:thinking:DTM9 Nowa wrote:
You've ranked at least 10 mapsets:joy: :gun: gotta rank some dope R3 music box sets then
:thinking:DTM9 Nowa wrote:
You've ranked at least 10 mapsets:joy: :gun: gotta rank some dope R3 music box sets then
You've ranked at least 10 mapsetsGuess I'll join in 10 years
Mapping with rewards could give a idea why it wasnt public tho, also, since future of this highly depends on community, which doesnt showed big iterest about featured artists yet sadly. Not to mention that smaller group is easier to organize, what helps when things are in development.Weber wrote:
Edit: Doesn't this seem a little too restrictive for the end goal you want though? Wouldn't this points/reward system be better implemented as a community-wide thing, giving mappers of any skill level a goal to strive for, with a proper incentive that would probably give life to tons of featured artist sets? Why keep it as an invite-only thing for only the best of the best?
It honestly feels like a wasted opportunity as there is still NO incentive for anyone outside the guild to be involved with featured artists in any way whatsoever.
Also, what incentive is there to get people from other game-modes involved if there's no guarantee they'll ever be rewarded in a similar way by staff, especially since getting those started on their own would be way more difficult due to the lack of numbers overall compared to standard?
Mapping With Rewards seemed like more of a contest than anything like this, as well as only having 3 out of the many Featured Artist songs chosen, and as a result most people ended up not being interested.Jounzan wrote:
Mapping with rewards could give a idea why it wasnt public tho, also, since future of this highly depends on community, which doesnt showed big iterest about featured artists yet sadly. Not to mention that smaller group is easier to organize, what helps when things are in development.
on paper it sounds easy, but total mapsets are pretty much restricted to one per person so you can’t spam sets. and realistically speaking, E/N sets are also a pretty clear abuse of the system and with the guild being a closed system such behaviour can be moderated pretty easily.Monstrata wrote:
Also, a criticism about the points system. This is just speaking from experience with mapping commissions, but the point value for lower difficulties is far too high in comparison to higher diffs for the amount of effort needed. Most mappers should be able to make a tv-size Easy difficulty in like what, 15 minutes? But it takes considerably longer to create a tv-size difficulty that's Extra or Insane. Mappers who are mapping Featured-Artist mapsets with the objective of getting badges will find that it would be in their best interest to only map E/N spreads.
Tell that to Joe Castle or anyone who strictly makes E/N sets because they genuinely enjoy it xdhandsome wrote:
on paper it sounds easy, but total mapsets are pretty much restricted to one per person so you can’t spam sets. and realistically speaking, E/N sets are also a pretty clear abuse of the system and with the guild being a closed system such behaviour can be moderated pretty easily.Monstrata wrote:
Also, a criticism about the points system. This is just speaking from experience with mapping commissions, but the point value for lower difficulties is far too high in comparison to higher diffs for the amount of effort needed. Most mappers should be able to make a tv-size Easy difficulty in like what, 15 minutes? But it takes considerably longer to create a tv-size difficulty that's Extra or Insane. Mappers who are mapping Featured-Artist mapsets with the objective of getting badges will find that it would be in their best interest to only map E/N spreads.
yet to become a part-time memberPishifat wrote:
Part-time members will be unable to host mapsets, however they can mod and provide guest difficulties.
So you're looking for extremely elite mappers (sidebar: I know plenty of good mappers with less than 10 ranked sets. If you're telling me somehow lit120 as a mapper with 13 ranked sets compares to someone who ranks massively higher quality sets like Kaifin who only has 3 I don't know what to tell you) because it is not easy to rank 10 sets, but these elite mappers are still not really allowed to do anything?Pishifat wrote:
You've ranked at least 10 mapsets
even ignoring the possible 'abuse', E/N sets don't appeal to a wide playerbase which is the goal in mind here when trying to promote FA.Kroytz wrote:
Tell that to Joe Castle or anyone who strictly makes E/N sets because they genuinely enjoy it xd
not everything is black and white, nowhere does it state that having more ranked maps would mean one is more capable of producing higher quality sets. the amount of ranked sets is an indicator of how much one has contributed to the ranked section and how familiar they are with the ranking maps in itself, not one's capability as a mapper. as skillful as someone might be, a lack of ranked maps would mean a lack of familiarity with the ranking and modding process, which is a pretty significant part of the guild's responsibilities.My Angel Digi wrote:
Hang on, let me get this straight.yet to become a part-time memberPishifat wrote:
Part-time members will be unable to host mapsets, however they can mod and provide guest difficulties.So you're looking for extremely elite mappers (sidebar: I know plenty of good mappers with less than 10 ranked sets. If you're telling me somehow lit120 as a mapper with 13 ranked sets compares to someone who ranks massively higher quality sets like Kaifin who only has 3 I don't know what to tell you) because it is not easy to rank 10 sets, but these elite mappers are still not really allowed to do anything?Pishifat wrote:
You've ranked at least 10 mapsets
I'd love to join and mod (because I'm a shit mapper) and as I progress as a mapper create GDs and eventually sets. I think this has a lot of potential but would be much better if you could earn points without being an elite mapper if you decided to spend time trying to help out as best you can. Weber is totally right. Just my two cents
Despite it appealing to lesser players, it’s moreso the fact that some mappers who have a genuine liking towards making lower diff sets will have a clear advantage in points over those who make full spreads or any spread involving Extras (which as we all know take a longer time and marginally more effort) e.ehandsome wrote:
even ignoring the possible 'abuse', E/N sets don't appeal to a wide playerbase which is the goal in mind here when trying to promote FAKroytz wrote:
Tell that to Joe Castle or anyone who strictly makes E/N sets because they genuinely enjoy it xd
pishifat wrote:
For the most part, it will continue to function privately until plans are further fleshed out...
Weber wrote:
Edit: Doesn't this seem a little too restrictive for the end goal you want though? Wouldn't this points/reward system be better implemented as a community-wide thing, giving mappers of any skill level a goal to strive for, with a proper incentive that would probably give life to tons of featured artist sets? Why keep it as an invite-only thing for only the best of the best?
Noffy wrote:
The point system sounds like such a good incentive to get the general public to map FA songs, but it's being restricted to a really small selective group of people?
Weber wrote:
It honestly feels like a wasted opportunity as there is still NO incentive for anyone outside the guild to be involved with featured artists in any way whatsoever.
Monstrata wrote:
I agree with Sieg too. There are quite a few mappers who have made Featured Artist maps of their own volition even before the start of Mappers' Guild. They didn't do it for rewards of course, but now it seems like they've been excluded from this inner circle.
Weber wrote:
Also, what incentive is there to get people from other game-modes involved if there's no guarantee they'll ever be rewarded in a similar way by staff, especially since getting those started on their own would be way more difficult due to the lack of numbers overall compared to standard?
Monstrata wrote:
This is just speaking from experience with mapping commissions, but the point value for lower difficulties is far too high in comparison to higher diffs for the amount of effort needed.
Kroytz/Hobbes2 wrote:
same
Monstrata wrote:
I realize that one of the original objectives was to have people be able to "claim" or "bid" on certain songs and have exclusive access to mapping that particular song (with no one else in the guild being able to make another set for it). I don't know if that's still on the table though.
Logic Agent wrote:
yeah the bar is way too high. i don't think it takes 10 ranked sets to understand how the ranking criteria works.
Hobbes2 wrote:
Btw why is the requirement 10?
My Angel Digi wrote:
So you're looking for extremely elite mappers, but these elite mappers are still only part-time?
Noffy wrote:
And out of this selective group of people, you don't even have permission to map your own set for it unless you're really active in the group?
StarrStyx wrote:
I don't really understand the KD requirement :thinking:
Pachiru wrote:
I have a question regarding this project.
Let's consider that I'm making a set on a FA song, and I wanna push this forward to rank it. If I'm not from the mapper's guild, will I still be able to have help to push this or not?
If the question wasn't clear enough, do people from the mapper's guild will be encouraged to help mappers that don't belong to this guild, or the mapper's guild members will only help each other inside the guild?
This subject is quite blurry to me, so that's why I'm asking.
handsome wrote:
Kroytz wrote:
Tell that to Joe Castle or anyone who strictly makes E/N sets because they genuinely enjoy it xd
even ignoring the possible 'abuse', E/N sets don't appeal to a wide playerbase which is the goal in mind here when trying to promote FA.
My Angel Digi wrote:
Hang on, let me get this straight.Pishifat wrote:
Part-time members will be unable to host mapsets, however they can mod and provide guest difficulties.
yet to become a part-time memberPishifat wrote:
You've ranked at least 10 mapsets
So you're looking for extremely elite mappers (sidebar: I know plenty of good mappers with less than 10 ranked sets. If you're telling me somehow lit120 as a mapper with 13 ranked sets compares to someone who ranks massively higher quality sets like Kaifin who only has 3 I don't know what to tell you) because it is not easy to rank 10 sets, but these elite mappers are still not really allowed to do anything?
I'd love to join and mod (because I'm a shit mapper) and as I progress as a mapper create GDs and eventually sets. I think this has a lot of potential but would be much better if you could earn points without being an elite mapper if you decided to spend time trying to help out as best you can. Weber is totally right. Just my two cents
not everything is black and white, nowhere does it state that having more ranked maps would mean one is more capable of producing higher quality sets. the amount of ranked sets is an indicator of how much one has contributed to the ranked section and how familiar they are with the ranking maps in itself, not one's capability as a mapper. as skillful as someone might be, a lack of ranked maps would mean a lack of familiarity with the ranking and modding process, which is a pretty significant part of the guild's responsibilities.
lol this isn't the place for learning to map, as CLEARLY indicated with the 10 rank 200 kds requirementMy Angel Digi wrote:
What if I'm here as modslave and to learn about mapping? I clearly couldn't rank a map, but I still feel like I could contribute.