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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-11-26T07:02:45+00:00

Nokashi wrote:
Sinnyi's Rain
Sinnoh
00:03:884 (2,3) - Here I would suggest a slight distance buff to emphasize the stronger drums here better prioritising simple flow, don't need much movement on intro
00:10:260 (6,7) - Well the snare here is particularly strong, to be honest it would nice to add a dash here to better emphasize that back and forth movement does that
00:13:635 (5,1) - I'd swap the NC here, since the 00:14:009 (1) - is the followup sound to 00:13:635 (5) - , Making (5) the most prominent note out of the two sure
00:16:447 (4,1) - Would have expected to have the HDash here instead. I get that you follow the vocal peak here, however on the similar drum tick here 00:19:072 (3,1) - , there was an HDash. 00:16:447 (4) - has a high pitch, it's more interesting to follow vocal for idol songs
00:27:134 (5) - Would be nice to give this more of a tilt to give this movement more impact simple is fine
00:44:197 (3,4) - Personally I would group these 2 sounds together as a 1/2 slider since its a more held piano sound, and then follow up with three distinct circles here 00:44:572 (5,6,7) - , as you did so, however in order to properly differentiate these 2 sets of sounds i would suggest a small direction change or a distance buff on (4) - > (5) current pattern makes a nice buildup to 00:44:947 (7) - . There's also sounds on 4, 6 and 7. Since there's a lot, it's imo better to just simplify to a curve and prioritise the important one.
00:50:384 (3,4) - Consider making this a 1/1 slider as well to better match up 00:49:634 (1) - and add a HDash 00:50:197 (2,3) - instead to emphasize the cymbal sure
01:14:197 (2,3) - Dash would work nicely here as it is weaker version a previous vocal which was a HDash. If a dash feels too much for you then consider adding a direction change instead here! vocals are becoming weaker here though
01:31:822 (1,2) - I think just mapping the passive 1/2 here as 2 sliders is enough to express this part's vocal and also offer more snappy 1/2 movements! changed rhythms
Divine Cake wrote:
[notice]Sinniy's Rain
00:01:447 (5) - i would have this more C-shaped, its a bit uncomfortable to hit the tail as it is now. sure
00:07:447 (5,6,7,8,9) - why not have this whole thing be a 1/8 stream? the slider on the end sticks a bit out. would alternatively move 9 to x:128 and tilt i more to the left so you make it stand out a bit more together with the percussion, but feel thats a bit hard for a rain. cuz there's percussion on the 1/4 and that undermaps it otherwise
00:27:134 (5) - imo tilt more to the left. sure
00:41:572 (4,5) - feel this spacing is a bit low compared to 00:41:197 (3,4) - would increase a bit. spacing is already bigger on the second lul
00:44:384 (4,5,6,7) - why not have a wiggle starting on 5? something like 5 on x:256, 6 on x: 144 and 7 on x:291. explained alr
01:17:947 (4,5,6,7) - spacing might be a bit high? i felt it went a bit fast atleast. this is walkable

thanks guys!

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Title:Angelic Angel (Movie Edit)
TitleUnicode:Angelic Angel (Movie Edit)
Artist:u's
ArtistUnicode:μ's
Creator:Xetopia
Version:Sinnyi's Rain
Source:ラブライブ！ The School Idol Movie
Tags:love live project 高坂穂乃果 Kousaka Honoka 園田海未 Sonoda Umi 南ことり Minami Kotori 矢澤にこ Yazawa Niko Nico 絢瀬絵里 Ayase Eri Eli 東條希 Toujou Nozomi 西木野真姫 Nishikino Maki 小泉花陽 Koizumi Hanayo 星空凛 Hoshizora Rin 新田恵海 Nitta Emi 三森すずこ Mimori Suzuko 内田彩 Uchida Aya 徳井青空 Tokui Sora 南條愛乃 Nanjou Yoshino 楠田亜衣奈 Kusuda Aina 堀絵梨子 Hori Eriko Pile 久保ユリカ Kubo Yurika 飯田里穂 Iida Riho Muse Sinnoh Sanyi
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Sanyi

236 posts

Joined November 2015

Sanyi 2017-11-30T14:48:53+00:00

Sinnyi's Rain

Sanyi

00:29:572 (4) - Would have expected more movement here, based on the fact that this sound is the same as 00:29:947 (5) - ( And both of them are pretty strong piano notes!). Naturally, 00:29:572 (4) - should retain the same movement as 00:29:947 (5) - Applied, even though I needed to move around things quite a bit to keep the hyper afterwards
00:35:197 (2,3) - Cool place for a HDash considering both guitar and vocal strength. Right now it seems a bit underemphasized to me Added hyper
00:38:665 (5,6,7) - Here you lower the DS even though the drum just keeps getting stronger. I feel like theres a better way to map the drums here I understand your point but the current pattern is easy to read and catch while still emphasizing the drums with that remarkable stream shape, therefore I keep it for now. If another modder complains too about that the increasing drum intensity should be emphasized better I'll consider changing it
00:56:197 (2,3,4,5,6) - I find this really weak as a movement in the sense that the strong drum triple isnt accentuated as much as I would have liked Added more movement here
00:59:572 (4,5) - I feel like you mixed up your rhythm choices here. Let me explain!
1. 00:57:322 (1,2) - Here you switched either on vocals or on the xylophone sound thats also present on 00:59:572 (4,5) - which you emphasized as sliders.
2. However you didnt follow up on your idea of following either vocal or xylophone, and ended up following a weird mix of vocals and drums.
  How to fix this now!
3. If you want to follow the xylophone, then the ideal rhythm would be this
4. If you want to follow the vocals, then the ideal rhythm imo would be this, Which i dont really recommend since the vocals arent that impactful here
5. Lastly if you want to follow the drums, the rhythm would be this, With dashes or HDashes on (5)->(6) and (8)->(9)
  All screenshots above start on 00:57:322 - ! I picked the xylophone
01:01:634 (1,2,3,4) - Really barebones rhythm imo unfit for the buildup to the kiai. Here's what I would recommend with ticker starting on 01:02:197 - . Make sure to emphasize the snares correctly! Applied
01:26:384 (3,4) - This is too impactful for the sound its representing and its also the first time a movment like this is introduced. Would have just kept it as normal triple I literally waited for someone to point this out so fixed xD
01:47:197 (3,4) - More emphasis would have been nice here! something like a dash Made it a hyper to make it similar to 01:53:197 (2,1) -

Cool rain actually! Thanks, always nice to hear that!

Huge thanks for your mod!

Sinnyi's Rain (with updates from Sinnoh included

osu file format v14

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Title:Angelic Angel (Movie Edit)
TitleUnicode:Angelic Angel (Movie Edit)
Artist:u's
ArtistUnicode:μ's
Creator:Xetopia
Version:Sinnyi's Rain
Source:ラブライブ！ The School Idol Movie
Tags:love live project 高坂穂乃果 Kousaka Honoka 園田海未 Sonoda Umi 南ことり Minami Kotori 矢澤にこ Yazawa Niko Nico 絢瀬絵里 Ayase Eri Eli 東條希 Toujou Nozomi 西木野真姫 Nishikino Maki 小泉花陽 Koizumi Hanayo 星空凛 Hoshizora Rin 新田恵海 Nitta Emi 三森すずこ Mimori Suzuko 内田彩 Uchida Aya 徳井青空 Tokui Sora 南條愛乃 Nanjou Yoshino 楠田亜衣奈 Kusuda Aina 堀絵梨子 Hori Eriko Pile 久保ユリカ Kubo Yurika 飯田里穂 Iida Riho Muse Sinnoh Sanyi
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autofanboy

Elite Mapper / osu!trivium Champion

1,576 posts

Joined January 2011

autofanboy 2017-12-24T12:19:09+00:00

Hello! As requested. No kudosu.

█ Optional to change --- █ Suggested to change --- █ Unrankable

[

General]

Hitsounds

Remove the "soft-sliderslide" hitsound.

[

Cup]

Gameplay
In general, I think the usage of 1/2 patterns are quite a lot, maybe reduce most of them as to reduce the note density as a Cup. Moreover, the patterns are quite random, most likely because you used quite a lot of doublets in the Cup. I think they are fine in the chorus part but in the build-ups, it is more recommended to use mostly 1/1 patterning.

00:02:947 (3) - Maybe remove this and increase the distance between 00:02:384 (2) - and 00:03:134 (1) - ?
00:04:822 (1,2) - Shouldn't this mapped like 00:01:822 (1,2) - ? They are the same in rhythm. Also it is too late for 00:05:947 (2) - to end there, would sound more matching if it is placed on 00:05:759 - .
00:08:572 (2) - Too dense here, remove the reverse so to leave a 1/1 distance between this and the next note. In addition, 00:07:822 (1,2) - is also the same as 00:10:822 (1,2) - , so it is better to map similarly for both parts (with almost the same timeline)
00:17:384 (4) - Too dense, remove this?
00:29:009 (5) - ^ undo the reverse.
I basically think that the 1/2 streams with 4 objects should be used sparingly, otherwise it is too dense to read by beginners. The 4-object 1/2 streams can be used on more important parts like 00:06:134 (1,2,3,4) - and ones in Kiai Time. I think they can be omitted as the map has quite a lot of doublets to be fair.
00:37:259 (2) - Make this inclined more to the vertical.
01:11:197 (2,3,4,1) - Maybe move (4) a bit more to the right, possibly x:368. I think it is weird that (3,4) is smaller than (2,3) in terms of spacing. And then move 01:10:447 (5,1,2,3,4) - altogether to the left slightly so the distance of 01:11:947 (4,1) - is not too far.
01:30:322 (1,2,1) - The pattern here is quite random, also it is unexpected to see a direction change at 01:31:072 (2,1) - . Maybe think of a pattern that has better flow than this.
01:36:322 (1,2) - Possibly map this like 01:39:322 (1,2,3) - ?
01:41:009 (1,1) - Since most bananas in the spinner are at the right, maybe you can start the coming note at the right, namely 01:42:322 (1) - . It will be too hard for beginners otherwise.
01:53:947 (6,7) - How about increasing the distance here a little, in order to emphasize the strong cymbal at (7)?

[

Salad]

Gameplay
After testplaying, the Salad is actually quite challenging for newcomers, with the following reasons: high SV (sliders with dash afterwards), ambiguous distances (not sure whether to jump or not) and anti-flow.

00:00:322 (1,2,3,4,5) - Maybe flip (1,2) horizontally? Also, note that 00:01:447 (5,1) - is catchable without dashing, so you may want to move 00:00:322 (1,2,3,4,5) - entirely to the left until the dash is made.
00:01:822 (1,2,3,1) - Ambiguous distances in between every notes here, while they can be fetched without dashing, I think it is better to reduce the distances for walking, and increase the ones for dashing. In this case, this can be done: *Screenshot so 00:03:134 (1) - is actually emphasized by the dash. You will have to change the pattern at 00:03:884 (2,3) - in order to keep the dash at 00:04:259 (3,1) - while making the pattern simple.
00:04:259 (3,1) - It will be challenging to new players if the next note after dashing is a horizontal slider pointing backward like (1). Maybe curve (1) to make it easier, like *Screenshot The part after this, namely 00:05:384 (2,3) - will be changed as well for better flow.
00:08:572 (3,4) - ^
00:09:697 (5,6,7,1) - Ambiguous distance, would be better if you reduce the distances between (5,6,7) and then increase (7,1). Also, the movement like 00:10:072 (6,7,1) - is really difficult for players to turn, because players tend to move left after catching (6,7). Perhaps you can change the pattern that 00:10:072 (6) - is actually on the left.
00:10:822 (1,2) - These sliders have high SV during gameplay, I find myself holding the keys to catch them.
00:14:384 (8,9,10,1) - Really? Too many back and forth and it is quite confusing (not sure whether to dash or not). And usage of dash-holding in a Salad is highly NOT recommended.
00:16:072 (4,5,1,2,3) - Anti-flow example, would've expected (1) to begin at the right here, and then the movement at 00:16:634 (1,2,3) - is anti-flow like 00:10:072 (6,7,1) - mentioned.
00:20:009 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - Same thing as 00:14:384 (8,9,10,1) - though they can be caught without dashing, I think you should place the notes in better flow so players will know when to dash and it will be easier for them to follow the rhythm by tapping dash at correct beats. So in this way, 00:20:384 (4,5) - should have distance reduced, and then 00:20:947 (6,7) - should be the only dash in order to emphasize the instrumental sound at (7).

I think Salad needs some more checking before pushing forward. Basically you can review it once and fix most of the issues with regard to the reasons listed.

[

Platter]

Gameplay

00:01:259 (4,5) - Probably not a good spot to put hyperdash, maybe just leave a dash? Or better, add hyperdash at 00:01:447 (5,1) - , but it is hard to do so because 1/1 hyperdash may be difficult to employ.
00:14:384 (8,1,2,1) - Can be difficult, maybe less left-righting? Or even better, remove the hyperdash, then make (8,1,2) simple and try to add the hyperdash at 00:14:947 (2,1) - instead.
00:20:197 (2,3,4,5) - Anti-flow x.x Make these easier? Actually a dash at 00:20:947 (4,5) - would be enough here, the others can be simpler.
00:39:322 (1,2,3,1) - ^, the pattern is too strange. Also the sharp turning at (2,3) is meh, change this pattern maybe.
00:42:322 (1,2,3) - ^
00:50:009 (2,3) - Maybe remove the hyperdash here, feels too dense with hyperdashes at this point.
01:05:384 (3,4,5,1) - Same thing, also why not hyperdash at (4,5)?
01:11:197 (2,3,4,1) - Reduce the distance after the hyperdash, so players don't always have to hold their dash key at certain time.
01:23:197 (2,3,4,1) - ^

[

Sinnyi's Rain]

Gameplay

00:01:072 (3,4) - How about lowering the distance here? Expected to walk and it turns out to be an edge case.
00:38:197 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - The shape of the stream is quite strange, maybe change it a little?
01:29:759 (5,6,7,8,9) - Better if it is made into a curve stream, (7,8,9) doesn't favor the hyperdash in my opinion.

Good Rain.

[

Angel]

Gameplay

00:14:572 (8,9,1) - How about the distance of (9,1) is made larger than (8,9)? (1) is more prominent there.
00:22:634 (1,2,3) - How about (3) is placed at 00:22:634 - on the position of x:128 [position of (1)] while (1) is placed at 00:23:384 - on the position of (3)? It feels better in flow.
01:23:572 (3,4,1) - Same as 00:14:572 (8,9,1) - .

I may do a recheck on this difficulty later, but currently it seems fine.

I think the Salad still need some polishing.
Good luck!

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-12-24T13:34:40+00:00

alienflybot wrote:
[ Sinnyi's Rain]

Gameplay
00:01:072 (3,4) - How about lowering the distance here? Expected to walk and it turns out to be an edge case. Wanted a small jump for drum, but nerfed a little
00:38:197 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - The shape of the stream is quite strange, maybe change it a little? It's so cute though D: D: D:
Good Rain.

Thank you for checking this!

@Sanyi move 00:00:321 (1,3) - to x288

Sanyi

236 posts

Joined November 2015

Sanyi 2017-12-24T15:25:23+00:00

alienflybot wrote:
[ Sinnyi's Rain]

Gameplay
00:38:197 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - The shape of the stream is quite strange, maybe change it a little? I don't see a problem with it since it plays well in my opinion, but if you think it is better to change it and provide a good alternative I might change it anyways.
01:29:759 (5,6,7,8,9) - Better if it is made into a curve stream, (7,8,9) doesn't favor the hyperdash in my opinion. Done

Good Rain. Nice to hear that!

Thanks for the mod!

Updated diff with Sinnoh's change included

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Xetopia

240 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Xetopia 2017-12-25T09:33:44+00:00

alienflybot wrote:
[ General]

Hitsounds
Remove the "soft-sliderslide" hitsound - fixed

[ Cup]

Gameplay
In general, I think the usage of 1/2 patterns are quite a lot, maybe reduce most of them as to reduce the note density as a Cup. Moreover, the patterns are quite random, most likely because you used quite a lot of doublets in the Cup. I think they are fine in the chorus part but in the build-ups, it is more recommended to use mostly 1/1 patterning.
00:02:947 (3) - Maybe remove this and increase the distance between 00:02:384 (2) - and 00:03:134 (1) - ? - yep, agree
00:04:822 (1,2) - Shouldn't this mapped like 00:01:822 (1,2) - ? They are the same in rhythm. Also it is too late for 00:05:947 (2) - to end there, would sound more matching if it is placed on 00:05:759 - . - fixed
00:08:572 (2) - Too dense here, remove the reverse so to leave a 1/1 distance between this and the next note. In addition, 00:07:822 (1,2) - is also the same as 00:10:822 (1,2) - , so it is better to map similarly for both parts (with almost the same timeline) - i agree
00:17:384 (4) - Too dense, remove this? - yea
00:29:009 (5) - ^ undo the reverse. - yep
I basically think that the 1/2 streams with 4 objects should be used sparingly, otherwise it is too dense to read by beginners. The 4-object 1/2 streams can be used on more important parts like 00:06:134 (1,2,3,4) - and ones in Kiai Time. I think they can be omitted as the map has quite a lot of doublets to be fair.
00:37:259 (2) - Make this inclined more to the vertical. - yep
01:11:197 (2,3,4,1) - Maybe move (4) a bit more to the right, possibly x:368. I think it is weird that (3,4) is smaller than (2,3) in terms of spacing. And then move 01:10:447 (5,1,2,3,4) - altogether to the left slightly so the distance of 01:11:947 (4,1) - is not too far. - fixed
01:30:322 (1,2,1) - The pattern here is quite random, also it is unexpected to see a direction change at 01:31:072 (2,1) - . Maybe think of a pattern that has better flow than this. - yep, reworked
01:36:322 (1,2) - Possibly map this like 01:39:322 (1,2,3) - ? yea
01:41:009 (1,1) - Since most bananas in the spinner are at the right, maybe you can start the coming note at the right, namely 01:42:322 (1) - . It will be too hard for beginners otherwise. - moved to the right side and made slider a horizontal
01:53:947 (6,7) - How about increasing the distance here a little, in order to emphasize the strong cymbal at (7)? - it would be niceб i i guess

[ Salad]

Gameplay
After testplaying, the Salad is actually quite challenging for newcomers, with the following reasons: high SV (sliders with dash afterwards), ambiguous distances (not sure whether to jump or not) and anti-flow.
00:00:322 (1,2,3,4,5) - Maybe flip (1,2) horizontally? Also, note that 00:01:447 (5,1) - is catchable without dashing, so you may want to move 00:00:322 (1,2,3,4,5) - entirely to the left until the dash is made. - fixed
00:01:822 (1,2,3,1) - Ambiguous distances in between every notes here, while they can be fetched without dashing, I think it is better to reduce the distances for walking, and increase the ones for dashing. In this case, this can be done: *Screenshot so 00:03:134 (1) - is actually emphasized by the dash. You will have to change the pattern at 00:03:884 (2,3) - in order to keep the dash at 00:04:259 (3,1) - while making the pattern simple. - reworked patterns
00:04:259 (3,1) - It will be challenging to new players if the next note after dashing is a horizontal slider pointing backward like (1). Maybe curve (1) to make it easier, like *Screenshot The part after this, namely 00:05:384 (2,3) - will be changed as well for better flow. - yep fixed
00:08:572 (3,4) - ^ - ^
00:09:697 (5,6,7,1) - Ambiguous distance, would be better if you reduce the distances between (5,6,7) and then increase (7,1). Also, the movement like 00:10:072 (6,7,1) - is really difficult for players to turn, because players tend to move left after catching (6,7). Perhaps you can change the pattern that 00:10:072 (6) - is actually on the left. - remaped pattern
00:10:822 (1,2) - These sliders have high SV during gameplay, I find myself holding the keys to catch them. - made sliders vertical
00:14:384 (8,9,10,1) - Really? Too many back and forth and it is quite confusing (not sure whether to dash or not). And usage of dash-holding in a Salad is highly NOT recommended. - I have no ideas how to fix this, but I will try
00:16:072 (4,5,1,2,3) - Anti-flow example, would've expected (1) to begin at the right here, and then the movement at 00:16:634 (1,2,3) - is anti-flow like 00:10:072 (6,7,1) - mentioned. - agree
00:20:009 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - Same thing as 00:14:384 (8,9,10,1) - though they can be caught without dashing, I think you should place the notes in better flow so players will know when to dash and it will be easier for them to follow the rhythm by tapping dash at correct beats. So in this way, 00:20:384 (4,5) - should have distance reduced, and then 00:20:947 (6,7) - should be the only dash in order to emphasize the instrumental sound at (7). - fixed

I think Salad needs some more checking before pushing forward. Basically you can review it once and fix most of the issues with regard to the reasons listed.

[ Platter]

Gameplay
00:01:259 (4,5) - Probably not a good spot to put hyperdash, maybe just leave a dash? Or better, add hyperdash at 00:01:447 (5,1) - , but it is hard to do so because 1/1 hyperdash may be difficult to employ. - yes, difficult to make 1/1 hyperdash, but i'll think
00:14:384 (8,1,2,1) - Can be difficult, maybe less left-righting? Or even better, remove the hyperdash, then make (8,1,2) simple and try to add the hyperdash at 00:14:947 (2,1) - instead. - to make 1/1 hyperdash need to use full screen. So I don't think it's a good idea
00:20:197 (2,3,4,5) - Anti-flow x.x Make these easier? Actually a dash at 00:20:947 (4,5) - would be enough here, the others can be simpler.
- ok, i'll try make easier
00:39:322 (1,2,3,1) - ^, the pattern is too strange. Also the sharp turning at (2,3) is meh, change this pattern maybe. - kyaa? I specifically refused to sliders, to better emphasize the strong sounds. I think it better conveys the music imo.
00:42:322 (1,2,3) - ^ - ^
00:50:009 (2,3) - Maybe remove the hyperdash here, feels too dense with hyperdashes at this point. - maybe, maybe, but i dunno
01:05:384 (3,4,5,1) - Same thing, also why not hyperdash at (4,5)? - nowhere to put hyperdash. If I put in the edge of the screen (5) then we get 1/1 hyperdash
01:11:197 (2,3,4,1) - Reduce the distance after the hyperdash, so players don't always have to hold their dash key at certain time. - ok
01:23:197 (2,3,4,1) - ^ - ok

[ Angel]

Gameplay
00:14:572 (8,9,1) - How about the distance of (9,1) is made larger than (8,9)? (1) is more prominent there. - ok
00:22:634 (1,2,3) - How about (3) is placed at 00:22:634 - on the position of x:128 [position of (1)] while (1) is placed at 00:23:384 - on the position of (3)? It feels better in flow. - ok
01:23:572 (3,4,1) - Same as 00:14:572 (8,9,1) - . - ok

I may do a recheck on this difficulty later, but currently it seems fine.

I think the Salad still need some polishing.
Good luck! - Thanks!

Thanks for the mod! <3 <3

Sanyi

236 posts

Joined November 2015

Sanyi 2018-01-18T16:42:45+00:00

NM we agreed on through discord.

Note: For the timeline pictures I posted: Every picture starts at the same point as the bullet point starts with!

Kudosu only when helpful!

General

Unnecessary green line at 00:00:322 - in every diff except for Cup (the one in Platter is unnecessary as well - the only thing it does there is changing the slider velocity, but you haven't placed any sliders until the next green line so yeah xD). Please delete this green line in the mentioned diffs.

Cup

00:07:634 - Only optional: You can place here a note to emphasize the strong piano. You don't need to do it since your current way emphasizes the guitar very well. If you decide to not place a note here I suggest to make the distance between 00:07:447 (5,1) - bigger to emphasize the piano at least with a high spacing.
00:09:134 (3) - Add a NC here to avoid a too large combo for Cup.
00:18:322 (1,2,1) - I would prefer to see here a timeline like *this* or *that*.
00:21:322 (5) - NC should be on this note instead of 00:21:697 (1) - since following the downbeats with the NCs is far more consistent than following the vocal.
00:23:197 (2,3) - Another questionable timeline since you completely ignore the strong vocal on 00:23:384 - . I think a timeline like *this* works better.
00:25:259 - Leaving out another vocal here is unsatisfying in my opinion. Also: Putting the very strong sound at 00:25:634 - on a sliderend is underemphasized in my opinion. My solution for that? Try out *this* timeline. Also do that NC I did in the picture!
00:28:634 (4) - Make NC here.
00:29:384 - Maybe add a note here for the vocal?
00:30:322 (1,2,3,4,1) - This timeline is a bit AAAAAA since only using single notes here doesn't really emphasize anything. I suggest to 00:30:322 (1,2) - to a slider and to combine 00:31:072 (3,4) - with a normal slider or a reverse slider (you are leaving out the sound on 00:31:259 - completely atm).
00:32:572 (4,5) - I think 00:32:947 (5) - should be more emphasized because the the sound is very strong here, what about extending 00:32:572 (4) - to a 1/2 slider and making a big gap towards 00:32:947 (5) - to achieve that?
00:34:259 - Another strong drum sound you haven't mapped, you could combine 00:34:072 (4,5) - to a normal slider to emphasize the holding vocal and to not completely leave out that drum sound.
00:35:197 (2,3) - This is completely inconsistent in itself - you completely left out the drum sound at 00:35:009 - to emphasize the vocal at 00:35:197 -
better, but then you decide to leave out the vocal at 00:36:134 - which is against your previous decision to focus on the vocal. Please make a clear decision on what you want to emphasize here and place the notes that way.
00:37:259 (2) - The sound on 00:37:634 - is very strong so it shouldn't be on a sliderend. Shorten the silder to a normal 1/2 slider and making a single note for 00:37:634 - will seal the deal. Make sure to make a quite big gap between the slider and the single note. Please put also a NC on the single note then.
00:38:572 (4,5) - I would somehow combine these notes since the music is building up here and you miss out on the drum sounds that are inbetween these two notes. I would go for a reverse slider.
00:40:259 (1) - Since the downbeat is on 00:40:447 - I would put the NC on 00:41:197 (2) - instead because making a NC right before a downbeat is not very rhythmic.
00:41:197 (2,3,4) - Just an idea: Why not combining these three notes to one big reverse slider? Would be a nice emphasis imo.
00:43:259 (1) - Same as 00:40:259 (1) - .
00:46:447 (2,3) - I would combine these two to a slider to distinguish the vocal sounds from the drum sound with your pattern.
00:49:447 - Leaving out this sound while mapping 00:48:884 (2,3,4) - is inconsistent, please map it as well (you can also make these 4 into one slider but that's up to you, single notes and a slider work here).
00:50:384 (1) - Nice idea to put a NC here for emphasis, but I think it is overdone fur a Cup diff and would delete it.
00:52:447 (4) - Add NC please.
00:55:447 (1,2,3,4,5) - Another section that has got only single notes which is emphasis-wise not really effective, the map should get more dense starting from 00:56:197 (3) - until 00:56:947 (5) - to emphasize the drum better. I would combine 00:56:197 (3,4) - to a reverse slider and add a single note at 00:56:759 - .
00:58:259 (3) - The slider doesn't start on an important sound so I would just make a single note at 00:58:447 - instead.
00:59:384 (3) - Same as 00:58:259 (3) - (the vocal is not important enough imo since you also decided to leave out some drum sounds as well).

Lemme stop here for now. I think I wrote enough to make clear that there are inconsistencies throughout the whole diff as well as poor emphasis choices. I didn't even comment about flow and spacing because that would be too much.

As I said we can come together and talk a bit about some general stuff because pointing out everything in every diff is not really effective at this point. As I said: Cup and Salad do have the most flaws, Platter and Angel are already better (which doesn't mean perfect but definetly better).

But don't get discouraged! Your Cup and Salad diffs show that you know how to emphasize stuff and to map consistently, you just need to improve at these things!

Xetopia

240 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Xetopia 2018-01-19T09:46:23+00:00

Sanyi wrote:

NM we agreed on through discord.

Note: For the timeline pictures I posted: Every picture starts at the same point as the bullet point starts with!

Kudosu only when helpful!

General
Unnecessary green line at 00:00:322 - in every diff except for Cup (the one in Platter is unnecessary as well - the only thing it does there is changing the slider velocity, but you haven't placed any sliders until the next green line so yeah xD). Please delete this green line in the mentioned diffs.
Cup
00:07:634 - Only optional: You can place here a note to emphasize the strong piano. You don't need to do it since your current way emphasizes the guitar very well. If you decide to not place a note here I suggest to make the distance between 00:07:447 (5,1) - bigger to emphasize the piano at least with a high spacing.
00:09:134 (3) - Add a NC here to avoid a too large combo for Cup.
00:18:322 (1,2,1) - I would prefer to see here a timeline like *this* or *that*.
00:21:322 (5) - NC should be on this note instead of 00:21:697 (1) - since following the downbeats with the NCs is far more consistent than following the vocal.
00:23:197 (2,3) - Another questionable timeline since you completely ignore the strong vocal on 00:23:384 - . I think a timeline like *this* works better.
00:25:259 - Leaving out another vocal here is unsatisfying in my opinion. Also: Putting the very strong sound at 00:25:634 - on a sliderend is underemphasized in my opinion. My solution for that? Try out *this* timeline. Also do that NC I did in the picture! - I totally agree with you, but in the cup it will look overdone
00:28:634 (4) - Make NC here.
00:29:384 - Maybe add a note here for the vocal? - pretty weak vocals, I think it can be ignored
00:30:322 (1,2,3,4,1) - This timeline is a bit AAAAAA since only using single notes here doesn't really emphasize anything. I suggest to 00:30:322 (1,2) - to a slider and to combine 00:31:072 (3,4) - with a normal slider or a reverse slider (you are leaving out the sound on 00:31:259 - completely atm).
00:32:572 (4,5) - I think 00:32:947 (5) - should be more emphasized because the the sound is very strong here, what about extending 00:32:572 (4) - to a 1/2 slider and making a big gap towards 00:32:947 (5) - to achieve that?
00:34:259 - Another strong drum sound you haven't mapped, you could combine 00:34:072 (4,5) - to a normal slider to emphasize the holding vocal and to not completely leave out that drum sound.
00:35:197 (2,3) - This is completely inconsistent in itself - you completely left out the drum sound at 00:35:009 - to emphasize the vocal at 00:35:197 -
better, but then you decide to leave out the vocal at 00:36:134 - which is against your previous decision to focus on the vocal. Please make a clear decision on what you want to emphasize here and place the notes that way. - if in this case the vocals then mapped 00:36:322 (1) - will not be enough emphasized
00:37:259 (2) - The sound on 00:37:634 - is very strong so it shouldn't be on a sliderend. Shorten the silder to a normal 1/2 slider and making a single note for 00:37:634 - will seal the deal. Make sure to make a quite big gap between the slider and the single note. Please put also a NC on the single note then.
00:38:572 (4,5) - I would somehow combine these notes since the music is building up here and you miss out on the drum sounds that are inbetween these two notes. I would go for a reverse slider.
00:40:259 (1) - Since the downbeat is on 00:40:447 - I would put the NC on 00:41:197 (2) - instead because making a NC right before a downbeat is not very rhythmic.
00:41:197 (2,3,4) - Just an idea: Why not combining these three notes to one big reverse slider? Would be a nice emphasis imo.
00:43:259 (1) - Same as 00:40:259 (1) - .
00:46:447 (2,3) - I would combine these two to a slider to distinguish the vocal sounds from the drum sound with your pattern.
00:49:447 - Leaving out this sound while mapping 00:48:884 (2,3,4) - is inconsistent, please map it as well (you can also make these 4 into one slider but that's up to you, single notes and a slider work here).
00:50:384 (1) - Nice idea to put a NC here for emphasis, but I think it is overdone fur a Cup diff and would delete it.
00:52:447 (4) - Add NC please.
00:55:447 (1,2,3,4,5) - Another section that has got only single notes which is emphasis-wise not really effective, the map should get more dense starting from 00:56:197 (3) - until 00:56:947 (5) - to emphasize the drum better. I would combine 00:56:197 (3,4) - to a reverse slider and add a single note at 00:56:759 - .
00:58:259 (3) - The slider doesn't start on an important sound so I would just make a single note at 00:58:447 - instead. - In this part all sounds quite clearly audible. Therefore, they cannot be ignored. Otherwise it will look like undermap i guees
00:59:384 (3) - Same as 00:58:259 (3) - (the vocal is not important enough imo since you also decided to leave out some drum sounds as well). - but but in this case there is no problem with it. so ok, done

Lemme stop here for now. I think I wrote enough to make clear that there are inconsistencies throughout the whole diff as well as poor emphasis choices. I didn't even comment about flow and spacing because that would be too much.

As I said we can come together and talk a bit about some general stuff because pointing out everything in every diff is not really effective at this point. As I said: Cup and Salad do have the most flaws, Platter and Angel are already better (which doesn't mean perfect but definetly better).

But don't get discouraged! Your Cup and Salad diffs show that you know how to emphasize stuff and to map consistently, you just need to improve at these things!

everything else was fixed

Thanks for mod, really

F D Flourite

811 posts

Joined March 2013

F D Flourite 2018-02-11T06:20:46+00:00

ok sorry for 1 week later than expected

[General]

why's the BG size 1366x788? Better be 1366x768 I think
00:00:322 - red/green lines here should have the same volume according to Ranking Criteria, which occur in multiple diffs

[Cup]

00:03:134 (1,2,1) - distance between 00:03:134 (1,2) - should be smaller than 00:04:072 (2,1) - for the music emphasis on 00:04:822 - . Should move 00:04:072 (2) - and 00:04:822 (1) - rightward.
00:04:822 (1,2) - flow here looks pretty unnatural. Should be fixed together
00:10:447 (4,5) - bigger distance
00:10:822 (5,1) - swap NC
00:15:322 (1,2) - shouldn't be this far. 00:16:072 - this sound is not emphasized
00:20:572 (4,1) - however, could be farther. 1.0x at the very least if you don't want to do consecutive big walks.
00:23:384 (3,4) - still, such movement is not preferred. It doesn't look good, and it doesn't express anything related to movement. It's boring
00:34:072 (3,1) - same as above
00:26:759 (4,1) - emphasis?
~~00:39:322 (1) - 00:42:322 (1) -~~ I forgot it so xD It's probably about some inconsistencies of NC in this diff. I can see many long (2-section) combos and short (1-section) ones in the same part, which is often weird because music here has no great variation on speed or whatever. For example, 00:41:197 (1) - 00:43:259 (1) - NCs on these on probably not that necessary
00:46:447 (2,3) - can be a little bit closer? New players may not feel comfortable when reading this
00:54:322 (1,2) - same feeling about the awkward flow
00:59:384 (2,3) - Antiflow usage like this is not what we want, generally speaking. It doesn't flow great on weird stop-and-go. Probably you should just change the position of 00:59:572 (3) - to the right of 00:59:384 (2) - .
01:06:322 (1,2) - same feeling about the awkward flow
01:15:322 (1,2) - same as above
01:18:322 (1,2) - ^ 01:18:884 (2) - is clearly something that should be made with emphasis
01:22:634 (1,2) - ^
01:07:634 (1,2,1,2) - distance can make slight variance to make a difference on the movement from 01:08:572 (2) - to 01:09:322 (1) - then to 01:09:697 (2) - . Now distances in between are literally the same, while that's not what the song expresses.
01:13:447 (1,2) - shorten distance
01:20:947 (3,1) - move these right together to make variance on zig-zag movement
01:26:572 (3,1) - can make the flow a little bit more harsh. For example, make 01:27:322 (1) - more vertical
01:34:259 (3) - emphasized place is obviously wrong. 01:34:634 (1) - should be moved left, as a result
01:37:447 (4,1) - distance can be shortened.
I try my best to respect the general concept of antiflow in this diff, even if it may be not as comfortable as other Cups.

[Salad]

So glad that I see some changes and now it is much better than the last time I saw.
00:00:322 (1,2,3,4) - could be moved a little bit left because now the walk on 00:01:259 (4,1) - is too convenient. Better be a jump right?
00:10:822 (1,2) - still, I don't like such performance. For additional circles after sliders, they'd better have some movement (or generate a long stream, for another case) or they'll probably look weird for its incomplete curve.
00:14:572 (1,2) - can be farther if you want a jump here
00:15:697 (2,3) - can be a bigger walk instead of a jump? This part is relatively calm so I would expect a few jumps but not as many. In this case distance can be around 1.60x
00:17:572 (3,4,1) - need distance variance. Also, 00:17:572 (3,4) - is too large imo
00:21:697 (1,2) - Distance could be shortened as I feel the real strong beat is on 00:22:634 (1) - , where you've already used bigger distance and antiflow. And this combo is too short. You need to rearrange NCs here as well.
00:23:197 (2) - track here covers the vocal. Also the big walk on 00:22:634 (1,2) - is not emphasizing correctly. It's on a drum? but aren't you following vocal here?
00:24:322 (1) - can be something like http://puu.sh/ztEyo/18e1ad44fd.jpg to avoid constant direction change.
00:26:384 (2,3) - a little bit bigger distance, for a better look curve, of course.
00:24:322 (1,2) - slightly shorten
00:27:697 (2,5) - such continuous anti-flow jumps are not expected at all here. Better make it vertical or in flow or whatever
00:33:322 (1,2) - nerf distance because of constant direction change here. Now it's certainly considered as antiflow.
00:36:322 (1,2) - confusing distance. Should be easily walkable (1.5~1.6x)
Gonna stop here. There are still similar issues throughout the whole diff.
00:56:009 (2) - 01:14:572 (6) - wrong snaps

[Platter]

00:29:947 (5,1) - should be a HDash right?
01:29:197 (2,1,2,3,4,5,6) - It's definitely anti-flow on HDash here, which is not allowed in Platter. Probably 01:29:197 (2,1) - this HDash is not needed. Anyway you should find another pattern here.

Didn't take a real close look at Platter and above diffs but they play well so shouldn't be many issues. The main things I concern are:

Combo lengths. NCs, especially in Cup/Salad, are messy. You have to find a consistent way of placing them throughout the whole diff. But now it's not.
Antiflow in easier diffs. Cup should be alright, because no jump exists there. But Salad just suffers from it. Direction changes just happen too often, many of which are sharp. If you can resolve to deal with those too sharp antiflows, I believe there'll be ground for this diff to be pushed forward. Some of them are already mentioned above.
Distance in Salad. 1.8x distance(for 1/1 beat) is probably too much for players at this level to walk properly, while it's too small for a jump because 1.8x distances can still be walked thru in many cases. 1.6x should be fine. And in anti-flow situation, it should be even shortened to 1.5x or below. If you really want a jump, 2.0x is highly prefered. In this way jumps/walks are differentiated so that players can read the map quite easily. HOWEVER, feel free to reject this point because I observe that some mappers do prefer edge-level walks in Salad to create some special effect. I just don't like that but I can respect it ofc.
Apart from 1.8x distance thing, Salad also need to take care of places to set jumps/walks. Now it's somewhat inconsistent.

Good luck!

Last edited by F D Flourite 2018-02-23T01:40:45+00:00, edited 6 times in total.

Xetopia

240 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Xetopia 2018-02-11T20:50:10+00:00

F D Flourite wrote:
ok sorry for 1 week later than expected

[General]
why's the BG size 1366x788? Better be 1366x768 I think - you're right, done
00:00:322 - red/green lines here should have the same volume according to Ranking Criteria, which occur in multiple diffs - fixed
[Cup]
00:03:134 (1,2,1) - distance between 00:03:134 (1,2) - should be smaller than 00:04:072 (2,1) - for the music emphasis on 00:04:822 - . Should move 00:04:072 (2) - and 00:04:822 (1) - rightward. - k
00:04:822 (1,2) - flow here looks pretty unnatural. Should be fixed together - ugh, I don't think so
00:10:447 (4,5) - bigger distance - k
00:10:822 (5,1) - swap NC - k
00:15:322 (1,2) - shouldn't be this far. 00:16:072 - this sound is not emphasized - made them closer
00:20:572 (4,1) - however, could be farther. 1.0x at the very least if you don't want to do consecutive big walks. - k, done
00:23:384 (3,4) - still, such movement is not preferred. It doesn't look good, and it doesn't express anything related to movement. It's boring - reworked pattern
00:34:072 (3,1) - same as above - ^
00:26:759 (4,1) - emphasis? - fixed
~~00:39:322 (1) - 00:42:322 (1) -~~ I forgot it so xD It's probably about some inconsistencies of NC in this diff. I can see many long (2-section) combos and short (1-section) ones in the same part, which is often weird because music here has no great variation on speed or whatever. For example, 00:41:197 (1) - 00:43:259 (1) - NCs on these on probably not that necessary - fixed!
00:46:447 (2,3) - can be a little bit closer? New players may not feel comfortable when reading this - np, done
00:54:322 (1,2) - same feeling about the awkward flow - made more movement. Fixed, i guess
00:59:384 (2,3) - Antiflow usage like this is not what we want, generally speaking. It doesn't flow great on weird stop-and-go. Probably you should just change the position of 00:59:572 (3) - to the right of 00:59:384 (2) - . - k, chaged
01:06:322 (1,2) - same feeling about the awkward flow - i dont think so
01:15:322 (1,2) - same as above - but here - ok
01:18:322 (1,2) - ^ 01:18:884 (2) - is clearly something that should be made with emphasis - fixed
01:22:634 (1,2) - ^ - fixed
01:07:634 (1,2,1,2) - distance can make slight variance to make a difference on the movement from 01:08:572 (2) - to 01:09:322 (1) - then to 01:09:697 (2) - . Now distances in between are literally the same, while that's not what the song expresses. - done, i guess
01:13:447 (1,2) - shorten distance - k
01:20:947 (3,1) - move these right together to make variance on zig-zag movement - yep
01:26:572 (3,1) - can make the flow a little bit more harsh. For example, make 01:27:322 (1) - more vertical - but vocal.. k made a slider instead of two notes
01:34:259 (3) - emphasized place is obviously wrong. 01:34:634 (1) - should be moved left, as a result
01:37:447 (4,1) - distance can be shortened. - k
I try my best to respect the general concept of antiflow in this diff, even if it may be not as comfortable as other Cups.
[Salad]
So glad that I see some changes and now it is much better than the last time I saw.
00:00:322 (1,2,3,4) - could be moved a little bit left because now the walk on 00:01:259 (4,1) - is too convenient. Better be a jump right? - of course!
00:10:822 (1,2) - still, I don't like such performance. For additional circles after sliders, they'd better have some movement (or generate a long stream, for another case) or they'll probably look weird for its incomplete curve. - youre right, probably, but idk. fixed
00:14:572 (1,2) - can be farther if you want a jump here - done
00:15:697 (2,3) - can be a bigger walk instead of a jump? This part is relatively calm so I would expect a few jumps but not as many. In this case distance can be around 1.60x - done
00:17:572 (3,4,1) - need distance variance. Also, 00:17:572 (3,4) - is too large imo - 00:17:947 (4) - x320 k?
00:21:697 (1,2) - Distance could be shortened as I feel the real strong beat is on 00:22:634 (1) - , where you've already used bigger distance and antiflow. And this combo is too short. You need to rearrange NCs here as well. - k
00:23:197 (2) - track here covers the vocal. Also the big walk on 00:22:634 (1,2) - is not emphasizing correctly. It's on a drum? but aren't you following vocal here? if i map all vocals here, then this part will look overdone
00:24:322 (1) - can be something like http://puu.sh/ztEyo/18e1ad44fd.jpg to avoid constant direction change. - ok
00:26:384 (2,3) - a little bit bigger distance, for a better look curve, of course. - k
00:24:322 (1,2) - slightly shorten - ^
00:27:697 (2,5) - such continuous anti-flow jumps are not expected at all here. Better make it vertical or in flow or whatever - k
00:33:322 (1,2) - nerf distance because of constant direction change here. Now it's certainly considered as antiflow. - fixed, i guess
00:36:322 (1,2) - confusing distance. Should be easily walkable (1.5~1.6x) - done
Gonna stop here. There are still similar issues throughout the whole diff.
00:56:009 (2) - 01:14:572 (6) - wrong snaps - oh my... fixed
[Platter]
00:29:947 (5,1) - should be a HDash right? - yep, my bad
01:29:197 (2,1,2,3,4,5,6) - It's definitely anti-flow on HDash here, which is not allowed in Platter. Probably 01:29:197 (2,1) - this HDash is not needed. Anyway you should find another pattern here. - if 01:29:197 (2,1) - remove hdash, then easily solve the problem with antiflow
Didn't take a real close look at Platter and above diffs but they play well so shouldn't be many issues. The main things I concern are:
Combo lengths. NCs, especially in Cup/Salad, are messy. You have to find a consistent way of placing them throughout the whole diff. But now it's not. -I'll do something about it.
Antiflow in easier diffs. Cup should be alright, because no jump exists there. But Salad just suffers from it. Direction changes just happen too often, many of which are sharp. If you can resolve to deal with those too sharp antiflows, I believe there'll be ground for this diff to be pushed forward. Some of them are already mentioned above. - k, I'll start working with platter now
Distance in Salad. 1.8x distance(for 1/1 beat) is probably too much for players at this level to walk properly, while it's too small for a jump because 1.8x distances can still be walked thru in many cases. 1.6x should be fine. And in anti-flow situation, it should be even shortened to 1.5x or below. If you really want a jump, 2.0x is highly prefered. In this way jumps/walks are differentiated so that players can read the map quite easily. HOWEVER, feel free to reject this point because I observe that some mappers do prefer edge-level walks in Salad to create some special effect. I just don't like that but I can respect it ofc. - I'll see what I can do about it.
Apart from 1.8x distance thing, Salad also need to take care of places to set jumps/walks. Now it's somewhat inconsistent. - i will fix it :>
Good luck!

Thanks for mod again<3

Last edited by Xetopia 2018-02-23T11:19:42+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

celerih

617 posts

Joined July 2014

celerih 2018-02-16T19:06:53+00:00

Had a quick IRC about the Cup and Salad diffs

IRC stuffs

2018-02-16 13:36 Xetopia: I want to know, this stuff is rankble or not
2018-02-16 13:36 Xetopia: Hello :>
2018-02-16 13:36 Xetopia: Can u testplay my map? cup and salad
2018-02-16 13:36 celerih: I'm about to leave actually

2018-02-16 13:36 celerih: got some shopping to do, if you catch me online later tho ask and I think I'll have the time
2018-02-16 13:37 celerih: what's the map?
2018-02-16 13:37 Xetopia: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/588051
2018-02-16 13:38 Xetopia: oh, okay, np
2018-02-16 13:38 celerih: actually my brother can wait I can playtest these real quick

2018-02-16 13:38 celerih: ACTION is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1257039 u's - Angelic Angel (Movie Edit) [Cup]] <CatchTheBeat>
2018-02-16 13:40 Xetopia: xd, okay, thanks <3
2018-02-16 13:41 celerih: there are a few rhythm I think can be improved on
2018-02-16 13:42 celerih: here 00:23:197 (2,3,4,5) - instead of that try https://celerih.s-ul.eu/p102j47d
2018-02-16 13:42 celerih: it follows both drums and vocals more accuratly
2018-02-16 13:43 celerih: and here you could have it a slider like on 00:29:009 (2) - so there's some consistency between the two
2018-02-16 13:44 Xetopia: okay, changed
2018-02-16 13:45 celerih: also can you give this an angle 00:26:759 (4) - all the 1/2 slider have it
2018-02-16 13:45 celerih: or at least most
2018-02-16 13:45 celerih: quick question why is tick rate 2 use
2018-02-16 13:46 celerih: if you have a reason for it you can keep it, but otherwise I'd advise against in in lower diffs
2018-02-16 13:47 Xetopia: idk, I think it helps make a good shape of slider
2018-02-16 13:48 celerih: ookay yeah testing with tr1 it's particularly bad on this map
2018-02-16 13:48 Xetopia: k, no problem
2018-02-16 13:48 celerih: one last thing I'll mention on the cup is 01:20:947 (3,1) - this distance is too large, with the antiflow for a cup
2018-02-16 13:51 Xetopia: k, then i'll make less distance
2018-02-16 13:52 celerih: now onto the salad!
2018-02-16 13:53 Xetopia: owo
2018-02-16 13:53 celerih: the distances on your dashes for the first section of your salad need some more work, the distance on 00:10:447 (4,1) - works really well, so I'd have the same distance on 00:01:259 (4,1) - 00:04:446 (5,1) - 00:05:759 (3,1) -
2018-02-16 13:53 celerih: to make it easier for ppl to know when there is a dash
2018-02-16 13:56 celerih: this section here 00:21:322 (7,1,2) - is too difficult for a salad, as it has a lot of movement right after the other
2018-02-16 13:56 celerih: dash into anti-flow reverse into another dash is really harsh for a salad player
2018-02-16 13:57 celerih: to fix this, I think the best way of going about it is to flip 00:21:697 (1) - to remove the anti-flow the make the dash on 00:22:447 (2,1) - instead of 00:21:697 (1,2) -
2018-02-16 13:57 celerih: so there's more leniency on the player
2018-02-16 13:57 celerih: plus 00:22:634 (1) - is on a stronger sound
2018-02-16 13:57 celerih: so a dash to it works really well
2018-02-16 13:58 Xetopia: oohhhh, reaaaaaally works well
2018-02-16 13:58 Xetopia: thanks
2018-02-16 13:58 Xetopia: LOL
2018-02-16 13:59 celerih: yay
2018-02-16 13:59 celerih:

2018-02-16 13:59 Xetopia: ecksdee
2018-02-16 14:01 celerih: distances here 01:11:197 (2,3,4,1) - are pretty hard to tell if they are supposed to be dashes or not. Making them all dashes would be too hard, so try and make it more obvious which are dashes and which are walks
2018-02-16 14:03 celerih: there's a few more things here and there but I actually have to go now so I'll just mention one last thing
2018-02-16 14:03 celerih: the Base SV being 1.75 makes this a pretty difficult salad because even some walks require a decently good timing
2018-02-16 14:04 celerih: I know it's a hard thing to change after the map being done and all, but if possible think about maybe reducing to like 1.55
2018-02-16 14:04 celerih: that would already help the diff a lot imo
2018-02-16 14:04 Xetopia: i'll try this thing
2018-02-16 14:04 celerih: good luck with this map
2018-02-16 14:04 celerih: !
2018-02-16 14:05 Xetopia: thanks <3
2018-02-16 14:05 Xetopia:

2018-02-16 14:05 celerih: np (:
2018-02-16 14:05 celerih: okay bye
2018-02-16 14:05 Xetopia: bye o/
2018-02-16 14:05 celerih: I'll post irc so there's a trace of what was changed

F D Flourite

811 posts

Joined March 2013

F D Flourite 2018-02-16T23:28:41+00:00

Sorry but my mod will be still pending for a while because of my incoming exams. The last one is on Feb 20. Hopefully I can get time to mod the whole mapset after that day.

Sorceress

332 posts

Joined September 2012

Sorceress 2018-03-14T23:43:20+00:00

Didn't manage to get round to this on the weekend so apologies for that

[

General]

Background: Try this copy. Higher res and smaller file size
Combo Colours: Sinnyi's Rain and Angel have different combo colours to the other difficulties. Nothing wrong with that but wanted to point it out in case it's not intentional

[

Cup]

00:05:197 (3,4) - 00:05:197 (3) - Doesn't end on anything strong here and the strong sound at 00:05:759 - is left unmapped. I'd suggest replacing both 00:05:197 (3,4) - with something like this instead. Simpler timeline is easier to follow, hits the important sounds and with not having a note at 00:05:947 - it helps emphasise 00:06:134 (1) - more
00:14:384 (6,1) - There's no real emphasis on 00:14:572 (1) - because of the lack of movement and there's no direction change between 00:14:572 (1,2) - with hurts emphasis on these notes aswell. Because of 00:14:384 (6) - has to be so close it limits what you can do here. I'd recommend to move 00:14:384 (6) - back to the white tick at 00:14:197 - and then rework the pattern to have more spacing emphasis on 00:14:572 (1,2) -
00:45:322 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Consider using some smaller distances here for this part of the song. It's a calm section so it would help create contrast with the rest of the song by using smaller distances
01:05:009 (5,6) - Could up the distance here a little for a bit more emphasis. Try moving 01:05:009 (5) - to around x:446
01:40:634 (3,1) - This spinner starts too quickly after 01:40:634 (3) - , there's needs to be atleast a 1/1 gap between the two at this BPM in a Cup. You could either start the spinner later at 01:41:009 - or just remove 01:40:634 (3) - and start the spinner there instead

[

Salad]

00:10:072 (1,2) - This distance is quite high and a bit ambiguous. Considering this is followed by a dash to 00:10:822 (1) - which is a stronger sound I'd reduce the distance of 00:10:072 (1,2) - into something more comfortable to walk
01:04:072 (3,4,1,2,3) - I'd say this pattern is too complex for a Salad. It's got a lot of dashes and even antiflow/direction changes. I'd recommend to really simplify the movement of this. Try deleting 01:04:447 (4,1,2,3) - and then copy paste 01:03:322 (1,2,3) - at 01:04:634 - and Ctrl+H it and then move to about x:144
01:40:634 (3,1) - Just like in the Cup the spinner starts too quickly after 01:40:634 (3) -, needs to be 1/1 gap
01:49:634 (1) - I feel like this should be a slider extending to 01:50:009 - as you do for most of these guitar sounds

[

Platter]

00:01:447 (5,1) - Bit of a big distance to have just after a hyperdash. Considering this is they very start of the song and there's only drums here I'd suggest removing the hyper between 00:01:259 (4,5) - and just having a regular dash instead
01:05:759 (4,5) - Consider moving these to about x:264. The current distance between 01:05:384 (3,4) - is a little high for after a hyperdash and by moving 01:05:759 (4,5) - further right it both reduces that distance and increases the distance of 01:05:947 (5,1) - which helps to emphasise the start of the kiai more
01:54:322 - I really like the way you mapped this little outro

[

Sinnyi's Rain]

00:56:384 (3,4,5) - Don't like how you have to hold dash to hit this, it's not a technique used anywhere else in the map. Personally I'd rather it was just walkable but it's no big issue
00:56:759 (6,7,8) - Uneven spacing on this doesn't look aesthetically too great when it's placed just after the evenly spaced triplet 00:56:384 (3,4,5) -

[

Angel]

00:03:040 (4,1) - 1/4 antiflow hyper seems a bit too strong for this. Softer slider movement like a c shape would feel more appropriate
00:40:447 (1) - I think a 1/1 slider and a circle on the red tick after would be a better fit than this repeater. There's really not anything at 00:40:634 - to support a full note
00:50:384 (3,4) - The lack of movement here is unexpected. It would help to make this a slider instead as it's easier for the player to follow the slider trail and it would still play pretty much the same
01:58:822 (1) - This slider misses all the guitar sounds. Looks like this should be starting at 01:59:009 -

Hope this helps!

Xetopia

240 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Xetopia 2018-03-15T08:34:28+00:00

Sorcerer wrote:
Didn't manage to get round to this on the weekend so apologies for that

[ General]
Background: Try this copy. Higher res and smaller file size - thanks owo
Combo Colours: Sinnyi's Rain and Angel have different combo colours to the other difficulties. Nothing wrong with that but wanted to point it out in case it's not intentional - then ill take combo colours from std ranked set?
[ Cup]
00:05:197 (3,4) - 00:05:197 (3) - Doesn't end on anything strong here and the strong sound at 00:05:759 - is left unmapped. I'd suggest replacing both 00:05:197 (3,4) - with something like this instead. Simpler timeline is easier to follow, hits the important sounds and with not having a note at 00:05:947 - it helps emphasise 00:06:134 (1) - more - i agree, done
00:14:384 (6,1) - There's no real emphasis on 00:14:572 (1) - because of the lack of movement and there's no direction change between 00:14:572 (1,2) - with hurts emphasis on these notes aswell. Because of 00:14:384 (6) - has to be so close it limits what you can do here. I'd recommend to move 00:14:384 (6) - back to the white tick at 00:14:197 - and then rework the pattern to have more spacing emphasis on 00:14:572 (1,2) - - k, reworked pattern
00:45:322 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - Consider using some smaller distances here for this part of the song. It's a calm section so it would help create contrast with the rest of the song by using smaller distances - okay, redused distances in this part
01:05:009 (5,6) - Could up the distance here a little for a bit more emphasis. Try moving 01:05:009 (5) - to around x:446 - okay
01:40:634 (3,1) - This spinner starts too quickly after 01:40:634 (3) - , there's needs to be atleast a 1/1 gap between the two at this BPM in a Cup. You could either start the spinner later at 01:41:009 - or just remove 01:40:634 (3) - and start the spinner there instead - k made start the spinner at 01:41:009 -
[ Salad]
00:10:072 (1,2) - This distance is quite high and a bit ambiguous. Considering this is followed by a dash to 00:10:822 (1) - which is a stronger sound I'd reduce the distance of 00:10:072 (1,2) - into something more comfortable to walk - done
01:04:072 (3,4,1,2,3) - I'd say this pattern is too complex for a Salad. It's got a lot of dashes and even antiflow/direction changes. I'd recommend to really simplify the movement of this. Try deleting 01:04:447 (4,1,2,3) - and then copy paste 01:03:322 (1,2,3) - at 01:04:634 - and Ctrl+H it and then move to about x:144 - :ok_hand:
01:40:634 (3,1) - Just like in the Cup the spinner starts too quickly after 01:40:634 (3) -, needs to be 1/1 gap - fixed
01:49:634 (1) - I feel like this should be a slider extending to 01:50:009 - as you do for most of these guitar sounds - done
[ Platter]
00:01:447 (5,1) - Bit of a big distance to have just after a hyperdash. Considering this is they very start of the song and there's only drums here I'd suggest removing the hyper between 00:01:259 (4,5) - and just having a regular dash instead - done
01:05:759 (4,5) - Consider moving these to about x:264. The current distance between 01:05:384 (3,4) - is a little high for after a hyperdash and by moving 01:05:759 (4,5) - further right it both reduces that distance and increases the distance of 01:05:947 (5,1) - which helps to emphasise the start of the kiai more - looks really good, done <3
01:54:322 - I really like the way you mapped this little outro - thx <3
[ Angel]
00:03:040 (4,1) - 1/4 antiflow hyper seems a bit too strong for this. Softer slider movement like a c shape would feel more appropriate - fixed
00:40:447 (1) - I think a 1/1 slider and a circle on the red tick after would be a better fit than this repeater. There's really not anything at 00:40:634 - to support a full note - done
00:50:384 (3,4) - The lack of movement here is unexpected. It would help to make this a slider instead as it's easier for the player to follow the slider trail and it would still play pretty much the same - youre right, done
01:58:822 (1) - This slider misses all the guitar sounds. Looks like this should be starting at 01:59:009 - - youre right. fixed

Hope this helps!

Thanks for mod <3

Sanyi

236 posts

Joined November 2015

Sanyi 2018-03-17T13:12:15+00:00

Sorcerer wrote:
[ Sinnyi's Rain]
00:56:384 (3,4,5) - Don't like how you have to hold dash to hit this, it's not a technique used anywhere else in the map. Personally I'd rather it was just walkable but it's no big issue
00:56:759 (6,7,8) - Uneven spacing on this doesn't look aesthetically too great when it's placed just after the evenly spaced triplet 00:56:384 (3,4,5) - I swear I really hate this spot in the song/map, did change it up multiple times by now. Hopefully it is better now.

Thanks for modding!

Sinnyi's Rain

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: angel.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 66228
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
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[Metadata]
Title:Angelic Angel (Movie Edit)
TitleUnicode:Angelic Angel (Movie Edit)
Artist:u's
ArtistUnicode:μ's
Creator:Xetopia
Version:Sinnyi's Rain
Source:ラブライブ！ The School Idol Movie
Tags:love live project 高坂穂乃果 Kousaka Honoka 園田海未 Sonoda Umi 南ことり Minami Kotori 矢澤にこ Yazawa Niko Nico 絢瀬絵里 Ayase Eri Eli 東條希 Toujou Nozomi 西木野真姫 Nishikino Maki 小泉花陽 Koizumi Hanayo 星空凛 Hoshizora Rin 新田恵海 Nitta Emi 三森すずこ Mimori Suzuko 内田彩 Uchida Aya 徳井青空 Tokui Sora 南條愛乃 Nanjou Yoshino 楠田亜衣奈 Kusuda Aina 堀絵梨子 Hori Eriko Pile 久保ユリカ Kubo Yurika 飯田里穂 Iida Riho Muse Sinnoh Sanyi
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Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2018-03-31T20:49:28+00:00

Hihi, sorry for being so late. Just to let you know I haven't forgot about this set, gonna post here. Some miscommunication between myself and sorcerer made us confused as to which BN would be here first, so it's actually me now. Gonna placeholder here since I have easter holiday, but I should mod monday or tuesday <:

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2018-04-04T00:52:09+00:00

Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo

[

General]

Difficulty Spread : - The AR in Sinnyi's Rain should really be increased to 9 or the top diff should be reduced to 9. The spread changes randomly and it doesn't really fit tbh.
- Why is the top diff CS4.6? Please reduce it to 4.2 or something, this creates such a big gap, including the above point.
Background Size : Good
Unsnapped objects : Good
Audio bitrate over 192 kbps : Good
Metadata Issues : Source please
Timeline Issues :
Combo Colors : Not a big fan of the combo colors. They really stand out against the background of the map. I'd change them to something more pastel-y like the background suggests.
Unused Hitsounds : Good
Hitsounds Issues : Good
Unused Files / Other : Good

[

Cup]

General

00:14:947 (4,1) - The distance is pretty far here despite being a weaker sound. I'd suggest reducing this distance a bit
00:23:009 (2,3) - You're missing the strong vocal at 00:23:384 - here, I feel like you should drag this to 00:23:197 - for a better rhythm
00:52:259 (3,4,1) - Right facing flow into an immediate long distance to the left that's also antiflow is really not recommended in a difficulty like this.
00:57:884 (2) - Not sure why this is a repeat slider, you've just done a circle normally for structure like this
01:14:009 (2) - seems a tiny bit dense, maybe remove the repeat?

[

Salad]

General

Please try to go through and make some dashes more visually clear. Some dashes like 00:08:384 (2,1) - are noticeably increased distance-wise but are easily walkable. I won't point them all out though, so please try to do it yourself
00:11:759 (3,1) - Strong sound, add a dash maybe?
00:14:572 (4,5,1) - Shouldn't all be dashes here, maybe increase 00:14:572 (4,5) - and reduce the distance between 00:14:947 (5,1) - .
00:20:572 (3,1) - I don't feel this should be a dash, it's not that strong. Maybe reduce this?
00:38:572 (3,1) - Increase dash distance here
00:47:197 (2,3) - Doesn't feel like this needs a dash, reduce this?
Kiai suffers from the same issue I listed in my first point. Please fix it <:

[

Platter]

General

00:14:384 (4,5,6) - This is pretty much an antiflow HDash and is therefore unrankable. The HDash moves to the right and then immediately the player needs to make a large leftwards jump, which fits the definition of antiflow, so it'll need to be changed.
The difficulty is nice but there's way too many hyperdashes here and almost no normal dashes. Please try to swap out some of the HDashes for regular dashes in places where the stuff isn't that strong.

[

Rain]

General

00:07:447 (5,6,7,8,9) - Please remove the 1/8 here, if you listen closely, the 1/8 doesn't even exist. Just leave it as 1/4.
00:58:634 (4,1) - Seems really squished here, try moving 00:59:009 (1) - to x:210 and then doing something like this maybe?
01:41:947 - I'd consider making this a 1/2 slider so that way you can get a nice HDash to 01:42:322 (1) -

[

Angel]

General

00:03:040 (4) - Overmapped 1/4, delete this
00:06:697 (3,4) - Dunno if you need an HDash between here, I'd rather see one between 00:06:884 (4,5) -
00:07:259 (6) - Overmapped 1/4, delete the blue tick
00:11:572 (3,4) - Why's there an HDash between here? There's nothing extraordinary about that sound
00:12:134 (1) - No need to extend this to 1/4, reduce to the red tick for a 1/2 dash
00:13:259 (4) - Maybe reduce the distance to and from this note and make a dash between 00:13:447 (5,6) - ?
00:28:634 (2,3) - I'd ctrl+g this rhythm the vocal should be played as a slider, not a circle.
00:38:947 (1) - Please make this a C-Curve, this plays so bad
01:44:947 (6,7) - Why are these 1/4 hypers, there doesn't even feel like there's 1/4 sounds there lol
01:47:947 (4,5) - As above
01:52:634 (1,2,3,4,5) - This should 100% be a 1/1 slider, there's no 1/4 at all lol
This diff has some pretty serious overmapping issues, please take a deeper look and try to fix some of them yourself.

Call me after you've made the appropriate fixes.

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2018-04-04T01:08:58+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
[ Rain]

General

00:07:447 (5,6,7,8,9) - Please remove the 1/8 here, if you listen closely, the 1/8 doesn't even exist. Just leave it as 1/4. ya
01:41:947 - I'd consider making this a 1/2 slider so that way you can get a nice HDash to 01:42:322 (1) - 1/1 dashes are cute since the player has to hold dash for longer

Sanyi

236 posts

Joined November 2015

Sanyi 2018-04-04T14:00:21+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo

[ General]

Difficulty Spread : - The AR in Sinnyi's Rain should really be increased to 9 or the top diff should be reduced to 9. The spread changes randomly and it doesn't really fit tbh.
- Why is the top diff CS4.6? Please reduce it to 4.2 or something, this creates such a big gap, including the above point. Will talk to Xetopia about AR and CS
Metadata Issues : Source please Is this ok: http://www.lovelive-anime.jp/otonokizaka/release.html#cd57
Combo Colors : Not a big fan of the combo colors. They really stand out against the background of the map. I'd change them to something more pastel-y like the background suggests. Up to Xetopia I guess, will assist them if needed

[ Rain]

General

00:58:634 (4,1) - Seems really squished here, try moving 00:59:009 (1) - to x:210 and then doing something like this maybe? applied

I changed the AR (and OD) to 8.8 for now, 9 is a bit high for this Rain imo

Thanks for modding!

Sinnyi's Rain

osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 66228
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
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LetterboxInBreaks: 0
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[Metadata]
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TitleUnicode:Angelic Angel (Movie Edit)
Artist:u's
ArtistUnicode:μ's
Creator:Xetopia
Version:Sinnyi's Rain
Source:ラブライブ！ The School Idol Movie
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CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8.8
ApproachRate:8.8
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Xetopia

240 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Xetopia 2018-04-04T15:46:59+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo

[ General]

Difficulty Spread : - The AR in Sinnyi's Rain should really be increased to 9 or the top diff should be reduced to 9. The spread changes randomly and it doesn't really fit tbh.
- Why is the top diff CS4.6? Please reduce it to 4.2 or something, this creates such a big gap, including the above point. - cs 4.4, ar 9.2
Background Size : Good
Unsnapped objects : Good
Audio bitrate over 192 kbps : Good
Metadata Issues : Source please http://www.lovelive-anime.jp/otonokizak ... .html#cd57
Timeline Issues :
Combo Colors : Not a big fan of the combo colors. They really stand out against the background of the map. I'd change them to something more pastel-y like the background suggests. - reworked combocolors
Unused Hitsounds : Good
Hitsounds Issues : Good
Unused Files / Other : Good

[ Cup]

General

00:14:947 (4,1) - The distance is pretty far here despite being a weaker sound. I'd suggest reducing this distance a bit - fixed
00:23:009 (2,3) - You're missing the strong vocal at 00:23:384 - here, I feel like you should drag this to 00:23:197 - for a better rhythm - alright, done
00:52:259 (3,4,1) - Right facing flow into an immediate long distance to the left that's also antiflow is really not recommended in a difficulty like this. - ok, i made 1/1 reverse on left side
00:57:884 (2) - Not sure why this is a repeat slider, you've just done a circle normally for structure like this - removed repeat, and made 1/1 slider
01:14:009 (2) - seems a tiny bit dense, maybe remove the repeat? - but then we're missing strong sound at 01:14:009 (2) -

[ Salad]

General

Please try to go through and make some dashes more visually clear. Some dashes like 00:08:384 (2,1) - are noticeably increased distance-wise but are easily walkable. I won't point them all out though, so please try to do it yourself
00:11:759 (3,1) - Strong sound, add a dash maybe? - okay? moved to x224
00:14:572 (4,5,1) - Shouldn't all be dashes here, maybe increase 00:14:572 (4,5) - and reduce the distance between 00:14:947 (5,1) - . alright, donee
00:20:572 (3,1) - I don't feel this should be a dash, it's not that strong. Maybe reduce this? ok
00:38:572 (3,1) - Increase dash distance here - ok
00:47:197 (2,3) - Doesn't feel like this needs a dash, reduce this? - yep
Kiai suffers from the same issue I listed in my first point. Please fix it <: - ok owo

[ Platter]

General

00:14:384 (4,5,6) - This is pretty much an antiflow HDash and is therefore unrankable. The HDash moves to the right and then immediately the player needs to make a large leftwards jump, which fits the definition of antiflow, so it'll need to be changed. - Fixed i guess
The difficulty is nice but there's way too many hyperdashes here and almost no normal dashes. Please try to swap out some of the HDashes for regular dashes in places where the stuff isn't that strong[/b] - ww ok, made less hdashes

[ Angel]

General

00:03:040 (4) - Overmapped 1/4, delete this - haa ok
00:06:697 (3,4) - Dunno if you need an HDash between here, I'd rather see one between 00:06:884 (4,5) - - owo looks cute ;D
00:07:259 (6) - Overmapped 1/4, delete the blue tick - ok w
00:11:572 (3,4) - Why's there an HDash between here? There's nothing extraordinary about that sound - removed hdash
00:12:134 (1) - No need to extend this to 1/4, reduce to the red tick for a 1/2 dash - okie
00:13:259 (4) - Maybe reduce the distance to and from this note and make a dash between 00:13:447 (5,6) - ?
00:28:634 (2,3) - I'd ctrl+g this rhythm the vocal should be played as a slider, not a circle. - reworked pattern
00:38:947 (1) - Please make this a C-Curve, this plays so bad - OK
01:44:947 (6,7) - Why are these 1/4 hypers, there doesn't even feel like there's 1/4 sounds there lol - removed this shiet
01:47:947 (4,5) - As above - ^
01:52:634 (1,2,3,4,5) - This should 100% be a 1/1 slider, there's no 1/4 at all lol - HAHAHHA LOL, fixed
This diff has some pretty serious overmapping issues, please take a deeper look and try to fix some of them yourself. - reworked some patterns and removed overmapped moments

Call me after you've made the appropriate fixes.

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2018-04-04T22:19:22+00:00

Top diff:

00:07:447 (3) - unsnapped
00:07:728 (4,1) - why is this distance so far now? please reduce it
You missed my suggestion at 00:13:072 -, try something like this to give 1 some more emphasis.
00:39:040 (6,8) - Overmapped, delete these
01:00:322 (1) - unsnapped
01:26:009 (2,3) - shouldn't the hdash be to the strong vocal downbeat on 01:26:384 -

Xetopia

240 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Xetopia 2018-04-05T13:03:16+00:00

Ascendance wrote:
Top diff:

00:07:447 (3) - unsnapped - fixed
00:07:728 (4,1) - why is this distance so far now? please reduce it - k
You missed my suggestion at 00:13:072 -, try something like this to give 1 some more emphasis. - oh lol,
sorry. Done
00:39:040 (6,8) - Overmapped, delete these - :ok_hand:
01:00:322 (1) - unsnapped - fixed
01:26:009 (2,3) - shouldn't the hdash be to the strong vocal downbeat on 01:26:384 - fixed

Thanks. Updated

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2018-04-06T06:17:29+00:00

Alright, looking good!

Fu Xuan

Beatmap Nominator

1,430 posts

Joined September 2015

Fu Xuan 2018-04-06T06:20:52+00:00

owo

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2018-04-06T06:29:37+00:00

uwu

Sanyi

236 posts

Joined November 2015

Sanyi 2018-04-06T06:40:30+00:00

owu

-Hex-

362 posts

Joined June 2016

-Hex- 2018-04-06T07:43:57+00:00

owo

Kimitakari

Beatmap Nominator

1,533 posts

Joined August 2014

Kimitakari 2018-04-06T08:31:41+00:00

Давай, ещё чуть чуть.

Nanachii

103 posts

Joined August 2015

Nanachii 2018-04-08T19:47:48+00:00

uwo

Sorceress

332 posts

Joined September 2012

Sorceress 2018-04-11T20:16:21+00:00

OwO

Recheck man here to recheck! Literally just two points on the cup

[Cup]

01:16:634 (1,2,3) - This spacing is a bit high, would lower to around 1.40x ds across this at most
01:54:322 (1) - Possible to move this to x:256 to lower the distance?

Xetopia

240 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Xetopia 2018-04-11T20:43:41+00:00

Sorcerer wrote:
OwO

Recheck man here to recheck! Literally just two points on the cup

[Cup]
01:16:634 (1,2,3) - This spacing is a bit high, would lower to around 1.40x ds across this at most - ok
01:54:322 (1) - Possible to move this to x:256 to lower the distance? - np done

Thanks <3 And haaaa made minor changes in platter. Updated!

Sorceress

332 posts

Joined September 2012

Sorceress 2018-04-11T21:13:54+00:00

UwU

Xetopia

240 posts

Joined June 2015

Topic Starter

Xetopia 2018-04-11T21:17:36+00:00

owo