Voidedosu wrote:

>Play for SS's at the beginning.
>PLay for SS's through 2* to 4* and all my major milestones
> Still play for SS's to the current day?

idk, I think I veered hard into the wrong lane that went about 270 degrees away and 50 degrees down from everyone else, so.

Uses default skin.
Doesn't even hide background.
Uses mouse.
Doesn't care about score and uses spun-out in top plays.
4+ minute maps in top plays.
1k+ hours on record.
Chad.

Being ranked 140k with this playstyle is 'a lot' more impressive than someone farming pp overweighted jump maps in 60k.

Asothin wrote:

Voidedosu wrote:

>Play for SS's at the beginning.
>PLay for SS's through 2* to 4* and all my major milestones
> Still play for SS's to the current day?

idk, I think I veered hard into the wrong lane that went about 270 degrees away and 50 degrees down from everyone else, so.

Uses default skin.
Doesn't even hide background.
Uses mouse.
Doesn't care about score and uses spun-out in top plays.
4+ minute maps in top plays.
1k+ hours on record.
Chad.

Being ranked 140k with this playstyle is 'a lot' more impressive than someone farming pp overweighted jump maps in 60k.

It's impressive because of the dedication. Only because of the dedication

Anaxii wrote:

It's impressive because of the dedication. Only because of the dedication

Way to undermine his achievement. If you watched ANY of his replays you would also know that he close to full alternates all of his plays. If you ever tried to alternate you would know getting high accuracy is considerably harder, and he only goes for SS.

Dedication doesn't even cover it. 'Only' is the last word I should expect to see before dedication of this magnitude. It is a culmination of 1,300 hours worth of playing in this style, and all you can say is that he's dedicated. Good grief.

Acc being harder on full alt is a myth.
Source: I'm full alt. Best acc player among my friends was also full alt.
But yeah, never underestimate the consistency of SS players. They actually know how to play the game.

/edit: On basically everything they can play, they'll play better than you. Personally I have an oddball skillset so there were maps where I was able to consistently get better scores than SS players of similar skill but it was a rather small subset.

Asothin wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

It's impressive because of the dedication. Only because of the dedication

Way to undermine his achievement. If you watched ANY of his replays you would also know that he close to full alternates all of his plays. If you ever tried to alternate you would know getting high accuracy is considerably harder, and he only goes for SS.

Dedication doesn't even cover it. 'Only' is the last word I should expect to see before dedication of this magnitude. It is a culmination of 1,300 hours worth of playing in this style, and all you can say is that he's dedicated. Good grief.

I alternate. I don't really see how it's "harder" since it's easier for me to alt.

But otherwise, I agree that Void is just crazy good.

I can only ss maps accidentally, even 2 or 3 stars I don't have enough patience and nerve control to try and ss on purpose. Voided is a 140k who can do something 10x better than a 13k ;----;

Endaris wrote:

Acc being harder on full alt is a myth.
Source: I'm full alt. Best acc player among my friends was also full alt.

*clarification
I played both styles. Started with single tapping. Transitioned into hybrid. The learning curve to alt accurately is a lot longer than single tap. I did not mean the end result.

Well yes, that's your "fault" for starting as a single tapper and then going into hybrid.
You're going to spend more time battling your habits there than someone who opted to go full alt from the very beginning.
I think if you start full alt it is not harder to learn that single tapping at all.
Sure, at first it seems a lot harder and slower but once you start having 1/4 patterns in every map, you are already perfectly prepared as a full alt starter while singletap starters mostly crash hard into a previously unknown brickwall of undeveloped tap hand skills.

well, I alt, but without any specific pattern lol I just use any fingers that I feel like it


anyways nowadays I don't really care about ranking up or practicing specific playstyles I'm just here to have fun as I improve (slowly)

Endaris wrote:

Well yes, that's your "fault" for starting as a single tapper and then going into hybrid.
You're going to spend more time battling your habits there than someone who opted to go full alt from the very beginning.

Never had problems with 'habits'. Plenty of people who use both styles reported an accuracy drop when alting.

Lifeline (currently rank 2) one of the fastest improving players known for his single tapping. I have not seen this rate of improvement on someone who full alted from the beginning. Unless you know of any examples, alt appears to be objectively harder to improve with. You should be proud.

>opens thread
>greentext

you already know

What's even the point of this thread

Anaxii wrote:

What's even the point of this thread

greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guess

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

What's even the point of this thread

greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guess

Nah, it's for him to farm post count.

Endaris wrote:

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

What's even the point of this thread

greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guess

Nah, it's for him to farm post count.

smh, post farmers these days

Asothin wrote:

Endaris wrote:

Well yes, that's your "fault" for starting as a single tapper and then going into hybrid.
You're going to spend more time battling your habits there than someone who opted to go full alt from the very beginning.

Never had problems with 'habits'. Plenty of people who use both styles reported an accuracy drop when alting.

Lifeline (currently rank 2) one of the fastest improving players known for his single tapping. I have not seen this rate of improvement on someone who full alted from the beginning. Unless you know of any examples, alt appears to be objectively harder to improve with. You should be proud.

I alted 290 hours into 13k, and i dont really feel proud of this. LIfeline was a one in a million single tapper, while everyone else regularly alts especially for streams. I dont really see why it matters which technique you start out with, since most top players end up alting in end, or using both techniques. Very rare few end up single tapping into the top 100.

Also, I still don't get where you're getting these results of people getting worse acc on alt. People who started off using alt has great acc when alting, while single tappers have great acc while single tapping. In the end, it doesn't matter how you started playing, but in the long run, both are essential, although alternating is more essential than single tapping due to streams.

UPR wrote:

Endaris wrote:

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

What's even the point of this thread

greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guess

Nah, it's for him to farm post count.

smh, post farmers these days

Touch grass.

Ofc, it is a parody post. Except Anaxii couldn't help but make it personal bringing up my rank history. I retorted back with a new top play the next day to prove a point and get accused of deranking (both instances were off topic mind you). And you consider this small amount of banter "aggro"? Terminally online clown brigade came to police a 'for fun thread'.

On Topic
To spell it out. The post is meant to be a parody of generic advice. I stand by what I said. Practicing on low star maps to improve fundamentals is a trap. Not only is it not fun, I question whether it is even effective. Agree, disagree, fine by me. It's what forums are for.

reactaleu wrote:

I dont really see why it matters which technique you start out with, since most top players end up alting in end, or using both techniques. Very rare few end up single tapping into the top 100.

Agreed. Not disputing this at all. My comment was on the rate of improvement.

reactaleu wrote:

Also, I still don't get where you're getting these results of people getting worse acc on alt. People who started off using alt has great acc when alting, while single tappers have great acc while single tapping.

Fair enough mate. It's anecdotal either way. Only way to objectively verify accuracy would likely be to pull data on the unstable rate based on playtime & style of play. Beyond the scope of this thread.

reactaleu wrote:

In the end, it doesn't matter how you started playing, but in the long run, both are essential, although alternating is more essential than single tapping due to streams.

I want to stress I was specifically referring to full/hybrid alt. I don't just mean bursts or streams, but also high bpm (240+) jumps and 1/2 rhythm notes as well (using alt to FC certain parts vs alting the whole map). Only reason I used Lifeline as an example is to draw a parallel to his rate of improvement suggesting it could be linked to his playstyle, where he opts to single tap high bpm jumps over alting. The story seems to be similar for others who also had great rates of improvement (favoring fast single taps and alting on streams and bursts). No doubt there will be a handful of outliers.

Not questioning how essential it is in the long run. (Afaik) Lifeline also branched out his skillset to do tourneys after all, and like you said most people in the top ranks picked it up eventually.

Asothin wrote:

UPR wrote:

Endaris wrote:

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

What's even the point of this thread

greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guess

Nah, it's for him to farm post count.

smh, post farmers these days

Touch grass.

Ofc, it is a parody post. Except Anaxii couldn't help but make it personal bringing up my rank history. I retorted back with a new top play the next day to prove a point and get accused of deranking (both instances were off topic mind you). And you consider this small amount of banter "aggro"? Terminally online clown brigade came to police a 'for fun thread'.

On Topic
To spell it out. The post is meant to be a parody of generic advice. I stand by what I said. Practicing on low star maps to improve fundamentals is a trap. Not only is it not fun, I question whether it is even effective. Agree, disagree, fine by me. It's what forums are for.

reactaleu wrote:

I dont really see why it matters which technique you start out with, since most top players end up alting in end, or using both techniques. Very rare few end up single tapping into the top 100.

Agreed. Not disputing this at all. My comment was on the rate of improvement.

reactaleu wrote:

Also, I still don't get where you're getting these results of people getting worse acc on alt. People who started off using alt has great acc when alting, while single tappers have great acc while single tapping.

Fair enough mate. It's anecdotal either way. Only way to objectively verify accuracy would likely be to pull data on the unstable rate based on playtime & style of play. Beyond the scope of this thread.

reactaleu wrote:

In the end, it doesn't matter how you started playing, but in the long run, both are essential, although alternating is more essential than single tapping due to streams.

I want to stress I was specifically referring to full/hybrid alt. I don't just mean bursts or streams, but also high bpm (240+) jumps and 1/2 rhythm notes as well (using alt to FC certain parts vs alting the whole map). Only reason I used Lifeline as an example is to draw a parallel to his rate of improvement suggesting it could be linked to his playstyle, where he opts to single tap high bpm jumps over alting. The story seems to be similar for others who also had great rates of improvement (favoring fast single taps and alting on streams and bursts). No doubt there will be a handful of outliers.

Not questioning how essential it is in the long run. (Afaik) Lifeline also branched out his skillset to do tourneys after all, and like you said most people in the top ranks picked it up eventually.

I do touch grass, the texture is rough

On a not joking manner, fair enough

Using hardrock on low star maps is not generic advice for improving fundamentals, its usually not recommended because it makes the approach rate higher, which diminishes much of the benefit you're looking for in the first place (to your rhythm sense, patience, and individual note focus). Your accuracy seems to be okay and you're not exactly a beginner, I doubt that you're in a position to benefit from low star maps unless you have an overly reactionary way of reading.

There are different ways to improve, if something doesn't work for you after giving it enough time (not just a day) and seeking feedback, simply find another way.

UPR wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

What's even the point of this thread

greentext parody and sometimes aggro on someone for opinion I would guess

I didn't know that G&R was slowly turning into Off-Topic

Anaxii wrote:

I didn't know that G&R was slowly turning into Off-Topic

With your help? I think it's possible.

Asothin wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

I didn't know that G&R was slowly turning into Off-Topic

With your help? I think it's possible.

OH NONONO PLEASE-

Asothin wrote:

>spend whole day practicing hardrock on low star maps to improve "fUnDaMeNtAlS"
>acquire note-lock on my usual maps
>spend the entire evening unfucking my brain
>has_idea.jpg
>stops thinking
> ?
>profit

In conclusion, practice is stupid.

You are practicing fundamentals wrong.

If you note lock on certain maps then play simpler maps with the specific fundamental patterns you struggle with. Don't use HR...

If you are bored you are doing it wrong and you will learn nothing

Fxjlk wrote:

You are practicing fundamentals wrong.

If you note lock on certain maps then play simpler maps with the specific fundamental patterns you struggle with. Don't use HR...

If you are bored you are doing it wrong and you will learn nothing

Note lock – only after – practicing simple maps. I see no benefit in playing any simple maps. Fundamentals improve on their own with play. My time is better spent learning more complex patterns and building up stamina on maps I actually enjoy.

On a side note. AR10 is not something I struggle with. I played HR for the smaller CS.

Asothin wrote:

>acquire note-lock on my usual maps

Sounds like you are not fully reading your usual maps. You practice actually reading the circles and then when you switch back, you try to fully read but your reading is too slow and it causes note lock.

Asothin wrote:

Fundamentals improve on their own with play.

If you play unconsciously they will not improve very quickly. You will play on autopilot and fall into old habits and your fundamentals will barely change. The whole point of the fundamentals/low star maps is to be fully aware of your reading and movements. You can see what you are doing wrong with complete clarity and correct it. Its very difficult do this while playing at your skill cap.

The correct speed to practice is at the speed/difficulty when mistakes are just appearing. Play consciously at this speed/difficulty and you can fix your reading and technique the fastest.

Fxjlk wrote:

Sounds like you are not fully reading your usual maps. You practice actually reading the circles and then when you switch back, you try to fully read but your reading is too slow and it causes note lock.

I can read them just fine.

Fxjlk wrote:

If you play unconsciously they will not improve very quickly. You will play on autopilot and fall into old habits and your fundamentals will barely change. The whole point of the fundamentals/low star maps is to be fully aware of your reading and movements. You can see what you are doing wrong with complete clarity and correct it. Its very difficult do this while playing at your skill cap.

The correct speed to practice is at the speed/difficulty when mistakes are just appearing. Play consciously at this speed/difficulty and you can fix your reading and technique the fastest.

Just don't make bad habits. Playing close to skill cap requires greater focus. Very unlikely I'd end up playing on "autopilot" like you confidently claim. For one, it's harder not to overtap. And more complex patterns highlight areas where technique and reading are lacking very clearly (something lower star maps seldom have). Unless you are mashing through every hard part and struggle with doubles or triples I can't see the argument for playing those maps.

Asothin wrote:

Fxjlk wrote:

Sounds like you are not fully reading your usual maps. You practice actually reading the circles and then when you switch back, you try to fully read but your reading is too slow and it causes note lock.

I can read them just fine.

Fxjlk wrote:

If you play unconsciously they will not improve very quickly. You will play on autopilot and fall into old habits and your fundamentals will barely change. The whole point of the fundamentals/low star maps is to be fully aware of your reading and movements. You can see what you are doing wrong with complete clarity and correct it. Its very difficult do this while playing at your skill cap.

The correct speed to practice is at the speed/difficulty when mistakes are just appearing. Play consciously at this speed/difficulty and you can fix your reading and technique the fastest.

Just don't make bad habits. Playing close to skill cap requires greater focus. Very unlikely I'd end up playing on "autopilot" like you confidently claim. For one, it's harder not to overtap. And more complex patterns highlight areas where technique and reading are lacking very clearly (something lower star maps seldom have). Unless you are mashing through every hard part and struggle with doubles or triples I can't see the argument for playing those maps.

You're like the only person I've seen to deny fundamentals. You do realise, not being able to control your bpm is part of creating a bad habit right? most, if not all, pro players can control the rate of bpm their fingers are moving, and if you can't do simple ones because you're over tapping then you won't improve much.

Also,in regards to reading, try playing EZ.

Asothin wrote:

Just don't make bad habits.

Just don't make bad habits?

That's like saying just don't miss

Asothin wrote:

Playing close to skill cap requires greater focus.

Yes and that means you have less focus on how you are actually playing. The faster you go the less aware you are of your cursor, tapping and reading. It becomes more influenced by your muscle memory and you tend to play more like you have always played. The faster you go the less power you have to change your habits.

If you ever miss and you don't know why, its because you were not conscious.

reactaleu wrote:

You're like the only person I've seen to deny fundamentals. You do realise, not being able to control your bpm is part of creating a bad habit right? most, if not all, pro players can control the rate of bpm their fingers are moving, and if you can't do simple ones because you're over tapping then you won't improve much.

Also,in regards to reading, try playing EZ.

Over tapping as in hitting the keys too hard, not too fast. Not a fan of EZ. Different skillset.

I am not denying fundamentals. What I am saying, is that focusing on them is overstated as to how effective it is by comparison to just playing more. And in my specific case, it was actively detrimental.

Fxjlk wrote:

Just don't make bad habits?

That's like saying just don't miss

False equivalence fallacy. A mistake =/ bad habit. Mistakes can originate from bad habits but it could just as well be a matter of consistency.

Fxjlk wrote:

Yes and that means you have less focus on how you are actually playing. The faster you go the less aware you are of your cursor, tapping and reading. It becomes more influenced by your muscle memory and you tend to play more like you have always played. The faster you go the less power you have to change your habits.

If you ever miss and you don't know why, its because you were not conscious.

Muscle memory is tied to tapping speed, rhythm, precision and pattern recognition. Unless you commit a map or its elements to memory you still have to read each part.

I have not experienced the so called "missing and not knowing why". The reason is always clear. Whether its excessive tension, misreading a pattern, over or under shooting the distance I have to move my mouse, etc. I can clearly identify the mistake I made. If I can not spot by what margin I missed, it isn't because I'm not conscious (what???), it's because I didn't focus my eyes on the correct part of the screen. The reason why the miss occured is still clear.

I also personally play a lot of maps that require flow aim and alternation. I do not have the luxury to be 'less aware of my cursor, tapping and reading'.

Anaxii wrote:

HAHAHAHAS

Asothin wrote:

False equivalence fallacy. A mistake =/ bad habit. Mistakes can originate from bad habits but it could just as well be a matter of consistency.

How is it false equivalence? Its impossible to never develop bad habits in the same way its impossible to never miss.

Technique you learn initially may be fine for a while but it eventually becomes a habit you have to break

Asothin wrote:

it's because I didn't focus my eyes on the correct part of the screen. The reason why the miss occured is still clear.

If you lost focus and didn't see the mistake clearly then you are not conscious of the mistake. The reason you missed is not clear.

Enjoy the damn game people.

Asothin wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

It's impressive because of the dedication. Only because of the dedication

Way to undermine his achievement. If you watched ANY of his replays you would also know that he close to full alternates all of his plays. If you ever tried to alternate you would know getting high accuracy is considerably harder, and he only goes for SS.

Dedication doesn't even cover it. 'Only' is the last word I should expect to see before dedication of this magnitude. It is a culmination of 1,300 hours worth of playing in this style, and all you can say is that he's dedicated. Good grief.

I mean, Anaxii's kinda not wrong......

(also, I actually don't like using SO becacuse it cuts into the score, but I'm trying to get mod combos so I kinda have to include it if I want 100/100.)

Also also, I guess I kinda full-alt? I mean, I really only use it for particularly fast maps where it's more consistent for me or between sliders (because I want to be sure I won't accidently drop an end). If it's slow enough (lower than 200bpm) I'll basically single-tap circles and only alternate for sliders.

(although, by all means keep calling me good. Maybe the ego boost will help keep me going by the time I start playing 5.1* maps for SS's in 2035.)

EDIT: Going for SS's in general is apparently crazy but not some super-strange thing. Going for all the SS's is dedication. I will always champion SS's over FCs for players who are beyond the absolute basics (basically anyone under 500K-ish), but I also will only suggest going hardcore for SS's everywhere if you're truly willing to sink the time and frustration into it.

Fxjlk wrote:

Asothin wrote:

False equivalence fallacy. A mistake =/ bad habit. Mistakes can originate from bad habits but it could just as well be a matter of consistency.

How is it false equivalence? Its impossible to never develop bad habits in the same way its impossible to never miss.

Technique you learn initially may be fine for a while but it eventually becomes a habit you have to break

Asothin wrote:

it's because I didn't focus my eyes on the correct part of the screen. The reason why the miss occured is still clear.

If you lost focus and didn't see the mistake clearly then you are not conscious of the mistake. The reason you missed is not clear.

I can attest (since we spent some time in here speaking my praises) I have had MULTIPLE attempts derailed both by mistakes I couldn't anticipate and mistakes by a lull in concentration. While I still think I have a decently good ability to track whether a mistake was my fault or not, if it IS my fault it's because I started auto-piloting a pattern and missed a pattern/speed change or stopped focusing and went too fast/slow by accident. Even then, sometimes I do have mistake that are my fault but I don't see that, either due to irritation or just not looking.

All that to say, it happens.

__scripting wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

HAHAHAHAS

Deranking bad

Fxjlk wrote:

How is it false equivalence? Its impossible to never develop bad habits in the same way its impossible to never miss.

Technique you learn initially may be fine for a while but it eventually becomes a habit you have to break

It's not impossible. That's why. It just takes some discipline when learning.

Fxjlk wrote:

If you lost focus and didn't see the mistake clearly then you are not conscious of the mistake. The reason you missed is not clear.

Didn't lose focus. 'Focused' on an incorrect element. Reading mistake. Akin to undershooting and mentally saying 'a little more to the right'.

Anaxii wrote:

Deranking bad

Cope.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote:

fuck you mean cope. nigga have a healthier graph + 30k ranks above you.

Yes and it took me one try to set a comparable pp score to his top play.

I choose not to farm. We are not the same.

i see dawg. no hards feeling tho, keep doin what you doin.

This thread goes nowhere...

Anaxii wrote:

This thread goes nowhere...

No one's forcing you to engage big man.

Asothin wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

This thread goes nowhere...

No one's forcing you to engage big man.

I will engage

Anaxii wrote:

I will engage

True enough. You 'engage' without having anything to contribute to the topic and wonder why the "thread isn't going anywhere". I don't mind, but if you treat forums like your own private chat room, don't be surprised when they end up that way.

Asothin wrote:

Anaxii wrote:

I will engage

True enough. You 'engage' without having anything to contribute to the topic and wonder why the "thread isn't going anywhere". I don't mind, but if you treat forums like your own private chat room, don't be surprised when they end up that way.

Everyone knows that practicing means improving so I don't know why this thread exists...

Anaxii wrote:

Everyone knows that practicing means improving so I don't know why this thread exists...

Except you can practice wrong. Or waste time on ineffective training that doesn't get you closer to your goals.

For instance, if one of my goal is to improve at a specific map, and I only play that map it's guaranteed I will improve. If I play maps with similar style and difficulty it's still very likely I'll improve. I do not think the same is the case if I practice low-difficulty maps.

People act like there is some secret sauce to practicing. I think it's all mostly bs.

Congrats to doubling your postcount in this thread, Asothin xD

Asothin wrote:

People act like there is some secret sauce to practicing. I think it's all mostly bs.

There is a secret sause and it exists.

You can call it bs all you want but in real music it is well known that practicing correctly makes a difference.

If a music teacher just said "play more" they would look like a retard.

The video below details the correct practice technique (for guitar but this applies to osu and other musical instruments), and you guessed it... you practice slow.

Fxjlk wrote:

There is a secret sause and it exists.

You can call it bs all you want but in real music it is well known that practicing correctly makes a difference.

If a music teacher just said "play more" they would look like a retard.

This video details the correct practice technique (for guitar but this applies to osu and other musical instruments), and you guessed it... you practice slow.

Good video. It applies much less so to osu for the simple reason that it only involves two fingers at most. I can see a use case for it if you're trying to learn to start bursts with either finger (not needed if you full alt anyway), or if you're trying to learn a new pattern/tech/alt for the first time.

However, one thing to note. He mentions playing slow, which you seem inclined to correlate to playing slower maps. If you listen carefully to what he was saying he actually means playing the same song (or set of notes) slow, particularly the ones that are causing you problems to begin with. There is no point playing lower star rating because the patterns are too simple to have any noticeable effect.

To achieve the effect he's describing you would be better off using a trainer and manually adjusting the BPM or using the half time mod on harder maps.

I still think calling it the 'secret sauce' is largely overstated. Most people do some form of it instinctively anyway, so it's not really a secret to begin with. For instance gradually increasing the BPM of streams to warm up and improve finger control. Starting with easier maps and progressively increasing in difficulty.

The advice from this one video still beats what most random advice people leave on these forums. If I could pin your comment I would.

So basically you just change the BPM of the map that you're playing with this if you feel like it's too slow or too fast

Asothin wrote:

Good video. It applies much less so to osu for the simple reason that it only involves two fingers at most.

I don't see how two fingers makes it any less relevant. Its just as important for guitar as it is for osu.

Asothin wrote:

I can see a use case for it if you're trying to learn to start bursts with either finger (not needed if you full alt anyway), or if you're trying to learn a new pattern/tech/alt for the first time.

It actually applies to every skill at every level of mastery

Asothin wrote:

However, one thing to note. He mentions playing slow, which you seem inclined to correlate to playing slower maps. If you listen carefully to what he was saying he actually means playing the same song (or set of notes) slow, particularly the ones that are causing you problems to begin with. There is no point playing lower star rating because the patterns are too simple to have any noticeable effect.

To achieve the effect he's describing you would be better off using a trainer and manually adjusting the BPM or using the half time mod on harder maps.

A trainer is one option but you can do without it. You can still play at full speed but at at a lower star rating (1 star lower or so).

For example if you had trouble with 220 bpm bursts on a 5 star map, you can probably find a different 200 bpm burst map that is high 4 star which would be good practice.

There is no point playing 2 or 3 star maps if you are having trouble with some 5 star maps.

Asothin wrote:

I still think calling it the 'secret sauce' is largely overstated. Most people do some form of it instinctively anyway

Once you understand correct practice technique its so obvious you would think its common sense.

However not everyone understands good practice technique. Most players I see are way too eager to play fast and end up playing maps that are way too hard (basically every six digit MP lobby). They think that if they keep spamming these hard maps they will get better but are playing way too fast.

They usually end up burnt out, blame genetics or get RSI.

On the other end of the stick you have the people who have heard about fundamentals and play way too slow and see zero progress like you have.

Asothin wrote:

The advice from this one video still beats what most random advice people leave on these forums. If I could pin your comment I would.

Thanks : )

I appreciate it.

Fxjlk wrote:

On the other end of the stick you have the people who have heard about fundamentals and play way too slow and see zero progress like you have.

Saw the advice floating about. Gave it a go for one whole day and saw it have a negative impact. Glad it did. Saved me from wasting my time.

Fxjlk wrote:

Once you understand correct practice technique its so obvious you would think its common sense.

Most players I see are way too eager to play fast and end up playing maps that are way too hard

Doesn't help that most farm maps focus mostly on single taps with a couple bursts. The game ranking actively rewards skipping over some of the most important techniques to learn. A 5 digit not knowing how to do 2 consecutive doubles properly is down right embarrassing, but I can't exactly blame them.

<1:00 minute maps, particularly with DT are the worst for it. You can actively cheat with bad technique to get an FC with map length that short. Padoru Padoru comes to mind...

At the same time there are a decent amount of success stories of people playing this way. I mentioned Lifeline in an earlier comment. He effectively single tapped to the top ranks. Obviously not everyone can be Lifeline, but you could get pretty far just playing farm maps. And maybe a bit of wooting. :^) Video on the topic below.

Asothin wrote:

Saw the advice floating about. Gave it a go for one whole day and saw it have a negative impact. Glad it did. Saved me from wasting my time.

The advice isn't wrong, its just explained really, really badly.

Asothin wrote:

Doesn't help that most farm maps focus mostly on single taps with a couple bursts. The game ranking actively rewards skipping over some of the most important techniques to learn. A 5 digit not knowing how to do 2 consecutive doubles properly is down right embarrassing, but I can't exactly blame them.

<1:00 minute maps, particularly with DT are the worst for it. You can actively cheat with bad technique to get an FC with map length that short. Padoru Padoru comes to mind...

At the same time there are a decent amount of success stories of people playing this way. I mentioned Lifeline in an earlier comment. He effectively single tapped to the top ranks. Obviously not everyone can be Lifeline, but you could get pretty far just playing farm maps. And maybe a bit of wooting. :^) Video on the topic below.

Yeah. The problem is how pp is calculated but I don't blame anyone for that.

Its really hard to calculate difficulty given only the beatmaps data. Coming up with an algorithm to objectively measure the difficulty of a map with high accuracy is so complex its probably not worth doing.

Not to mention you can just farm a single skillset in the current system. An ideal pp system would look at the skills holistically which adds another layer of complexity. How do you assess each skill? What weighting is given to each? Have you missed out niche skills?

It would probably have to be done by AI.

Practicing fundamentals on 2* maps is for people who are hardstuck and having "fundamental" problems like snapping to notes, aiming sliders, and properly reading maps and tapping on time. That's who that advice is meant for, people with major problems that have tried everything else. The only "special" thing about the 2* maps is that they're so simple that you can laser-focus on these specific issues without having to think about other things. So idk what you expected, the advice isn't bad just cos it wasn't for you.

You shouldn't be having such big problems just from playing low SR for a little bit though, that isn't normal. Someone with a solid skillset could go back to high SR with just a little warmup. So there is something missing there for sure. If you just hopped back into 4-5 immediately after playing 2-3, of course you're going to have issues. You need to ease back into it if you've been playing only low SR for a while.