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- G i G a s - wrote:

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🔵 Blue for suggestions

⬛00:43:622 (2,3,4) - and 00:45:050 (2,3,4) - use the same drum 123 beats but they have different patterns. I think making it the same would make it better since its the slow part and there's really nothing to emphasize. leaving it as it is just to avoid being repetetive.

⬛03:39:396 (1,2,3,4,5) ~03:42:187 (1,2,3,4,5) - Perhaps spacing these patterns will help. You barely need to move at that part. I know its a quiet part but i prefer spacing it a bit since its not a complete silent sound section. ok just a little.

⬛05:38:595 (2,3,4) - When the sound is going up you used patterns such as 05:49:758 (2,3,4) - . Therefore i think you should put the pattern that i just mentioned i dont think this is a problem

🔴 Red for little warnings


⬛01:56:134 (1) -this part is a stream but at 02:01:716 (1) - with the same sound the you use a full slider which feels weird since you started it off as a stream. Or since you used an additional full length slider at 02:07:297 (1) - you can just change the 01:56:134 (1) as a full slider. i used the full slider because you can hear the stream part stopping for a brief moment and then starting back up, while at 1:56 (1) you can hear the stream starting. i could use a slider to start off the section but im just going with how the music goes really.

⬛02:21:949 (1,2) - I feel like the hyper fruits around there are too spaced for no reason. It would be great if you could keep a steady distance for each hyper fruit following the intensity of the song. The hyper fruits around 02:31:716 -have less spacing than the part that i just mentioned even though the song is more intense than before. ok fixing up a few things here.

⬛03:58:320 (1,2,3,4) - keep the same distance as 1,2 please. barely makes a difference honestly, just added further disstance to 3,4 to have better contrast.

⬛04:01:797 (3,4,5,6) - This pattern is a bit random. Would prefer seeing the same pattern like 03:57:102 (3,4,5,6) -. ok

⬛04:15:587 (1,2,3,4) - You should probably choose to change the 04:19:797 (1,2,3,4) - pattern to 04:15:587 (1,2,3,4) or the 04:15:587 (1,2,3,4) pattern to 04:19:797 (1,2,3,4).. I Only hear the really low pitched strong piano sound 2 times around that part and the patterns are different. If there are only 2 parts I think making the pattern same would make the player feel a bit more natural when playing the map. well i made the patern at 4:15 to go with 4:07,
but the first one was a regular flow while this one is an anti-flow. and i think i'll keep the patern at 4:19 just because it's the end of this section and i would like to keep it simpler.
updated, thank you!
-Hex-
Sorry for long wait.
[Lulu Lemon]
Maybe map this part : 05:29:525 till 05:37:200 - ?
  1. 00:04:509 (6,7) - (7) has stronger sound tha (6). (7) still has weak emphasize in my opinion, you could increase the distance like x:484 for better emphasize.
  2. 00:15:939 (6,7) - Same as above, move (7) to x:24 would be better to place.
  3. 00:32:013 (1,2) - This time you have different spacing compared with the same pattern you have. Maybe move (2) to x:360?
  4. 02:12:878 (7) - Maybe make this slider curved?. You have curved sliders on that section and it's weird to have vertical slider suddenly and ruins the flow IMO.
  5. 02:36:076 (6) - Move this slider to x:392? because it's easy to overshoot imo.
  6. 02:29:623 (1) - Same as 02:36:076 (6) -
  7. 04:07:955 (7) - Maybe NC this one?. To keep consistent with your NC pattern.
[Ascendance]
  1. 02:55:437 (2) - Make this slider horizontal?. I expect more movements like this one 02:52:646 (2) -

My mod just nazi thing, so feel free to reject. I'm not really good to mod high star maps.
Good luck, really nice map.
Topic Starter
-rage

-Hex- wrote:

Sorry for long wait.
[notice][Lulu Lemon]
Maybe map this part : 05:29:525 till 05:37:200 - ? sound is too faint to be mapped i think, and it makes for a nice transition because you can hear the new melody of the song and it gives you an idea on how the music goes the the end section.
  1. 00:04:509 (6,7) - (7) has stronger sound tha (6). (7) still has weak emphasize in my opinion, you could increase the distance like x:484 for better emphasize. ok
  2. 00:15:939 (6,7) - Same as above, move (7) to x:24 would be better to place. ok
  3. 00:32:013 (1,2) - This time you have different spacing compared with the same pattern you have. Maybe move (2) to x:360? ok
  4. 02:12:878 (7) - Maybe make this slider curved?. You have curved sliders on that section and it's weird to have vertical slider suddenly and ruins the flow IMO. i think it's fine, makes for the un-expected which is the point of this section.
  5. 02:36:076 (6) - Move this slider to x:392? because it's easy to overshoot imo. not that close but ok
  6. 02:29:623 (1) - Same as 02:36:076 (6) - think you may have mistaken here
  7. 04:07:955 (7) - Maybe NC this one?. To keep consistent with your NC pattern. NC the (8) instead for consistensy
thank you!
-Luminate
Hi! From your request in my queue

lulu lemon
  1. 00:50:553 (1,2,3,4,5) - ctrl+H and x:152? the pattern seems weighed on the right too much
  2. 00:56:483 (3,4) - square-shaped looks better? imo
  3. 01:03:809 (5,6) - arrange the note like 01:03:111 (1,2) ? cuz straight note looks strange
  4. 01:57:181 (3,4,5,6) - curve this?
  5. 02:04:506 (1,2,3,4) - ^^
  6. 02:05:204 (1,2) - "\ /" pattern would flow better
  7. 02:14:623 (2,3,4,5) - making it like this?
  8. 02:21:600 (5) - seperate this to emphasize the clap sound making Hdash like this
  9. 02:21:949 (1,2) - making it like this would be easier to follow as the pattern you made is a little bit too sudden
  10. 02:23:344 (1) - bent this slider a little? I know you want to tap dash here but I suggest this then I won't be too hard to tap
  11. 02:32:413 (1,2,3,4) - rearrange this by placing the notes closer to each other
  12. 02:37:995 (2) - whistle sound and nc here instead of 02:37:908 (6)
Ascendance
  1. 01:51:948 (3,4,5,6,7) - the distance of the notes here look strange I suggest reducing the spacing between these notes
  2. 02:40:785 (1) - curve this? after all streams madness this would make the flow suddenly stopped
  3. 03:10:090 (3,4) - bent this slider more open?(not straight but a little bit more like " / /")
  4. 04:52:560 (2) - trigger distance should be enough?
  5. 04:53:218 (5) - move closer to (4) a little bit
  6. 04:53:481 (1) - x:96 and 04:53:876 (4) - x:448 is enough?
  7. 04:54:534 (1) - x:344?
Hope this helps! (unique streams but I like it!) :)
Jemzuu
hewwo m4

lulu lemon
  1. 00:49:855 (4,5) - the spacing here is too close imo even tho the drum and the piano gives a strong sound i'd move them to like x228 perhaps
  2. 00:51:251 (5) - personal preference but i'd make this a hyper, i think the sound is strong enough to make it a hdash and the pixel jump just feels unnatural for me tbh as well as the spacing to 00:51:948 (1) - is really dense give it more distance, move it to x170 if u agree idk just my suggestion tho
  3. 00:56:832 (5) - same here make it a hdash (or not) i understand putting hdashes too much for the intro is quite absurd since it's calm but i'd give this more space same reason above try x180 for normal dash and if u want move it to x160 for hdash
  4. 01:01:018 (4,5) - i'd ctrl+g these two for variation cus the pattern that you've been copying from 00:55:437 (4,5) - is getting quite dull why not some little variation like what u did here 01:06:599 (4,5) - also since i think there's a little change on the sound as well
  5. 01:03:111 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i wish u gave more spacing emphasis to these the pixel jumps seem unvaried to me you could make it more interesting what i'd suggest is smth like this andye u get it and it also follows the same idea as 01:05:902 (1,2,3) - and other similar one so i'd highly recommend this kind of pattern
  6. 02:14:274 (1) - imo the repeat just ruins the flow i'd just make it a 1/2 slider instead cus it kinda follows the same sound as 02:12:878 (1) - if u listen carefully or just change anything not just that repeat it doesnt' fit in imo
  7. 04:20:850 - tbh the spinner here doesnt suit in especially the bpm is getting intense and that flow would just break even tho the spinner is just a second long, i'd make this a slider instead to keep the pace of the map before the kiai comes i recommend a hyper to it as well
  8. 05:37:549 - lower the volume here since the music is very soft in this section make louder and louder as the music goes 05:41:386 - 05:43:130 - 05:45:921 - 05:48:711 - give specific volumes for these timing points
  9. 06:00:921 (2,3,4) - quite overmapped somehow even tho song is calm smth like this is what i'd do or make something similar cus the dash on the slider is quite absurd imo just keep it simple and calm down also make 06:01:270 (5,6) - consistent with 06:04:060 (4,5) -
  10. 06:07:200 (4,5,6) - just noticed that u did it here i like this one
  11. 06:11:386 (2) - placing this on the left side feels more comfy and consistent imo
  12. 06:25:353 (3) - moving the sliderend more to right would feel more nice as an ending like 06:20:876 (1) - rather than just a straight one

Ascendance
  1. 01:17:064 (1) - this slider could get more space imo the piano gives quite a strong sound buff it to x244 perhaps
  2. 01:19:332 (2) - i dont understand this note here like what emphasis is it trying to give with that very short distance. imo this could get more space to emphasize the beat try giving it a normal dash like maybe x240
  3. 01:33:460 (8) - quite underspaced imo i think this deserves more spacing cus the distance here atm is quite dreary imo, giving it a bit more spacing gap before that specific part ends cus the next section is a calm one; i'd suggest buffing it to x244
  4. 01:35:901 (7) - i think this should have more spacing rather than just giving it a small spacing not giving emphasis to the strong beat 01:36:251 (8) - here i dont really hear anything that supoorts the spacing of this note imo. (7) should have more spacing thus it has the most prominent sound like what u did on 01:41:483 (7) - or ur last resort can be is u could make it a slider if u kinda want to vary it from the next similar thing
  5. 01:51:251 (2,3) - spacing here is quite near imo what i'd do is ctrl+g 01:51:948 (3,4) - stack (5) with (3) then move (7) to same x as (4) or just stack it then move 01:52:995 (8,1) - to x250 just a suggestion however feel free to ignore
  6. 01:55:262 (2) - i feel like this shoud be a hyper to make it more natural cus the pixel jump is quite uncomfy catching the stream part like maybe x165
  7. 02:47:762 (2,3,4,5,6) - i expected this to be more on the right side placing them manually to x128 would be more natural imo ctrl+h 02:49:158 (1) - after or anything just adjust it afterwards as well the next circle after the slider
that's all, i hope i helped somehow i really liked the kiai part btw there's smth about it xd gj
GL~
Topic Starter
-rage

-Luminate wrote:

Hi! From your request in my queue

lulu lemon
  1. 00:50:553 (1,2,3,4,5) - ctrl+H and x:152? the pattern seems weighed on the right too much ok
  2. 00:56:483 (3,4) - square-shaped looks better? imo ok
  3. 01:03:809 (5,6) - arrange the note like 01:03:111 (1,2) ? cuz straight note looks strange ok
  4. 01:57:181 (3,4,5,6) - curve this? i think its fine because this small section has a lot of straight streams like that.
  5. 02:04:506 (1,2,3,4) - ^^ ^^
  6. 02:05:204 (1,2) - "\ /" pattern would flow better i think it has good flow? maybe it's just me.
  7. 02:14:623 (2,3,4,5) - making it like this? ok
  8. 02:21:600 (5) - seperate this to emphasize the clap sound making Hdash like this ok
  9. 02:21:949 (1,2) - making it like this would be easier to follow as the pattern you made is a little bit too sudden i think it's fine, it flows well enough
  10. 02:23:344 (1) - bent this slider a little? I know you want to tap dash here but I suggest this then I won't be too hard to tap ok
  11. 02:32:413 (1,2,3,4) - rearrange this by placing the notes closer to each other i think it's fine, a straight long stream with same distanced notes wouldnt make sense really
  12. 02:37:995 (2) - whistle sound and nc here instead of 02:37:908 (6) good catch

AJamez wrote:

hewwo m4

lulu lemon
  1. 00:49:855 (4,5) - the spacing here is too close imo even tho the drum and the piano gives a strong sound i'd move them to like x228 perhaps fixed with luminate's mod
  2. 00:51:251 (5) - personal preference but i'd make this a hyper, i think the sound is strong enough to make it a hdash and the pixel jump just feels unnatural for me tbh as well as the spacing to 00:51:948 (1) - is really dense give it more distance, move it to x170 if u agree idk just my suggestion tho
  3. 00:56:832 (5) - same here make it a hdash (or not) i understand putting hdashes too much for the intro is quite absurd since it's calm but i'd give this more space same reason above try x180 for normal dash and if u want move it to x160 for hdash will think about it
  4. 01:01:018 (4,5) - i'd ctrl+g these two for variation cus the pattern that you've been copying from 00:55:437 (4,5) - is getting quite dull why not some little variation like what u did here 01:06:599 (4,5) - also since i think there's a little change on the sound as well ok
  5. 01:03:111 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i wish u gave more spacing emphasis to these the pixel jumps seem unvaried to me you could make it more interesting what i'd suggest is smth like this andye u get it and it also follows the same idea as 01:05:902 (1,2,3) - and other similar one so i'd highly recommend this kind of pattern hmm i think this is fine
  6. 02:14:274 (1) - imo the repeat just ruins the flow i'd just make it a 1/2 slider instead cus it kinda follows the same sound as 02:12:878 (1) - if u listen carefully or just change anything not just that repeat it doesnt' fit in imo keeping it for consistensy honestly, there's a few other places i use the reverse and i think it suits well for this section.
  7. 04:20:850 - tbh the spinner here doesnt suit in especially the bpm is getting intense and that flow would just break even tho the spinner is just a second long, i'd make this a slider instead to keep the pace of the map before the kiai comes i recommend a hyper to it as well hmm the spinner is mostly to indicate the random higher pitch synth going in the background and to move to the kiai section
  8. 05:37:549 - lower the volume here since the music is very soft in this section make louder and louder as the music goes 05:41:386 - 05:43:130 - 05:45:921 - 05:48:711 - give specific volumes for these timing points ok
  9. 06:00:921 (2,3,4) - quite overmapped somehow even tho song is calm smth like this is what i'd do or make something similar cus the dash on the slider is quite absurd imo just keep it simple and calm down also make 06:01:270 (5,6) - consistent with 06:04:060 (4,5) - moved the 5 slider closer.
  10. 06:07:200 (4,5,6) - just noticed that u did it here i like this one
  11. 06:11:386 (2) - placing this on the left side feels more comfy and consistent imo made some changes on my own
  12. 06:25:353 (3) - moving the sliderend more to right would feel more nice as an ending like 06:20:876 (1) - rather than just a straight one ok a little bit
thank you!!
Ascendance

JeirYagtama wrote:

a this is kind of an unusual m4m cos i heard homestuck from my other friends lo also you arent gonna colorhax this? xd

ascendance
01:14:274 (1) - hmmm maybe curve this slider out a little bit more like this to emphasize the loud piano sound a bit more? think it's okay

also if you took my suggestion about the slider move 01:14:797 (2) - to x:211 for a more comfortable sidedash to play.
03:11:486 (1,2,3) - not sure why did you map this when the start of the slider doesnt have any sound to map on while you the slider ends has heads have low notes, tails have high notes


Couldnt really find that much detectable issues in the map but the streams kinda need more flow imo

gl

- G i G a s - wrote:


GiGas Modding Q
  • 🔵 Blue for suggestions: Just little suggestions. Nothing wrong with it.
    🔴 Red for little warnings : Is fine but might want to fix it.
    ⬛ ⚫ Black for unrankable :Fix it if your map wants to get ranked
    ⬛ Ⓜ️ For my comments for the map or just personal things!










Depths

Ascendance Mod
🔵 Blue for suggestions
⬛02:55:437 (2) - This part needs a sharper angle like 02:52:646 (2) -. + Same sounds so i prefer using the same slider. You don't need to use the same but a sharper slider would be great! not the same slider but did something

🔴 Red for little warnings



⬛04:46:639 (3,4,5,6) - i only see this kind of pattern once in the drop. I think this pattern is odd to just be in that place. Maybe like this pattern? 04:52:955 (4,5) - it's used directly after in the next section but i'll reduce distance here

⬛04:51:376 (1) -This note is too far away from the previous one. I think its over emphasized. reduced it

⬛04:49:797 (3,4)+04:54:008 (1,2) - I hear the small distorted sound but i don't think its strong enough to deserve a dash. Maybe x=388 so it would not need a dash? I think it's fine the way it is!


⚫ Black for unrankable

⬛ I don't see any!



Ⓜ️ My comments!
This is technically my first ctb modding. If this mod actually helped you feel free to give me kudosu. I had fun modding and had fun playing this map too! Thanks for requesting Lulu Lemon. I will hit you up on osu PM's when my M4M map is ready!



Modding Q from: p/6278673/

-Hex- wrote:

Sorry for long wait.
[Ascendance]
  1. 02:55:437 (2) - Make this slider horizontal?. I expect more movements like this one 02:52:646 (2) - okay

My mod just nazi thing, so feel free to reject. I'm not really good to mod high star maps.
Good luck, really nice map.

-Luminate wrote:

Hi! From your request in my queue

Ascendance
  1. 01:51:948 (3,4,5,6,7) - the distance of the notes here look strange I suggest reducing the spacing between these notes sure
  2. 02:40:785 (1) - curve this? after all streams madness this would make the flow suddenly stopped ok
  3. 03:10:090 (3,4) - bent this slider more open?(not straight but a little bit more like " / /") I think it's fine the way it is!
  4. 04:52:560 (2) - trigger distance should be enough? reduced
  5. 04:53:218 (5) - move closer to (4) a little bit okay
  6. 04:53:481 (1) - x:96 and 04:53:876 (4) - x:448 is enough? most intense part so i think it's okay to keep
  7. 04:54:534 (1) - x:344? want to keep hdash
Hope this helps! (unique streams but I like it!) :)

AJamez wrote:

hewwo m4

Ascendance
  1. 01:17:064 (1) - this slider could get more space imo the piano gives quite a strong sound buff it to x244 perhaps A bit too far, I did 215 instead.
  2. 01:19:332 (2) - i dont understand this note here like what emphasis is it trying to give with that very short distance. imo this could get more space to emphasize the beat try giving it a normal dash like maybe x240 275 instead
  3. 01:33:460 (8) - quite underspaced imo i think this deserves more spacing cus the distance here atm is quite dreary imo, giving it a bit more spacing gap before that specific part ends cus the next section is a calm one; i'd suggest buffing it to x244 ok
  4. 01:35:901 (7) - i think this should have more spacing rather than just giving it a small spacing not giving emphasis to the strong beat 01:36:251 (8) - here i dont really hear anything that supoorts the spacing of this note imo. (7) should have more spacing thus it has the most prominent sound like what u did on 01:41:483 (7) - or ur last resort can be is u could make it a slider if u kinda want to vary it from the next similar thing yeeeeeee
  5. 01:51:251 (2,3) - spacing here is quite near imo what i'd do is ctrl+g 01:51:948 (3,4) - stack (5) with (3) then move (7) to same x as (4) or just stack it then move 01:52:995 (8,1) - to x250 just a suggestion however feel free to ignore I think it's okaaay
  6. 01:55:262 (2) - i feel like this shoud be a hyper to make it more natural cus the pixel jump is quite uncomfy catching the stream part like maybe x165 nice catch, my mistake
  7. 02:47:762 (2,3,4,5,6) - i expected this to be more on the right side placing them manually to x128 would be more natural imo ctrl+h 02:49:158 (1) - after or anything just adjust it afterwards as well the next circle after the slider should be ok
that's all, i hope i helped somehow i really liked the kiai part btw there's smth about it xd gj
GL~
Thanks!

https://ascendance.s-ul.eu/NRrhKWLw
Hareimu
mod thing

[General]
  1. your map doesn't have combo colours. try adding some! I personally suggest blue, sky-blue and grayish white (since you can't use pure white as a colour), but that's up to you to decide.
[Timing]
  1. 03:25:441 - 05:48:711 - useless green lines
[Hitsounds]
  1. soft-sliderslide doesn't work for anything in ctb since seeds/droplets don't have any sound (except for the soft-slidertick but that's another topic), so please remove the file.
[Depths]
  1. 01:12:530 (4,1) - maybe the dash between these two is a bit too strong, I suggest moving 01:12:878 (1) - to x:140
  2. 03:13:579 (4) - move this to x:260? It's a calm part so that dash between the previous and next fruits to this object is kinda unexpected tbh
  3. 04:49:929 (4) - Move to x:352? The distances are rather big as of now, enough to cause unnecessary shitmisses. Same with 04:54:139 (2) - , but to x:292 would be best IMO.
  4. 06:18:056 (1) - why is this a spinner? I get that the std version had it but I so expected a slider to be there instead it kinda let me down.

there wasn't much to point out, the map in general is fine rankability-wise. Good luck!
Topic Starter
-rage

Hareimu wrote:

mod thing

[General]
  1. your map doesn't have combo colours. try adding some! I personally suggest blue, sky-blue and grayish white (since you can't use pure white as a colour), but that's up to you to decide. oops, changed
[Timing]
  1. 03:25:441 - 05:48:711 - useless green lines sure
[Hitsounds]
  1. soft-sliderslide doesn't work for anything in ctb since seeds/droplets don't have any sound (except for the soft-slidertick but that's another topic), so please remove the file. sure
[Depths]
  1. 06:18:056 (1) - why is this a spinner? I get that the std version had it but I so expected a slider to be there instead it kinda let me down. i think its nice to have a spinner there because it seperates the two sections well instead of transitionning a slider into more sliders. and it makes for a nice ending too imo.

there wasn't much to point out, the map in general is fine rankability-wise. Good luck!
thank you Hareimu <3
Hareimu
I've got almost no complaints for the whole map if I were to icon it, except for the stream patterns used (and the way they were used, too) in the deathstream section starting from 01:56:134 - here to 02:39:390 - here. In some places it seems to stop following a consistent structure for no apparent reason to then restart following it correctly, rinsing and repeating all over again quite a few times. It also has some weird pattern choices regarding shapes and intuitive movements in a good bunch of places.

Examples of these errors are:
  1. 02:07:297 - Until here you decided to emphasize the soft-hitwhistles and finishes with hyperdashes, and I'm okay with that, but for some reason you then decided to start using hypers into not-so-important notes such as 02:08:344 (7) - which, worth re-mentioning, isn't really that outstanding from the rest. Same happens again at 02:12:442 (4,5) -
  2. Continuing from the above point regarding mishaps on structure, it's unclear to me how you wanted to follow the soft-hitclap sounds, whether by using dashes or by using noticeable movement differences or directly not doing so at all at points. 01:56:483 (2,1) - here you decided to have a dash, as for 01:58:139 (8,1) - it's camouflaged between the movement made to catch 01:57:879 (5,6,7,8,2,3,4,5,6) - all these, so it's really unclear what kind of emphasis you're trying to give to it, not to mention 02:02:064 (2,3) - you didn't even give it a dash here this time. tl;dr: distances and emphasis for different sounds are really unclear for most of the streaming section, so you might want to review them whole and perhaps even consider remapping them while taking into account what emphasis you want to give all the sounds in the section (say, dash for whistle sounds, hyper for finishes, hyper for claps too, but consistently and with reasoning behind).
  3. The streamshapes. To begin with, 01:56:134 (1,2) - this kind of stationary antiflow movement should not be used to begin a deathstream section unless you're gonna use them as a gimmick consistently throughout the whole section (which in itself is quite hard to do correctly in the first place, mind you).
    Then you get 01:57:006 (2,3,4,5,6) - this kind of antiflowing dash movement between 2 and 3 into the rest of the quadruplet conformed by 3,4,5,6, which by the way is really unintuitive when it comes to tell out whether to walk to catch them or do a stutter movement, since walking them throughout is guaranteed to cause a shitmiss on either 5 or 6 (a.k.a. increase the distancing between the notes in the quadruplet, maybe? don't really take these into account if you consider remapping it with a different pattern in mind).
    Then you have 01:58:577 (3,4,5,6) - , which for some reason are spaced correctly so that they can be catched with a walk without overshooting. This makes me wonder why you didn't use this for the first quadruplet I mentioned, but whatever.
    After that you have 01:58:837 (6,1) - this sort of strong hyperdash into a stationary position, which is really uncomfortable taking into notice the fact that you had to make a weird antiflow movement between all 01:58:403 (2,3,4,5,6) - to then hyperdash into that vertical kickslider. It's really forced and it does not fit at all with the mood of the music in the BG, even if it's an offsetting crescendo.
    02:04:332 (4,1,2,3,4) - This also affects gameplay in the same way as the previous mentioned antiflow pattern, since now you're hyperdashing into both an antiflow and a stuttery movement quadruplet, which basically kills off the mood being rather cheap to the player.
  4. 02:03:111 (1,2,3,4) - I get that you wanted to vary a bit in the shape of the 4plet curves, but this is rather ugly aesthetically. I'd be much better off using 02:04:158 (3,4) - this kind of shape since it's the most similar one to this curve I'm pointing out and it'd look even nicer.
  5. The second part of the streaming section (02:18:460 - until the end of it) is basically a compilation of the aforementioned structure and patterning issues over and over again, but with a soft-hitclap every two white ticks, so yeah, I shouldn't be mentioning everything twenty times over and over anyway, I think you can tell the issues apart on your own.
  6. 02:27:879 (3,5) - also soft-hitclap should be swapped here, just noticed.

All of these by themselves aren't really unrankable if given valid reasoning behind them in an exhaustive way, but when they all combine it becomes a maelstrom of bad patterning choices that I'd rather see reviewed and, most likely, scrapped and remade with better structure and reasoning backing said structure up.

As I said before though, the rest of the map is okay to my eyes. If you ever get to find me online ingame, pm me so that I can help you with more in-depth advice over how you should fix the deathstream (if you're not gonna remap it whole, that is). Also don't hesitate to ask other mappers/BNs for opinions if I'm not an option, since you'll need a second BN to qualify this anyway.

I hope to see these issues addressed properly for when you call me back.
Professor Gila
wai wai wai, a collab? :o
Ascendance
Thanks hareimu, fixed the 3 points in my part <:

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225,118,294666,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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204,341,295060,1,10,0:0:0:0:
140,281,295191,1,0,0:0:0:0:
146,195,295323,1,2,0:0:0:0:
217,145,295454,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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378,54,296639,1,0,0:0:0:0:
292,68,296770,1,0,0:0:0:0:
253,145,296902,1,0,0:0:0:0:
293,223,297033,1,0,0:0:0:0:
378,236,297165,1,0,0:0:0:0:
185,283,297429,1,0,0:0:0:0:
426,346,297692,5,0,0:0:0:0:
428,258,297823,1,0,0:0:0:0:
370,191,297955,1,0,0:0:0:0:
283,180,298086,1,0,0:0:0:0:
118,346,298218,5,0,0:0:0:0:
115,258,298349,1,0,0:0:0:0:
173,191,298481,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,180,298612,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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176,41,299271,2,0,L|286:52,3,90
476,79,299797,6,0,L|479:168,1,90
381,247,300060,2,0,L|289:254,1,90
134,219,300324,2,0,L|141:314,1,90
274,337,300587,2,0,L|377:344,1,90
298,233,300850,6,0,L|190:239,1,90
92,191,301113,2,0,L|81:81,1,90
210,134,301376,2,0,L|302:126,1,90
174,222,301639,2,0,L|284:210,1,90
393,306,301903,6,0,L|387:193,1,90
244,187,302166,2,0,L|233:94,1,90
131,221,302429,2,0,L|29:234,1,90
162,303,302692,2,0,L|253:293,1,90
359,347,302955,5,0,0:0:0:0:
412,278,303086,1,0,0:0:0:0:
394,193,303218,1,0,0:0:0:0:
316,153,303349,1,0,0:0:0:0:
198,152,303481,2,0,L|100:168,3,90
459,260,304008,5,4,0:0:0:0:
256,192,304139,12,4,308218,0:0:0:0:
256,192,308350,12,4,312429,0:0:0:0:
112,64,337549,6,0,P|72:136|136:216,1,180,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
232,152,338595,1,2,0:0:0:0:
296,152,338711,1,0,0:0:0:0:
232,152,338828,1,0,0:0:0:0:
132,220,338944,2,0,L|256:216,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,168,339642,2,0,L|268:164,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,108,340339,6,0,P|96:140|176:160,1,180,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,152,341386,1,2,0:0:0:0:
172,80,341735,2,0,P|96:84|80:188,1,180,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
240,184,342781,1,2,0:0:0:0:
440,176,343130,6,0,L|404:76,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
212,176,343828,2,0,L|248:76,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
456,100,344525,1,2,0:0:0:0:
200,100,344874,1,2,0:0:0:0:
152,100,344990,1,0,0:0:0:0:
200,100,345107,1,0,0:0:0:0:
328,104,345223,2,0,P|380:112|444:120,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
248,92,345921,5,2,0:0:0:0:
480,88,346270,1,0,0:0:0:0:
236,152,346618,1,2,0:0:0:0:
356,152,346967,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,347316,12,0,348363,0:0:0:0:
104,72,348711,6,0,P|48:88|120:148,1,180,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
280,164,349758,1,2,0:0:0:0:
360,164,349874,1,0,0:0:0:0:
440,164,349991,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,116,350107,2,0,L|228:116,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,156,350804,1,2,0:0:0:0:
140,168,351153,1,0,0:0:0:0:
400,104,351502,6,0,L|412:212,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
136,152,352200,1,2,0:0:0:0:
312,152,352549,1,0,0:0:0:0:
68,88,352897,2,0,B|44:148|44:148|176:148,1,180,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,140,353944,5,2,0:0:0:0:
320,140,354118,1,0,0:0:0:0:
212,200,354293,2,0,L|324:200,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
84,120,354990,1,2,0:0:0:0:
308,96,355339,1,2,0:0:0:0:
216,96,355514,1,0,0:0:0:0:
316,144,355688,2,0,L|428:144,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,144,356386,2,0,L|86:144,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
332,144,357083,5,0,0:0:0:0:
140,72,357432,2,0,P|92:112|172:176,1,180,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,104,358479,2,0,L|392:208,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
240,136,359177,1,0,0:0:0:0:
88,140,359525,1,0,0:0:0:0:
372,88,359874,6,0,P|428:120|352:156,1,180,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
124,128,360921,1,2,0:0:0:0:
204,128,361037,1,0,0:0:0:0:
284,128,361154,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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444,132,362316,1,0,0:0:0:0:
148,128,362665,6,0,L|124:232,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,140,363363,1,2,0:0:0:0:
152,140,363711,1,0,0:0:0:0:
412,128,364060,2,0,L|304:128,2,90,2|0|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
160,120,365107,1,0,0:0:0:0:
440,116,365456,6,0,L|436:232,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
228,156,366153,2,0,L|328:156,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
104,120,366851,1,2,0:0:0:0:
288,120,367200,1,2,0:0:0:0:
344,120,367316,1,0,0:0:0:0:
288,120,367433,1,0,0:0:0:0:
176,120,367549,2,0,L|72:120,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
380,100,368246,6,0,L|380:192,1,90,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
136,128,368944,1,2,0:0:0:0:
376,128,369293,1,0,0:0:0:0:
184,88,369642,2,0,P|96:148|216:236,1,270,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
376,64,371037,5,2,0:0:0:0:
424,156,371386,1,0,0:0:0:0:
300,256,371735,1,2,0:0:0:0:
96,260,372083,1,0,0:0:0:0:
300,108,372432,2,0,P|388:168|268:256,1,270,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
104,112,373803,5,2,0:0:0:0:
348,96,374151,1,0,0:0:0:0:
200,168,374500,1,2,0:0:0:0:
452,136,374849,1,0,0:0:0:0:
264,56,375198,2,0,B|192:84|192:84|324:100|324:100|236:132,1,270,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
104,112,376593,5,2,0:0:0:0:
232,156,376958,1,0,0:0:0:0:
176,276,377324,1,2,0:0:0:0:
60,304,377690,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,378056,12,0,380130,0:0:0:0:
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280,40,383115,2,0,L|48:340,1,360,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,16,385353,2,0,L|408:368,1,360,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
Sorceress
So so sorry for being tragically late with this

[
General
]
  1. Background: Your current BG is pretty low resolution at 1024x768. I found a slightly larger version at 1280x1024 but also made an upscaled 1920x1080 version though with some necessary cropping
[
Depths
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  • lulu lemon
  1. 00:04:509 (6,7) - I'd say 00:04:867 (7) - is the strongest sound here and there should really be a dash between these two notes instead of between 00:04:152 (5,6) -. Same again with 00:15:582 (5,6,7) -
  2. 00:45:586 (1) - Feels a bit unclear what this spinner is following as the sound is fairly weak when it starts. I'd recommend starting this a bit later at 00:46:300 - where the sound becomes much clearer
  3. 00:53:867 (2,3,4) - Tripple hyper here is quite intense but this section is pretty calm overall. I'd recommend making 00:53:867 (2,3) - a dash instead of a hyperdash to bring the intensity of this pattern down a little
  4. 00:56:658 (4,5) - Distance here could do with an increase to about 2.0x ds to match up with 00:51:076 (4,5) - and 01:02:239 (4,5) -
  5. 01:07:646 (1,2,3,4) - The sounds this stream is following are fairly weak so I don't like how this pattern encourages holding dash. I'd stick with a pattern similar to 01:07:297 (1,2,3,4) - which only requires walking
  6. 02:17:762 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - There's a noticeable pitch decrease happening here which I think would be better represented with a smaller spaced walkable stream instead of having a hyper at 02:18:023 (4,5) - between two c shaped curves. It would help to add some contrast too to the next section as 02:18:372 (8,1) - currently is pretty similar emphasis wise
  7. 02:25:437 (1,2,3,4) - This gradually increasing spacing in the same direction isn't too nice to play as it's not easy to gradually increase your catcher movement to match. It's not too bad here but it's still noticeable that (4) is sticking out a fair bit which doesn't look too great aesthetically either. I'd recommend just making the distance between the notes here consistent
  8. 03:39:396 (1,2,3,4,5) - Movements are pretty weak here. I see the effect you're going for but it only really requires a slight movement for the last note. I'd recommend to buff the distances a bit to make this effect more noticeable but still keep it walkable, same for 03:42:187 (1,2,3,4,5) -
  9. 03:57:561 (4,5) - Quite weak distance here, it's a weak dash compared to the next instance of this at 04:02:217 (4,5) - which uses a strong hyper. I'd atleast make this dash stronger
  10. 04:02:217 (4,5) - Speaking of this hyper the strength is probably too much, the buildup in this section hasn't really got going yet so I'd recommend using a distance closer to the minimum hyper distance
  11. 04:20:850 (1) - This spinner feels out of place to me, would expect to see a continuation of 04:19:797 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - instead
  12. 06:20:130 - I feel this sound would be best represented with a note instead of a spinner end. Try ending the spinner earlier at 06:19:885 - and adding in a note on 06:20:130 -

    Ascendance
  13. 04:53:481 (1,2,3,4) - and 04:54:534 (1,2,3) - Possible to nerf the hyperstrength used in these two patterns a bit? These are quite strong and a bit tricky used in these back and forth patterns which makes for a bit of a diff spike very late in the map

I'd be happy to bubble this beatmap and Hareimu is willing to qualify though I'd like to get a check on the timing before moving forward to avoid any unessecary disqualifications. I didn't notice anything wrong myself but I tend to be a bit blind to these things and as the timing is from a 4 year old mapset I'd rather be on the safe side

tl;dr call me back
Topic Starter
-rage
why did the title change to just "Erik" .-.

Sorcerer wrote:

So so sorry for being tragically late with this

[
General
]
  1. Background: Your current BG is pretty low resolution at 1024x768. I found a slightly larger version at 1280x1024 but also made an upscaled 1920x1080 version though with some necessary cropping changed to the 1920x1080, thanks
[
Depths
]

  • lulu lemon
  1. 00:04:509 (6,7) - I'd say 00:04:867 (7) - is the strongest sound here and there should really be a dash between these two notes instead of between 00:04:152 (5,6) -. Same again with 00:15:582 (5,6,7) - ok
  2. 00:45:586 (1) - Feels a bit unclear what this spinner is following as the sound is fairly weak when it starts. I'd recommend starting this a bit later at 00:46:300 - where the sound becomes much clearer ok
  3. 00:53:867 (2,3,4) - Tripple hyper here is quite intense but this section is pretty calm overall. I'd recommend making 00:53:867 (2,3) - a dash instead of a hyperdash to bring the intensity of this pattern down a little ok
  4. 00:56:658 (4,5) - Distance here could do with an increase to about 2.0x ds to match up with 00:51:076 (4,5) - and 01:02:239 (4,5) - ok
  5. 01:07:646 (1,2,3,4) - The sounds this stream is following are fairly weak so I don't like how this pattern encourages holding dash. I'd stick with a pattern similar to 01:07:297 (1,2,3,4) - which only requires walking i decreased the diastance a little bit so it's walkable while still keeping the original pattern
  6. 02:17:762 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - There's a noticeable pitch decrease happening here which I think would be better represented with a smaller spaced walkable stream instead of having a hyper at 02:18:023 (4,5) - between two c shaped curves. It would help to add some contrast too to the next section as 02:18:372 (8,1) - currently is pretty similar emphasis wise did some changes, not sure exactly what you meant but i tried understanding and fixing the issue
  7. 02:25:437 (1,2,3,4) - This gradually increasing spacing in the same direction isn't too nice to play as it's not easy to gradually increase your catcher movement to match. It's not too bad here but it's still noticeable that (4) is sticking out a fair bit which doesn't look too great aesthetically either. I'd recommend just making the distance between the notes here consistent ok
  8. 03:39:396 (1,2,3,4,5) - Movements are pretty weak here. I see the effect you're going for but it only really requires a slight movement for the last note. I'd recommend to buff the distances a bit to make this effect more noticeable but still keep it walkable, same for 03:42:187 (1,2,3,4,5) - ok
  9. 03:57:561 (4,5) - Quite weak distance here, it's a weak dash compared to the next instance of this at 04:02:217 (4,5) - which uses a strong hyper. I'd atleast make this dash stronger ok
  10. 04:02:217 (4,5) - Speaking of this hyper the strength is probably too much, the buildup in this section hasn't really got going yet so I'd recommend using a distance closer to the minimum hyper distance ok
  11. 04:20:850 (1) - This spinner feels out of place to me, would expect to see a continuation of 04:19:797 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - instead it'ss to emphasize the sortof strong white noise that helps to transition onto the next section
  12. 06:20:130 - I feel this sound would be best represented with a note instead of a spinner end. Try ending the spinner earlier at 06:19:885 - and adding in a note on 06:20:130 - i honestly think it's a good transition, comparing it to the next 3 sliders where the same sound end on a slider tail i feel like it's fitting to end this spinner on the sound

    Ascendance
  13. 04:53:481 (1,2,3,4) - and 04:54:534 (1,2,3) - Possible to nerf the hyperstrength used in these two patterns a bit? These are quite strong and a bit tricky used in these back and forth patterns which makes for a bit of a diff spike very late in the map

I'd be happy to bubble this beatmap and Hareimu is willing to qualify though I'd like to get a check on the timing before moving forward to avoid any unessecary disqualifications. I didn't notice anything wrong myself but I tend to be a bit blind to these things and as the timing is from a 4 year old mapset I'd rather be on the safe side

tl;dr call me back
Thank you very much!
Ascendance
@only canadian without a retarded w name

04:53:876 (4) - to x:452 please

the second pattern doesnt seem that hard to me but the first one is paired with harsh antiflow so i'll lighten it a bit.

Thanks sorcerer!
Topic Starter
-rage
updated, waiting for timing check
celerih
@ascendance hey don't exclude me, I'm Canadian amd while I am retarded I don't have a w name ):<

Also this song is sick, this might be too hard for me but it's nice this is mapped (:
Topic Starter
-rage

celerih wrote:

@ascendance hey don't exclude me, I'm Canadian amd while I am retarded I don't have a w name ):<

Also this song is sick, this might be too hard for me but it's nice this is mapped (:
Thanks celerwww :^)
Ascendance

celerih wrote:

@ascendance hey don't exclude me, I'm Canadian amd while I am retarded I don't have a w name ):<

Also this song is sick, this might be too hard for me but it's nice this is mapped (:
cewery ow o
Xinnoh
hello i can time

Three issues, first is at 03:55:221 where it becomes a bit early, but that's a really simple fix.
Here is the original https://puu.sh/zyUf2/f0f2799362.png
Change it to this https://puu.sh/zyUeQ/e588f8bc92.png

Second issue is that kiai needs to stay at 114 bpm. Timing is usually decided by the percussion, and it sounds a lot more like 114.

The last one I found was that 02:40:778 should be changed to 86 bpm, since most of the offsets around 03:39:389 are a bit late, that and composers never make a song in 85.99 bpm. Add an 85 bpm line at 03:49:854 to compensate for the change at the end.
Sorceress
Thanks for taking a look Sinnoh <3. I also got this back from dsco in PM about some BPM's being halved

dsco wrote:

second tick (172bpm) seems to be about 10ms early
seems like you can delete the 3rd tick (85.99 bpm) which is randomly halving the bpm and then minus 0.01 which ends up being unnecessary anyways
as well, all the bpm ramp ups until 228bpm should be doubled i believe. the drum's groove is different, but the melody is playing at the same pace as the "doubled" bpm parts (228 and 172) so 228 makes more sense, and 172 at the beginning of the bpm ramp etc...
Topic Starter
-rage
this is getting confusing lol, I'll try my best to do the changes
Ascendance
t t t double u e r k
Sorceress
owo

I've been reassured timing should be good so it's bubbling time
Hareimu
00:45:580 - aren't you missing a note here?
01:36:948 (2) - you're missing a whistle at the head of this slider
01:37:297 (3) - same as above but a whistle and a clap instead
01:56:134 (1) - as above, but a finish
02:34:158 (3,4) - move to x:144? too much distance between 4 and 5
02:37:820 (4) - x:288, as above
02:46:366 (1) - missing whistle on the tail of the slider
02:49:157 (1) - remove whistle on the tail of the slider, add it to 02:51:947 (1) - instead (or not, but remove the whistle from the tail of the slider either way since it's emphasizing nothing)
02:57:529 (1) - add whistle at the tail
03:03:110 (1) - ^
03:08:691 (1) - ^
03:19:854 (1) - missing whistles on both head and tail of the slider.
03:22:645 (2) - as above but only on the head.
04:42:560 (4) - x:328?

solve these so we can move forward
Topic Starter
-rage

Hareimu wrote:

00:45:580 - aren't you missing a note here? the spinner start used to be at this point but then sorcerer pointed out that it should be placed 00:46:295 - here instead. And i feel like there shouldn't be a note here since there isn't really any sound there
Everything else was fixed. Updated
Hareimu
let's see how this goes then
Mismagius
Erik
Ascendance

Mismagius wrote:

Erik
Topic Starter
-rage

Mismagius wrote:

Erik
i have no idea why it does that, it's the second time
Aurele
the "/" killed the thread's title lmao
ksajek
Erik
Weber
tfw this is still the only homosuck song that gets mapped
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