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BLACKPINK - BOOMBAYAH

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Natsu
8,076 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu

Varqaaa wrote:

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I think you don't understand what we was discussing,with all the respect, well i'll explain you because seems you don't have much experience in mapping /modding.

The map got DQ, because some wrong snapped objects, which I'm waiting for some mp3 modification, the map is a really simple map, you can paste it at any other bpm and there are not gimmicks without the ¨go¨ sliders, the point about the spacing from nozhomi was about making some jumps have the same spacing, which I don't agree, since no map do that.

So please don't confuse about the reasons about the DQ and others, specially if you have no experience with modding, mapping or playing. The playability of the map has already been prove, anyways this is the post you should put your attention in: p/5597351 .
Natsu
8,076 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu
Okay so:

Fixed stuff:

  1. Mp3 is fixed so there shouldn't be more snap issues. (Thanks pishi)
  2. 00:29:933 (1,2,3) - the spacing here got reduced (oppa)
  3. 01:15:773 (1,2,3,4,1) - stacked this so it actually looks like a star pattern (oppa)
  4. 01:50:093 (1,2,3) - I reworked this pattern so it doesn't looks like the previous one (oppa)
  5. 03:33:293 (4) - I changed the slider shape, I don't think it matters, but I changed it anyways (oppa)
  6. 00:52:133 (2) - I changed the previous triplet to a 1/4 slider from an Irre suggestion (collab)
  7. 00:20:093 (5) I change the stack to 2, from irre too (collab)
  8. 01:21:053 (1,1) - silenced slider tails (collab)
  9. 01:25:853 (1) - same
  10. 03:31:253 (2,3,4) - fixed hitsounds
  11. 03:15:773 (1,2,3,4) - 03:46:493 (1,2,3,4) - rearranged pattern with the help of some players, so it plays more naturally now
  12. Fixed alot of minor blankets and stacks around both hardest diffs
No fixed stuff:

  1. 01:17:213 (1,2,3,4) about the rhythm as I explain before, I had a full stream, but I asked to many top players and most of them told me to introduce the stream with sliders, I tryed okorin's suggestion, but that make me lose the emphasis of the circle streams, so I really want too keep this, since I already made a compromise with reworking the stream before. (oppa)
  2. The stream shapes, irre suggested me to try a different shape, but this more actual a personal preference and I love the current ones. (oppa)
  3. 00:16:013 (3) - the vocal is extended in my point of view that's why I'm using a slider, since the full sentence is continue a pause don't represent the music in my point of view, ofc this is a personal thing which differ from person to person so there is not a correct way to represent it, but multiple ones. (oppa)
  4. 01:19:234 - irre suggested me to end this at the previous blue tick, but I think is weird and my way is better, since there is a hold sound in the song and there are multiple places to end the sliders, but then again my preference is the white tick, since is more intuitive.


I need a second opinion for this:

  1. 00:20:573 (2) - Irre said I need to extend this to the red tick, but I think the vocal actually lands in 1/8 (Oppa and collab diffs)
  2. 02:10:973 I agree with okorin, I don't think this part is snapped to 1/3, is a mix of 1/4s and 1/8 (Collab diff)
Doyak
osu! Alumni
2,621 posts
Joined November 2012
Doyak
Uhh Natsu asked me to post my opinion here about Extra diff

02:09:053 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 02:10:973 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I am pretty sure both sections are supposed to have the same rhythm. And I think, the instruments are in the former rhythm, and the vocals are in the latter rhythm.

So I have no idea why they're used differently. If you want to stick to the vocal, you should map the whole part as 1/3; if you want to follow the instruments, then you should stick to 1/8-1/4s. Such transition from 1/4s to 1/3s is not expected and doesn't really make sense imo, when the song is really consistent.
emilia
893 posts
Joined October 2012
emilia
02:10:973 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this is undoubtedly still 3/4 if you want to follow vocal, and its obvious on 100% and even more obvious on 25%
Sonnyc
7,761 posts
Joined June 2008
Sonnyc
SPOILER
Posted my opinion and I dislike snaps. I like slaps.
Natsu
8,076 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu
thanks guys, I'll call Irre when he get online to recheck that part :)
Doyak
osu! Alumni
2,621 posts
Joined November 2012
Doyak

[ Emillia ] wrote:

02:10:973 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - this is undoubtedly still 3/4 if you want to follow vocal, and its obvious on 100% and even more obvious on 25%
Well if you focus on certain ticks then some of them fit better on 3/4 ticks. But did you realize that there's no sound on the exact-white-ticks too? They don't sing it 100% accurate. Just focus on the speed of each vocal and they mostly sound equal to each other, which can only be 1/3s.
Frim4503
2,067 posts
Joined July 2013
Frim4503
is the mp3 change ?
Natsu
8,076 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Natsu

Frim4503 wrote:

is the mp3 change ?
yes, delete and redownload
Mazziv
998 posts
Joined July 2013
Mazziv
just a few things that i dont like bout the irre&euny collab

03:11:933 (1) - i played this diff already a few times but this slider always gets me to sliderbreak,idk its just maybe a bit to unexpected?
03:15:773 (1,2,3,4) - and 03:23:453 (1,2,3,4) - play waaaay better than those 10x used back and forth pattern afterwards,which feels IMHO super awkward to play at high bpm IMO

rest looks cool
Euny
2,274 posts
Joined January 2014
Euny

Mazziv wrote:

just a few things that i dont like bout the irre&euny collab
03:15:773 (1,2,3,4) - and 03:23:453 (1,2,3,4) - play waaaay better than those 10x used back and forth pattern afterwards,which feels IMHO super awkward to play at high bpm IMO

rest looks cool

why not

fixed
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Varqaaa
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Varqaaa
SPOILER

Natsu wrote:

Varqaaa wrote:

text.
I think you don't understand what we was discussing,with all the respect, well i'll explain you because seems you don't have much experience in mapping /modding.

The map got DQ, because some wrong snapped objects, which I'm waiting for some mp3 modification, the map is a really simple map, you can paste it at any other bpm and there are not gimmicks without the ¨go¨ sliders, the point about the spacing from nozhomi was about making some jumps have the same spacing, which I don't agree, since no map do that.

So please don't confuse about the reasons about the DQ and others, specially if you have no experience with modding, mapping or playing. The playability of the map has already been prove, anyways this is the post you should put your attention in: p/5597351 .
Sorry if I was unclear, half of what I was saying in first post wasn't reason for DQ (just why I dislike map // you obviously have your own mapping philosophy though and see things differently) I was grumpy and shouldn't have probably said :)

Nozohmi's point's concerning snapping/spacing at 00:29:933 (1,2,3) or 01:39:773 (1,2,3,4) or 02:51:293 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) (this one maybe not as bad) or 03:42:653 (1,2,3,4) and 03:57:893 (4,1,2,3) are mostly what I was talking about, I was just being more general. Just because it is a simple map (or maybe because it is a simple map doesn't mean it can't have snapping/overspacing/overmapping issues. I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to keep the map interesting to play and adding variation, but you can't make things arbitrarily more difficult to keep the audience playing. I thought the slider shapes were a fine way of keeping it interesting because changing those doesn't actually make a pattern noticeably harder, just different.

While the 1/8 stream in chorus is qualifiable doesn't it feel out of place to you? I think Monstrata's idea of mixing 1/8 sliders and streams would be a lot more fitting with song intensity. If you're going to be anal about the music here and map the 1/8s as notes to a stream wouldn't it make sense to be consistently pedantic and take Emilia's suggestion about using 1/3 around 00:37:533 - 00:37:773 for precision?

You can't ignore someone's points because of rank/post. Sure, I can't FC this but it doesn't take a master filmmaker to see flaws in a movie. Inconsistent snapping/spacing/dubious handling of the 1/3 or 1/4 are obvious places for improvement but you won't take criticism and just say "but then it's boring and not my map lol you're bad"

edit: oops you actually did fix, I made post without refresh :)

lol @ implementing all the changes I suggested after saying I didn't know what I was talking about though
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Natsu
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the problem man is you don't read the thread:

1. I already changed the spacing at the Jumps
2.after several testplays from top players i give up my full stream and I mixed it with sliders
3. the mp3 got edited and the 1/6 parts are snapped to 1/4

you don't read the thread, I already fixed almost all what people pointed
Ashton
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shouldn't there be a diff between the two hardest diffs? Yes, onyly a 1.4* gap but the fact you drop form a diff that the average 60k can passm to a diff that can barely be passed by top rank players is a good idea?
Ashton
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one day I wanna take an ordinary song, like maybe k-pop


and space all the 1/4 to make 7*!


no seriously, I can take any map, and space all the 1/4 just to make a high level difficulty, now cant I?
Natsu
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CanadianBaka wrote:

shouldn't there be a diff between the two hardest diffs? Yes, onyly a 1.4* gap but the fact you drop form a diff that the average 60k can passm to a diff that can barely be passed by top rank players is a good idea?
they have the same rhythm is just the spacing that make it look huge, check it careful, tbh even the insane have similar lol. Even both diff spikes are basically similar, you can't add other diff without making it the same as those 3.

If that make sense and u have the mapping skills sure u can :o! do it, oh btw this being an ordinary song is your opinion, I think is a really unique song lol :lol:
Ashton
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seeing your BN


might as well not continue this argument, as it will end up in silences.


El burro sabe mas que tu!
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Ohrami
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of course he will space the 1/4 like that because it's only 125 bpm
Irreversible
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I don't get what's the fuzz about.

I do agree that the first two patterns are 3/8, hence why I mapped them like this. The third one is completely different from my point of view. It plays best like this, it follows the song and no one would have even figured it if you play it - because he was able to get through this part without any complication.

Natsu, since you didn't update my parts, can you please put 5% on 02:07:313 - the green lines in this part. 02:09:053 (1) - Here too.
Natsu
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done
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Irreversible
fixed the 1/3 nevertheless
Monstrata
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Since the issues brought forth by the dq have been addressed and fixed, here's your rebubble!
Enon
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I don't know if it's matter or not. but, doesn't it matter bubbling even if its still in WIP section? because WIP mean its not ready to go.
Natsu
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Enon wrote:

I don't know if it's matter or not. but, doesn't it matter bubbling even if its still in WIP section? because WIP mean its not ready to go.
it really doesn't matter that much, since usually marathon maps are also bubbled in wip, anyways isn't a big problem.
Ashton
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@irre ok
Enon
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thank you for noticing me that :)
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[ Emillia ] wrote:

im sry for your loss

hearing loss, that is

00:37:533 - 00:37:773 - hearing on 100% is obvious, hearing on 25% is even more obvious

dont find some stupid reason to hide your overmapping just because its quali'd
wows
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02:53:093 (6) - wrong clap in our collab fix it pls before it gets ranked
03:22:013 (1) - should get silenced (is it really so difficult to go over the whole map and silence stuff properly XD, maybe there is more pls recheck)
Natsu
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Is not difficulty, the problem is that I'm not silencing tails at chorus , but as your request and you request one by one on different days, anyways gonna add it after sleep a bit.
erlinadewi-
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where's my oppa? :(
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~ Qualified ~
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re-gratz
buny
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Natsu wrote:

I was watching your replay and I notice some, do you mind linking them?
sry for late reply, afterwards i assume it's not a problem with map and just my reading skill since you had heaps of test plays already.
Natsu
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buny wrote:

Natsu wrote:

I was watching your replay and I notice some, do you mind linking them?
sry for late reply, afterwards i assume it's not a problem with map and just my reading skill since you had heaps of test plays already.
Yeah, I also reworked them a bit and seems you played the new ones better~ 8-)
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ya, ya-ya, ya-ya-ya OPPAH
Mazziv
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idk why but even doe euny ''agreed'' with me on my suggestion with the back forth jumps,i dont see a change at all,either im dumb or she didnt save idk
and also no response to my slider thingy :(
blooming tea
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Hype!
Natsu
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Mazziv wrote:

idk why but even doe euny ''agreed'' with me on my suggestion with the back forth jumps,i dont see a change at all,either im dumb or she didnt save idk
and also no response to my slider thingy :(
oh she changed one, but wanted to keep the second one, btw the slider is just a design thing it already have two warnings the red combo color and the NC

dentek wrote:

Hype!
!!
emilia
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can i ask what of the mp3 did you change

i hear no difference and i spot the exact same errors at where you completely disregarded 1/3 rhythms for "momentum/flow/easier reading"

its still a rhythm game, no matter how "fun" players think it is the notes are still inaccurately mapped, there is literally nothing on the hitcircles
Natsu
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[ Emillia ] wrote:

can i ask what of the mp3 did you change

i hear no difference and i spot the exact same errors at where you completely disregarded 1/3 rhythms for "momentum/flow/easier reading"

its still a rhythm game, no matter how "fun" players think it is the notes are still inaccurately mapped, there is literally nothing on the hitcircles
Pishifat edited the 1/6 parts so they are snapped to 1/4 now
Enon
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it's not good acting to obstruct being ranked of the map you hate.

anyway good luck bro
emilia
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Enon wrote:

it's not good acting to obstruct being ranked of the map you hate.

anyway good luck bro
so theres something wrong with community input now haha ok

@Natsu: what about here: 01:39:773 (1,2,3,4) - i still dont think this should be allowed
Natsu
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[ Emillia ] wrote:

Enon wrote:

it's not good acting to obstruct being ranked of the map you hate.

anyway good luck bro
so theres something wrong with community input now haha ok

@Natsu: what about here: 01:39:773 (1,2,3,4) - i still dont think this should be allowed
Instruments are going in 1/4, yes the vocal is off and you can argue is 1/6, but there is a sound lading at 1/4 01:39:893 (2) - 01:39:773 (1,3) - are clearly 1/2 and 01:40:133 (4) - isn't a clear beat, but being the other 3 beats snapped at 1/4 then we should suppose the 4 one is also 1/4, since the music regulary do a 5 note streams. Even tho if you ask most of people they will tell you the music is 1/4 and the vocals are a bit off.
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Oppa <3
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gratz 오빠 o_<!
Natsu
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finally, thanks everyone~
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GREATZ!
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사랑해요 김치
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gratz Natsu!
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Im addicted to this beatmap
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