As others have said, 30s is already incredibly short and barely passes for a “song”, making that any lower kinda sucks
Did I miss something xDUndeadCapulet wrote:
silly haruki logged into the wrong account again
celerih wrote:
I'd rather have that apply only to songs which do not have a longer ver available
MrSergio wrote:
no thanks
Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is shorter than 30 seconds.
Hold my beer brbSerizawa Haruki wrote:
As you said, changing the rule in order to allow songs shorter than 30 seconds to be ranked if it's an official release/tv size version would work because it would disallow artificial cuts of that length.
How about something likeEvery difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is shorter than 30 seconds.
Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is between 25 and 30 seconds long, in that case it must have a minimum drain time of 25 seconds.
The reason is that many songs happen to be just below 30 seconds, like 28 or 29. I have never seen a song that's 24 or less seconds long (except the meme one you linked).abraker wrote:
Then in the further future there will be a request to change it toEvery difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is between 20 and 30 seconds long, in that case it must have a minimum drain time of 20 seconds.
At the very least there needs to be justification why a minimum of 25 seconds should be allowed but not 20 or 24. Is this just to allow an exception due to recent events, or is there are legitimate reason why an official release 5 seconds shorter than what is allowable currently should be allowed but not any shorter than that?
2) Indicating an actual minimal length "25 seconds" opens up a door to future proposals trying to make it lower for whatever good or bad reasons the proposer may have. Wording it as "rounded up to the nearest 5th second" makes it far, far harder for someone to propose a rule change that allows a lower minimum drain time without changing the wording to include explicit lengths. Changing the wording of this to explicit lengths would jeopardize the point of this wording as stated in the 1st reason.Serizawa Haruki wrote:
The reason is that many songs happen to be just below 30 seconds, like 28 or 29.
This doesn't make sense to me because the goal isn't to allow songs of all lengths, the goal is to find a solution for those 28 or 29 second maps. Also, I don't understand your wording about the rounding up, what exactly is being rounded up? The minimum drain time? If yes, I don't see how that solves the issue of needing to extend songs for the sake of rankability. As I said, further proposals would most likely not go through because there are nearly no songs below 25 seconds and even if there were, these would be really rare and the community wouldn't wanna let them get rankedabraker wrote:
I propose to word it as such:Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds. In the case of official song releases, the drain time is rounded up to the nearest 5th second.
This way it would be:
19s -> 20s
20s -> 20s
21s -> 25s
22s -> 25s
23s -> 25s
24s -> 25s
25s -> 25s
26s -> 30s
27s -> 30s
28s -> 30s
29s -> 30s
30s -> 30s
... and so on
Wording it like this is better because:
1) It clearly gives the intent of the rule. Phrasing it in terms of rounding describes the point much better than explicitly stating the lengths. It is to allow music that are close to being 30s, as you said2) Indicating an actual minimal length "25 seconds" opens up a door to future proposals trying to make it lower for whatever good or bad reasons the proposer may have. Wording it as "rounded up to the nearest 5th second" makes it far, far harder for someone to propose a rule change that allows a lower minimum drain time without changing the wording to include explicit lengths. Changing the wording of this to explicit lengths would jeopardize the point of this wording as stated in the 1st reason.Serizawa Haruki wrote:
The reason is that many songs happen to be just below 30 seconds, like 28 or 29.
I chose 5 seconds because it's close to what the title of this proposal suggests. If lengths no shorter than 28 seconds is desired, then rounding up to the nearest 3 seconds is more suitable.Serizawa Haruki wrote:
This doesn't make sense to me because the goal isn't to allow songs of all lengths, the goal is to find a solution for those 28 or 29 second maps.
Not the minimum drain time, but the drain time of the map as reported by the game.Serizawa Haruki wrote:
Also, I don't understand your wording about the rounding up, what exactly is being rounded up? The minimum drain time?
While true, I don't see the harm in increasing the quality of the wording this way.Serizawa Haruki wrote:
As I said, further proposals would most likely not go through because there are nearly no songs below 25 seconds and even if there were, these would be really rare and the community wouldn't wanna let them get ranked
This whole rounding thing seems unnecessarily complicated though. Making it seem like the map has more drain time than it actually has is confusing and could cause misunderstandings. Doing the opposite (accepting maps that are between 25 and 30 seconds if they're official) seems simpler to me honestly. The number 25 was chosen because it's a round number unlike 27 or 28abraker wrote:
I chose 5 seconds because it's close to what the title of this proposal suggests. If lengths no shorter than 28 seconds is desired, then rounding up to the nearest 3 seconds is more suitable.Serizawa Haruki wrote:
This doesn't make sense to me because the goal isn't to allow songs of all lengths, the goal is to find a solution for those 28 or 29 second maps.Not the minimum drain time, but the drain time of the map as reported by the game.Serizawa Haruki wrote:
Also, I don't understand your wording about the rounding up, what exactly is being rounded up? The minimum drain time?While true, I don't see the harm in increasing the quality of the wording this way.Serizawa Haruki wrote:
As I said, further proposals would most likely not go through because there are nearly no songs below 25 seconds and even if there were, these would be really rare and the community wouldn't wanna let them get ranked
I have adjusted the wording to address the issues:Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds. In the case of official song releases, the drain time of the map as reported by the game is rounded up to the nearest 3rd second.