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7k+1 is trash

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abraker
I hate IIDX for making 7k+1 meta a thing. Pure 8k maps are so better.

It's also so hard to find pure 8k maps. Most ranked are 7k+1, and digging in ye graveyards gives me too much trash.
Ska
tru, thats why I play 9k instead
Connormgs
You know IIDX is over 20 years old right?
roufou
get a damn turntable so it'll be fun
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abraker

Connormgs wrote:

You know IIDX is over 20 years old right?
You know it set the precedent for the 7k+1 meta right?


agu wrote:

get a damn turntable so it'll be fun
Please donate here so this poor, poor player can enjoy 7k+1 maps like a good champ.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Tbh, I don’t like ?k+1 maps at all. They are really discomfortable to play, especially 5k+1. Like I can play 5k and 6k pretty well (I think, my limit is about 5.5* for 6k and 5.3* for 5k) but I can barely pass a 4.5* 5k+1 map for some reason
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abraker

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wrote:

but I can barely pass a 4.5* 5k+1 map for some reason
The extra notes on one side (the scratch column) causes the maps to feel like a balance scale tipped over, if that makes sense. It's also much harder to process patterns that have no relation inter-column in the first place since one of the ways we learn reading is based on how the notes in common patterns transition column to column. The scratch notes may have a stronger relation with audio, but not enough to help imo.
Flanster
nK+1 is eugh man
8369048
We need 1+5K+1(Ez2Dj) and 1+4K+1(SDVX, special skin needed) lol
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abraker
ok now you are just throwing numbers /s
Bobbias
So, to your comment about feeling lopsided. That's something that will probably go away if you were to concentrate on getting good enough on at that kind of key mode, the same way space bar for the middle column feels so foreign to players of 4k and 6k.

It's fine to not enjoy it, but dont confuse your lack of enjoyment with an objective argument that it is outright bad.
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abraker

Bobbias wrote:

It's fine to not enjoy it, but dont confuse your lack of enjoyment with an objective argument that it is outright bad.
Hey I can only tell my perspective of things, so it's important for others to weigh in their perspectives as well.

That said, objectively certain fingers will still under perform others even if it's by the smallest margins. The middle column doesn't feel as bad as the scratch notes because it's not one of the fingers with less independence trying to hit jacks.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

abraker wrote:

Bobbias wrote:

It's fine to not enjoy it, but dont confuse your lack of enjoyment with an objective argument that it is outright bad.
Hey I can only tell my perspective of things, so it's important for others to weigh in their perspectives as well.

That said, objectively certain fingers will still under perform others even if it's by the smallest margins. The middle column doesn't feel as bad as the scratch notes because it's not one of the fingers with less independence trying to hit jacks.


This, and also the fact that most of the time there won't be a note on the scratch bar really throw me off, since that finger of mine would stay in a relax mode rather than preparing for the notes to come
Bobbias

abraker wrote:

Hey I can only tell my perspective of things, so it's important for others to weigh in their perspectives as well.

That said, objectively certain fingers will still under perform others even if it's by the smallest margins. The middle column doesn't feel as bad as the scratch notes because it's not one of the fingers with less independence trying to hit jacks.


Thumb is weaker than other fingers in 5/7/9/10k, pinkies are both worse than the rest in 9/10k. It's just a thing that you need to learn to deal with imo. Good mappers should be able to understand what is doable and not for different skill levels in each key mode, and so there should realistically be less use of special column notes, or notes on the pinkie keys (in 9k) at middling difficulty levels. At high difficulty levels good mappers generally consider the heavy use of those weaker fingers as a way to make things just that much harder (and generally operate under the idea that by that point the weakness should be less pronounced due to the level of practice the player should have by then).
Full Tablet

Bobbias wrote:

Thumb is weaker than other fingers in 5/7/9/10k, pinkies are both worse than the rest in 9/10k. It's just a thing that you need to learn to deal with imo. Good mappers should be able to understand what is doable and not for different skill levels in each key mode, and so there should realistically be less use of special column notes, or notes on the pinkie keys (in 9k) at middling difficulty levels. At high difficulty levels good mappers generally consider the heavy use of those weaker fingers as a way to make things just that much harder (and generally operate under the idea that by that point the weakness should be less pronounced due to the level of practice the player should have by then).

From the answers in this thread https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/218201, it seems like there is no consensus in which keys to use for hitting the special lanes, some people use a pinky, other people use a thumb, and other people use a ring finger. What is actually the most common seems to be using a pinky instead of a second thumb.
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abraker

Bobbias wrote:

Thumb is weaker than other fingers in 5/7/9/10k
Thumb vs ring finger is interesting. Ring finger has significantly less finger independence than thumb, but can jack faster than thumb. Tho this is assuming no prior practice. I'm sure practicing with thumb would eventually allow it to jack equivalently to ring finger, tho I am not sure if it can jack faster than it when considering wrist.
Full Tablet

abraker wrote:

Bobbias wrote:

Thumb is weaker than other fingers in 5/7/9/10k
Thumb vs ring finger is interesting. Ring finger has significantly less finger independence than thumb, but can jack faster than thumb. Tho this is assuming no prior practice. I'm sure practicing with thumb would eventually allow it to jack equivalently to ring finger, tho I am not sure if it can jack faster than it when considering wrist.

You can also learn to alternate thumbs in spacebar to jack faster in the middle lane (specially in charts that have jacks in the middle lane as their gimmick). For example, you could have the special lane with your right thumb on RightAlt, and move the thumb a little so it can also help with playing the spacebar for the middle lane.
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abraker
Not when I have my right hand on numpad keys lol
ihauntwizards
you could try and sort you problems with reading by making the scratch lane really wide and increasing the line width between column 0 and 1 so you have a clear visual separation. You may also need to edit your combo numbers and judgements to add empty space before them (since for some reason it aligns on center with the whole lane even with special mode on). And if you want to jack faster with thumb you need to use less thumb motion and more wrist.
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