okay so is this going to happen or
We are an all-ages community. This means that 18+/NSFW (not safe for work) content such as drug use or topics of a sexual nature are not welcome here. Exceptions are made where appropriate for this, but generally speaking, keep it clean.
There must not be any obscene imagery in the background/storyboard/video content. This includes nudity, near-nudity, sexual references, violence, drug abuse, etc. Keep things PG, suitable for ages 12+. Images should be on a level that can be displayed on all-audience TV, on public signage, and of nature that does not require censoring in any country.Just noticed this. 12+ implies 12 or older. Should be "suitable for ages 12 and younger" for it to be PG.
I hope this is bg-wise and not lyrics-wise. Because I know you said already there are maps with these kinds of lyrics (would Cocaine pass? This map has a syringe, is that drug paraphanillia?) but the rules you stated are vague too. I wonder if Go to Church would be allowed under your rules. Or perhaps Biggie's famous Notorious Thugs. The Go to Church map definitely has drug use and intent to harm oneself or others.CDFA wrote:
PROPOSED RULE:Maps cannot contain lyrics or imagery containing obscene content. This includes, but is not limited to:I'd be really interested to having a discussion about this, because it IS very ambigious at the moment, and I really don't want anyone to get stuck in my situation because there's not something out there defining what is explicit, ESPECIALLY when there are a fair number of maps already ranked that have these sorts of subjects.
[*]Sexual Content
[*]Drug Usage / Paraphanilia
[*]Intent to Harm Oneself or Others
[*]Excessive Explicit Language
CDFA wrote:
For instance, would THIS be considered innapropriate?: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/150639 . From what I've asked some other BNs, they've said it's fine, even though it has a few curses and implications of sexual activity.
There are concerned people, specially those that are of parental age (and believe me there are those who still play this game). Its unethical to let an adolescent listen to obscene language, they might blame this game because of such things. My suggestion would be to add by just further emphasizing warnings (map descriptions are often ignored) such as adding +18 or nsfw tags and filter them out in beatmap searching would be better.Myxomatosis wrote:
CDFA wrote:
For instance, would THIS be considered innapropriate?: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/150639 . From what I've asked some other BNs, they've said it's fine, even though it has a few curses and implications of sexual activity.did you really misspell "Kanye West"i think songs like these should be fine. it's what i mentioned before, the curses are just a stylistic tool and nobody really takes this seriously. also shit like this is on the radio and on tv anyway so what do we expect
well if you want to get super technical, American radio edits will blur out any curse words or slurs that are used. So it's important to also make that distinction, are we allowing SOME curse words, or are we just censoring EVERYTHING (which, seeing as we can still curse on the forum and in-game, I think we're more inclined to go with the first)Myxomatosis wrote:
CDFA wrote:
For instance, would THIS be considered innapropriate?: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/150639 . From what I've asked some other BNs, they've said it's fine, even though it has a few curses and implications of sexual activity.did you really misspell "Kanye West"i think songs like these should be fine. it's what i mentioned before, the curses are just a stylistic tool and nobody really takes this seriously. also shit like this is on the radio and on tv anyway so what do we expect
I actually made a suggestion to have an in-game notation of NSFW stuff put in place before, or having the ability to filter maps that are marked as NSFW. peppy, in the way that he sometimes does when he doesn't wanna do stuff, was like "okay get me a list and I'll do it." So me and some other guys provided a list to him. And he's like "a"Nitrous wrote:
There are concerned people, specially those that are of parental age (and believe me there are those who still play this game). Its unethical to let an adolescent listen to obscene language, they might blame this game because of such things. My suggestion would be to add by just further emphasizing warnings (map descriptions are often ignored) such as adding +18 or nsfw tags and filter them out in beatmap searching would be better.
Tired of feelin' like I'm trapped in my damn mindhttps://genius.com/Xxxtentacion-everybo ... res-lyrics
Tired of feelin' like I'm wrapped in a damn lie
Tired of feelin' like my life is a damn game
Nigga really wanna die in the nighttime
ThisMaster_chan wrote:
Why don't you just implement big-red-button that warn people about song containing some 18+ content?
CDFA wrote:
So we need to fucking talk about this.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/716630
Apparently this shit is a fine pass even though we just spend all of this fucking time talking about "oh yeah content rules oh yeah we gotta be safe for the kids" like are you fucking serious.
This is a huge fuck you to me as well as others in the community who have been screwed over by these sorts of rules as well as these vague guidelines as to what is appropriate and inappropriate.
I'd very much like to see the QAT justify this being allowed to get a fair pass while maps that I've submitted put me on the verge of getting banned from the game.
THIS is why I decide to put so much god damned effort into this kind of shit. THIS kind of shit, so that I don't have to constantly hope "oh god is this QAT going to hate my map or will they love it", it'll be a simple "this is what makes your map unrankable." This subjective "oh we'll decide on it" shit didn't work when Loctav was around, and it's obvious that it's not working now.
So let's see this get justified.
Its all about gray zones in the rules and double-standards regarding featured artists, than your map specifically.Okoratu wrote:
I went to the featured artist listing and took a song off of it and mapped it.
Can you not act like a victim for 20 fucking seconds lmfao.Okoratu wrote:
Ok so for once I'm not gonna be dropping one liners about all of this because I seem to be in the center of some witchhunting project someone somehow initiated or something surrounding me mapping MTC - Yes, the song is about masturbating to cartoons, that's literally what the title reads and the song is about (which, for some bizarre reason isn't allowed to be tagged but that's a different cup of tea).
As long as music remains at the point where it's a song with some topic which isn't just made to be inappropriate entirely (sth sth Infant Annihalator song about violating stillborns) at the very least I can live with it - if others can is up to them, they play that sort of stuff on the radio here without age restrictions as well (at least i don't know of any such restrictions when turning on my radio)
I find all this leeway stuff to be confusing - if you do it once and your map is removed, then due to the nature of this rule you shouldnt be punished, if you do it again without asking any GMT then you for sure should be hit with a stick, ranking a map inbetween shouldn't restore anything whatsoever since the user should be assumed to know that they should ask if their uploads are ok if they have the slightest ways of doubts.
At least there should be something about asking GMT or QAT before uploading if your upload would violate the rule if you aren't sure (i have no idea why people wouldnt do that). I think this should be mentioned
The 20% rule of thumb stuff is ok, just not my cup of tea because clarifying what is and isnt alluding to sexual references how much isn't a black and white matter so it just generates a lot of cases where people will stick to this and be like ITS NOT 20% .... i think