13:55 schwarzvgrune: u there?
14:00 Kruzon: yes
14:00 Kruzon: sorry was away
14:00 Kruzon: grune, i have 1 question
14:00 schwarzvgrune: ?
14:01 *Kruzon is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/718787 Tiara - be with you [Normal]]
14:01 Kruzon: 01:46:286 (106286|6) - actually starts on the blue line right?
14:02 schwarzvgrune: `actually i was thinking of modding it via irc chat
14:03 schwarzvgrune: 01:46:286 (106286|6) - this follows what? if guitar then its correct
14:03 Kruzon: oh that's also cool
14:03 Kruzon: correct?
14:03 Kruzon: you mean on the white or blue line
14:03 schwarzvgrune: 01:46:643 - yes, but then you need to add a note here. the pitch changes here.
14:03 schwarzvgrune: 01:46:286 (106286|6) - this on white line, correct already
14:04 Kruzon: try adjust it to beat snap divisor of 1/6
14:04 schwarzvgrune: 01:49:143 (109143|0,109500|5) - << exactly the same with this one
14:04 Kruzon: 01:46:167 (106167|6) - how about this placement
14:04 Kruzon: yes
14:04 Kruzon: i feared that i allocated it out of pattern rather than the right sound placement
14:05 schwarzvgrune:
http://puu.sh/iSw8I/6ee14a685a.jpg 4 pitch, should be snapped like that. but cuz its normal so just use the original snap
14:06 schwarzvgrune: but this is exactly the same though..
http://puu.sh/iSwbE/35cb0eb8e0.jpg so should be snapped
14:06 Kruzon: yes
14:06 schwarzvgrune: wrong, i mean a note after that LN should be added
14:07 Kruzon: this is suffice though 01:49:500 (109500|5) -
14:07 schwarzvgrune: 01:46:643 - there is guitar sound that is exactly the same with 01:49:500 (109500|5) -
14:07 schwarzvgrune: and also its neater right for pattern
14:08 schwarzvgrune:
http://puu.sh/iSwgQ/977e45721b.jpg14:08 schwarzvgrune: 01:52:714 (112714|4) - snap this until white lines, this is normal so no need for complex snap imo.
14:08 Kruzon: alright then
14:09 schwarzvgrune: if you want to follow this 01:52:714 (112714|4) - , then this one 01:53:429 (113429|3) - should be snapped 1/4 shorter than your current arrangement
14:09 schwarzvgrune: 00:17:714 - a new phase after 4 x 4/4, utilising 2 note is much more appropriate
14:09 Kruzon: it was 1/4 shorter last time
14:10 schwarzvgrune: i see
14:10 schwarzvgrune: maybe just snap it continuously for simplicity
14:10 Kruzon: thought of making it simple by connecting it to same length as upcoming ln
14:10 Kruzon: okay
14:10 schwarzvgrune: 00:14:857 - 4 x 4/4 phase. use 2 notes here?
14:10 schwarzvgrune: 00:20:572 - same reason
14:10 schwarzvgrune: 00:26:286 -
14:10 schwarzvgrune: 00:29:143 -
14:11 schwarzvgrune: 00:28:786 - adding a note here would be nice since the vocal pitch changes, to give emphasis imo
14:11 Kruzon: for this difficulty, i just mod apparent strong sound like this 00:15:572 (15572|5,15572|4) -
14:11 Kruzon: this kind of sound i gave 2 notes
14:11 schwarzvgrune: 00:29:143 (29143|4,29857|4,29857|2,30572|3,30929|0,31286|4,31286|6) - just that it looks neater with this one, pattern fits well
14:12 schwarzvgrune: yes i realise that
14:12 schwarzvgrune: though i think it would still be nice to give the emphasis
14:12 schwarzvgrune: but its up to you
14:12 Kruzon: i will follow your suggestion regarding 00:28:429 (28429|3) -
14:12 schwarzvgrune: my reason is that this song is very slow
14:12 schwarzvgrune: and the beat is very clearly emphasised
14:12 Kruzon: yes
14:12 Kruzon: i will follow vocal for better emphasizing the notes
14:12 schwarzvgrune: so the 4 x 4/4 is very different and thus mapping that would be nice imo, but then again this is just a suggestion
14:13 schwarzvgrune: 00:28:786 - yeah then add a note for those 2 red lines00:29:500 -
14:13 Kruzon: don't worry, just mod to your heart content
14:13 schwarzvgrune: 00:32:000 - also emphasis, same reason,
14:13 schwarzvgrune: 00:32:357 (32357|2,32714|2) - no reason to jack. revamp.
14:13 schwarzvgrune: move to 5 would be nice. pitch of the guitar is also different
14:14 schwarzvgrune:
http://puu.sh/iSwwD/4baa10bc4d.jpg14:14 schwarzvgrune: 00:34:857 (34857|4,34857|2,34857|6) - 3 notes here, imo, is not justified, the beat is not loud enough. emphasising with 2 notes are sufficient imo
14:15 schwarzvgrune: 00:37:000 (37000|5,37000|2,37357|1,37714|6) - background pitched beat emphasis, how about using 2 notes consistently here?
14:15 schwarzvgrune: 00:40:572 - 2 noet
14:15 Kruzon: fixed all
14:15 schwarzvgrune: these all are suggestions... dont take it for granted ;w;
14:16 schwarzvgrune: 00:43:429 (43429|6,44143|4,44143|1,44857|0) - use 2 notes for all here, to emphasise the beat and the vocal at the same time
14:16 schwarzvgrune: 00:46:286 - 2 notes, phase change, emphasis
14:16 schwarzvgrune: 00:49:143 - same
14:16 schwarzvgrune: 00:52:000 -
14:16 schwarzvgrune: 00:54:857 -
14:17 schwarzvgrune: 00:57:000 - use 2 notes? emphasise the different beat, this also gives variation. the song is slow, it would be nice if you could give emphasis on parts that is slightly diffeent than the other to vary the pattern as well
14:17 schwarzvgrune: 01:00:572 (60572|5,63429|5) - 2 notes
14:17 schwarzvgrune: 01:05:572 (65572|4,65572|2,65929|1,66286|6) - 2 notes for each here, emphasise the beat as well as the vocal
14:17 schwarzvgrune: 01:09:143 - use 2 notes
14:18 schwarzvgrune: 01:08:786 (68786|6) - how about change this into LN, to also express that sound you know what i mean. (so you express that sound as well as the vocal with this 1 note)
14:18 schwarzvgrune: 01:10:572 - oh no needs 2 here... this one is not suggestion. obvious emphasise
14:18 schwarzvgrune: 01:12:000 - this one 2 notes
14:19 schwarzvgrune: 01:13:429 (73429|5,74857|6) - 2 notes, emphasise on the BG pitched instrument / beat
14:20 schwarzvgrune: ignore placing here, but something like this would give much more emphasis
14:20 schwarzvgrune: 01:18:250 -
14:20 schwarzvgrune:
http://puu.sh/iSwL8/08696c0309.jpg14:20 schwarzvgrune: so adjust if you agree
14:20 schwarzvgrune: 01:22:357 (82357|6,82714|6) - no eason o jack, pitch is different, lower one move to 6
14:20 schwarzvgrune: or 5
14:21 schwarzvgrune: 01:23:072 - add a note to signify the vocal as well?
14:21 schwarzvgrune: 01:26:286 - this and so on until the end, if you agree, then use 2 notes for every 4 x 4/4 . at least to me its very obviously emphasised and i can tell the difference right away. if you utilise 2 notes on these parts as well it would give more emphasise and imo, would be easier to read.
14:22 schwarzvgrune: 01:32:000 - new phase, need 2.. either you like it or not ;w;
14:22 schwarzvgrune: 01:37:357 - add a note, vocal, same reason as earlier
14:22 schwarzvgrune: 101:40:214 -
14:24 schwarzvgrune: 01:46:286 (106286|6,109143|0) - adding another 1 sn would give more emphasise imo
14:24 schwarzvgrune: 01:57:714 (117714|1) - vocal? if yes extend another 2/4
14:24 schwarzvgrune: until red line
14:24 schwarzvgrune: 02:03:429 - guitar emphasis as well, better use 2
14:24 schwarzvgrune: 02:06:286 - new phase, use 2
14:25 schwarzvgrune: 02:19:857 (139857|6) - optional, extend this until next white note.
14:26 schwarzvgrune: 02:29:143 - new phase, add 1 more note
14:26 schwarzvgrune: 02:37:714 (157714|4,157714|6) - you use 2 here o.o surprisingly..
14:26 schwarzvgrune: so do that on other place as well would be better imo
14:26 Kruzon: i just learn today we can actually increase note density to emphasize the song based on vocal loudness as well
14:26 schwarzvgrune: 02:39:679 - add a note
14:26 schwarzvgrune: yes it is
14:27 schwarzvgrune: if you're mapping vocal o.o
14:27 schwarzvgrune: 02:40:572 - aadd another note, or 2 notes. chorus + new phase
14:27 schwarzvgrune: 02:40:393 - add a note too?
14:28 schwarzvgrune: 02:45:214 (165214|4,165572|3,165572|5,165929|6,166286|2,166643|3,167000|0,167000|2,167714|4,168072|3,168429|6,168429|4) - same as above i think, adjust if you agree
14:28 schwarzvgrune: 02:51:107 - add a note..?
14:28 schwarzvgrune: 02:52:000 - new phase, 2 or 3 notes.
14:28 schwarzvgrune: 02:53:072 - add 1 note
14:29 schwarzvgrune: and so on,
14:29 schwarzvgrune: maybe you can try adding and adjusting if you agree.
14:29 schwarzvgrune: tell me if you reject everything
14:29 schwarzvgrune: so i'll continue
14:29 Kruzon: no
14:29 Kruzon: i didnt reject
14:29 schwarzvgrune: the second half is similar with 1st half
14:29 schwarzvgrune: >_<"
14:29 Kruzon: yes
14:29 Kruzon: that's why
14:29 Kruzon: well
14:29 schwarzvgrune: ok then i'll wait <3
14:29 schwarzvgrune: you can update if there is any...
14:30 schwarzvgrune: then i'll recheck
14:30 schwarzvgrune: this is just a suggestion but why not make easy nm hard instead?
14:30 Kruzon: hmm
14:31 Kruzon: it felt like this map is at its limit
14:31 Kruzon: oh wait
14:31 Kruzon: but if i made 3 diff
14:31 Kruzon: then ill juse all your suggestion to normal?
14:31 Kruzon: lol
14:32 Kruzon: for now i agreed i should focus my density to emphasize
14:32 Kruzon: and i definitely agreed about the phase
14:32 Kruzon: so for this diff, i think new phase should at least have 2 notes
14:33 Kruzon: 1 note is weird
14:33 schwarzvgrune: well that is what i thought of
14:33 schwarzvgrune: 1 note is weird
14:33 schwarzvgrune: except if its normal
14:33 schwarzvgrune: sorry
14:33 schwarzvgrune: except if its easy
14:33 schwarzvgrune: where you just want to water down everything to fits the difficulty limit
14:33 Kruzon: yes
14:34 Kruzon: to be honest i want to make 3 diff
14:34 schwarzvgrune: do you like this song
14:34 schwarzvgrune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyID-UQi_bY14:34 Kruzon: but i hate the fact the hardest one wont even reach 2 stars
14:34 schwarzvgrune: i want to map it in the future.
14:34 schwarzvgrune: the hardest can be raised imo
14:34 Kruzon: thus normal and hard share the same tag
14:34 schwarzvgrune: can be raised to hard i think
14:34 Kruzon: i see
14:35 Kruzon: then it all goes to chord spamming
14:35 Kruzon: lol
14:35 schwarzvgrune: well but as long as its appropriate
14:35 schwarzvgrune: how about mapping the main vocal and vocal accompaniments as well?
14:35 Kruzon: that's what im doing
14:35 Kruzon: and for the current hard
14:35 Kruzon: i do notes layering
14:35 Kruzon: still not suffice tho
14:35 schwarzvgrune: not done yet o.o?
14:36 Kruzon: its done but
14:36 schwarzvgrune: i mean for hd
14:36 Kruzon: shiki change the offset one day
14:36 Kruzon: so some notes that has different snap
14:36 Kruzon: goes random
14:36 Kruzon: not some
14:36 Kruzon: but many
14:36 Kruzon: lol
14:36 Kruzon: previously the guitar stream in hard are mostly 1/6 and 1/12
14:37 Kruzon: now those notes are scattering around the world
14:37 Kruzon: idk
14:37 Kruzon: you know what
14:37 Kruzon: your modding tempted me to make a normal
14:37 Kruzon: and make this an easy
14:37 Kruzon: this is what i honestly though
14:38 Kruzon: all of them are mostly relevant to a normal
14:38 Kruzon: and ofc, it's reasonable
14:38 schwarzvgrune: i see o.o
14:38 schwarzvgrune: let me see what i can do for hd
14:38 Kruzon: hmm i hope i can somehow make the hard one a hard
14:38 schwarzvgrune: i'll try to spike it without overmap
14:39 Kruzon: grune
14:39 Kruzon: i dont mind if you gd it
14:39 Kruzon: if you want
14:39 Kruzon: just take my current hd as a base
14:40 Kruzon: well if its really decided i made 3 difficulties out of this
14:40 Kruzon: let me know if you want to gd the hard ones
14:41 schwarzvgrune: well apparently you can
14:42 schwarzvgrune: no need <3
14:42 schwarzvgrune: you can do it
14:42 schwarzvgrune: i believe in you >w<b
14:42 schwarzvgrune: here here look its becomes 2.56
14:42 Kruzon: alright then
14:42 schwarzvgrune: wait
14:42 schwarzvgrune: i'll upload
14:42 Kruzon: wtf
14:42 Kruzon: lol
14:42 Kruzon: sure lemme see
14:43 schwarzvgrune:
http://puu.sh/iSxIC/3b33a027e9.osu see the first 50 sec
14:43 schwarzvgrune: and IGNORE the placement
14:43 schwarzvgrune: i just add note randomly according to the emphasis
14:44 schwarzvgrune: 00:20:572 (20572|0,22000|5,22000|1,22000|3,22089|4,22179|3,22268|4,22357|1,22357|2,22357|3,22447|4,22536|3,22536|5,22625|4,22714|2,22714|3,22714|5,22714|6,22893|1,23072|4,23072|6,23072|2) - the part where you can spike
14:45 Kruzon: w
14:45 schwarzvgrune: i dont know how can you survive without spamming LN in this kind of song..
14:45 *Kruzon is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/719059 Tiara - be with you [7K HARD TEST]]
14:45 schwarzvgrune: i'd definitely use a lot of LN if it were me XD
14:46 Kruzon: yaa that should be more interesting
14:46 Kruzon: i think i was just being cautious
14:46 schwarzvgrune: lots of ppl hates LN
14:46 Kruzon: lack of confident as well probably
14:46 schwarzvgrune: well thats good i think
14:46 schwarzvgrune: not like me screwing up my first second map so badly
14:46 Kruzon: but still you are right this song fit well with rain of lns
14:46 schwarzvgrune: XD
14:46 Kruzon: nah
14:46 schwarzvgrune: RANK THIS OKAY!
14:46 schwarzvgrune: RANK THIS
14:47 schwarzvgrune: I LIKE THIS!
14:47 Kruzon: haha
14:47 Kruzon: usually i would just give up
14:47 Kruzon: but idk i think i want at least one ranked map
14:47 schwarzvgrune: you can do it!
14:47 Kruzon: so i will continue, slowly but steadily, hopefully
14:47 Kruzon: ayye thanks
14:48 Kruzon: 00:22:000 (22000|3,22000|5,22089|4,22179|3,22268|4,22357|3,22357|2,22447|4,22536|5,22536|3,22625|4,22714|2,22714|5,22714|3) -
14:48 Kruzon: holy shit
14:48 Kruzon: haha
14:48 schwarzvgrune: i can *help* you push through this
14:48 schwarzvgrune: well its appropriate though o.o
14:48 schwarzvgrune: there is a trill <3
14:48 schwarzvgrune: can adjust
14:48 Kruzon: yes
14:48 schwarzvgrune: make it stream probably
14:48 Kruzon: it's reasonable
14:49 Kruzon: hmm
14:49 schwarzvgrune: 00:22:893 (22893|1,23250|0) - the harpshichord sound still continues here, you can use 2 notes here as well
14:49 Kruzon: i will make a normal after all
14:49 schwarzvgrune: with that its already 2.57 so its a real hard o.o
14:50 Kruzon: yes
14:50 Kruzon: i
14:50 schwarzvgrune: do i post this on your thread?
14:50 Kruzon: need to somehow make a normal
14:50 schwarzvgrune: our conversation
14:50 Kruzon: with 2
14:50 Kruzon: yes
14:50 Kruzon: i will also credit you as well
14:50 schwarzvgrune: no need
14:50 Kruzon: you dont have any idea how much you help
14:50 schwarzvgrune: << im bad boi so i want kudosu XD
14:50 Kruzon: nah its my style
14:50 schwarzvgrune: but i tot u mad at me ;w;
14:50 schwarzvgrune: because of wrong mod
14:50 Kruzon: wtf
14:51 schwarzvgrune: the hd
14:51 Kruzon: hell no
14:51 Kruzon: i was just sad you delete it
14:51 schwarzvgrune: oh..
14:51 Kruzon: it felt like im the bad guy
14:51 schwarzvgrune: i save it...
14:51 Kruzon: lol