I think this rule should only apply to Cut versions of songs, while actual short songs do not apply to this rule entirely. I think it's fair that way.
dennischan wrote:
Could it be possible to have two cut-off times depending on whether the song was cut or not?
It could be written like this -
You must have a total beatmapset playtime of at least 1:45.This is to prevent ranking low effort beatmapsets which add little to the ranking section.
However, if your song is cut, it must have a total beatmapset playtime of at least 2:45.
The potential benefit of wording it like this can be to allow interesting, uncut songs to reach rank easily while banning any cut songs which do not have enough musical variety and complexity for a full spread.
Xierra wrote:
I think this rule should only apply to Cut versions of songs, while actual short songs do not apply to this rule entirely. I think it's fair that way.
eiri- wrote:
instead of limiting songs are are actually short like shining star, which had to be extended to reach 30 seconds, it would be better to have a limitation as to how much can be cut from a song. because tbh if you're cutting more than 50 or 70% of a song then it just feels blatantly disrespectful to the artists that put time into making the entire song, and misrepresentative of what the song actually is, like was stated multiple times on the uta intro ver thread.
Mordred wrote:
would rather add a rule / guideline like "you must not cut more than 70% of the original audio file", filler diffs aren't gonna solve anything
basically agree with noffy
Vulkin wrote:
Personally I dont like it cuz it would pretty much kill most R3 Music Box maps, even if theyre not that interesting
shardex wrote:
I guess this proposal should exclude songs compilations for more clarification (unless someone has a word for this)
Ephemeral wrote:
Establishing a minimum 'effort' cutoff via total beatmapset playtime addresses this issue, and ensures that every beatmapset that hits Ranked is at least offering players a reasonable variety of challenges to overcome.
My proposal would restrict but not kill short cuts, as short cuts of short songs are still allowed to an extent, and official cuts always allowed. The statistics ephemeral posted are for maps that wouldn't be ranked with his own proposaldennischan wrote:
yea it sounds like the Noffy proposal is flawed according to the clear statistics from eph's post. However, I can't think of a way forward since well both proposal have their downsides.
Eph's proposal will force 30s maps to get bloated content to fit this rule, while Noffy's proposal bans maps that the community enjoys and engages with. Maybe we should get more discussion before moving forwards, or maybe even finding a way to survey the wider public on the matter.
Noffy wrote:
dennischan wrote:
yea it sounds like the Noffy proposal is flawed according to the clear statistics from eph's post. However, I can't think of a way forward since well both proposal have their downsides.
Eph's proposal will force 30s maps to get bloated content to fit this rule, while Noffy's proposal bans maps that the community enjoys and engages with. Maybe we should get more discussion before moving forwards, or maybe even finding a way to survey the wider public on the matter.
My proposal would restrict but not kill short cuts, as short cuts of short songs are still allowed to an extent, and official cuts always allowed. The statistics ephemeral posted are for maps that wouldn't be ranked with his own proposal