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NotShinta
Turns out, I actually knew this song without the help of video games. Yo' all nerds!

General:
In my opinion, the background really doesn't fit the song. The BG's quite dark and abstract, but the song seems colourful and summery to me. I can see why you wouldn't fix it though, SB and all.

Hard
Tick rate 2, please. Right now, there's no way to tell the slowdown with any other slider.
There is some inconsistent spacing here; 1/4s will sometimes overlap, and sometimes not. This, however, does not affect the playablitity of the map.
00:58:023, 00:58:745 - Add notes? This kind of undermapping is quite strange, especially on the hardest difficulty.
01:06:978 (6) - Shorten the end by 1/2?
02:21:22, 002:21:942 - Add note?
02:30:175 (6) - Shorten the end by 1/2?

cesc's Normal
00:28:268 - This rhythmic break isn't necessary, I think. Same for the other.

Easy
fine stuff here

Sorry if this mod post seems kind of small, haven't had time to mod extensively. Quality map anyway.
Topic Starter
Card N'FoRcE

NotShinta wrote:

Turns out, I actually knew this song without the help of video games. Yo' all nerds!

General:
In my opinion, the background really doesn't fit the song. The BG's quite dark and abstract, but the song seems colourful and summery to me. I can see why you wouldn't fix it though, SB and all. Now that you say it, yeah you're right, but i wanted the speakers and this was the best BG i found >_<

Hard
Tick rate 2, please. Right now, there's no way to tell the slowdown with any other slider. Nope, and trust me, it's impossible to miss it.
There is some inconsistent spacing here; 1/4s will sometimes overlap, and sometimes not. This, however, does not affect the playablitity of the map.
00:58:023, 00:58:745 - 02:21:22, 002:21:942- Add notes? This kind of undermapping is quite strange, especially on the hardest difficulty. Yeah, i wanted to fix it but i always postponed :x
01:06:978 (6) - 02:30:175 (6) - Shorten the end by 1/2? I wanted to remake this too, so yeaeh, reworked.


cesc's Normal
00:28:268 - This rhythmic break isn't necessary, I think. Same for the other. I'll tell him to make them consistent at the very least, since the last one is different :x

Easy
fine stuff here

Sorry if this mod post seems kind of small, haven't had time to mod extensively. Quality map anyway.
Thanks for modding :D
Beren
gyt
[Hard]
  1. 00:36:645 (4,5,1,2) - plays bad for me - make it like 00:38:956 (1,2,3) (and other "drinks" here): replace 00:36:645 (4,5) with a slider + add new combo, replace 00:36:934 (1) with a circle + remove new combo
  2. 00:37:512 (4), 00:39:823 (4) - add claps? (like at 01:23:733 - 01:27:199)
  3. 00:44:156 (1) - remove new combo
  4. 01:22:866 (4,5,1,2), 01:25:177 (8,9,1,2) - I don't like this "drinks" pattern again (maybe I'm noob, but it's too difficult for me - for variety I would have changed 01:23:155 (1,2) and 01:25:466 (1,2) to one slider, maybe)
  5. 01:30:377 (1) - remove new combo
  6. 02:38:264 (1)...02:52:130 (1) - hm, 4 spinners are a bit bored. Change first and third one to something? (for example: http://puu.sh/1qIh)
    cool diff in overall!
[cesc's Normal]
map first two breaks and part of third one like in other diffs?
  1. 01:10:155 (3) - remove clap?
  2. 01:39:621 - add circle? (I really want to click here)
  3. 01:56:375 (3) - remove clap?
  4. 02:00:132 (1) - make soft sound like 01:13:911 (1)
  5. 02:38:264 (1) - oh, these spinners again
[Easy]
  1. 00:39:823 (4) - add clap?
  2. 01:26:044 (4) - ^
  3. 02:20:064 (4) - add clap at the repeat?
  4. 02:29:308 (4) - ^
  5. 02:38:264 (1)...02:52:130 (1) - :roll: also circles like 02:41:152 (1) may be too soon after spinner for easy diff
Nice old song, star.
Topic Starter
Card N'FoRcE

gyt wrote:

[Hard]
  1. 00:36:645 (4,5,1,2) - plays bad for me - make it like 00:38:956 (1,2,3) (and other "drinks" here): replace 00:36:645 (4,5) with a slider + add new combo, replace 00:36:934 (1) with a circle + remove new combo Sorry, no.
  2. 00:37:512 (4), 00:39:823 (4) - add claps? (like at 01:23:733 - 01:27:199) The lack of claps is intentional
  3. 00:44:156 (1) - remove new combo Nope.
  4. 01:22:866 (4,5,1,2), 01:25:177 (8,9,1,2) - I don't like this "drinks" pattern again (maybe I'm noob, but it's too difficult for me - for variety I would have changed 01:23:155 (1,2) and 01:25:466 (1,2) to one slider, maybe) "Drinks"? Anyway no as above.
  5. 01:30:377 (1) - remove new combo Nope as above
  6. 02:38:264 (1)...02:52:130 (1) - hm, 4 spinners are a bit bored. Change first and third one to something? (for example: http://puu.sh/1qIh) You're kinda right, yet i like them that way.
    cool diff in overall!
[Easy]
  1. 00:39:823 (4) - add clap? Same as Hard
  2. 01:26:044 (4) - ^ ^
  3. 02:20:064 (4) - add clap at the repeat? I never used claps in the choruses.
  4. 02:29:308 (4) - ^ ^
  5. 02:38:264 (1)...02:52:130 (1) - :roll: also circles like 02:41:152 (1) may be too soon after spinner for easy diff Nah.
Nice old song, star.
Thanks for modding.

Waiting for cesc's answer
superoven
People HAVEN'T heard of this song? what. Anyway, love it. Take my star
Mercurius
:)
marshallracer
:D
HeatKai
hello

[easy]
00:13:246 (1) - Ninja jump ? :P
00:17:868 (1) - spacing :3
00:21:913 (x) - add one more circle
00:41:556 (2,3,1,2) - Can you arrange like this " http://puu.sh/2kBu" maybe better?
02:10:531 (2) - end at the white tick ?
02:12:842 (2) - ^

[cesc's normal]
00:36:934 (1,2,1,2) - make it better shape ?
01:03:222 (x) - add a circle ~~
01:10:155 (3,4) - replace these two to be 1 slider like this ? "http://puu.sh/2kC3"
01:21:999 (1) - make better shape ?
01:32:399 (1,2,3,4) - make spacing consistent , don't follow the BG XD
01:56:375 (3,4) - same like 01:10:155 (3,4)

[hard]

Approach rate +1 ?

00:47:334 (x) - add a circle
00:49:645 (x) - ^
00:51:956 (x) - ^
01:08:422 (9) - new combo
02:00:132 (3) - add a circle with finish
02:31:619 (9) - new combo
02:37:830 (x) - put small slider here " http://puu.sh/2kCR "
02:42:452 (x) - ^
02:47:074 (x) - ^
02:51:696 (x) - ^


[Overall]

Don't graveyard D: !
Starred ~*

Good luck Cn'F :D
Topic Starter
Card N'FoRcE

HeatKai wrote:

[easy]
00:13:246 (1) - Ninja jump ? :P Fixed a bit, it was a bit too much and i didn't notice
00:17:868 (1) - spacing :3 ? I see nothing wrong here.
00:21:913 (x) - add one more circle Nope, i should do that for every similiar pattern the map would become too hard for a Easy.
00:41:556 (2,3,1,2) - Can you arrange like this " http://puu.sh/2kBu" maybe better? I agree.
02:10:531 (2) - end at the white tick ? Nope, i was already asked to but i won't do that.
02:12:842 (2) - ^ ^

[cesc's normal]
waiting for cesc here.

[hard]

Approach rate +1 ? Why? It's too fast.

00:47:334 (x) - add a circle Nope
00:49:645 (x) - ^ ^
00:51:956 (x) - ^ ^
01:08:422 (9) - new combo Yeah, i missed this one
02:00:132 (3) - add a circle with finish At first i removed that one because it seemed weird, but actually maybe it's better to have it. SO, added.
02:31:619 (9) - new combo Yep, same as the other one, fixed.
02:37:830 (x) - put small slider here " http://puu.sh/2kCR " O_o??? It sounds really bad actually.
02:42:452 (x) - ^ ^
02:47:074 (x) - ^ ^
02:51:696 (x) - ^ ^


[Overall]

Don't graveyard D: !
Starred ~*

Good luck Cn'F :D
Thanks for modding!

EDIT: updated.
cesc
Fixed something from HeatKai's post ; Thank you :)

Download: Chumbawamba - Tubthumping (Card N'FoRcE) [cesc's Normal].osu
deadbeat
only thing i found wierd was the 0.5 second audio lead in time, is that meant to be there

also star for another awesome map
infact double star 8-)
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Card N'FoRcE

deadbeat wrote:

only thing i found wierd was the 0.5 second audio lead in time, is that meant to be there

also star for another awesome map
infact double star 8-)
Yep, it's for the fade to black 500ms before the song starts :P

Thanks a lot :)
NoHitter
General
Add cesc to Tags.

Easy
00:12:380 (3) - I'm unsure about this synced beat. Move it 1/2 later?
00:17:002 (3) - Same as above.
00:21:624 (3) - Same as above.
01:49:443 (3) - Same as above.
01:54:066 (3) - Same as above.

02:10:531 (2) - Shorten by 1/4?
02:12:842 (2) - Same as above.

cesc's Normal
Maybe you could map the parts such that it will have the same amount of breaks as the other diffs?
00:12:380 (4,6) - [nazi] They're not symmetrical.
01:13:911 (1) - Remove new combo?
02:00:131 (1) - Remove new combo? Also shouldn't this be soft-whistle?
Like this diff :)

Hard
02:18:620 (1) - Finish here?

Edit: Bubbled
Topic Starter
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NoHItter wrote:

General
Add cesc to Tags. Whooops, fixed.

Easy
00:12:380 (3) - I'm unsure about this synced beat. Move it 1/2 later?
00:17:002 (3) - Same as above.
00:21:624 (3) - Same as above.
01:49:443 (3) - Same as above.
01:54:066 (3) - Same as above.

Uhm, I don't really like how it sounds 1/2 after... Anyway can you give me a reason for that suggestion? Those patterns match with 00:09:780 (3,4) - 00:14:402 (3,4) - 00:19:024 (3) - 01:42:222 (3,4) - 01:46:844 (3,4) - 01:51:466 (3). I agree that they're not completely following the voice but those sliders should help the player to understand the rhythm i used.

02:10:531 (2) - Shorten by 1/4?
02:12:842 (2) - Same as above.

Ok, since a lot of people pointed them out I'm shortening them. Mostly because the second slidertick is not shown while playing, though.

cesc's Normal
(I'm taking care of this because cesc is on vacation and he told me it's ok for me to be in charge)
Maybe you could map the parts such that it will have the same amount of breaks as the other diffs?
00:12:380 (4,6) - [nazi] They're not symmetrical. Fixed
01:13:911 (1) - Remove new combo? It looks cool on the speaker :P
02:00:131 (1) - Remove new combo? Also shouldn't this be soft-whistle? Same, and fixed the hitsound.
Like this diff :)

Hard
02:18:620 (1) - Finish here? Fixed.
Also fixed 01:13:333 (6,7,8) and 02:36:530 (6,7,8) - because they should be mapped with 1/6.
Thanks for modding :)
James2250
-Over 2 minutes without a break is really pushing it for the easiest difficulty (especially as Normal has several breaks throughout the map) Try and include at least 1 more break somewhere to give beginners more time to rest
-Not sure if the stuff between 01:39:332 - 01:40:488 etc needs an epilepsy warning or not..
-Is the 0.5 second audio lead-in really needed? Doesn't matter too much anyway

Easy:
-Follows some slightly odd rhythms at times compared to what I expected but it works well enough
02:16:309 (1) - you could make this 0.75 instead just so it doesn't throw beginner players off too much
02:38:264 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - not the best idea as beginners can often have trouble keeping up with spinners but they might be long enough to get away with it here

cesc's Normal:
-The start of your first 2 breaks are dragged back one tick so start your last break at 02:00:709 for consistency?
00:15:268 (1) - remove new combo to match last combo pattern

Hard:
-I don't see any reason for Easy/Normal to have a tick rate of 2.0 and this difficulty to have a tick rate of 0.5
-Would still be nice if it included another break in the first half of the map but isn't required as much as Easy
00:10:935 (6,7) - kind of an odd place to include a jump in my opinion
01:43:376 (6,7) - ^
02:16:309 (1) - this is unrankable with the current tick rate (it is impossible to tell it is slower than the rest of the sliders while playing the first time)

The mapset looks pretty good overall but some important things that need to be fixed first
Topic Starter
Card N'FoRcE

James2250 wrote:

-Over 2 minutes without a break is really pushing it for the easiest difficulty (especially as Normal has several breaks throughout the map) Try and include at least 1 more break somewhere to give beginners more time to rest Have some suggestions for this? I can't figure out anything apart from removing both the parts cesc removed as well, but that part sounds so cool when mapped ;_;
-Not sure if the stuff between 01:39:332 - 01:40:488 etc needs an epilepsy warning or not.. Well, the first 4 flashes have a opacity value of 0.3 and the last one has 0.6, so they're quite light. Also it's only 1.2 seconds (and used 3/4 times in the whole song).
-Is the 0.5 second audio lead-in really needed? Doesn't matter too much anyway Already answered: it's for darkening the BG at the beginning

Easy:
-Follows some slightly odd rhythms at times compared to what I expected but it works well enough
02:16:309 (1) - you could make this 0.75 instead just so it doesn't throw beginner players off too much I agree, fixed.
02:38:264 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - not the best idea as beginners can often have trouble keeping up with spinners but they might be long enough to get away with it here the recovery time between spinners and spinners lenght seem balanced enough to me

cesc's Normal:
-The start of your first 2 breaks are dragged back one tick so start your last break at 02:00:709 for consistency? I remember I told him and he answered he'd fix that, but i guess he forgot xD
00:15:268 (1) - remove new combo to match last combo pattern I don't remember that being there, maybe i misclicked something last time. Fixed.

Hard:
-I don't see any reason for Easy/Normal to have a tick rate of 2.0 and this difficulty to have a tick rate of 0.5 I tried using 2 when i was mapping, but i wasn't satisfied. Anyway i changed to 1, the reason is below.
-Would still be nice if it included another break in the first half of the map but isn't required as much as Easy I may agree to this for Easy if i can find a good place to put them, but i won't change them here.
00:10:935 (6,7) - kind of an odd place to include a jump in my opinion
01:43:376 (6,7) - ^ I agree with both, because they feel weird due to them being used only in these two cases. Fixed.
02:16:309 (1) - this is unrankable with the current tick rate (it is impossible to tell it is slower than the rest of the sliders while playing the first time) Wait what. There is absolutely no way to miss it. Anyway since it's exactly the same shape as 01:11:600 (1) - i'm changing the slidertickrate to 1: that will allow this slider to have a tick but won't change the others, it should be a good compromise.

The mapset looks pretty good overall but some important things that need to be fixed first
Thanks for modding, I'll send the update in a hour or so (I'll edit this post).

EDIT: updated.
James2250
I am fine with the tick rate being 1 on Insane so that's good

As for the break it should fit from 01:13:911 - 01:23:155 (or slightly smaller if you want it) on Easy and on Hard if you want to put one
Inamaru
Woo~ nice!
Gcode
Im sorry... I had to nitpick at small things because there's not much wrong with the maps themselves, except aesthetic things... Even the easy had nothing so I feel bad posting this... D:


General
-Maybe you should add a epilepsy warning for the white flashes? I don't really know.

Normal
00:16:135 (1) - New combo maybe?
00:18:735 (1) - ^
01:25:177 (1) - This note seems to be weirdly stacked with 01:25:466 (2)


Hard
00:10:935 (6) - New combo?
00:11:513 (4) - Remove New combo?
00:12:813 (1) - NC
00:12:957 (1) - RNC?
00:15:846 (7) - NC
00:16:135 (1) - RNC?
01:03:656 (6) - NC
01:03:800 (1) - RNC
01:45:254 (6) - NC
01:45:398 (1) - RNC
02:26:853 (6) - NC
02:26:997 (1) - RNC
Topic Starter
Card N'FoRcE
Modding answered by irc.

Unfortunately, no changes, sorry >;
James2250
I am not late, you can't prove anything :P

-I can let the 2 minutes without a break go if you really don't want to add one as it isn't "too" bad
-Changed Hard to have tick rate 2 like the other difficulties, everything else looks good now

Rebubbled~
-kevincela-
:D

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Andrea
Everything seems to check out, pretty good map.

Ranked~
-kevincela-
<3
Blackiris
Best SB ever.
deadbeat
Sweet :)
Congratz bro. Good to see this ranked
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wow...the hard diff has a really great sense of rhythm, like it :)
fastice
Hey, I had looked for this song for SOOOOOO long! but I dont know the name...TT
Now I find it, thanks bro!
0_o
This is late, but I've been away for the last 8 days so that's my excuse.

I'm pretty sure the entire map should be in 1/6.

Sheet music agrees: http://www.freehandmusic.com/sheet-musi ... ing-371030

EDIT: Well most of it at least, the trumpet part near the end seems alright, but parts like 00:09:491 (2,3,4) etc. are definitely swung.
ziin
I agree with 0_o
00:12:380 (4,5,6,1) - these are fine though.

but this is the best map I've seen which doesn't swing when it's supposed to.
Topic Starter
Card N'FoRcE
I remember when i was mapping it that i was really unsure about some 1/4 parts, but when testplaying the flow felt quite good to me and actually 1/6 felt worse when i compared the patterns...

Plus, i think that the variation between 1/6 and 1/4 turned out quite great.
I can't explain why (i know i should be able to explain, but this time i can't :<), but i get that feeling when i hear/play it.
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