@nikakis this wouldn't be making r3 edits unrankable, but p much only reason people are doing them rn is to avoid spread, not bc they rly like how it sounds. if they want to keep doing it bc they like r3 they are welcome to continue
this rule is gone wrote:
Your difficulties should all end at the same spot. Having a fully-mapped Normal/Hard and a half-mapped Easy just looks sloppy/lazy. A full Easy may look boring to you, but not to a player that can't handle the harder difficulties.
pishifat wrote:
so there's benefit for mapper quality of life, but maybe not for osu in general imo
it doesn't specify it has to be mapped on every difficulty just that it must be mapped in general (I literally re-read that rule before posting to be sure). If it's mapped only in insane, it's still mapped.CDFA wrote:
well looks like were gonna have to change that thenpishifat wrote:
@noffy im pretty sure the "you must map up to 80% of your map's mp3" rule counteracts that
yea but ppl gonna extand 4:xx songs with R3 music boxes so it's even worse imoNatsu wrote:
Reducing content for new and casual players is never good for a game.
i read that part but i idisagree with the logic you use to arrive at that fact that longer songs are not content for new playersUndeadCapulet wrote:
chatlog i had w/ pishi, highly encourage anyone worried about new players to read through it:
i feel like natsu/oko/etc. just aren't reading my posts at all atm, bc if they did they wouldn't be saying this is lowering content for new players. 4min diffs are not appropriate for new players. it's not content for them. if anything those types of diffs will be a turnoff bc of how draining it can be to play them. this proposal doesn't hinder newer players in any way, it will only be adding content for hard+ players.
Ah fair enough. I read that wrong then.Okoratu wrote:
i know im saying i'd prefer that over the possibility that there's even more stuff that is inaccessible to new players trying to get into the game or the average player
pishifat wrote:
if i were running osu and had i an interest in expanding its audience, i'd think this kind of change isnt very good. out of ranked maps selection, there would be a smaller fraction of content available for lowest level of players, alienating the potential future of hte game or something along those lines. the idea that new players are already alienated with 5+min songs, so being lenient with other lengths should be fine sounds more like a reason to remove approval from game dev perspective (which i'm not interested in doing).
yeah this seems the most reasonable at least from the suggestionsAncuL wrote:
I'm thinking more like this. since H is way more accessible than N. IX only is just too small imo. Since we are having problems with 4:30 maps, we don't need to do anything with anything below 4:00
- if the drain time is <4:00 your set's lowest diff must be normal or lower
- if the drain time is 4:00-5:00 your set's lowest diff must be hard or lower
- >5:00 can be anything
AncuL wrote:
- if the drain time is <4:00 your set's lowest diff must be normal or lower
- if the drain time is 4:00-5:00 your set's lowest diff must be hard or lower
- >5:00 can be anything
I'm thinking more like this. since H is way more accessible than N. IX only is just too small imo. Since we are having problems with 4:30 maps, we don't need to do anything with anything below 4:00
i tried to do that it didnt get received wellSaturnalize wrote:
It's only a minimum requirements for a map to get rank. If you really that carz about making a fullspread for 4+mins then there's no ine stopping you. The minimum requirements need to be reworked and the reason are already well stated by many user up there. However, I'm jot against fullspread either, it's harder to find modder for it than to map it after all.
Still on topic, ban mp3 manipulation to loophole duration requirements because it's literally ridiculous
CXu wrote:
I'd say add a minimum amount of diffs required for the spread as well in some way, so say minimum 3 diffs for maps <4:00, and minimum 2 diffs for maps <5:00. (Not sure how this would affect those Easy+Normal sets only though).
If you're mapping a 4min ballad you can get away with only a hard since Insane/Extra might not fit well with the song, and Easy/Normal aren't required.
This should make it so that easier difficulties for newer players are still created whenever slower songs that would fit lower diffs better are mapped as well.
Okoratu wrote:
Saturnalize wrote:
Still on topic, ban mp3 manipulation to loophole duration requirements because it's literally ridiculous
i tried to do that it didnt get received well