- More keys means higher multiplier
Example : 4K diff , 5K = 1.03x , 6K = 1.07x like this
- Less keys means lower multiplier
Example : 7K diff , 6K = 0.90x , 5K = 0.80x like this

Not much sense in 1.x multipliers actually, diffs that autogen 4k are generaly super easy and they will stay super easy even with 7k-8k mod, there won't be any reason to play 4k easy diff cuz you can just learn to FC it with 7k mod in one evening.

On the other hand, 0.9x multiplier for 4k mod is WAY TOO HIGH, it should be at least 0.5x. Look up on youtube what stepmania\ffr players can do with 4k. This will lead to top 40 for any decent insane being taken by 4k SS's. Damn, Staiain already had a vid of him A'ing "big black" 4k. There're plenty of 7k insanes which are impossible\nearly impossible to 90% (mostly due to autogen abusing middle button), but they will be SS'd by 4k mod users in no time, believe me.
woc2006
409 posts
Joined September 2011
woc2006

Ami Furi Koneko wrote:

0814587134 wrote:

I think scoring should be..
- More keys means higher multiplier
Example : 4K diff , 5K = 1.03x , 6K = 1.07x like this
- Less keys means lower multiplier
Example : 7K diff , 6K = 0.90x , 5K = 0.80x like this

Not much sense in 1.x multipliers actually, diffs that autogen 4k are generaly super easy and they will stay super easy even with 7k-8k mod, there won't be any reason to play 4k easy diff cuz you can just learn to FC it with 7k mod in one evening.

On the other hand, 0.9x multiplier for 4k mod is WAY TOO HIGH, it should be at least 0.5x. Look up on youtube what stepmania\ffr players can do with 4k. This will lead to top 40 for any decent insane being taken by 4k SS's. Damn, Staiain already had a vid of him A'ing "big black" 4k. There're plenty of 7k insanes which are impossible\nearly impossible to 90% (mostly due to autogen abusing middle button), but they will be SS'd by 4k mod users in no time, believe me.
4K 0.86x
7K 0.9x
Anceri
22 posts
Joined June 2012
Topic Starter
Anceri
Couldn't 4k drop lower?
It doesn't make sense where most high rankings are done by 4Ks.

Look, a 4K getting higher then me , using 6k.
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Kazuo
3,333 posts
Joined September 2010
Kazuo
why not ranking boards for each keys?
theowest
osu! Alumni
6,891 posts
Joined January 2009
theowest

Kazuo wrote:

why not ranking boards for each keys?
this guy
Anceri
22 posts
Joined June 2012
Topic Starter
Anceri

theowest wrote:

Kazuo wrote:

why not ranking boards for each keys?
this guy
too epic.
peppy
19,301 posts
Here since the beginning
peppy
Why not ranking boards for each country for each key number for each unique mod combination for each state in each country for each period since the last lunar eclipse.
Zamura_old
22 posts
Joined August 2010
Zamura_old

peppy wrote:

Why not ranking boards for each country for each key number for each unique mod combination for each state in each country for each period since the last lunar eclipse.
lol'd
Bites
185 posts
Joined June 2012
Bites
i already don't really like the 0.86 on 4k compared to other mods - both require a high degree of skill and many 7k players have shown themselves to be able to defeat 4k scores effortlessly and would've taken top ranks regardless of score mods!

but hey, it's already decent enough to be recognized as the 'best' 4k player on mania right now (that is, until staiain gets used to long notes) so i'm not really that iffed! it's all in good fun anyways, so i'll still be playing 4k regardless of whether it's at 0.9x score or 0.1x :D

speaking of which, someone go take my #1 on banned forever. 4k scores are noob, one of you 7k pros can do it!
Agka
680 posts
Joined January 2009
Agka
this is an honest question.

why do you guys care about the autoconversion scores?
Kazuo
3,333 posts
Joined September 2010
Kazuo

Anticipate wrote:

Couldn't 4k drop lower?
It doesn't make sense where most high rankings are done by 4Ks.

Look, a 4K getting higher then me , using 6k.
i was thinking about that too when i first saw the rankings, but hey if they do x score with x keys and your score with more keys is lower, doesnt it means that you should get better?
riffy
osu! Alumni
8,060 posts
Joined December 2010
riffy

peppy wrote:

Why not ranking boards for each country for each key number for each unique mod combination for each state in each country for each period since the last lunar eclipse.
peppy wins again
Desco
14 posts
Joined January 2012
Desco
Thank you, I was wondering about this. I play 7k and even though I don't care a lot about scores and ranks it's still annoying to get beaten out by players who use 4k when 7k is much more work.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:P
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theowest
osu! Alumni
6,891 posts
Joined January 2009
theowest
whoa, are any of those super insane doubletime ranks legit?
Saten
Global Moderator
3,863 posts
Joined August 2010
Saten
afaik yes

o!m is the only mode you can DT such maps in the current state.
Bites
185 posts
Joined June 2012
Bites
i think the hardest DTable song right now is peppy's tutorial, pro gameplay.

i'm not certain on that so dont call me on it but so far that's the hardest i've personally been able to FC on DT
mulraf
1,067 posts
Joined January 2012
mulraf
hm... my thought is that you can train yourself to always play with 8 keys, you just need time and put effort into it, someday you'll get used to it...
but if you need to play with a varying number of keys you'll allways need to adapt yourself to that, in my opinion it's harder to sometimes play the games with 7 keys, with 6 keys or with 4 keys, than allways doing the same....
that's probably also what they thought when they made up that mod.
Lno
158 posts
Joined September 2012
Lno

peppy wrote:

Why not ranking boards for each country for each key number for each unique mod combination for each state in each country for each period since the last lunar eclipse.
You don't have to go that far. <_>

I don't see why score should change with keys it should just be different ranking boards for each key. Putting a 4k player together with a 7k player is just silly.
theowest
osu! Alumni
6,891 posts
Joined January 2009
theowest

Lno wrote:

peppy wrote:

Why not ranking boards for each country for each key number for each unique mod combination for each state in each country for each period since the last lunar eclipse.
You don't have to go that far. <_>

I don't see why score should change with keys it should just be different ranking boards for each key. Putting a 4k player together with a 7k player is just silly.
stop it. you're just making it worse
Lno
158 posts
Joined September 2012
Lno
How am I making it worse by stating my opinion? I just don't like that there's a score deduction for different key modes.
theowest
osu! Alumni
6,891 posts
Joined January 2009
theowest
It's a mod. All mods are suppose to be viewed on the ranking. Are you seriously considering separate rankings for each key mod?

Support this mod filter request instead
t/88988
Lno
158 posts
Joined September 2012
Lno
I'm complaining more about the score reduction for having different key mods active rather than the ranking board stuff so that filter doesn't really affect my complaint.

I would rather the scores be equal for all of the key mods but since others were already complaining about the difference in difficulty with keys the idea of different ranking boards would fix this.
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
5,004 posts
Joined July 2011
MillhioreF
I'd be all for different ranking charts for the 5 different key amounts, but there are 2 main problems with that:
1. It divides players and makes for less competition (the big one)
2. It'd be annoying on the web (either you add another dropdown menu just for mania or add a new tab for every game mode, which is cluttered and unintuitive)

Besides, you're going against the nature of how the map was naturally generated, and changing it so it's not the original map any more, just like what any other mod does. Separate leaderboards for each key amount would be like having separate leaderboards for nomod, easy, halftime, hard rock and doubletime (since each one changes how the map plays)
MMzz
Elite Mapper
3,979 posts
Joined June 2009
MMzz
I'm not sure how upping the key mode will always make things harder.

Take and easy map (4Keys) and turn on 8Key, you won't even use every lane and you still play the same rhythm. I don't understand how that is harder, it's just using a different amount of lanes to the same rhythm. You can also get other results of less double/triple/quad key presses because things are more spread out. That's harder, right?

Also: Overall leaderboards are not and never will be 100% accurate. You're missing the point of the game if ranking up is the only objective.
TheVileOne
osu! Alumni
8,431 posts
Joined March 2010
TheVileOne
^ Actually it's highly likely to use every lane and it's not the same rhythm. The rhythm uses more keys and there are more chords. Also that's nitpicking. Out of 20 thousand ranked beatmaps, if there exists a few maps that are easier on higher keys then we shouldn't happen. (Not to say I agree with extra multipliers, but seriously not a good way to approach things).

There also isn't many double presses in Easies, and it's almost always certain to have three chord presses when you bump things up to 7K, and even more so with 8 key, because the game allows it to happen more frequently.

I don't think whether or not some difficulties or easy or not is the problem. woc seems to be pretty anal about this 1 million max and at this rate the regular DT, hidden, Hardrock wont even have positive multipliers.
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
5,004 posts
Joined July 2011
MillhioreF
woc's method doesn't even make sense with hard rock. All it does is make harsher hit leniency, which... would result in more lenient hits??
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