Thank :3Sakura Hana wrote:
[Storyboard]
Lots of lyrics have unnecessary transparencies on the right side like (and specially) Lyrics-ad.png the transparency in png do not occupie much space (all i can save is some Kbs and if i do modify it, i should redo all the SB)
[Hard]
00:04:963 (3) - Hard to tell slider is slower, considering the speed the other sliders were going at, i dont see the problem with making it 0.75x instead and making it longer.
Nice map, nice song, i wish you good luck getting this ranked.
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Kawada Mami - See visionS
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Topic Starter
Thanks, and it's following the lower bass, if you keep an hear on itSakura Hana wrote:
[Mok's visionS]
I'm quite impressed your mapping has improved a lot however
00:01:487 (2,3) - I cant tell what these notes are following and hence i keep hitting 100 here.
The expression is "keep an ear on it".Mok wrote:
Thanks, and it's following the lower bass, if you keep an hear on it
http://puu.sh/2ClD
This is the bass rhythm (I left out some notes in the 2nd measure), but 3 is slurred into 4, making the definition of a note actually being at 4 questionable at best, and since 5 and 6 are the same note as 4, it's very difficult to hear.
Trying to map the bass and the vocals at the same time, picking and choosing which notes to map is a guarantee for confusion. Personally I would have used a slider if I had mapped it at all, as sliders don't need perfect accuracy. It really does seem like you're not listening to the song when you're mapping, just placing notes where you think they would make an interesting rhythm or provide symmetry.
Sorry if this is a rhytmical game, where you do something rhytmical to a song, not just copy the pattern the songs give us. I do not think i am an experienced mapper, and maybe my mapping style is not perfect; but i'm pretty sure that listen to everything a song can give, is the right way, and i'm doing it.
Topic Starter
Made NoVideo .osb size go down from 7,2 Mb to 5,6 Mb by Compressing and Optimizing the Skin plus SB
Yes, this is what makes a beatmap good. If you don't use the patterns from the music, you can just find any old song with identical BPM and use that too.Mok wrote:
just copy the pattern the songs give us.
http://puu.sh/2I0U
Hi~
This map is so good, it's hard to find anything.
Easy
01:15:207 (4) - new combo should begin here, not on (1) (so it is in rythm)
Hard
01:06:426 (2) - new combo should begin here, not on (1)
Nice one! Obv. star
This map is so good, it's hard to find anything.
Easy
01:15:207 (4) - new combo should begin here, not on (1) (so it is in rythm)
Hard
01:06:426 (2) - new combo should begin here, not on (1)
Nice one! Obv. star
Topic Starter
i NC on Lyrics, cesc followed more graphic, so nothing followed
Rechecking~
I still can barely hear hitsounds on Taiko (specially the katsus)
Also i have a recommendation for next time... dont put the lyrics at the bottom because combo fire will appear on top of them.
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.
I'd say comboburst-0.png is a slightly suggestive.
[Hard]
00:04:963 (3) - You didnt fix this D:
00:36:243 (3) - I cant see the repeat, due to spinner.
@Mok: Yeah, its the right thing to do.... when its intuitive, since changing instruments all the time wont make something intuitive, will just create confusion, and the fact that those notes are very hard to 300, shows how "intuitive" they are, just remember you must map with the song in mind, i want to hit 100s because i missed the timing, not because i was playing the guessing game with the timing.
I still can barely hear hitsounds on Taiko (specially the katsus)
Also i have a recommendation for next time... dont put the lyrics at the bottom because combo fire will appear on top of them.
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.
I'd say comboburst-0.png is a slightly suggestive.
[Hard]
00:04:963 (3) - You didnt fix this D:
00:36:243 (3) - I cant see the repeat, due to spinner.
@Mok: Yeah, its the right thing to do.... when its intuitive, since changing instruments all the time wont make something intuitive, will just create confusion, and the fact that those notes are very hard to 300, shows how "intuitive" they are, just remember you must map with the song in mind, i want to hit 100s because i missed the timing, not because i was playing the guessing game with the timing.
Just fyi, all of these have been ranked before. And these have more area to them than a combo burst which is just a small 300 or something.Sakura Hana wrote:
Also i have a recommendation for next time... dont put the lyrics at the bottom because combo fire will appear on top of them.
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.
I'd say comboburst-0.png is a slightly suggestive.
Also, who plays with combo fire on and reads the lyrics at the same time?
Topic Starter
I still can barely hear hitsounds on Taiko (specially the katsus)will say it too Shalon and see if i can simply make hitsoud volume higher ( EDIT: Wait, they're at 100% and i can hear them >.<)
Also i have a recommendation for next time... dont put the lyrics at the bottom because combo fire will appear on top of them.I don't use comboburst, and I don't wanted lyrics to be covered by the circles or some other element. Since many don't use Combo Fire it's best to put them at bottom
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.What? That actually make Template Skin so unrankable >.<, if you refer to the rule of the transparency it's in fact only for larger SB images that have much trasparency and do have an high SB Load.
I'd say comboburst-0.png is a slightly suggestive.Suggestive, but rather covered;
[Hard]
00:04:963 (3) - You didnt fix this D:I could had uploaded the wrong version that time, gomen
00:36:243 (3) - I cant see the repeat, due to spinner.was partially covered, actually by the "Clear", and was rather intuitive too in that point ( for this i didn't see that ), but ok :3
Dear Sakura, isn't the "guessing game" with osu! Is just use every bit you can hear of a song, we can call it like an orchestral game, you just need to let every beat sound!
I dont mind them at all, it was a recommendation.HakuNoKaemi wrote:
Also i have a recommendation for next time... dont put the lyrics at the bottom because combo fire will appear on top of them.I don't use comboburst, and I don't wanted lyrics to be covered by the circles or some other element. Since many don't use Combo Fire it's best to put them at bottom
Template skin doesnt have that many transparencies, in fact its pretty solid, your hitbursts have transparencies in the center of them, this is also the reason why ztrot had to stop using his most famous skin, i'm sorry but AT LEAST hit100.png and hit300.png have to go from here and possibly hit0.png and hit50.png tooHakuNoKaemi wrote:
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.What? That actually make Template Skin so unrankable >.<, if you refer to the rule of the transparency it's in fact only for larger SB images that have much trasparency and do have an high SB Load.
@ziin: "This map did it so my map's fine" excuse doesn't work with me
Edit:
Woops just saw this:
With Taiko skin, soft sampleset is WAY lower than Normal sampleset (even tho the hitsounds themselves are the same ._.) i'd say this is easily fixed by using Normal sampleset rather than increasing volume, after using Normal sampleset it's easier to adjust hitsound volume from there.HakuNoKaemi wrote:
I still can barely hear hitsounds on Taiko (specially the katsus)will say it too Shalon and see if i can simply make hitsoud volume higher ( EDIT: Wait, they're at 100% and i can hear them >.<)
This is not my business, but...
Ah well.
Good luck on getting that ranked, HakuNoKaemi ! (I tried alt-tabbing your name - ,- ) I had a quick look at the map and I liked what I saw.
There's a difference between what you hear and what can be heard. When you're playing, you don't really have time to focus on the background sounds and try to find some 1/2 or 1/4 beats that would justify a pattern that surprised you. Mapping to background sounds that are covered by the main melody is confusing.Mok wrote:
Dear Sakura, isn't the "guessing game" with osu! Is just use every bit you can hear of a song, we can call it like an orchestral game, you just need to let every beat sound!
Just adding my two cents on that: mostly transparent hitbursts are confusing. When playing you don't have time to look at hitbursts carefully to see whether it is a 300, a 100 or a 50 (which is why hitbursts have very different colours...). If the hitburst is too small, it won't be easy to see, and it might lead to rhythms being confusing (some people - like me - base the timing on what hitburst they got... 100 or 50 meaning that the timing needs to be readjusted).Sakura Hana wrote:
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.
Just because it was done before means it's acceptable now ?ziin wrote:
Just fyi, all of these have been ranked before. And these have more area to them than a combo burst which is just a small 300 or something.Sakura Hana wrote:
Also i have a recommendation for next time... dont put the lyrics at the bottom because combo fire will appear on top of them.
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.
I'd say comboburst-0.png is a slightly suggestive.
Ah well.
Good luck on getting that ranked, HakuNoKaemi ! (I tried alt-tabbing your name - ,- ) I had a quick look at the map and I liked what I saw.
Topic Starter
Template skin doesnt have that many transparencies, in fact its pretty solid, your hitbursts have transparencies in the center of them, this is also the reason why ztrot had to stop using his most famous skin, i'm sorry but AT LEAST hit100.png and hit300.png have to go from here and possibly hit0.png and hit50.png too[/quote]HakuNoKaemi wrote:
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.What? That actually make Template Skin so unrankable >.<, if you refer to the rule of the transparency it's in fact only for larger SB images that have much trasparency and do have an high SB Load.
Well, i don't see something like this in the New Rules neither in the Old Guideline... therefore i don't even know why there is a rule like this.
Well:
-it's not confusive
-it's not unnecessary trasparency that make Graphic Card work more
-it's not larger than the template
-i don't think that rules was ever applied since many time
-probably misjudged some other rule
-it's not breaking the new rules
It's a gameplay element, and gameplay elements must be fully visible, not have a hole in the middle.
I think everyone should open their hears before their eyes, and listen carefully how beautiful music is. Then nerd options as "i cannot think of the music, just continue clicking".
Topic Starter
misjudged rules.Sakura Hana wrote:
It's a gameplay element, and gameplay elements must be fully visible, not have a hole in the middle.
Basically it means it shouldn't be fully trasparent in the sense that it shouldn't be an "empty" image ( like with silenced hitsounds )
this is an unrankable hitburst opened in photoshop
Although that is unrankable as well, yours are unrankable too, as i mentioned earlier.
I didnt even know about this until some months ago, and got reminded by ouran when ztrot told him that kind of skinning was unrankable as well a week or so ago.
Hitbursts must not have any large transparencies (see-through), this rule applies specially if the hitburst would allow "hidden" slider repeats to be shown, if you still dont get why it's unrankable i can get other people here to tell you since it seems i have failed at communicating the information to you.
I didnt even know about this until some months ago, and got reminded by ouran when ztrot told him that kind of skinning was unrankable as well a week or so ago.
Hitbursts must not have any large transparencies (see-through), this rule applies specially if the hitburst would allow "hidden" slider repeats to be shown, if you still dont get why it's unrankable i can get other people here to tell you since it seems i have failed at communicating the information to you.
Lol you guys make me laugh.
You're throwing the worst bunch of excuses for something that's colorful enough and easy to see by saying "it's unrankable" and the only explanation you give is a "the rule says so".
A rule that doesn't even exist.
They're visible so there's no reason to ban them.
If you have to ban something by using unexsiting rules, please don't and start being reasonable when you mod maps instead of searching for issues that do not exist.
You guys just make me wanna quit this game.
Wow this is quite an accomplishment.
You're throwing the worst bunch of excuses for something that's colorful enough and easy to see by saying "it's unrankable" and the only explanation you give is a "the rule says so".
A rule that doesn't even exist.
Use your head.Sakura Hana wrote:
Also i just remembered, hitbursts with too much transparency are unrankable.
They're visible so there's no reason to ban them.
If you have to ban something by using unexsiting rules, please don't and start being reasonable when you mod maps instead of searching for issues that do not exist.
You guys just make me wanna quit this game.
You are basically saying that some great mappers (darrihuka, Al-Azif) suck because they do this.Odaril wrote:
Mapping to background sounds that are covered by the main melody is confusing.
Wow this is quite an accomplishment.
Well, it was ztrot and some others that told me about it, that you can't have so many transparencies on hitbursts and that's why he was asked to stop using the skin he was using, i'm not sure how that makes you laugh really, if i've been misinformed for months about it by at least 3 BATs not including ztrot then can you please explain to me what's the cause of this misinformation?
As far as i remember, the main problem with ztrot's skin was not the amount of transparency, but the fact that the objects were too small and with no enough amount of opacity to be seen correctly.
It's not the same case in here: the shape and the colours are well refined and easy enough to track with the eye so i don't see any valid reason to say "it's unrankable because there's too much transparency", unless someone can give me a good explanation gameplay-wise.
It's not the same case in here: the shape and the colours are well refined and easy enough to track with the eye so i don't see any valid reason to say "it's unrankable because there's too much transparency", unless someone can give me a good explanation gameplay-wise.
I have asked around and the general opinion seems to be these hitbursts are not unrankable as long as they are clearly noticable from each other, they don't break the template hitburst dimensions, and the 100/300 etc are large enough to be seen while playing. All of these are fine here so there is nothing saying they are stirctly unrankable (maybe needs to be talked about more with NewRules?) However make sure that none of the repeats around the map are going to be hidden if this skin is deleted.
I personally think they are unnecessary and could be done in a better way but they do not impair gameplay in any way so ~
(I might try and get a final opinion from peppy on this though)
I personally think they are unnecessary and could be done in a better way but they do not impair gameplay in any way so ~
(I might try and get a final opinion from peppy on this though)
Ok, if that is the case i sincerely apologize for the trouble, if James is waiting on a peppy answer i rather wait on that tho, i'll recheck this when i get back home, and once again, sorry for the trouble but i had to get that cleared up since i dont wanna be bubbling something that's not allowed.
Sakura Hana wrote:
if James is waiting on a peppy answer i rather wait on that tho
SPOILER
[13:48] James2250|irc hey ppy seeing as some BATs disagree on this would you allow these hitbursts to be ranked based on the amount of transparancy they have? http://puu.sh/3gqG
[13:49] ppy are they white inside?
[13:49] ppy can't tell transparency from that ss
[13:50] James2250|irc no, everything inside is transparent
[13:50] ppy as long as they are sized similar to defaults i don't see a huge problem
[13:50] James2250|irc kk that is what most people are saying, thanks~
[13:51] ztrot the 100 300G should have a image inside them imo
[13:51] ztrot they look bare compared to the rest of the set
[13:51] James2250|irc yeah I kind of figured that too..
[13:49] ppy are they white inside?
[13:49] ppy can't tell transparency from that ss
[13:50] James2250|irc no, everything inside is transparent
[13:50] ppy as long as they are sized similar to defaults i don't see a huge problem
[13:50] James2250|irc kk that is what most people are saying, thanks~
[13:51] ztrot the 100 300G should have a image inside them imo
[13:51] ztrot they look bare compared to the rest of the set
[13:51] James2250|irc yeah I kind of figured that too..
So yes they are rankable but I would consider ztrot's idea as well or else they kind of look strange as a set with a few of them being so blank
Isn't that what i said on the second post ._. except that i thought they werent rankable otherwise... anyways, ill just let the mapper decide then.
And for god sakes Mok, will you ever fix those notes that sound off D: *me runs*
And for god sakes Mok, will you ever fix those notes that sound off D: *me runs*
Topic Starter
could just write something on to the hitbursts. Maybe "Cool" and "Fine".. or it's better to insert images on them to? ( probably Last order and Kazakiri Hyouka .. )
Good! I'm glad, but all I said was "fyi" (for your information). I didn't really like the hitbursts when they were ranked first. You could also make an argument for "continuity" or something like that, but we've already changed the skin pretty significantly since no buts.Sakura Hana wrote:
"This map did it so my map's fine" excuse doesn't work with me
I do not like how the 50 and 0 look nearly identical. I think a bigger 100 and 300 in the 100.png and 300.png would be nicer. Putting images into the 100 and 300.pngs would be confusing, as the images means its the end of a combo.
This ztrot's unrankable hitburst, right?
If anything, I find the default hitbursts too big. A lot of players go and make their own skin with a completely transparent 300. Personally I cropped out the "burst" on the default and left the numbers.
The colors in the map are all significantly different from the hitbursts (except the red 0 and 50, but even then they're a more saturated red) and can be seen clearly.
Do you think there would be a problem if the skin files were removed and placed in skin, haku? Make an osk or something, or make a skin thread with "Haku's raildex". The only reason not to do this IMO is if you want to force people to use your skin unedited. I presume you are going to want to make more raildex maps right? If so, you can continuously update the skin. You can't do that with a beatmap specific.
Topic Starter
Well, it's true that putting an image in all hitburst make it confusive, therefore I'll simply make numbers bigger as ziin said.
Do you think there would be a problem if the skin files were removed and placed in skin, haku? Make an osk or something, or make a skin thread with "Haku's raildex". The only reason not to do this IMO is if you want to force people to use your skin unedited. I presume you are going to want to make more raildex maps right? If so, you can continuously update the skin. You can't do that with a beatmap specific.Thank for the idea. Will see if i will make it after (or before) i rank this. (Should start reading Skinning Guides)
Mod by Haku’s request
Index is moe ;D
Just let you guys know I’ll nazi a bit.
Don’t kds me if you think this is not useful.
[General]
-Kiai should start exactly at 01:00:572 and end at 01:26:914 -
[cesc’s Easy]
01:12:646 (1) – stack this perfectly
01:18:133 (1) - ^
Rest seems fine to me.
[Mok’s visionS]
00:01:487 (2) – stack this perfectly
00:08:987 (3) – this doesn’t fit in the music, remove 1 repeat: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117122, this just a suggestion.
00:32:036 – just wondering why this part is blank … at least do something like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117127, I changed a green line (00:35:322) to soft and added finish on the spinner.
00:47:402 – add a note? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117130
00:59:109 – is blank again … orz http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117133
[Normal]
[Hard]
-Small note ;D
00:05:877 (4) – stack this perfectly
00:16:670 – probably add a slider or spinner from 00:16:670 to 00:17:768
00:55:999 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) – make them curvier, 3 is weird right now imo
01:16:487 (3) – stack this perfectly
01:19:231 (4) - ^
Not many problem found, nice diff
[Nekoo’s Insane]
-Small note too ;D
Star ;DD
Edit: My eyes suck, so I like big notes better
(imo)
Index is moe ;D
Just let you guys know I’ll nazi a bit.
Don’t kds me if you think this is not useful.
[General]
-Kiai should start exactly at 01:00:572 and end at 01:26:914 -
[cesc’s Easy]
01:12:646 (1) – stack this perfectly
01:18:133 (1) - ^
Rest seems fine to me.
[Mok’s visionS]
00:01:487 (2) – stack this perfectly
00:08:987 (3) – this doesn’t fit in the music, remove 1 repeat: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117122, this just a suggestion.
00:32:036 – just wondering why this part is blank … at least do something like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117127, I changed a green line (00:35:322) to soft and added finish on the spinner.
00:47:402 – add a note? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117130
00:59:109 – is blank again … orz http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/117133
[Normal]
Some Nazi
This diff seems fine too.00:03:499 (6) – stack this perfectly
00:25:816 (4) - ^, and the slider after need to move a little too
00:28:743 (4) - ^
00:31:670 (4) - ^
00:42:829 (4) - ^
00:49:048 (6) - ^
00:51:975 (6) - ^
00:25:816 (4) - ^, and the slider after need to move a little too
00:28:743 (4) - ^
00:31:670 (4) - ^
00:42:829 (4) - ^
00:49:048 (6) - ^
00:51:975 (6) - ^
[Hard]
-Small note ;D
00:05:877 (4) – stack this perfectly
00:16:670 – probably add a slider or spinner from 00:16:670 to 00:17:768
00:55:999 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) – make them curvier, 3 is weird right now imo
01:16:487 (3) – stack this perfectly
01:19:231 (4) - ^
Not many problem found, nice diff
[Nekoo’s Insane]
-Small note too ;D
Some Nazi Again
Nice insane00:07:707 (4) – stack this perfectly
00:08:438 (6) - ^
00:25:085 (6) - ^
00:39:902 (4) - ^
00:41:365 (4) - ^
00:43:926 (8) - ^
01:10:451 (5) - ^
00:08:438 (6) - ^
00:25:085 (6) - ^
00:39:902 (4) - ^
00:41:365 (4) - ^
00:43:926 (8) - ^
01:10:451 (5) - ^
Star ;DD
Edit: My eyes suck, so I like big notes better
(imo)
Topic Starter
00:16:670 – probably add a slider or spinner from 00:16:670 to 00:17:768 following voice, so is normalCorrect some Stacking too, only where spacing was >=0.3 and moved kiai sections
00:55:999 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) – make them curvier, 3 is weird right now imo
Notes are not small, it's just that people now generally map with CS 3 or 4, sometime 5 and rarely, really, 6. So you find CS 5 little. ( CS 5 is actually Normal )
Wow, that's what I call nazi! =D
Well fixed everything but 00:08:438 (6) -, cause it was already stacked properly >.<
Woopi woo o/
Download: Kawada Mami - See visionS (TV Size) (HakuNoKaemi) [Nekoo's Insane].osu
Well fixed everything but 00:08:438 (6) -, cause it was already stacked properly >.<
Woopi woo o/
Download: Kawada Mami - See visionS (TV Size) (HakuNoKaemi) [Nekoo's Insane].osu
Oh hi again!
[General]
SB/Lyrics-bd.png is not used anywhere
[Shalon's Taiko]
Why are you using circle size small? ._.
[Hard]
00:04:963 (3) - Slider start and end are overlapping.
00:36:243 (3) - slider repeat covered by spinnerosu (the skin thingy) http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/122059 see
Ok that wasnt much, lol
[General]
SB/Lyrics-bd.png is not used anywhere
[Shalon's Taiko]
Why are you using circle size small? ._.
[Hard]
00:04:963 (3) - Slider start and end are overlapping.
00:36:243 (3) - slider repeat covered by spinnerosu (the skin thingy) http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/122059 see
Ok that wasnt much, lol
Topic Starter
Sakura Hana wrote:
Oh hi again!
[General]
SB/Lyrics-bd.png is not used anywhere Deleted
[Hard]
00:04:963 (3) - Slider start and end are overlapping.Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end. Sliders which overlap themselves in a way that makes any section unreadable or ambiguous (including "burai sliders") cannot be used. This is so that no slider has an appearance that is confusing or impossible for the player to read. Additionally, the slider borders must never be covered up from the slider being packed in too tightly. However, sliders that cross over themselves are fine as long as the borders are clearly visible.Well it says "path" and the slider is actually followable from start to end, because of the slighty distance. Like this it's actually unrankable
00:36:243 (3) - slider repeat covered by spinnerosu (the skin thingy) http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/122059 see as i was there, i made placement better
Ok that wasnt much, lol
When you cant distinguish easily which is the slider start and end it's unrankable, i'd recommend separating the start and end moreHakuNoKaemi wrote:
Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end. Sliders which overlap themselves in a way that makes any section unreadable or ambiguous (including "burai sliders") cannot be used. This is so that no slider has an appearance that is confusing or impossible for the player to read. Additionally, the slider borders must never be covered up from the slider being packed in too tightly. However, sliders that cross over themselves are fine as long as the borders are clearly visible.Well it says "path" and the slider is actually followable from start to end, because of the slighty distance. Like this it's actually unrankable
Topic Starter
it's actually perfectly rankable as now, as start and end are easily distinguished
i had arleady asked osuplayer11 if I could use it, and i used it
plus it wouldn't be nice and roundy like now
i had arleady asked osuplayer11 if I could use it, and i used it
plus it wouldn't be nice and roundy like now