pretty much almost everyone hates it lolgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
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uh when i think about ekoro and -gnAireunaeus wrote:
pretty much almost everyone hates it lolgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
oh yeah, these guys are insane when it comes to low ar and EZ lolgnm wrote:
uh when i think about ekoro and -gnAireunaeus wrote:
pretty much almost everyone hates it lolgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
I hate flashlight lmao. I kinda suck at it too, I try to get better at it occasionally but I just kinda don't enjoy it at all
I find FL to be fun, not good at it but that's why I keep playing with it, to get better at it
Topic Starter
i started playing FL because i was bad at every mods and i wanna be cool like othersUPR wrote:
I find FL to be fun, not good at it but that's why I keep playing with it, to get better at it
As long as you have fun with it, you chilling, just don't ignore NM and you will be goldengnm wrote:
i started playing FL because i was bad at every mods and i wanna be cool like othersUPR wrote:
I find FL to be fun, not good at it but that's why I keep playing with it, to get better at it
Gonna drop my ultra hated, most unpopular opinion:
Flashlight is a lame mod and more importantly is so hard to balance that it shouldn't be ranked (at the very least it is absolutely stupid right now.)
Flashlight is a lame mod and more importantly is so hard to balance that it shouldn't be ranked (at the very least it is absolutely stupid right now.)
gimme reasonsNaiad wrote:
Gonna drop my ultra hated, most unpopular opinion:
Flashlight is a lame mod and more importantly is so hard to balance that it shouldn't be ranked (at the very least it is absolutely stupid right now.)
also it's not an unpopular opinion iirc, most people think that it should be unranked, has lots of errors, etc etc
FL lover here
As an EZ mod lover this thread is blasphemous. 
Wait till you guys find out about this guy: https://www.youtube.com/@Aery ,Aireunaeus wrote:
oh yeah, these guys are insane when it comes to low ar and EZ lolgnm wrote:
uh when i think about ekoro and -gnAireunaeus wrote:
pretty much almost everyone hates it lolgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
osu players when they have to click circles slowly :shocked:Shacovian wrote:
As an EZ mod lover this thread is blasphemous.
I absolutely love FL and I've been playing it for over 2 years at this point. The only time I can play a single map for hours at a time is if I'm grinding for an FL score. I actually think FL is a very underappreciated mod because any difficulty past easy or normal you're hardly going to see an FL score unless it's Fop, liswiera, -gn, etc., not to mention the satisfaction of setting a score only a couple of people have done or even being the first person to FL (or any FL with mod combos) a map.
Obviously I'm not some insane FL player, but I do find the mod to be extremely fun.
Obviously I'm not some insane FL player, but I do find the mod to be extremely fun.
I have very rarely ever seen anyone claim FL should be unranked (if ever), could you point me to an example?Rigbyuis wrote:
gimme reasonsNaiad wrote:
Gonna drop my ultra hated, most unpopular opinion:
Flashlight is a lame mod and more importantly is so hard to balance that it shouldn't be ranked (at the very least it is absolutely stupid right now.)
also it's not an unpopular opinion iirc, most people think that it should be unranked, has lots of errors, etc etc
FL lover here
Anyways, take kalanluu's top plays for example. They're obviously disgustingly overweighted. Kalanluu could never achieve a score remotely near that high of a pp value without FL. It was a lot worse before, too. (I don't intend to insinuate that he is a bad player, but I believe what I said to be the truth)
using Kalanluu as an example is just a cop out lmao. Even he acknowledges how overweighted some of his plays are.Naiad wrote:
I have very rarely ever seen anyone claim FL should be unranked (if ever), could you point me to an example?Rigbyuis wrote:
gimme reasonsNaiad wrote:
Gonna drop my ultra hated, most unpopular opinion:
Flashlight is a lame mod and more importantly is so hard to balance that it shouldn't be ranked (at the very least it is absolutely stupid right now.)
also it's not an unpopular opinion iirc, most people think that it should be unranked, has lots of errors, etc etc
FL lover here
Anyways, take kalanluu's top plays for example. They're obviously disgustingly overweighted. Kalanluu could never achieve a score remotely near that high of a pp value without FL. It was a lot worse before, too. (I don't intend to insinuate that he is a bad player, but I believe what I said to be the truth)
welp I played flashlight for farming leaderboards in short maps but rarely
ultimate Wgeiboi77 wrote:
yes.
Holy moly, dat guy’s insane. Even playing with no numbers and with EZ is crazyShacovian wrote:
As an EZ mod lover this thread is blasphemous.Wait till you guys find out about this guy: https://www.youtube.com/@Aery ,Aireunaeus wrote:
oh yeah, these guys are insane when it comes to low ar and EZ lolgnm wrote:
uh when i think about ekoro and -gnAireunaeus wrote:
pretty much almost everyone hates it lolgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
I suck at it but I think its cool
I don't have the patience or dedication to learn a map with fl
I used to like it
I used it on a 5* old map
I used it on a 5* old map
As a medal farmer, flashlight SUCKS.
BasedI AM VERY SMART wrote:
As a medal farmer, flashlight SUCKS.
It sucks because you're wasting your time memorizing a map that you will completely forget 6 hours after FC'ing it... I mostly use this mod to brag my ability to memorize maps lolAireunaeus wrote:
BasedI AM VERY SMART wrote:
As a medal farmer, flashlight SUCKS.
What? So he agrees I'm right? Lol.UPR wrote:
using Kalanluu as an example is just a cop out lmao. Even he acknowledges how overweighted some of his plays are.Naiad wrote:
I have very rarely ever seen anyone claim FL should be unranked (if ever), could you point me to an example?Rigbyuis wrote:
gimme reasonsNaiad wrote:
Gonna drop my ultra hated, most unpopular opinion:
Flashlight is a lame mod and more importantly is so hard to balance that it shouldn't be ranked (at the very least it is absolutely stupid right now.)
also it's not an unpopular opinion iirc, most people think that it should be unranked, has lots of errors, etc etc
FL lover here
Anyways, take kalanluu's top plays for example. They're obviously disgustingly overweighted. Kalanluu could never achieve a score remotely near that high of a pp value without FL. It was a lot worse before, too. (I don't intend to insinuate that he is a bad player, but I believe what I said to be the truth)
No he agrees that his plays can be 'overweighted' at times, outside that though most of them are pretty balanced. (He mainly agreed about Because Maybe and that only)Naiad wrote:
What? So he agrees I'm right? Lol.UPR wrote:
using Kalanluu as an example is just a cop out lmao. Even he acknowledges how overweighted some of his plays are.Naiad wrote:
I have very rarely ever seen anyone claim FL should be unranked (if ever), could you point me to an example?Rigbyuis wrote:
gimme reasonsNaiad wrote:
Gonna drop my ultra hated, most unpopular opinion:
Flashlight is a lame mod and more importantly is so hard to balance that it shouldn't be ranked (at the very least it is absolutely stupid right now.)
also it's not an unpopular opinion iirc, most people think that it should be unranked, has lots of errors, etc etc
FL lover here
Anyways, take kalanluu's top plays for example. They're obviously disgustingly overweighted. Kalanluu could never achieve a score remotely near that high of a pp value without FL. It was a lot worse before, too. (I don't intend to insinuate that he is a bad player, but I believe what I said to be the truth)
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Flashlight mod takes crazy memorization skill or pure dedication. It's always respectable seeing people grind out maps with fl. Idk how we ended up talking about ez mod but as a ez player that mod is part of me now and ez + fl go together like bread and butter imo
edit: the reason I think fl is cool is because some really good plays with fl can take 1000+ attempts and requires you to actually look inside the editor, create practice diffs, techniques etc. instead of mindlessly tapping circles. Fl plays are extremely unique, most diffs in the game don't even have a single fl fc because of how demanding it is to learn maps and most fl plays can't be sniped in a single try by even the best players in the game.
edit: the reason I think fl is cool is because some really good plays with fl can take 1000+ attempts and requires you to actually look inside the editor, create practice diffs, techniques etc. instead of mindlessly tapping circles. Fl plays are extremely unique, most diffs in the game don't even have a single fl fc because of how demanding it is to learn maps and most fl plays can't be sniped in a single try by even the best players in the game.
as someone with a fl #1, i can confirm that i wasted my time memorizing the map
Well Flashlight is one hell of a grind! especially when you choose to do HDFL on a low ar map.
FL on a low ar beatmap is actually easy, but if you use hidden it becomes the complete opposite, because the notes are like already invisible once you get from one object into another..
Although I thankfully got a FL FC that I was proud of..
FL on a low ar beatmap is actually easy, but if you use hidden it becomes the complete opposite, because the notes are like already invisible once you get from one object into another..
Although I thankfully got a FL FC that I was proud of..
YOU SEE, FLASHLIGHT IS A WASTEBluJellu wrote:
as someone with a fl #1, i can confirm that i wasted my time memorizing the map
Don't play flashlight unless you're a medal farmer guys
ok...? I said that FL is too hard to balance. The fact that some FL plays are that disgustingly overweighted and others aren't also just further strengthens my point. did you even read what I have to say? lol.UPR wrote:
No he agrees that his plays can be 'overweighted' at times, outside that though most of them are pretty balanced. (He mainly agreed about Because Maybe and that only)Naiad wrote:
What? So he agrees I'm right? Lol.UPR wrote:
using Kalanluu as an example is just a cop out lmao. Even he acknowledges how overweighted some of his plays are.Naiad wrote:
I have very rarely ever seen anyone claim FL should be unranked (if ever), could you point me to an example?Rigbyuis wrote:
gimme reasonsNaiad wrote:
Gonna drop my ultra hated, most unpopular opinion:
Flashlight is a lame mod and more importantly is so hard to balance that it shouldn't be ranked (at the very least it is absolutely stupid right now.)
also it's not an unpopular opinion iirc, most people think that it should be unranked, has lots of errors, etc etc
FL lover here
Anyways, take kalanluu's top plays for example. They're obviously disgustingly overweighted. Kalanluu could never achieve a score remotely near that high of a pp value without FL. It was a lot worse before, too. (I don't intend to insinuate that he is a bad player, but I believe what I said to be the truth)
Topic Starter
i am playing flashlight for fun and for pp because i am bad at dtI AM VERY SMART wrote:
YOU SEE, FLASHLIGHT IS A WASTEBluJellu wrote:
as someone with a fl #1, i can confirm that i wasted my time memorizing the map
Don't play flashlight unless you're a medal farmer guys
Be a nm player then!gnm wrote:
i am playing flashlight for fun and for pp because i am bad at dtI AM VERY SMART wrote:
YOU SEE, FLASHLIGHT IS A WASTEBluJellu wrote:
as someone with a fl #1, i can confirm that i wasted my time memorizing the map
Don't play flashlight unless you're a medal farmer guys
The "nm" is even in your username LOL
Topic Starter
LOOL gonna rename to flm :tf:I AM VERY SMART wrote:
Be a nm player then!gnm wrote:
i am playing flashlight for fun and for pp because i am bad at dtI AM VERY SMART wrote:
YOU SEE, FLASHLIGHT IS A WASTEBluJellu wrote:
as someone with a fl #1, i can confirm that i wasted my time memorizing the map
Don't play flashlight unless you're a medal farmer guys
The "nm" is even in your username LOL
NO WAY 💀💀💀💀💀💀gnm wrote:
LOOL gonna rename to flm :tf:I AM VERY SMART wrote:
Be a nm player then!gnm wrote:
i am playing flashlight for fun and for pp because i am bad at dtI AM VERY SMART wrote:
YOU SEE, FLASHLIGHT IS A WASTEBluJellu wrote:
as someone with a fl #1, i can confirm that i wasted my time memorizing the map
Don't play flashlight unless you're a medal farmer guys
The "nm" is even in your username LOL
I love FL, but I'm bad.
Memorization is hard
Because lets just forget that every mod even nomod in some cases has very overweight and very underweight plays, but most of the time overweight FL plays are only set by a handful of people because either way the score takes a lot of time and dedication, you don't click on someone's profile and see their entire top plays filled with FL, instead you'll most likely see (HD)DT. Let's remember that Zan'ei HDHR could give you 600+PP or ReLief +DT can still give 500PP, I have a 5 miss at the end of the map to put things into perspective. FL has been the only mod that has contested DT for the PP record in 4 years, the last PP record that was with HR(not paired with DT of course) was 4 years ago being idke's Songs Compilation +HR being 1,035PP (nerfed to 992.79PP).Naiad wrote:
ok...? I said that FL is too hard to balance. The fact that some FL plays are that disgustingly overweighted and others aren't also just further strengthens my point. did you even read what I have to say? lol.
Your example of kalanluu (you're obviously mostly referring to his Because Maybe EZHTFL play) can kinda be compared to mrekk's HDDT on Zan'ei. I say this because, Because Maybe EZHTFL was the PP record right after Zan'ei HDDT but both scores got nerfed to the ground and caused the 1,200PP barrier to have to be broken again. This just justifies my claim that every mod and mod combination has extremely overweight (and underweight) scores.
Of course every mod combo has both overweight and underweight scores, but FL has the ability to turn nearly any long map without high mechanical difficulty into something overweight, whereas other overweight scores are generally dependent on the patterns, not the mods, lol (zanei was overweight hr, nomod, dt, maps like the unforgiving are clearly not anywhere near the level of overweight they are with FL on any of those mods). that's why zanei isnt comparable to unforgiving FL or because maybe FLMrSparklepants wrote:
Because lets just forget that every mod even nomod in some cases has very overweight and very underweight plays, but most of the time overweight FL plays are only set by a handful of people because either way the score takes a lot of time and dedication, you don't click on someone's profile and see their entire top plays filled with FL, instead you'll most likely see (HD)DT. Let's remember that Zan'ei HDHR could give you 600+PP or ReLief +DT can still give 500PP, I have a 5 miss at the end of the map to put things into perspective. FL has been the only mod that has contested DT for the PP record in 4 years, the last PP record that was with HR(not paired with DT of course) was 4 years ago being idke's Songs Compilation +HR being 1,035PP (nerfed to 992.79PP).Naiad wrote:
ok...? I said that FL is too hard to balance. The fact that some FL plays are that disgustingly overweighted and others aren't also just further strengthens my point. did you even read what I have to say? lol.
Your example of kalanluu (you're obviously mostly referring to his Because Maybe EZHTFL play) can kinda be compared to mrekk's HDDT on Zan'ei. I say this because, Because Maybe EZHTFL was the PP record right after Zan'ei HDDT but both scores got nerfed to the ground and caused the 1,200PP barrier to have to be broken again. This just justifies my claim that every mod and mod combination has extremely overweight (and underweight) scores.
You still have to take into consideration the memorization difficulty which is its own skill, under most high PP plays there days of memorization and hundreds of practice difficulty attempts. Take Liswiera for example, they stream their FL attempts and it usually takes them multiple days and a lot of practice diffs. Not to mention Liswiera has been playing FL for many years at this point which means they can probably memorize maps way faster than someone who doesn't play FL.Naiad wrote:
Of course every mod combo has both overweight and underweight scores, but FL has the ability to turn nearly any long map without high mechanical difficulty into something overweight, whereas other overweight scores are generally dependent on the patterns, not the mods, lol (zanei was overweight hr, nomod, dt, maps like the unforgiving are clearly not anywhere near the level of overweight they are with FL on any of those mods). that's why zanei isnt comparable to unforgiving FL or because maybe FLMrSparklepants wrote:
Because lets just forget that every mod even nomod in some cases has very overweight and very underweight plays, but most of the time overweight FL plays are only set by a handful of people because either way the score takes a lot of time and dedication, you don't click on someone's profile and see their entire top plays filled with FL, instead you'll most likely see (HD)DT. Let's remember that Zan'ei HDHR could give you 600+PP or ReLief +DT can still give 500PP, I have a 5 miss at the end of the map to put things into perspective. FL has been the only mod that has contested DT for the PP record in 4 years, the last PP record that was with HR(not paired with DT of course) was 4 years ago being idke's Songs Compilation +HR being 1,035PP (nerfed to 992.79PP).Naiad wrote:
ok...? I said that FL is too hard to balance. The fact that some FL plays are that disgustingly overweighted and others aren't also just further strengthens my point. did you even read what I have to say? lol.
Your example of kalanluu (you're obviously mostly referring to his Because Maybe EZHTFL play) can kinda be compared to mrekk's HDDT on Zan'ei. I say this because, Because Maybe EZHTFL was the PP record right after Zan'ei HDDT but both scores got nerfed to the ground and caused the 1,200PP barrier to have to be broken again. This just justifies my claim that every mod and mod combination has extremely overweight (and underweight) scores.
I just think it's disingenuous to say that just because a map does't have a high mechanical difficulty that it is overweight with FL, take the unforgiving +FL for example, it took -GN 90 hours (3 3/4 days of memorization) just to memorize the map and get an FC attempt on it, the mechanical difficulty is pretty easy, but the amount of memorization deserves at least some recognition as it is quite literally almost an hour long. At the end of the day you're combining multiple mechanical skills such as aiming and tapping with memorization which at least to me is extremely impressive and deserves high PP plays.
If these maps are so overweight why aren't more players attempting them (unforgiving only has ~7 FL scores with more than 300PP)?
I like watching FL and EZ plays but i'm bad at FL and not that good at EZ
same- Marco - wrote:
I like watching FL and EZ plays but i'm bad at FL and not that good at EZ
Ngl I feel like FL is easier than EZ- Marco - wrote:
I like watching FL and EZ plays but i'm bad at FL and not that good at EZ
im literally the opposite of you lol i love ez and hate flgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
Both are trashdPeace wrote:
im literally the opposite of you lol i love ez and hate flgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
true words (getting goosebumps rn while reading this 🥹)I AM VERY SMART wrote:
Both are trashdPeace wrote:
im literally the opposite of you lol i love ez and hate flgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
IT'S THE TRUTH HAHAHAAireunaeus wrote:
true words (getting goosebumps rn while reading this 🥹)I AM VERY SMART wrote:
Both are trashdPeace wrote:
im literally the opposite of you lol i love ez and hate flgnm wrote:
i hate EZ tooAireunaeus wrote:
no, not at all. flashlight is the worst mod ever (next to Easy)
The real answer, that no one likes to hear, is that no one can be bothered to farm maps with FL. It's boring to most players. Most players don't even have a 3* 30 second FL FC, does that mean that they are difficult? Who do you actually think wants to play the Unforgiving FL over and over until they FC it? Even outside of FL, are you motivated to farm every map that you could?MrSparklepants wrote:
You still have to take into consideration the memorization difficulty which is its own skill, under most high PP plays there days of memorization and hundreds of practice difficulty attempts. Take Liswiera for example, they stream their FL attempts and it usually takes them multiple days and a lot of practice diffs. Not to mention Liswiera has been playing FL for many years at this point which means they can probably memorize maps way faster than someone who doesn't play FL.Naiad wrote:
Of course every mod combo has both overweight and underweight scores, but FL has the ability to turn nearly any long map without high mechanical difficulty into something overweight, whereas other overweight scores are generally dependent on the patterns, not the mods, lol (zanei was overweight hr, nomod, dt, maps like the unforgiving are clearly not anywhere near the level of overweight they are with FL on any of those mods). that's why zanei isnt comparable to unforgiving FL or because maybe FLMrSparklepants wrote:
Because lets just forget that every mod even nomod in some cases has very overweight and very underweight plays, but most of the time overweight FL plays are only set by a handful of people because either way the score takes a lot of time and dedication, you don't click on someone's profile and see their entire top plays filled with FL, instead you'll most likely see (HD)DT. Let's remember that Zan'ei HDHR could give you 600+PP or ReLief +DT can still give 500PP, I have a 5 miss at the end of the map to put things into perspective. FL has been the only mod that has contested DT for the PP record in 4 years, the last PP record that was with HR(not paired with DT of course) was 4 years ago being idke's Songs Compilation +HR being 1,035PP (nerfed to 992.79PP).Naiad wrote:
ok...? I said that FL is too hard to balance. The fact that some FL plays are that disgustingly overweighted and others aren't also just further strengthens my point. did you even read what I have to say? lol.
Your example of kalanluu (you're obviously mostly referring to his Because Maybe EZHTFL play) can kinda be compared to mrekk's HDDT on Zan'ei. I say this because, Because Maybe EZHTFL was the PP record right after Zan'ei HDDT but both scores got nerfed to the ground and caused the 1,200PP barrier to have to be broken again. This just justifies my claim that every mod and mod combination has extremely overweight (and underweight) scores.
I just think it's disingenuous to say that just because a map does't have a high mechanical difficulty that it is overweight with FL, take the unforgiving +FL for example, it took -GN 90 hours (3 3/4 days of memorization) just to memorize the map and get an FC attempt on it, the mechanical difficulty is pretty easy, but the amount of memorization deserves at least some recognition as it is quite literally almost an hour long. At the end of the day you're combining multiple mechanical skills such as aiming and tapping with memorization which at least to me is extremely impressive and deserves high PP plays.
If these maps are so overweight why aren't more players attempting them (unforgiving only has ~7 FL scores with more than 300PP)?
Additionally, the grind for a 4 digit player to FC the unforgiving FL and get 900 pp or whatever it is, is insignificant compared to the amount of time they'd have to play to acquire the skill required to set a 900 pp on a regular map.
I also want to point out, with all due respect, that I dont think there is a refutation to my point that overweighted FL plays (everyone agrees they exist) are overweighted simply because they have the FL mod attached (give me a break, when else has HTEZ been pp viable except with FL?), overweighted plays on other mods are generally related to the patterns (DT farm maps for top players tend to be 5 digit farm maps nm)
Again, I'm not trying to say -GN, or Kalanluu are not skilled players (even in the mechanical sense, GN has a 1 miss on everything will freeze) or that they are even necessarily overranked, I'm saying that many FL top plays are not properly balanced.
I abused FL + pausing to get a couple easy leaderboard scores so its pretty cool
I wish we could also do that in the insane and extra difficultiesbathbombman wrote:
I abused FL + pausing to get a couple easy leaderboard scores so its pretty cool