abraker wrote:
Ok this is a shipwreck. Let me voice my thoughts on each point.
I. - What does "secret" mean in this context? That elections will be conducted by some group of people secret from many denizens of OT? Hell no. Denizens must know when elections take place and be able to respond to them.
I.b. - Keyword "may". Which means not only denizens can choose, and furthermore doesn't specify it being specifically denizens of OT.
II. - ok
III.a. - How is denizenship determined? Historically, the OT Royal Society of Quality has automatically registered denizens for denizenship as soon as they meet the activeness requirement for joining the OT Royal Society of Quality, "You must have been present in the land of OT for no less than sixty days and have participated in this land's activities enough to present a ten page history of your participation". We'll need to discuss this separately.
III.b. - aka duel denizenship. ok. What does the "shall be stated in OTLaw" part mean?
III.c. - What does the "shall be stated in OTLaw" part mean?
IV. - What does the "shall be stated in OTLaw" part mean?
V. a) - At least a few denizens qualify for this. There should be a forgiveness clause.
V. b) - I would extend this only as far as G&R and GD tbh. We never had as bad of runins with other subforums.
VI. - Is this a duplicate of one of the first few points? This point needs clarification of its purpose.
VII. - And if there is not enough willing denizens for 7?
IX. - The OT Royal Society would like a word on this one.
X. - Ok, how about we group all the election related votes and organize the order of this whole thing? Many related points are scattered all over the place
IX. - "for no more than one year" smh
XII. a) - ok.
XII. b) - ehhhh unless anyone has anything to say about this.
XII. c) - At this point I have to ask what checks upon the OTParliament to do its job?
XII. d) - ok.
XII. e) - This should be headed by the members of OTParliament with connections to people with power to do so as granted by the overlords.
XII. f) - OT Royal Society of Quality shall be the sole entity responsible of managing the forum quality. The OT Royal Society of Quality shall also work with the OTParliament to accept members dedicated for managing forum quality.
XIII.a. - ok, but how and where does the OTParliament operate?
XIII.b. - ok.
XIII.c. - ok
XIII.d. - odd, but ok.
XIV. - ok
@Tad Fibonacci there is a weakly established unit of exchange as of right now, be it peppy coins or OT bucks, but I can see in the future that a more centralized system might be implemented. Currently a lot of the infrastructure for that is not in place and further discussion will need to happen to determine how everything will work.
I'll rework it, nevertheless, keep in mind that this is just the first part, not the entire constitution, and that a constitution is not law, that's for us to discuss afterwards.
Also I'll address some of the points you raised with suggestions.
I. Secret in this context means that your vote isn't open to the public, not that the election itself is secret, but maybe confidential would be a better word?
I.b will be changed to shall
II. Yeah, I agree, I can add that point, although I would question whether or how to qualify for denizenship should be stated in legislative rather than law.
III.b -IV: OTLaw is what should be our lawbook and more where politics come into place whereas the constitution functions more as statutes or guidelines for how the state works and so on. Seeing as we have no lawbook atm, this would be something to discuss later.
V.a Forgiveness clause suggestions are much appreciated. Maybe a plea is required?
V.b But that could change over time, if the constitution is going to remain over time, wouldn't it be better not to exclude specific forums just because of status today?
VI. This point has to do with the practical execution of an election, from how you can give your vote, what a voting bill should look like, how the results should be announced and so forth, which in itself contains so many details, I find it better to state those rules in a lawbook.
VII. The specific number could be changed, although I thought that 7 would be small enough, yet large enough that it could be feasible yet democratic. But by all means, could be lower.
IX. What do you suggest, that the royal society is allowed a tiebreaker in matters of parliament? That it's an independent organ? Please clarify.
X. Fair, it could be organised under subcategories so it's easier to navigate.
XI. It doesn't say for no more than one year, it says they're elected for one period, which doesn't mean they can't run again, rather that they have to run again to be re-elected.
XIII.a I think I'll clarify that and other purely structural points in other parts. I could include a section about meetings and so on here though.
I'm working on the judicial part of the constitution now which should solve some of the issues raised, but there's a reason why I like the input