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Hot take: Playing pp farm maps is vital to improving as a player

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mqwilliamscom
Now don't get me wrong, playing only pp farm maps can lead you to missing important step and developing your skillset. However, if you combine pp farm along with maps that tackle other areas (i.e, streams, tech, low/high AR, stamina, etc), then you become a much better rounded player. And it's for one reason:

Aim.

For the longest time I prided myself on having top plays in tech, non-farm maps. However I couldn't aim or jump for shit. I've only recently started to dive into the farm meta and I've gotta say it's helped me improve my aim a lot.

A lot (maybe even all) the top players used to farm pp heavy before they got to where they're at now. Some still do today.

Again, I advise against just playing TV sized or Sotarks/Log Off Now/ 60 second maps. It's important to diversify. But don't turn your nose up on playing Padoru/Padoru every now and then. Who cares if it gets on your top plays list? No one really cares about your profile anyway.

Okay, random ramble no one asked for it over.
Gamesnake7
Actually true tbh
kujubuo
Its not really a hot take because it is true. Basically when you go to higher stars you always need better aim but sometimes you dont need better stamina,finger control etc.. Basically the more difficult maps the more aim you need. But the same doesnt apply that much to stamina,finger control and speed that much
Romurujouzu
You have the right idea but the wrong conclusion. Yes, making sure you don't neglect aim is very important but that doesn't mean that farming is vital - it means playing aim maps is vital. Not every aim map is farm.
Lilyn

mqwilliamscom wrote:

However, if you combine pp farm along with maps that tackle other areas (i.e, streams, tech, low/high AR, stamina, etc), then you become a much better rounded player. And it's for one reason:
Aim.
That's a bit inaccurate. There are different types of farm maps. Aim-based, stream-based, etc.
But yes, farm maps can help a lot in improving.

I really need to play them...
Topic Starter
mqwilliamscom

Lilyn wrote:

mqwilliamscom wrote:

However, if you combine pp farm along with maps that tackle other areas (i.e, streams, tech, low/high AR, stamina, etc), then you become a much better rounded player. And it's for one reason:
Aim.
That's a bit inaccurate. There are different types of farm maps. Aim-based, stream-based, etc.
But yes, farm maps can help a lot in improving.

I really need to play them...
True I was kinda going the lazy route of implying farm maps = jump maps since that's kinda what most people think when you use the terminology nowadays. Not really too worried about semantics since this was a lazy post.
Peac3Sush1
As a taiko player I would say it’s not very helpful, especially because a lot of taiko players will farm converted maps, which don’t contain hardly any patterns, which are the baseline for pretty much any regular taiko map above 3*. Then again, I started very recently in the grand scheme of things, so I could be completely wrong here.
kujubuo

Peac3Sush1 wrote:

As a taiko player I would say it’s not very helpful, especially because a lot of taiko players will farm converted maps, which don’t contain hardly any patterns, which are the baseline for pretty much any regular taiko map above 3*. Then again, I started very recently in the grand scheme of things, so I could be completely wrong here.
well this is not taiko its osu standart
[RUE]Bambinex
finally someone with a brain
MrSparklepants
"Who cares if it gets on your top plays list?"

Me

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mqwilliamscom

bambinex wrote:

finally someone with a brain
Simon12

mqwilliamscom wrote:

bambinex wrote:

finally someone with a brain
kujubuo

MrSparklepants wrote:

"Who cares if it gets on your top plays list?"

Me

weird
Fxjlk
Yeah nah

PP farming makes you good at farming.

Untill it doesnt
kujubuo

Fxjlk wrote:

Yeah nah

PP farming makes you good at farming.

Untill it doesnt
wdym weird
Topic Starter
mqwilliamscom

Fxjlk wrote:

Yeah nah

PP farming makes you good at farming.

Untill it doesnt
Now don't get me wrong, playing only pp farm maps can lead you to missing important step and developing your skillset. However, if you combine pp farm along with maps that tackle other areas (i.e, streams, tech, low/high AR, stamina, etc), then you become a much better rounded player. And it's for one reason:
kujubuo

mqwilliamscom wrote:

Fxjlk wrote:

Yeah nah

PP farming makes you good at farming.

Untill it doesnt
Now don't get me wrong, playing only pp farm maps can lead you to missing important step and developing your skillset. However, if you combine pp farm along with maps that tackle other areas (i.e, streams, tech, low/high AR, stamina, etc), then you become a much better rounded player. And it's for one reason:
farming is always with higher ar. so idk what you are trying to say but you dont need to build every skills when you start imo
Rigbyuis
play more 😎😎💯💯🔥🔥
midgy
you can play aim and jump maps without farming though, just do it however you like, nothing wrong with farming if you enjoy it
Fxjlk

kujubuo wrote:

wdym weird
One day when you know, you will know

mqwilliamscom wrote:

Now don't get me wrong, playing only pp farm maps can lead you to missing important step and developing your skillset. However, if you combine pp farm along with maps that tackle other areas (i.e, streams, tech, low/high AR, stamina, etc), then you become a much better rounded player.
Or you could just skip the farming part and just get good? PP comes naturally with a high skill level. We might have a different view of what farming is but for me farming is specifically playing maps that are overweighted and I don't see the point honestly.
[Funko]
I personally wouldn't say farm maps are vital. Rather just playing more aim intensive maps would help train the skill.
Romurujouzu

Fxjlk wrote:

Or you could just skip the farming part and just get good? PP comes naturally with a high skill level. We might have a different view of what farming is but for me farming is specifically playing maps that are overweighted and I don't see the point honestly.

[Funko] wrote:

I personally wouldn't say farm maps are vital. Rather just playing more aim intensive maps would help train the skill.
^
kujubuo

Fxjlk wrote:

kujubuo wrote:

wdym weird
One day when you know, you will know
i dont really farm everyday but i can say that there is lots of top players got to their place by just farming. They only farmed
Fxjlk

kujubuo wrote:

i dont really farm everyday but i can say that there is lots of top players got to their place by just farming. They only farmed
And theres also many who got high rank from not farming.

Osu is a lot like music. There are some musicians who get amazing despite learning the wrong way. Though there is an even greater number who stay mediocre because they don't practice correctly to reach their goals
Almost

Fxjlk wrote:

And theres also many who got high rank from not farming.

Osu is a lot like music. There are some musicians who get amazing despite learning the wrong way. Though there is an even greater number who stay mediocre because they don't practice correctly to reach their goals
That doesn't mean farming is an incorrect way of doing things lol. You can learn to play farm maps well and then use those skills to get better at other aspects of the game. That's what I did when I used to be a top player and quite a few of my old friends did the same too.

A real wrong way of getting good at the game is only going for passes all day and randomly getting good like that. Is it possible? Probably but very few people (if any) have pulled it off.
kujubuo

Almost wrote:

Fxjlk wrote:

And theres also many who got high rank from not farming.

Osu is a lot like music. There are some musicians who get amazing despite learning the wrong way. Though there is an even greater number who stay mediocre because they don't practice correctly to reach their goals
That doesn't mean farming is an incorrect way of doing things lol. You can learn to play farm maps well and then use those skills to get better at other aspects of the game. That's what I did when I used to be a top player and quite a few of my old friends did the same too.

A real wrong way of getting good at the game is only going for passes all day and randomly getting good like that. Is it possible? Probably but very few people (if any) have pulled it off.
Tbh how you go for passes is also important. Like low misscount passes,just only passes etc. You can pretty sure improve by going for low misscount passes
Fxjlk

Almost wrote:

That doesn't mean farming is an incorrect way of doing things lol. You can learn to play farm maps well and then use those skills to get better at other aspects of the game. That's what I did when I used to be a top player and quite a few of my old friends did the same too.
Playing farm isnt bad in itself. The problem is when you only play to farm and only play hard farm maps to improve. Farm maps need a specific structure and this leaves holes in skillsets that don't really matter for pp.

Playing farm isnt vital to improving either, just like how tech maps arnt vital for improving. The fundamental skillsets (aim, finger control, stamina, reading etc) can be improved in many ways.
Almost

Fxjlk wrote:

Playing farm isnt bad in itself. The problem is when you only play to farm and only play hard farm maps to improve. Farm maps need a specific structure and this leaves holes in skillsets that don't really matter for pp.

Playing farm isnt vital to improving either, just like how tech maps arnt vital for improving. The fundamental skillsets (aim, finger control, stamina, reading etc) can be improved in many ways.
I can agree with that, the only thing I disagree with is when you insinuated that getting good by playing farm maps is wrong. Yeah you don't have to play farm maps but it's a path you can go down that's not going to be bad for you or hinder your progress.
Fxjlk

Almost wrote:

I can agree with that, the only thing I disagree with is when you insinuated that getting good by playing farm maps is wrong. Yeah you don't have to play farm maps but it's a path you can go down that's not going to be bad for you or hinder your progress.
I see. I was replying to kujubuo who said top players could get really good from only farming. My reply referred to farming all the time as the "wrong way" but I wasnt explicit about that.
Topic Starter
mqwilliamscom

Fxjlk wrote:

Almost wrote:

I can agree with that, the only thing I disagree with is when you insinuated that getting good by playing farm maps is wrong. Yeah you don't have to play farm maps but it's a path you can go down that's not going to be bad for you or hinder your progress.
I see. I was replying to kujubuo who said top players could get really good from only farming. My reply referred to farming all the time as the "wrong way" but I wasnt explicit about that.

Good point. Also after further thinking playing farm maps is more of a possible road you can go down rather than a necessary road you have to go down as my initial post dictates.
Juuuuuuuuul
idk, i played a lot of farm maps and i'm still bad. :D
wowcake
Personally for me, i use farm maps to both measure how good i am and also get some pp along the way,

I would play a farm map that is hard at the time/out of comfort zone and submit a score, then, i focused on improving my skills and all, after that, i played the farm map again and could easily do it and makes me happy that i have improved, then proceed to farm more maps until the cycle repeats again (focus improving skills after that, farm, repeat)
kujubuo

Juuuuuuuuul wrote:

idk, i played a lot of farm maps and i'm still bad. :D
I think your issue is that you are used to lower bpms. So higher stars require higher bpm and you suck at that probably
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newer farm maps aren't as aim-intensuve any more so....
Akanagi
It definitely works. Just look at Lifelines "Most Played". You can easily get good by just playing PP all day every day. I'd argue it's a really good idea since it falls into the 80/20 rule.

Why spend months trying to learn Scarlet Rose when most of the skillset required for that map doesn't transfer to most maps today?
Ymir
Depends what you're farming really
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