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I literally cannot improve on 4*

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thearcticdivin2
8 posts
Joined September 2021
Topic Starter
thearcticdivin2
For the chaos that is the 4* charting, I must say that Insane fits the bill pretty well. Even though there is a lot of variety in 4*, it comes down to the same thing and I feel no improvement at all over the time that I've played it. I can't beat specific charts, ever, etc etc.

The chaos in 4* is so bad that it genuinely haunts me, the star system makes 0 sense at all, I cannot beat a Insane that is literally back in 3* because of health drain. Why does the health drain change so much? Why do I literally have an insane chart that has health drain SO bad that you cannot gain health period? I feel like health drain is a taboo thing but it really does hurt when you are thrown new patterns with relentless health drain. There is no room to improve if more than 75% of insane charts have such a punishing style. If I could spend time to learn longer jumps and all that, I WOULD, but there is no wild instance where these jumps or patterns occur in an environment that I can properly learn timing and precision. The only insane songs I end up beating are either A. actually decent health drain, or B. have patterns similar to Hard. Out of all the insane charts I have, I feel like I can beat less than 25% of them, even after all the time I've tried to play 4*. At this point I can EASILY get through any 3* chart and I want more challenge, but Insane really isn't cutting it, more than half of the charts feel unfair to a point. What do I do?
suipiss_
133 posts
Joined January 2022
suipiss_
your top play is 26pp keep playing hard diffs

your play count is very low dont think u can learn much doing that so play more
FlowyYQ
156 posts
Joined January 2019
FlowyYQ
Im going to be honest here, the stuff some people are ranking as Insane difficulties are way too complex for beginners. You need to play simple stuff first. Like, the very bare minimum of simple.
https://osu-pps.com/#/osu/maps
You can find all the simple maps here
You're going to learn a bit on how aim and reading ARs works here
This is pretty much ONLY to build a decent foundation to start off with, like just a starting point, then you're going to try learning how to play whats being ranked nowadays.
The sets of maps you find in that site might not be like, the very best sets to improve. But its a really good site because you get this very doable difficulty curve unlike the insane curve you're currently having to deal with
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thearcticdivin2
8 posts
Joined September 2021
Topic Starter
thearcticdivin2

suipiss_ wrote:

your top play is 26pp keep playing hard diffs

your play count is very low dont think u can learn much doing that so play more
ironically I've been playing longer than this account implies, I had another account but I forgot what email I used so thats funny, I've played a LOT of hard since like, I'm gonna say 2019? pretty much the same name as this one but replace the 2 with an i
suipiss_
133 posts
Joined January 2022
suipiss_

thearcticdivin2 wrote:

suipiss_ wrote:

your top play is 26pp keep playing hard diffs

your play count is very low dont think u can learn much doing that so play more
ironically I've been playing longer than this account implies, I had another account but I forgot what email I used so thats funny, I've played a LOT of hard since like, I'm gonna say 2019? pretty much the same name as this one but replace the 2 with an i
isnt that multiaccounting? which is bannable
thearcticdivin2
8 posts
Joined September 2021
Topic Starter
thearcticdivin2

suipiss_ wrote:

thearcticdivin2 wrote:

suipiss_ wrote:

your top play is 26pp keep playing hard diffs

your play count is very low dont think u can learn much doing that so play more
ironically I've been playing longer than this account implies, I had another account but I forgot what email I used so thats funny, I've played a LOT of hard since like, I'm gonna say 2019? pretty much the same name as this one but replace the 2 with an i
isnt that multiaccounting? which is bannable
I suppose, again I do not know the email to that one. I really do not. I tried to find a way to get it back but of course just knowing the password is not enough.

basically that account is dead. I have no access to it.
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dung eater
2,440 posts
Joined December 2013
dung eater
there's the mod 'nofail' you can use if you don't like hp drain

star rating does not tell you how difficult the map is, it just tells how difficult the things in the map it can measure are. it's good at measuring jump/tapping speed related things.

reading and patterns it's not so good at, which both can stop you from being able to play a map.
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kaedori
319 posts
Joined September 2018
kaedori
your goal shouldn't be passing/clearing maps it should be trying to get high accuracy (>95%) full combos on them
AccountWontWork
2,023 posts
Joined March 2021
AccountWontWork
the jump from 3* to 4* is indeed a bit challenging, but just keep playing and you'll magically get an enlightenment in a few days or weeks.


also some notes:

1. in the osu! community we call levels/songs as Beatmaps or maps, not charts.

2. we usually do not relate difficulty names such as (Easy, Normal, Hard, Insane, Extra, Expert, Extreme) as actual difficulty indicators, we usually use Star Rating. It is dumb but sometimes even some lower star maps are actually harder than some higher star maps. In the end its quite loose to tell how hard a map actually is, especially with players of different skillsets. so yes, the star system does indeed make zero sense.

3. there is a mod called No Fail, it makes it so that you cannot fail a map even if you run out of HP, so if you just want to practice and not die all the time then use that mod.

4. also, just because you die does not mean you arent learning. Even if you die on a maps, you will unconsciously learn and improve from them.
JLuca913 891
454 posts
Joined December 2022
JLuca913 891
use the NF (NoFail) mod, or play MORE 4* maps.

A lot of 4* maps has like 4hp drain or something like that, and you'll get better if you play more
Happy Satoko
280 posts
Joined November 2019
Happy Satoko

FlowyYQ wrote:

Im going to be honest here, the stuff some people are ranking as Insane difficulties are way too complex for beginners. You need to play simple stuff first. Like, the very bare minimum of simple.
Just to add onto this, I made these a few months ago bc of this problem ( ˙꒳​˙ )
https://osucollector.com/collections/8433/-----Totally-Regular-Maps
https://osucollector.com/collections/8432/-----Mostly-Regular-Maps
thearcticdivin2
8 posts
Joined September 2021
Topic Starter
thearcticdivin2

kaedori wrote:

your goal shouldn't be passing/clearing maps it should be trying to get high accuracy (>95%) full combos on them
I do have a general accuracy goal, at the threshold for B rank, though I more play the game for fun and I find forcing myself to become that good is asking too much of myself.

Happy Satoko wrote:

Just to add onto this, I made these a few months ago bc of this problem ( ˙꒳​˙ )
https://osucollector.com/collections/8433/-----Totally-Regular-Maps
https://osucollector.com/collections/8432/-----Mostly-Regular-Maps
Yeah, these are pretty good, Thanks.
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__scripting
301 posts
Joined February 2021
__scripting
play more 3.5* - 3.8* stars and masterize your reading and ability to do triples notes.

imo you will mindblock triple burst by playing only insane diff bc you dont have a good reading for ar 9 yet. so, practice more 3.6 or 3.8 stars maps until you get good on them

and btw... acc age =/= your skill level
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FelixJumper
44 posts
Joined March 2023
FelixJumper
get used to a lot of mid-high 3* (3.4*-3.8*) maps and their patterns in them. i see the chaos you mean in 4* maps (there are some crazy ones out there) but some 4* maps are very similar in concept to 3* but just wider spacing/faster timings. doesn't even have to be a long map either, it can be some short map that gets you used to aiming fast/precise.
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Lilyn
825 posts
Joined September 2020
Lilyn
hii 5 digit here.

practice tapping with 2 fingers on these:
picture

and any variation of it. if you can't do this almost perfectly, you can't move to 4*.

these patterns are available in most 3 star maps, which is the ones you should be focusing on.

> "use the NF (NoFail) mod, or play MORE 4* maps."
this is bad advice.. it will lead to bad habits. failing on a map is usually an indicator of you not being ready for that difficulty.
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Nanofranne
692 posts
Joined May 2018
Nanofranne
You will get better with more time. In another word, play more

4* Introduce you to faster aspects on basic patterns. There's really not much to add except play more.

C's are fine, B's are good. No need to care about acc, your mind will adapt to react better, just enjoy playing!
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anaxii
15,000 posts
Joined December 2022
anaxii
If you know how to bursts, you will know how to play 4*
FlowyYQ
156 posts
Joined January 2019
FlowyYQ

Lilyn wrote:

hii 5 digit here.

practice tapping with 2 fingers on these:
picture

and any variation of it. if you can't do this almost perfectly, you can't move to 4*.

these patterns are available in most 3 star maps, which is the ones you should be focusing on.

> "use the NF (NoFail) mod, or play MORE 4* maps."
this is bad advice.. it will lead to bad habits. failing on a map is usually an indicator of you not being ready for that difficulty.
I always use NF. Best thing ever... I hate notelock with a burning passion. Why do i have to get kicked out from the map for missing one note?

Edit: though i agree for maps with low density if u fail its kinda skill issue and u should run away, find a slightly less steeper step lol
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Ymir
1,757 posts
Joined June 2020
Ymir

thearcticdivin2 wrote:

suipiss_ wrote:

thearcticdivin2 wrote:

suipiss_ wrote:

your top play is 26pp keep playing hard diffs

your play count is very low dont think u can learn much doing that so play more
ironically I've been playing longer than this account implies, I had another account but I forgot what email I used so thats funny, I've played a LOT of hard since like, I'm gonna say 2019? pretty much the same name as this one but replace the 2 with an i
isnt that multiaccounting? which is bannable
I suppose, again I do not know the email to that one. I really do not. I tried to find a way to get it back but of course just knowing the password is not enough.

basically that account is dead. I have no access to it.
It's joever, unless GMTs miss this post or they let you off the hook.
anaxii
15,000 posts
Joined December 2022
anaxii

-Remi wrote:

thearcticdivin2 wrote:

suipiss_ wrote:

thearcticdivin2 wrote:

suipiss_ wrote:

your top play is 26pp keep playing hard diffs

your play count is very low dont think u can learn much doing that so play more
ironically I've been playing longer than this account implies, I had another account but I forgot what email I used so thats funny, I've played a LOT of hard since like, I'm gonna say 2019? pretty much the same name as this one but replace the 2 with an i
isnt that multiaccounting? which is bannable
I suppose, again I do not know the email to that one. I really do not. I tried to find a way to get it back but of course just knowing the password is not enough.

basically that account is dead. I have no access to it.
It's joever, unless GMTs miss this post or they let you off the hook.
They will miss this post no worries
thearcticdivin2
8 posts
Joined September 2021
Topic Starter
thearcticdivin2

Lilyn wrote:

hii 5 digit here.

practice tapping with 2 fingers on these:
picture

and any variation of it. if you can't do this almost perfectly, you can't move to 4*.

these patterns are available in most 3 star maps, which is the ones you should be focusing on.

> "use the NF (NoFail) mod, or play MORE 4* maps."
this is bad advice.. it will lead to bad habits. failing on a map is usually an indicator of you not being ready for that difficulty.
I actually have no issue with those, its more longer jumps (I either undershoot or my mouse leaves slightly too early), unusual 2 finger tempos, like the drum quintuplets found in Bad Apple, and what I'd like to call microsliders, though I'm not sure if that is the proper term, it is where a slider takes place of a normal note with the end being silent, usually designed to kill your health if missed, usually with 2 in very quick succession, they just throw me off. Every time I miss it is usually on a jump or a weird tempo. Also for some reason I can perform better on my first attempt than my next consecutive 2 or 3 attempts on some songs, I don't know what that is about.

I know NoFail will get me nowhere btw, the health system is intended to gauge your ability to play, but some people make it way too harsh, again i've literally seen a 3* insane that has HP drain 6, and on that even with straight 300s you cannot regain a single bit of health.
Lilyn
825 posts
Joined September 2020
Lilyn

thearcticdivin2 wrote:

Lilyn

Lilyn wrote:

hii 5 digit here.

practice tapping with 2 fingers on these:
picture

and any variation of it. if you can't do this almost perfectly, you can't move to 4*.

these patterns are available in most 3 star maps, which is the ones you should be focusing on.

> "use the NF (NoFail) mod, or play MORE 4* maps."
this is bad advice.. it will lead to bad habits. failing on a map is usually an indicator of you not being ready for that difficulty.

I actually have no issue with those, its more longer jumps (I either undershoot or my mouse leaves slightly too early), unusual 2 finger tempos, like the drum quintuplets found in Bad Apple, and what I'd like to call microsliders, though I'm not sure if that is the proper term, it is where a slider takes place of a normal note with the end being silent, usually designed to kill your health if missed, usually with 2 in very quick succession, they just throw me off. Every time I miss it is usually on a jump or a weird tempo. Also for some reason I can perform better on my first attempt than my next consecutive 2 or 3 attempts on some songs, I don't know what that is about.

I know NoFail will get me nowhere btw, the health system is intended to gauge your ability to play, but some people make it way too harsh, again i've literally seen a 3* insane that has HP drain 6, and on that even with straight 300s you cannot regain a single bit of health.
Ooh, well that's good.

For the microsliders, try your best to treat them like a circle.

> ... I can perform better on my first attempt than my next consecutive 2 or 3 attempts on some songs, I don't know what that is about.
Sightreads are usually a better play than retries, so you don't need to worry about it.
> ... its more longer jumps
..Play more aim maps. I'm sorry for such a generic answer but it's the best you can do with your skill level.
You could fix your hand position and sitting position. Those can affect how your aim and tapping hand.
> ... the drum quintuplets found in Bad Apple
I feel like this is more on finger control and how you perceive rhythm. Play more of the basic 4/4 rhythms before improving this.
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