Apollo's rework seems very popular on Reddit, YouTube, Discord osu! servers, etc.
It's getting a lot of support it seems.
What do you guys think of it?
It's getting a lot of support it seems.
What do you guys think of it?
i lose pp though. its still a good rework-Polyrem- wrote:
mfs only agree with reworks because they will get more pp, I swear anybody that loses pp just hates pp rework
its actually going to depend on misses and not acc. The acc system will stay the same.Arm wrote:
I like the idea of pp being based less off of combo and more on acc. The main change i'd say needs to be done with it is punish misses harder than its punished now. I feel that would make it more balanced.
Thing is theres not gonna be a perfect system, and theres gonna be hate and praise for each rework, so id say this change would be a new and cool system to try out, just like the current rework thats been implemented
Last rework nerfed jumps a bit too much. I'm sure most can see that. Jumps had already been heavily nerfed this year, so another heavy nerf was not really necessary. They should have a slight buff imo. Less than prior, but more than current.Yone wrote:
i rmb during the last rework u lost pp and was so mad and flamed it so hard
but now u gain pp from this rework and trying so hard to suck apollos d
I think if somehow u lost pp during this rework u would probably call it the shittiest rework ever or something
but imo its ok ig
I mean not really. I agree with the premise of the rework. I've always wondered why combo was most important in PP. It should be misscount and acc. A B rank FC is not better than a mid-map 1 miss with 99% acc, which is how it is in the current PP system.-Polyrem- wrote:
mfs only agree with reworks because they will get more pp, I swear anybody that loses pp just hates pp rework
I don't really know the finetuning, some plays actually get misses punished fairly or pretty heavily, but others there seems to be really little punishment. I don't know what the right measure is.Arm wrote:
I like the idea of pp being based less off of combo and more on acc. The main change i'd say needs to be done with it is punish misses harder than its punished now. I feel that would make it more balanced.
Thing is theres not gonna be a perfect system, and theres gonna be hate and praise for each rework, so id say this change would be a new and cool system to try out, just like the current rework thats been implemented
Yeah but it makes acc a really important factor since plays with misses but high acc can be rewarded now. Whereas before acc only mattered if you held combo.kujubuo wrote:
i lose pp though. its still a good rework-Polyrem- wrote:
mfs only agree with reworks because they will get more pp, I swear anybody that loses pp just hates pp reworkits actually going to depend on misses and not acc. The acc system will stay the same.Arm wrote:
I like the idea of pp being based less off of combo and more on acc. The main change i'd say needs to be done with it is punish misses harder than its punished now. I feel that would make it more balanced.
Thing is theres not gonna be a perfect system, and theres gonna be hate and praise for each rework, so id say this change would be a new and cool system to try out, just like the current rework thats been implemented
epic argument. if it's broken why bother trying to make it as good as possible if it's never gonna be perfect am i right?witchhunted wrote:
reworks have always been trash, just bring back v1 because they would never make a perfect pp system anyway.
make FL great againAiq wrote:
epic argument. if it's broken why bother trying to make it as good as possible if it's never gonna be perfect am i right?witchhunted wrote:
reworks have always been trash, just bring back v1 because they would never make a perfect pp system anyway.
perhaps, ppv1 may have been even more flawed based on informations we have available [1] [2] [3]
Imagine if osu hosted an official PPv1 leaderboard page, like the Score ranking leaderboard has, but you know PPv1.Aiq wrote:
epic argument. if it's broken why bother trying to make it as good as possible if it's never gonna be perfect am i right?witchhunted wrote:
reworks have always been trash, just bring back v1 because they would never make a perfect pp system anyway.
perhaps, ppv1 may have been even more flawed based on informations we have available [1] [2] [3]
"If you lose PP you can't criticize a rework"rematyar wrote:
"The last rework nerfed jumps a bit too much" is an other word for "My pp goes down bad rework" I see. Since the last rework doesn't nerf jumps THAT much. (The rework buffed wide angle jumps anyway
Anyway, this rework is okay. Or should I say, bad because my acc will go down
How many perfect plays you have doesn't represent your skill because there are many skilled plays that are not "perfect", people will still want to FC with high acc because that will still be the highest possible PP play.Simon12 wrote:
I can see why people want this rework, but I'm personally not a huge fan of it.
This is the kind of rework I would want when I was a newer to the game. I remember being so upset when I missed and thought to myself: "Why does this "combo" bullshit have to determine how much PP my plays are worth? I got 99%+ on that run! It only makes me retryspam the same maps over and over!" And then at some later point in time I changed my perspective: "Maybe I don't deserve that score right now. Maybe that "shitmiss" was my fault. Maybe I should try to actually improve and get more consistent so I don't have to retry 50+ times to set the score I want!"
Because of this current system, I have learned to associate FC's with high accuracy as good plays, and they're very satisfying scores to set when I DO set them. When I submit a score, but didn't FC, the score won't feel "finished" to me. And I don't stay away from submitting scores because of that (you can easily tell if you take a quick look at my profile lol). I still set scores because it's a start. I look at the score I just set and feel motivated to improve, so I can set a better play later on the same map and fix the score. The way the current system works compliments this kind of mindset very well. It encourages you to overwrite your old choke plays with FC's that have the highest accuracy you can manage.
What I fear this new rework is going to do. Is make players less inclined to adopt the kind of mindset I wrote about in the former paragraph and make higher PP scores less satisfying to set. Because it will be easier. And the reason this game can make you feel so incredible, is precisely because of how hard it can be. With this new rework you can have shitmisses and sliderbreaks sprinkled through your play and still gain a decent amount of PP from it. This does not incentivize consistency like the current system does and therefore it's more lazy. Which is why it will ultimately, be a less enjoyable experience.
You might find that this rework is very fun the first couple of weeks after it has gone live, but you will not be able to increase your PP by setting overvalued scores indefinitely (unless you are indefinitely improving). And when that time comes you will be back to square one (in the sense that gaining rank/PP will be just as difficult as it was before the rework went live). The only difference at that point is that the bar has been lowered.PP will be inflated
I am definitely biased here because of the reasons I've mentioned, but I still think it's noteworthy to point this out. Maybe I seem like an osu boomer when writing about this, but this post isn't entirely an appeal to tradition. I've also stated why this current system is in my view superior. The current system is far from perfect, but making this change is definitely a downgrade in my opinion. As it stands now, I think the current system acts as a good bonus becase of how it rewards certain kinds of good scores and it's pretty decent at sucking in new players to the game. But in the end this change will not make me quit the game, even if I think that this is a step in the wrong direction. Because there is more to osu! than just PP.