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Electoz
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Electoz
Did an irc mod with the mapper, top diff
chatlog
22:47 zhu: allo
00:44 Electoz: hi
00:44 Electoz: sorry didn't see the chat lol
00:45 zhu: umm
00:45 zhu: do you have any free time
00:45 Electoz: ?
00:46 zhu: if you have can you brief mod 1 dif of my map
00:46 Electoz: oh
00:47 Electoz: now I remembered you
00:47 Electoz: sure I think
00:47 Electoz: though I don't find things much from a quick look
00:47 zhu: give me a min
00:47 zhu: yo upload
00:47 zhu: my changes
00:52 zhu: aighy
00:52 zhu: done
00:52 *zhu is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1394515 Nano - Nevereverland]
00:54 Electoz: what diff
00:54 Electoz: the highest?
00:55 zhu: yeaj
00:55 zhu: yeah*
00:56 Electoz: gimme
00:56 Electoz: a few mins
00:56 zhu: okay
01:09 Electoz: mm
01:09 Electoz: 02:23:960 (1,2,3) - could use a lower volume or something
01:09 Electoz: since the intensity changes already
01:10 Electoz: 02:05:319 (1,2,3) - 02:06:193 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't see any reason to make these differently
01:10 Electoz: considering you did 03:20:755 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - this kind of thing in the same way, in other placeas
01:10 Electoz: *places
01:11 Electoz: sometimes you didn't seem to care random overlaps much
01:11 Electoz: but at some point they made the map looks unpolished/untidy
01:11 Electoz: or whatever
01:11 Electoz: like
01:11 Electoz: 00:13:334 (6,1) - 
01:11 Electoz: 01:56:581 (5,5) - 
01:11 Electoz: etc
01:12 Electoz: like, when doing overlaps
01:12 Electoz: you should have a reason or logic for doing so
01:12 Electoz: could be aesthetics, patterning, etc
01:12 Electoz: e.g. 03:10:561 (3,5) - this kind of thing is fine
01:13 Electoz: 03:30:221 (1,2,3) - this is also okayish since the overlap is for patterning purpose
01:13 Electoz: oh wait are you afk
01:13 zhu: im here
01:13 Electoz: ok
01:14 Electoz: also one of the important things here is that
01:14 Electoz: your repeat slider usage
01:14 Electoz: generally we don't use 1/2 repeat sliders in intense sections
01:14 Electoz: aka when the song is not calm
01:14 Electoz: cuz intense sections tend to have a higher SV
01:15 Electoz: and repeat sliders generally force you to go back and forth
01:15 Electoz: which most people found them uncomfortable
01:15 zhu: oh
01:15 zhu: any examples
01:15 Electoz: stuff like
01:15 Electoz: 01:11:600 (2) - 
01:15 Electoz: for example
01:15 Electoz: other reason is that
01:16 Electoz: repeat sliders at least involve 2 passive beats
01:16 Electoz: which ruins the intensity
01:16 Electoz: passive beats = anything that's not clickable, repeat, slidertails, or whatever
01:16 Electoz: like for example
01:16 Electoz: 01:57:746 (6) - 
01:16 Electoz: for intense sections, like kiai for example
01:17 Electoz: you want objects to be clickable more than any other section
01:17 zhu: so
01:17 Electoz: beause that way represent the gameplay that hey the things are harder to play when the intensity of the song increases
01:17 zhu: i reokace them with
01:17 zhu: replace
01:18 zhu: i see
01:18 Electoz: so
01:18 Electoz: for
01:18 Electoz: 01:57:746 (6) - 
01:18 Electoz: you could use slider + circle, cicle + slider, or 3 circles
01:18 Electoz: according to
01:18 Electoz: the rhythm you're following
01:18 Electoz: use as you see fit
01:18 zhu: okay
01:18 Electoz: because repeat sliders don't really force you to jump right
01:19 zhu: yes
01:19 Electoz: if it were 2 separated objects
01:19 Electoz: at least the intensity can be somewhat reflected by the jump
01:20 Electoz: 02:00:368 (5,6,1) - hmm I wish you could do this kind of stuff more
01:20 Electoz: instead of
01:20 Electoz: long ass streams like
01:20 Electoz: 03:15:513 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - 03:28:327 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - 
01:20 Electoz: just my
01:20 Electoz: presonal preference
01:20 Electoz: but
01:21 Electoz: generally 1/4 sliders involve more speed in gameplay
01:21 Electoz: compared to stream
01:21 Electoz: while stream needs more tapping than 1/4 sliders
01:21 Electoz: these are gameplay differences between them
01:22 zhu: kick sliders?
01:22 Electoz: 02:13:183 (7) - 03:28:619 (7,8,9,10) - should use the same rhythm between these btw
01:22 Electoz: I think?
01:22 Electoz: I'm trying not to call that
01:22 Electoz: beacuse there are 2 definitions
01:22 Electoz: for the term "kickslider"
01:22 Electoz: and it's confusing
01:23 zhu: can you explain it
01:24 Electoz: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/470582/start=0&view=viewpoll
01:24 Electoz: should be easier with that link
01:25 zhu: hold down slider?
01:26 Electoz: I
01:26 Electoz: honestly don't know how to explain that
01:26 Electoz: the link I gave you
01:26 Electoz: is the most straightforward way to explain it
01:26 Electoz: there are two definitions of it, left and right
01:26 Electoz: for each definition
01:27 Electoz: "single 1/4 slider jumps without repeats." vs "1/4 sliders with repeats."
01:27 zhu: first one is kick slider and second one is hold down slider right?
01:29 Electoz: depends on what you want to call it
01:29 Electoz: if you're calling the thing on the left as "kick slider"
01:29 Electoz: then fine I'll use that term today
01:29 Electoz: so it's easier to understand
01:29 zhu: okay
01:29 Electoz: to answer your previous question
01:30 Electoz: 02:00:368 (5,6) - yes these are what you're referring as "kick sliders"
01:30 Electoz: because they involve jumps as well as 1/4 rhythms
01:30 Electoz: so you will need to move your cursor faster than a stream in gameplay
01:31 Electoz: your rhythms are sometimes questionable though
01:31 Electoz: like
01:31 Electoz: 01:52:940 - is not clickable
01:32 Electoz: yet 03:08:376 - is
01:32 Electoz: aka you should be more consistent on what rhythm you're prioritizing
01:32 Electoz: be it vocals, drums, or whatever
01:33 zhu: cant i prioritize other things in other parts
01:33 Electoz: let's see
01:33 Electoz: depends
01:33 Electoz: for example
01:33 Electoz: if
01:33 Electoz: those parts
01:33 Electoz: are musically the same
01:33 Electoz: then you shouldn't
01:34 Electoz: because the rhythms should be consistent, in order to consistently reflect the song throughout the map
01:34 Electoz: also players can't play intuitively if you focused rhythms differently when the parts are the same
01:34 zhu: oh
01:35 Electoz: most of your placements
01:35 Electoz: can be a lot more polished
01:35 Electoz: by making visual spacings consistent
01:35 Electoz: for example 02:18:135 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - these are nice
01:36 Electoz: like you can see the visual spacing between each circle are consistently spaced
01:36 Electoz: even though they're jumps on almost every one of them
01:36 Electoz: I'm not saying that
01:36 Electoz: you must space things visually consistent all the time
01:37 zhu: its like monstrata hexagon
01:37 Electoz: but it's more like a thing to make your map cleaner in some if not most occasions
01:37 Electoz: uh
01:37 Electoz: yeah
01:37 Electoz: kinda
01:37 Electoz: monstrata can be an example of this
01:37 zhu: i felt like using it
01:37 zhu: his maps are so clean
01:37 zhu: i like his style
01:37 Electoz: it's depends on mappers' style also
01:38 Electoz: honestly about aesthetics though
01:38 Electoz: there's no way of it being completely right or wrong
01:38 Electoz: (unless it really sucks)
01:38 Electoz: but it's more like
01:38 Electoz: something you'll figure out by yourself sooner or later
01:38 Electoz: as long as you map more
01:38 Electoz: sometimes getting mods can help
01:38 zhu: imma make this map more clean
01:39 Electoz: because there will be some modders who give comments/feedbacks on aesthetics
01:39 Electoz: in their opinion
01:39 Electoz: 02:41:436 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - yeah could be cleaner here too
01:39 Electoz: like
01:39 Electoz: this thing look unclean because
01:39 Electoz: 02:41:581 (2,6) - there's an overlap
01:39 Electoz: and there's no such thing anywhere else in this pattern or whatever
01:40 Electoz: so the placements look kinda random
01:40 zhu: i dont even remember what i was thinking
01:40 zhu: lol
01:40 Electoz: zz
01:41 Electoz: 03:02:988 (3) - lol what
01:41 zhu: like this
01:41 zhu: 01:03:881 (8,2) -
01:41 Electoz: what do you mean by 01:03:881 (8,2) - 
01:41 zhu: i didnt fixed that after velocity multiplier it seems
01:42 zhu: 01:03:881 (8,2) - these are overlapped
01:42 zhu: should i place 01:04:609 (2) -  this on
01:42 zhu: x144 y72
01:43 zhu: and fix
01:43 zhu: 01:04:755 (3) - this ones spacing
01:43 zhu: ?
01:43 Electoz: depends
01:43 Electoz: but for me it's cleaner
01:43 Electoz: with the thing stacked
01:43 Electoz: overlapping a circle under a sliderbody is
01:43 Electoz: unclean + ruins readability
01:44 zhu: okay
01:44 Electoz: 01:06:357 (1,2) - could swap NC if you care about downbeat stuff
01:45 zhu: roger
01:46 Electoz: actually I'm sleepy now so
01:46 Electoz: probably one last thing
01:46 Electoz: 02:09:979 (1,2,3,4) - 
01:46 Electoz: when you're making a pattern
01:46 Electoz: or something
01:46 Electoz: make sure that it represents the song, according to your interpretation
01:47 Electoz: let's see
01:47 Electoz: for example
01:47 Electoz: 01:55:999 (1,2,3,4,5) - you did this
01:47 Electoz: because it reflects vocal right?
01:47 Electoz: and you do that whenever the same vocal happens on other places
01:47 zhu: yeah i suppose
01:47 Electoz: so
01:47 Electoz: that one
01:47 Electoz: reflects vocal
01:47 Electoz: and what about 02:09:979 (1,2,3,4) - then?
01:48 Electoz: do they reflect vocals? drums? or other rhythms?
01:48 Electoz: if you can't answer that question to yourself
01:48 Electoz: then yea you got a problem
01:48 zhu: drums
01:48 zhu: i think
01:48 Electoz: so 
01:48 Electoz: assuming you know what you're doing
01:48 Electoz: the next thing to consider is
01:49 Electoz: whether you do that kind of pattern consistently
01:49 Electoz: in this case
01:49 Electoz: 02:09:979 (1,2,3,4) - is a pattern
01:49 Electoz: 03:25:415 (1,2,3,4,5) - is not I assume?
01:50 Electoz: if some things are musically the same
01:50 zhu: oh
01:50 Electoz: then they should be reflected by similar patterns
01:50 Electoz: in mapping
01:50 Electoz: that's the very core point
01:50 Electoz: of it
01:50 zhu: okay ill fix that
01:50 zhu: i just couldnt notice that
01:50 zhu: do you think this map will be ranked in near future
01:51 Electoz: probably needs quite a bunch of mods at the very least
01:51 Electoz: to me the biggest issue I have here
01:51 Electoz: *issues
01:51 Electoz: are the way you used 1/2 repeat sliders and random overlaps which made the map untidy
01:51 Electoz: which I already mention those
01:52 zhu: i see
01:52 zhu: ill try my best
01:52 zhu: to dix them
01:52 zhu: fix*
01:52 Electoz: aa
01:52 Electoz: alright
01:52 Electoz: guess I'll sleep now
01:52 Electoz: 1:52 am
01:52 Electoz: zzz
01:53 Electoz: oh
01:53 Electoz: yeah
01:53 Electoz: one more thing
01:53 Electoz: generally for extra diffs
01:53 zhu: its 3am here imma sleep aswel
01:53 Electoz: OD generally is 8 or more
01:53 Electoz: OD depends on the complexity of rhythms in the map
01:53 Electoz: and BPM
01:53 Electoz: higher BPM = chances of higher OD
01:53 Electoz: vice versa happens too when the BPM is low
01:54 zhu: 8is good i suppose?
01:54 Electoz: 8 should be fine
01:54 zhu: okay
01:54 Electoz: ok for real I'm gonna sleep
01:54 Electoz: you don't mind if I post the logs for kds right
- e - v - b-
184 posts
Joined August 2014
- e - v - b-
Hey there, could you map your own version of the song for your top diff? considering that you literally copy and pasted my map? (talking about [Redemption] diff btw)
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu
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Rousseau_old_1
Rousseau_old_1
За мод рекүэст oWo !!! Хэлсэнээр чинь экстра дээр чинь л мод хийсэн шүү.
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Extra
Increase SV to 2.2 2.3 or more 1.8 is too low for extra also feels kind a off for kiai parts
00:47:261 (3,4,5,6) - 00:43:038 (1) - 00:43:329 (2) - 00:44:349 (2) - 00:45:805 (3,7) - 00:48:572 (4,5) - add CLAP
00:54:852 (1,4,1,2,1,1) - fix blanket
01:07:959 (1,2,3) - use rotating
01:11:163 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - fix blanket
01:13:493 (1,2,3) - is this intentional or just ugly ?
за тэгээд ер нь СВ ээ ихэсгээд янзалчвал дажгүй л юм байншд ккк goodluck 8-)
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu

Fukada Eriko wrote:

За мод рекүэст oWo !!! Хэлсэнээр чинь экстра дээр чинь л мод хийсэн шүү.
Add tags and check aimod
Extra
Increase SV to 2.2 2.3 or more 1.8 is too low for extra also feels kind a off for kiai parts
00:47:261 (3,4,5,6) - 00:43:038 (1) - 00:43:329 (2) - 00:44:349 (2) - 00:45:805 (3,7) - 00:48:572 (4,5) - add CLAP
00:54:852 (1,4,1,2,1,1) - fix blanket
01:07:959 (1,2,3) - use rotating
01:11:163 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - fix blanket
01:13:493 (1,2,3) - is this intentional or just ugly ?
за тэгээд ер нь СВ ээ ихэсгээд янзалчвал дажгүй л юм байншд ккк goodluck 8-)
Fixed all thanks <3
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu
Removed Extra changed Redemption name into extra instead.
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu
Added 3 taiko difficulties including
Nifty's Inner Oni (4.15 stars, 748 notes)
Nifty's Muzukashii (3.3 stars, 622 notes)
Nifty's Oni (3.77 stars, 664 notes)
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu
Added 2 std guest difficulties including :
Cordi's Easy (1.19 stars, 83 notes)
Victor's Hard (3 stars, 291 notes)
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu
Added Starset's Extra (5.9 stars, 515 notes)
bob80905
151 posts
Joined June 2015
bob80905
Starset's Extra
00:09:734 (3) - There seems to be a missing note here. There's a sound right before it. Maybe try a short slider?
00:26:134 (7,8,1) - Me being picky, but these aren't evenly spaced
00:07:334 (1,2) - Using this for reference, you establish an aesthetic of perfectly overlapping sliders. But these 00:32:934 (1,2) - 00:35:134 (3,1) - break that pattern. Just fyi.
00:42:310 (2) - I'd make this slider angled more vertically, makes for a better transition for previous and next note.
00:46:824 (2,3,4,5,6) - I'd make these more spaced, you're representing the same sounds with less space. The sounds right before this were spaced, so either make those smaller or make these larger ds.
01:02:698 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is just one example, but I'm not getting the pattern of when you choose to stack and when you choose to space just a little bit and overlap. From here on you seem to put hit circles always directly over slider tails, but other object combinations aren't always stacked which makes it feel kinda weird. imo. Like 01:17:553 (4,5,6) - or 01:26:727 (4,6) - 01:28:475 (6,2) - 01:00:368 (4,1) or - 01:03:572 (5,6) -
01:40:853 (1,2) - Are you not stacking these cause the spacing is 1/1? That might be a good reason, otherwise, it breaks your pattern fyi.
01:47:261 (1,2) - This one definitely breaks the pattern you've seem to have set between 1:10 and 1:30
01:47:844 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Something I personally like to do with jumps like these is leave 4 in the same exact position as 1 will be for the next set. This gives a sense of stop for time and also feels really good to play. consider it. It might give more structure to the jumps as well.
01:54:397 (4) - Maybe if you mean to follow the pattern you set for slightly offset hit circle positions, move 4 a bit to the bottom right so it compliments the previous 2 circles?
02:03:718 (4) - Same with this one, what if you do it with the next 1 circle? 02:04:300 (1) -
02:06:630 (2) - I think if you moved this under the slider in stead of making a super wide jump it'd be smoother to play and more intuitive
Insane
00:20:134 (1) - This slider should probably be similar to the very first slider in the map. So, maybe make this slider curved, or make the first slider in the map similar to this.
00:29:534 (1,2,3) - Seems to me like these should be more separate from the previous note, like how you spaced 6 from 5 with the note change. here you're entering a new segment. What if you try horizontally flipping this and moving it to x=400 y=128? I like this feel better.
00:32:534 (8,1) - Something about these sliders doesnt feel "right" to play. Like, going from a slider leading upwards, I'm not used to then hitting a curved slider that starts going upwards. So, I'd vertically flip 1. See what's that like, change if you like it more.
00:44:932 (1) - Lots of people have a not so good relationship with 3 reverse slider. I'd recommend you just make this and the next note a 5 stream. Hitting the next note is not intuitive and is also rather far away for the amount of time given to hit it.
00:56:874 (8,9) - The positions of these notes in relation to later notes in the song are not flattering, they aren't perfect, and the patter they're in isn't revolutionary. I'd say try coming up with a pattern so that 6789 compliment the upcoming notes and dont partially overlap with anything. or maybe you could just move 8 and 9 (8 overlaps with 00:58:039 (4) - and 9 overlaps with 00:57:748 (3) -)
01:07:505 (6) - This slider isn't optimally positioned. Try rotating it -30 degrees and bringing it down so it doesn't overlap with anything.
01:14:350 (6) - What if you moved 6 down and made a cool diamond shape? where it is now may be hard to read. 01:14:932 (8) - and then move this down a little
01:19:592 (6) - Why not move this more to the left on the left side of the slider? Needless overlap.
01:24:543 (7,1) - Ehhhh, you could just separate these.... its easier on the eyes.
01:29:495 (2) - Is there some way you can move this so it doesnt overlap with anything? Like, 01:08:524 (9,10,2) - This is an okay overlap cause each end looks like it overlaps the same area with the other. But this overlap doesn't work... Maybe move the square pattern further to the left and try to play with how you position the sliders?
01:48:717 (1,2) - This is a rhythmical inconsistency. You just did 2 circles and a slider for the 4 intense notes. So try copying that. and the next set, shouldn't it be 2 circles and then a slider, not the other way around?
02:05:901 (5) - I think the concavity of this slider is incorrect. This pattern establishes a clockwise flow, and you break that with this slider. You should just ctrlH this slider and place it right back where it was
Good luck on the map, I like the music :)
Starset
652 posts
Joined April 2015
Starset

bob80905 wrote:

Starset's Extra
00:09:734 (3) - There seems to be a missing note here. There's a sound right before it. Maybe try a short slider? //i decide to ignore that note since its very quiet and its on a blue tick
00:26:134 (7,8,1) - Me being picky, but these aren't evenly spaced //its meant to be like that
00:07:334 (1,2) - Using this for reference, you establish an aesthetic of perfectly overlapping sliders. But these 00:32:934 (1,2) - 00:35:134 (3,1) - break that pattern. Just fyi.//yes, because they are not using the same timelines
00:42:310 (2) - I'd make this slider angled more vertically, makes for a better transition for previous and next note. //nah i like this flow
00:46:824 (2,3,4,5,6) - I'd make these more spaced, you're representing the same sounds with less space. The sounds right before this were spaced, so either make those smaller or make these larger ds. //they are spaced depending on the instruments used, tahs why claps get more space than others
01:02:698 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is just one example, but I'm not getting the pattern of when you choose to stack and when you choose to space just a little bit and overlap. From here on you seem to put hit circles always directly over slider tails, but other object combinations aren't always stacked which makes it feel kinda weird. imo. Like 01:17:553 (4,5,6) - or 01:26:727 (4,6) - 01:28:475 (6,2) - 01:00:368 (4,1) or - 01:03:572 (5,6) - //overlap when its back and forth movement
01:40:853 (1,2) - Are you not stacking these cause the spacing is 1/1? That might be a good reason, otherwise, it breaks your pattern fyi. //ye
01:47:261 (1,2) - This one definitely breaks the pattern you've seem to have set between 1:10 and 1:30 //changed
01:47:844 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Something I personally like to do with jumps like these is leave 4 in the same exact position as 1 will be for the next set. This gives a sense of stop for time and also feels really good to play. consider it. It might give more structure to the jumps as well. //i know, i just like changin a bit from the normal
01:54:397 (4) - Maybe if you mean to follow the pattern you set for slightly offset hit circle positions, move 4 a bit to the bottom right so it compliments the previous 2 circles? //no need for that honestly, player wont tell the diffrence anyway, so stacking it and thats it
02:03:718 (4) - Same with this one, what if you do it with the next 1 circle? 02:04:300 (1) - //would be too much spaced for the next note
02:06:630 (2) - I think if you moved this under the slider in stead of making a super wide jump it'd be smoother to play and more intuitive //which slider
update
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zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu
Insane
00:20:134 (1) - This slider should probably be similar to the very first slider in the map. So, maybe make this slider curved, or make the first slider in the map similar to this.
00:29:534 (1,2,3) - Seems to me like these should be more separate from the previous note, like how you spaced 6 from 5 with the note change. here you're entering a new segment. What if you try horizontally flipping this and moving it to x=400 y=128? I like this feel better.
00:32:534 (8,1) - Something about these sliders doesnt feel "right" to play. Like, going from a slider leading upwards, I'm not used to then hitting a curved slider that starts going upwards. So, I'd vertically flip 1. See what's that like, change if you like it more.
00:44:932 (1) - Lots of people have a not so good relationship with 3 reverse slider. I'd recommend you just make this and the next note a 5 stream. Hitting the next note is not intuitive and is also rather far away for the amount of time given to hit it.
00:56:874 (8,9) - The positions of these notes in relation to later notes in the song are not flattering, they aren't perfect, and the patter they're in isn't revolutionary. I'd say try coming up with a pattern so that 6789 compliment the upcoming notes and dont partially overlap with anything. or maybe you could just move 8 and 9 (8 overlaps with 00:58:039 (4) - and 9 overlaps with 00:57:748 (3) -)
01:07:505 (6) - This slider isn't optimally positioned. Try rotating it -30 degrees and bringing it down so it doesn't overlap with anything.
01:14:350 (6) - What if you moved 6 down and made a cool diamond shape? where it is now may be hard to read. 01:14:932 (8) - and then move this down a little
01:19:592 (6) - Why not move this more to the left on the left side of the slider? Needless overlap.
01:24:543 (7,1) - Ehhhh, you could just separate these.... its easier on the eyes.
01:29:495 (2) - Is there some way you can move this so it doesnt overlap with anything? Like, 01:08:524 (9,10,2) - This is an okay overlap cause each end looks like it overlaps the same area with the other. But this overlap doesn't work... Maybe move the square pattern further to the left and try to play with how you position the sliders?
01:48:717 (1,2) - This is a rhythmical inconsistency. You just did 2 circles and a slider for the 4 intense notes. So try copying that. and the next set, shouldn't it be 2 circles and then a slider, not the other way around?
02:05:901 (5) - I think the concavity of this slider is incorrect. This pattern establishes a clockwise flow, and you break that with this slider. You should just ctrlH this slider and place it right back where it was
applied some didnt apply some kinda busy atm will mod your map in 2days
bob80905
151 posts
Joined June 2015
bob80905
Sorry, Starset, I meant 02:05:902 (5) - for the last point, move the circle to the left or under this slider for easy and intuitive jumps
Starset
652 posts
Joined April 2015
Starset

bob80905 wrote:

Sorry, Starset, I meant 02:05:902 (5) - for the last point, move the circle to the left or under this slider for easy and intuitive jumps
i wanna keep the back and forth movement to match the song
-Tochi
Elite Storyboarder
1,444 posts
Joined November 2013
-Tochi
here it is
GD
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Starset
652 posts
Joined April 2015
Starset
hitsounds update
osu file format v14

[General]
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[Editor]
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[Metadata]
Title:Nevereverland
TitleUnicode:Nevereverland
Artist:Nano
ArtistUnicode:ナノ
Creator:zhu
Version:Starset's Extra
Source:
Tags:naoki itou n neko アークix nifty cordi victorfernando -tochi starset hb24
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[Difficulty]
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Skylish
1,070 posts
Joined June 2013
Skylish
The map owner asked me to do a few testplays on the taiko set, here's the summary of my feedback to Nifty:

1. Wrong barline setting:

> 01:31:533 - this is a new section yes, but it looks so poorly. The music extents from 01:31:387 - and does not show a distinct cut at 01:31:533 - . So you can omit this barline.

2. Spread issue:

The difficulty spread is poor across all 3 taiko difficulties. It is told very obviously already in the no. of objects.

Just simply removing or adding notes based on Oni does not work on Muzukashii or Inner Oni respectively. You must work on them individually considering the use of pattern and density spread via following different mapping channels, under different mapping rationales and emphases.

! Muzukashii should have more 1/2 breaks, the current 1/2 patterns are exactly the same of Oni. It is not okay....

! Inner Oni could contain more stream patterns to enrich the exciting tension of the music.

3. Uses of SV

! If you have SV Oni and SV Inner Oni, Muzukashii should only have light and necessary SV changes only, or even without any SVs. It makes sense to provide a real easier difficulty among the whole Taiko set. Talking about the SVs in Muzukashii, they are too vigorous, and should not be tolerated in Muzukashii level. In Oni and Inner Oni, you can more or less fine-tune the SV changes to show a progression of them respectively.

> The SV changes are questionable: 01:04:154 - / 01:32:115 - they should not share the same value of SV because of their different tensions. It is so weird now, the SVs are mismatch for 0.8x in drum-set-available sections. Simple 1.0x is good enough, for progressive SVs, you can use 1.0x+ method to express it. 1.0x+ (<1.15x perhaps) is acceptable for BPM=206.

[]

A small reminder on the 1366*651 resolution Taiko BG, 1366*768 is the recommended one. (Full HD is always welcome)

You must get mods to fix the above mentioned stuff first before you try to reach BNs' checks.
Nifty
Beatmap Nominator
898 posts
Joined September 2014
Nifty
yeah I kinda shit out these diffs without thinking of them (at the time, this set hadn't had mods for like 5 months.)

Guess I'll actually take a look.

dunno why owner called bn without having mods.

I never noticed that redline issue, I didn't analyze what zhu gave me, anyways. I mean, the sv are even off because I first mapped two diffs with 1.8x base sv instead of 1.4 cause I didn't notice xd

how the hell did you get here so fast anyways
Nifty
Beatmap Nominator
898 posts
Joined September 2014
Nifty
I'll post them here.

Fixed... everything lmao

muzu
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Nifty
Beatmap Nominator
898 posts
Joined September 2014
Nifty
double post, first post had 900 too many characters lmao


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bezbashn
181 posts
Joined June 2015
bezbashn
[Insane]
00:56:290 (5) - Maybe put this with 00:57:601 in a stack ?
01:01:242 (6,7,9) - Maybe it's just me, but for aesthetics look out for things like that


01:10:271 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - Looks perfect centered, but it's not :o



02:00:076 - I'd make this stream one of this shapes

[Starset's Extra]
00:44:931 (4) - NC perhaps ?
01:50:610 - This piano sound is last and it goes longer than just a single note. Would like it to be made as a slider to 01:50:756

[-Tochi's Extra]
00:03:734 (6,1) - Stack them for the greater good
00:04:934 (3,4) - These two are in contrast of previous two. You need player to realise that there is a time gap between them. Space them a bit
00:13:334 (8) - All previous sounds are going lower but you've emphasized just this one with bigger spacing. Make all circles increase/decrease spacing between each other or don't do anything.
00:32:134 (1,1,1,1) - No practical use of NC. All sounds are the same. Also there is no sudden change in music.
01:14:057 (1,3) - Since this difficulty is extra i guess placing it this way is okay. Just decided to mention.

Then there are just repeating things
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu

bezbashn wrote:

[Insane]
00:56:290 (5) - Maybe put this with 00:57:601 in a stack ? fixed
01:01:242 (6,7,9) - Maybe it's just me, but for aesthetics look out for things like that fixed


01:10:271 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - Looks perfect centered, but it's not :o fixed



02:00:076 - I'd make this stream one if this shapes made straight
Narcissu
1,744 posts
Joined August 2012
Narcissu

General

  1. try use 192kbps mp3 .
  2. and i think clips will be better than fade out, simple example: http://puu.sh/yUJ3u/fc3fddef32.mp3
  3. 01:51:338 - need‘t red line?

Redemption

  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - NC same as 00:08:534 (2,1) - ?
  2. 00:10:534 (1,2,3) - i dislike stacking in downbeat lol, i will jump here as your “add whistle” 00:10:934 (2,3) - 00:11:534 (4,5) - http://puu.sh/yUJf1/ad457cf5fa.jpg
  3. 00:18:734 - maybe you follow voice, but i suggest add note here 。and 00:16:934 (2) - 1/1 better imo
  4. 00:40:854 (1,2,3) - 01:26:290 (7,8,9) - 01:29:786 (5,6,7) - it's really bad, 3hit before downbeat is common sense of music. if you want to add 3hit, should be like 01:43:038 (4,5,1) - 02:00:076 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - under normal conditions
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu

Narcissu wrote:

General

  1. try use 192kbps mp3 . alright
  2. and i think clips will be better than fade out, simple example: http://puu.sh/yUJ3u/fc3fddef32.mp3 I will consider this
  3. 01:51:338 - need‘t red line? fixed


Redemption

  1. 00:02:134 (2,3) - NC same as 00:08:534 (2,1) - ? fixed
  2. 00:10:534 (1,2,3) - i dislike stacking in downbeat lol, i will jump here as your “add whistle” 00:10:934 (2,3) - 00:11:534 (4,5) - http://puu.sh/yUJf1/ad457cf5fa.jpg fixed
  3. 00:18:734 - maybe you follow voice, but i suggest add note here 。and 00:16:934 (2) - 1/1 better imo it is better this way
  4. 00:40:854 (1,2,3) - 01:26:290 (7,8,9) - 01:29:786 (5,6,7) - it's really bad, 3hit before downbeat is common sense of music. if you want to add 3hit, should be like 01:43:038 (4,5,1) - 02:00:076 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - under normal conditions fixed one
ailv
403 posts
Joined August 2015
ailv
General Stuff

fix ur slider colours/borders and stuff, they're not the same across all diffs.

Check these hs they have >5ms delay

drum-hitclap.wav
normal-hitclap.wav
normal-hitclap2.wav
normal-hitclap4.wav

Redemption

00:09:334 (1,2,3,1) - spacing is too large, even though it's 1/1 compare to earlier 00:02:134 (2,1) - , 00:04:934 (3,4) - or 00:06:534 (6,1) -
00:07:334 (1,2) - flow is bad here, 00:08:534 (2) - nudge this over so it's in line with the exit of 1

00:13:734 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - all of this is kind of bad rhythm wise, i'd use more filler rhythm, cause as it stands the entire background is being ignored in favour of the vocals, and that's not emphasized well either
for example, 00:16:334 (1) - begins on a piano, and misses the big vocal tick here. Try not to mix instrument like this, it doesn't work well.
00:19:734 (3,4) - Certain spacings are also really low :c you lose a lot of emphasis this way.

00:40:926 (2) - theres no note here.00:40:999 (3,4) - stack 4 under 3? i dont think there's enough reason for there to be much movement here, 4 isn't a very strong note.

00:42:164 (3,4) - spacing is too large, this note has no drum it's just a muted string. 00:42:455 (4,5) - needs more spacing since there is a drum

00:43:766 (1,2,3,4) - this isn't 1/4 it's 1/4 rhythm, 2 and 4 are mapped to nothing at all. 00:43:620 (4,1) - This low angle and spacing is very awkward to play.

00:46:679 (1,2) - spacing is too low

00:50:174 (2) - rhythm starting here is wonky. I'd recommend checking to make sure strong sounds are clickable and weak sounds aren't. The current way seems abstract and it's difficult to identify the instrument each note is mapped to, there's not really much consistency. Some examples below:
00:50:465 (3) - should be 2 notes, 00:50:756 (4,5) - should be 1 slider
00:53:087 (4,5) - should be a slider, 00:52:795 (3) - two notes.

01:03:863 (7,8) - spacing is literally a cross-screen jump that's basically unsupported by the music whatsoever. 01:03:572 (5,6,7,8) - these 4 circles are much less intense than 01:02:989 (1,2,3,4) - but use much higher spacing.

01:07:941 (3,4,5) - Pattern like this makes no sense really. You kill any sort of spacing emphasis, they're all different sounds, and you've never done this sort of stacking before.

this section also has many issues, 01:08:815 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - rhythm wise.
01:10:271 (6,7) - should be a slider, 01:09:543 (4) - should be 2 circles.

The rhythm and spacing issues persist for the rest of the map, I'll stop on this diff for now. Feel free to ask me ingame if you need help or if you want another check later once you've replied.

-Tochi's Extra

01:31:533 (custom set number)
01:51:339 (kiai)

double green lines

00:07:284 (1,2) - is kind of misleading since, 00:09:634 (4,5) - is 1/4th rhythm.

00:15:734 (1,2,1,1,1,2) - I don't think you need nc spam here or here 00:21:934 (1,1,1,1,2,1,1) -, 00:32:134 (1,1,1,1) - , it's really excessive, nc spam doesn't need to be used to make it easier to read or anything they're pretty simple patterns in a slow spot.

01:02:407 (1,2) - these have the guitar while, 01:02:698 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - don't. It'd be better to make them distinguished.

01:33:863 (1,1,1,1) - unneeded nc's 01:35:465 (1) -, 01:43:766 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - , 01:50:318 (1,1,1) -

01:52:649 (2) - stacking this really kills the emphasis

01:53:377 (5,6) - spacing feels low

very fun map c:
Last edited by ailv , edited 1 time in total.
Starset
652 posts
Joined April 2015
Starset

bezbashn wrote:

[Starset's Extra]
00:44:931 (4) - NC perhaps ? //not needed
01:50:610 - This piano sound is last and it goes longer than just a single note. Would like it to be made as a slider to 01:50:756 //i prefer keeping it
update
osu file format v14

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zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu

ailv wrote:

General Stuff

fix ur slider colours/borders and stuff, they're not the same across all diffs. Intentional

Check these hs they have >5ms delay

drum-hitclap.wav
normal-hitclap.wav
normal-hitclap2.wav
normal-hitclap4.wav Took them from ranked set so it is okay

Redemption

00:09:334 (1,2,3,1) - spacing is too large, even though it's 1/1 compare to earlier 00:02:134 (2,1) - , 00:04:934 (3,4) - or 00:06:534 (6,1) - not really i am following the strong piano

00:07:334 (1,2) - flow is bad here, 00:08:534 (2) - nudge this over so it's in line with the exit of 1 fixed

00:13:734 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - all of this is kind of bad rhythm wise, i'd use more filler rhythm, cause as it stands the entire background is being ignored in favour of the vocals, and that's not emphasized well either
for example, 00:16:334 (1) - begins on a piano, and misses the big vocal tick here. Try not to mix instrument like this, it doesn't work well.
00:19:734 (3,4) - Certain spacings are also really low :c you lose a lot of emphasis this way. will try to remap this section

00:40:926 (2) - theres no note here.00:40:999 (3,4) - stack 4 under 3? i dont think there's enough reason for there to be much movement here, 4 isn't a very strong note. fixed

00:42:164 (3,4) - spacing is too large, this note has no drum it's just a muted string. 00:42:455 (4,5) - needs more spacing since there is a drum
fixed
00:43:766 (1,2,3,4) - this isn't 1/4 it's 1/4 rhythm, 2 and 4 are mapped to nothing at all. 00:43:620 (4,1) - This low angle and spacing is very awkward to play. fixed

00:46:679 (1,2) - spacing is too low fixed

00:50:174 (2) - rhythm starting here is wonky. I'd recommend checking to make sure strong sounds are clickable and weak sounds aren't. The current way seems abstract and it's difficult to identify the instrument each note is mapped to, there's not really much consistency. Some examples below:
00:50:465 (3) - should be 2 notes, 00:50:756 (4,5) - should be 1 slider
00:53:087 (4,5) - should be a slider, 00:52:795 (3) - two notes. fixed

01:03:863 (7,8) - spacing is literally a cross-screen jump that's basically unsupported by the music whatsoever. 01:03:572 (5,6,7,8) - these 4 circles are much less intense than 01:02:989 (1,2,3,4) - but use much higher spacing. fixed

01:07:941 (3,4,5) - Pattern like this makes no sense really. You kill any sort of spacing emphasis, they're all different sounds, and you've never done this sort of stacking before. trying to emphasize lyrics

this section also has many issues, 01:08:815 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - rhythm wise.
01:10:271 (6,7) - should be a slider, 01:09:543 (4) - should be 2 circles. fixed

The rhythm and spacing issues persist for the rest of the map, I'll stop on this diff for now. Feel free to ask me ingame if you need help or if you want another check later once you've replied.
YukiZura-
762 posts
Joined October 2015
YukiZura-
q

[Reality]
00:14:934 (2) - how about replace this sldier with a note or extend it to here 00:15:334 - feels like that slider is out of place huhu
01:07:941 (3,4,5) - nc all this slider to present the velocity changes
02:01:096 (3) - tidy up pls ;-; for example

00:49:300 (1) - wait why nc here lol .. should be here 00:49:082 (7) -
00:50:174 (2,3) - i see your map use too many different slider shape , if you can pls avoid this because it makes the map look ugly (but slider map is another story xd) , if you decided with 00:50:174 (2) - this slider , 00:50:465 (3) - this slider also should be the same as the one before but difference rotation
like this for example
00:58:038 (6,1) - hurm bad transition , move the slider end to X:120 Y:148 for better transition
01:51:047 (3) - no sound :(

[insane]
00:34:334 (3) - remove whistle
01:14:932 (1) - nc here?
00:32:534 (8,1) - blanket this

insane look good enough xd

[normal]
00:42:601 - why break here lol ..
00:56:290 (2,1) - blanket pls
02:06:484 (3,4) - hurm should be here 02:06:193 - , to avoid comfusing new player

ok that's all ><
goodluck
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu

YukiZura- wrote:

q

[Reality]
00:14:934 (2) - how about replace this sldier with a note or extend it to here 00:15:334 - feels like that slider is out of place huhu
01:07:941 (3,4,5) - nc all this slider to present the velocity changes
02:01:096 (3) - tidy up pls ;-; for example

00:49:300 (1) - wait why nc here lol .. should be here 00:49:082 (7) -
00:50:174 (2,3) - i see your map use too many different slider shape , if you can pls avoid this because it makes the map look ugly (but slider map is another story xd) , if you decided with 00:50:174 (2) - this slider , 00:50:465 (3) - this slider also should be the same as the one before but difference rotation
like this for example
00:58:038 (6,1) - hurm bad transition , move the slider end to X:120 Y:148 for better transition
01:51:047 (3) - no sound :(

[insane]
00:34:334 (3) - remove whistle
01:14:932 (1) - nc here?
00:32:534 (8,1) - blanket this

insane look good enough xd

[normal]
00:42:601 - why break here lol ..
00:56:290 (2,1) - blanket pls
02:06:484 (3,4) - hurm should be here 02:06:193 - , to avoid comfusing new player

ok that's all ><
goodluck
Fixed all thanks for mod
-Tochi
Elite Storyboarder
1,444 posts
Joined November 2013
-Tochi
mods

bezbashn wrote:

[-Tochi's Extra]
00:03:734 (6,1) - Stack them for the greater good this is intentionally unstacked
00:04:934 (3,4) - These two are in contrast of previous two. You need player to realise that there is a time gap between them. Space them a bit will be inconsistent if I change to your recommendation
00:13:334 (8) - All previous sounds are going lower but you've emphasized just this one with bigger spacing. Make all circles increase/decrease spacing between each other or don't do anything. listen closely, it goes like this: lower > higher
00:32:134 (1,1,1,1) - No practical use of NC. All sounds are the same. Also there is no sudden change in music. This is intentional, I do this on piano parts like this
01:14:057 (1,3) - Since this difficulty is extra i guess placing it this way is okay. Just decided to mention. what

Then there are just repeating things

ailv wrote:

-Tochi's Extra

01:31:533 (custom set number) Fixed!
01:51:339 (kiai) Fixed!

double green lines

00:07:284 (1,2) - is kind of misleading since, 00:09:634 (4,5) - is 1/4th rhythm. Not a big deal imo

00:15:734 (1,2,1,1,1,2) - I don't think you need nc spam here or here 00:21:934 (1,1,1,1,2,1,1) -, 00:32:134 (1,1,1,1) - , it's really excessive, nc spam doesn't need to be used to make it easier to read or anything they're pretty simple patterns in a slow spot. Those ncs are clearly intentional so I want to keep them since they're representing spacing changes in the piano parts i map with them. It's a big part of this mapping style.

01:02:407 (1,2) - these have the guitar while, 01:02:698 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - don't. It'd be better to make them distinguished. I don't follow the guitar here, it's almost hard to notice it lol. I follow the violin

01:33:863 (1,1,1,1) - unneeded nc's 01:35:465 (1) -, 01:43:766 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - , 01:50:318 (1,1,1) - Same answer as before, I don't think you know why I did this

01:52:649 (2) - stacking this really kills the emphasis Seems fine to me

01:53:377 (5,6) - spacing feels low eh

.osu update
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VINXIS
Featured Artist
3,161 posts
Joined April 2014
VINXIS
Fucking placehodler didnt mod today cuz i was eaten up by gay ass shit
zhu
1,325 posts
Joined March 2016
Topic Starter
zhu

Mishima Yurara wrote:

Fucking placehodler didnt mod today cuz i was eaten up by gay ass shit
it is okay just mod it today ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Djulus
570 posts
Joined September 2014
Djulus
last
00:39:334 (1) - nc
00:40:999 (2,3) - stacking on 1/4 so weirdly imo
01:07:941 (7,8,9) - that part needs more ds cuz this pattern looks weird imo
02:13:474 (11) - nc
02:13:620 (1) - it would be better if you put spinnner on blue tick
tochi
00:49:591 (1,2) - overlap,that stack will be plays very weird imo if you did stack on like 01:10:417 (2,3) -
01:10:417 (2,3) - it would be better if you make better flow for this pattern
01:39:397 (3) - this reverse follows "nothing" not instrumental not vocal, 1/1 slider better imo
02:14:348 (1,3) - nc?
starset
best
but 00:49:883 (6) - why nc, on this moment didn't have big sound imo
insane
00:54:252 (6,8) - what about unstack 00:54:398 (7,9) - and pls nerf ds, too far for insane
00:58:621 (5,6) - same with ds
01:19:592 (6) - replace this circle on left side for better flow cuz ds looks weirdly
01:54:250 (4) - same with ds
verY
01:43:183 (1,2) - what with ds,its should be better if you do for this same ds like 01:47:843 (1,2) - (i mean you should fix ds on slow part cuz looks weirdly for me)
01:51:775 (2,3) - idk but you should fix ds uwu.
nice diff btw
victor
01:51:339 (9) - ctrl+g? cuz big sound+better flow
02:05:902 (3) - why 3/4? would be better if you use 1/2 for some aesthetics
normal
00:21:934 (3,4) - fix ds
this diff needs more aesthetics patterns not a just 1/4 jumps for example use some 1/2 sliders
easy
clean
Namki
1,281 posts
Joined November 2014
Namki
[Redemption]
  1. 00:04:534 - / 00:05:734 - / 00:06:334 - / etc - they're giving too much feedback to player but there's no even a sound. I suggest you to silence sliderends.
  2. 00:30:334 (4) - you are undermapping vocals right now, by judging the entire section I could say that you're prioritizing vocals over instrumentals and sometimes when vocals end you map according to instrumental. It's decent rhythm choice but this certain pattern breaks this idea. Consider replacing it with a circle on red tick and a 1/2 slider on white tick.
  3. 00:40:999 (2,3) - pretty emphasis lacking pattern. 00:41:290 - music here is quite prominent for being understacked with a slider. Something like that would fit.
  4. 00:43:038 (10) - don't you think it's too way prominent to have it that unemphasized? This sound is outstading and spacing should be so. Consider making spacing bigger for better emphasis.
  5. 00:44:349 (5,6) - stack isn't something good to play here, you stop cursor movement and also it goes sorta inconsistent.
  6. 00:54:252 (9,10,11,12) - music kinda changes here, bigger spacing for better emphasis?
  7. 00:57:601 (2,3,4) - spacing looks pretty illogical. 00:57:747 - it has more prominent sound under than this 00:57:892 - so the first circle should've spaced more than the second.
  8. 01:21:922 (2,1,2,1) - flow is really uncomfortable here. Angle suddenly becomes too wide here 01:22:067 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - and it makes little sense as well. There are no sounds to change flow angle in this way. Consider making angle less wide, you can do it simply move this circle 01:22:212 (2) - somewhere down this circle 01:21:922 (2) - . Furthermore, if you make that jump bigger it would emphasize music better. For instance, https://namki.s-ul.eu/F0MKmd2D.jpg .
  9. Okay, I will summarize my main concern for this diff. It's spacing emphasis. As I said earlier, map lacks it. Also, your map is pretty "generic" as they say so logic here is something about "more prominent sound - more spacing" and sometimes you are following this logic but sometimes you do not. Try to make it more consistent. Some examples: 01:23:815 (6) - it's like the peak of measure and beat is kinda audible, 01:25:417 (5) - too prominent for being stacked, 01:30:951 (4,5,6,7) - the same, 01:53:669 (3,4) - the same (but some stackes are perfectly fitting, I only pointed out these which had prominent sound on the second circle), etc. I think you've got my idea.
  10. 01:26:582 (5,6) - I'm quite satisfied with this one but you may like to follow 1/2 here, instead. Because these sound are kinda outstanding and they appear like only one time per part, so. Arguable. Try to recieve feedback on this.
  11. 01:41:145 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - that's soooo inaudible. Mind explaining what are you following there?
  12. 01:45:441 (6,7) - minor. Maybe try to avoid overlap?
  13. 01:51:047 (3) - this circle makes no sense at all. There's no music so I assume you were following vocals but how about this 01:51:193 - it has vocals, too! Consider either deleting this circle or add one more at 01:51:193 - .

[-Tochi's Xtra]
  1. Just compare 00:51:630 - with 00:51:921 - , from my side they sounds pretty similar but spacing is very different, consider making it more consistent.
  2. 00:56:873 (7) - mhm, piano is something outstanding for this part so it would be logical to have this circle spaced more. Like, something of this kind https://namki.s-ul.eu/O4Fywng8.jpg . And NC to emphasize it even more.
  3. 00:59:057 (7,1) - do you think that harsh broken flow is played in a good way after pretty dense 1/4 part? Try ctrl+H out. Maybe you like it more but it's discussable, though.
  4. 00:59:931 (3,5) - perfectl stack feels out of the context. Pretty inconsistent, you haven't done it before for this part so consider making it that way 00:53:087 (4,5,6) -
  5. 01:27:019 (7) - I don't really like smaller spacing here, it make little sense to me. Instrumentals are quite prominent.
  6. It seems like some kind of idea if yours but I disagree with these stacks 01:52:504 (1,2) - and 02:01:824 (1,2) - it's the new measure and vocals are too way strong.я

[Starset's Xtra]
  1. 00:47:261 (5,6,7) - my concern here is in lack of spacing emphasis. Each of them require more spacing 00:47:261 (5,6) - too way outstanding and strong sounds. And this needs less spacing 00:47:553 (7) - because this sound is weaker than 00:47:261 (5,6) - so having it spaced more makes little sense.
  2. 00:48:135 (2,3,4) - back'n'forth jumps with 00:48:426 (4,5,6,7) - triangle jumps do not work here as you wanted. Angles are too way different and it makes it looks kinda messy and break the flow. I'd want to move my cursor back to 00:48:281 (3) - after hitting 00:48:426 (4) - but you have wide triangle after narrow one.
  3. 00:49:009 (1,2,3,4,5) - maybe use bigger spacing? Music is pretty dense so it's quite logical.
  4. 00:52:213 (7,1,2,3) - as I already said, 00:52:504 - new measure so bigger spacing is the best choice here. That would be a waste of time and energy if I point all patterns like this one, so I'll point few of them and you decide whether listen to me or not.
    01:14:057 (3,4,5) - acceleration looks pretty senseless here, this 01:14:349 - sound isn't really that important to prioritize it over these 01:14:057 (3,4) - .
  5. 01:51:630 (2) - if something like that was fine before the kiai section then now it sounds kinda lacking some emphasis. Sound is too way prominent for being stacked. The same goes for 02:00:950 - and others like these two.
  6. 02:06:484 (1,2) - small spacing out of nowhere. Music isn't meant to be either calm or have less density, this requires more emphasis for sure.
[Insane]
  1. Okay, I've pointed that quite few but 00:43:039 (1) - this sounds pretty weird, having such strong sound understacked isn't the best way of emphasizing things. The soulution would be simply unstack and make jump to that prominent sound.
  2. 00:45:514 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - nice triangles but they kinda cover theirselves and it goes visually unpleasant. Consider just placing it a bit right every time new triangle appear. Like that https://namki.s-ul.eu/52alsRvY.jpg
  3. 00:47:407 - it defenitely has kinda audible sound.
  4. And as I've pointed again 00:48:282 (2) - density is starting to rise and having small spacing makes little sense. If you had spacing acceleration
  5. 01:01:242 (6,7,8,9) - it would be spacing-wise correct to make it that way because each of 01:01:387 (7,8,9) - have the same sound and the different one is 01:01:242 - .
  6. 01:15:223 (2,3,4,5,1) - you are decelerating spacing which doesn't make sense at all, I agree with bigger spacing here 01:15:223 (2,3) - because of snare but 01:15:806 (1) - defenitely needs more spacing. Alright, I will not write just timestamps with "bigger spacing due to prominency" or "less spacing because of weakness". Will point out few patterns and you'll decide if you find my point of view correct. 01:20:465 - bigger due to prominency, 01:24:834 - the same, 01:53:376 (5,6) - bigger spacing because of vocals and less spacing makes little sense as music didn't become less strong, etc. You've got what I mean.
  7. 01:22:359 (8) - NC because of other instrument is introduced.
  8. 01:51:339 (1,3) - minor. It's overlapping just by one pixel, move it pleease?
[Very Hard]
  1. If higher difficulties were finу with NC here I recommend you to place NC every new measure, it's quite hard to deal with combo of 8 in Hard.
  2. 01:16:095 (2) - rhythm seems weird. Vocals are 1/2 as well as instrumentals, consider replacing with two 1/2 sliders.
  3. Spacing to 01:16:678 (3) - is too way small, you had 1.7x with 1/2 gap but this one looks like 1/2 pattern instead of 1/1. So, ye, bigger spacing for sure.
  4. 01:18:718 - mhm, this sudden rhythm change isn't really a good idea, try to fill this with objects. Also, spacing there as for 1/2 gap but you have there 3/4 gap.
  5. 01:24:834 (1,2) - switch NC. Also, they seem to correalte with each other but music is too different. Try differen slidershapes or angles.
  6. 01:50:319 (1) - you express this piano in the same way as 01:47:843 (1) - / 01:48:717 (1) - / etc. - so this rhythm-wise lacking, try just 3 circles with something about 1.2x spacing, istead.
  7. The rhythm in kiai is something I disagree with. So, why is this kiai? Because it's a chrous and it's music apogee but rhythm is undermapping both vocals and intrumentals also rhythms have too way little density. Also, spacing is even smaller than in non-kiai parts. I highly recommend you to reconsider kiai part fully with dense enough patterns and with logical spacing.


[Victor's Hard]
  1. I don't really know if this concern of mine is that solid here since it's Hard and it's not supposed to be complex and reflect music by 100 percent but still. 00:46:824 (1,2) - it's stacked and 00:46:824 - stronger than 00:46:970 - so it's logical to stack these but on the other hand 00:47:407 (4,5) - music is pretty the same for 00:47:407 - and 00:47:553 - (I would even say 00:47:553 - is more prominent) so it lacks logic. The same here 00:52:358 (4,5) - it's even the new measure. I suggest you to keep some of the stacks and remove stacks on that prominent sounds.
  2. 00:49:591 (6) - that's too obvious issue as for me. Replace it?
  3. 01:01:679 - want to see a circle here.
  4. Maybe NC every 01:48:717 (3) - / 01:49:591 (5) - / 01:50:319 (7) - and 01:51:047 (8) - . The last two ones defenitely should be NC'd and 01:51:339 (9,1) - switched NC for sure.
  5. 01:50:319 (7) - the same concern as for Very Hard. You expressed it in the same way as 01:47:844 (1) - / 01:48:717 (3) - and 01:49:591 (5) - so maybe circles for variety.
[Normal]
  1. I am not really sure if this recover time is enough 01:01:970 (1) - for 206 bpm.
  2. 01:20:466 (1,2) - and 01:47:261 (3,1) - stacks appear only twice per diff. It's really better to remove them as they do not go consistently so it's hard to handle with sudden stacks.
[Easy]
  1. 00:52:504 (1,1) - yup, it's noticeable ingame. Try to avoid?
  2. 01:40:853 (1,2) - I heard it is not the best idea to make comoplex slidershapes as these in easy. Consider making path more linear.
gl~
Starset
652 posts
Joined April 2015
Starset

Djulus wrote:

starset
best
but 00:49:883 (6) - why nc, on this moment didn't have big sound imo //better for reading cuz there a 1/1 pause

Namki wrote:

[Starset's Xtra]
  1. 00:47:261 (5,6,7) - my concern here is in lack of spacing emphasis. Each of them require more spacing 00:47:261 (5,6) - too way outstanding and strong sounds. And this needs less spacing 00:47:553 (7) - because this sound is weaker than 00:47:261 (5,6) - so having it spaced more makes little sense. //just fyi but sliders are easier to hit than circles so they may be more spaced but the effort to reach it is easier than for circles but tryed adjusting it anyway
  2. 00:48:135 (2,3,4) - back'n'forth jumps with 00:48:426 (4,5,6,7) - triangle jumps do not work here as you wanted. Angles are too way different and it makes it looks kinda messy and break the flow. I'd want to move my cursor back to 00:48:281 (3) - after hitting 00:48:426 (4) - but you have wide triangle after narrow one. //idk how it is a problem
  3. 00:49:009 (1,2,3,4,5) - maybe use bigger spacing? Music is pretty dense so it's quite logical. //every pattern in my maps is related to each other stacks and overlaps etc...i kinda like my positioning so we'll see for now
  4. 00:52:213 (7,1,2,3) - as I already said, 00:52:504 - new measure so bigger spacing is the best choice here. That would be a waste of time and energy if I point all patterns like this one, so I'll point few of them and you decide whether listen to me or not. //maybe its a new measure but if u listen the violin gets more intense after thats why i chose to make a build up
    01:14:057 (3,4,5) - acceleration looks pretty senseless here, this 01:14:349 - sound isn't really that important to prioritize it over these 01:14:057 (3,4) - .//i prioritize drums (claps) thats why it has more spacing
  5. 01:51:630 (2) - if something like that was fine before the kiai section then now it sounds kinda lacking some emphasis. Sound is too way prominent for being stacked. The same goes for 02:00:950 - and others like these two. //keepin it consistent i dont wanna change it a 3rd time since it was already diffrent in the piano section
  6. 02:06:484 (1,2) - small spacing out of nowhere. Music isn't meant to be either calm or have less density, this requires more emphasis for sure. //2 dosent need much spacing theres nothing to emphasize on it and making everything very spaced just because the song is not calm isnt an option btw
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_Meep_
1,707 posts
Joined April 2014
_Meep_
From Meep's Love Live Modding Queue!
redemption
00:16:934 (3) - NC?
00:20:134 (4,1) - Swap NC and add NC on 00:21:534 (2) - ?
00:32:934 (1) - NC this i guess, plays and seems better.
00:40:854 - This parts' NCs are pretty long honestly, and it kinda looks bad imo. Look 01:04:154 - here and you can see you NCed every big white tick or notable vocal sound that introduced another part. Why not use the same NCing as the later part in the early parts of the song? The NCing in this song is really messy tbh.
01:07:941 (7,8,9) - honestly there wouldnt be any emphasis on any of them since the players would just be resting their cursors on the sliderheads ._. this would only work if they were 3/4s.
01:11:145 (7) - NC this, why is the NCing different from 01:05:174 - ?
01:20:465 (6) - NC cause of loud sound
01:21:631 (2) - The jump part should start here, why is it that it starts on 01:21:485 (1) - ? Looking from 01:21:630 - the ncing pattern should also be something like
01:23:815 (6) - why is this not NCed when 01:25:853 (1) - is?
01:28:912 (1,2) - Swap NCs, it fits better.
01:45:222 (5,6,7) - This just looks bad visually, i rather you either overlap it more, or dont overlap it at all.
01:45:514 (7,4) - at least use the same slider

tochi
00:32:134 (1,1,1,1) - rather than emphasising certain notes i think you should make all these have the same DS, since you're mapping to the piano which barely changes in intensity.
00:37:534 (5) - according to how you NCed different parts, i think this should be NCed too.
really nice diff, like it.

starset
gjob i cant find shit LOL

insane
00:21:534 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - why is the DS changing so inconsistently here? If you want to map the increasing volume of the piano, increase the DS gradually.
00:44:932 (1,2) - it's really hard to hit this 1/8 reverse slider without sliderbreaking, i strongly suggest you change this.
01:10:272 (1) - this shouldnt be NCed according to how you mapped the earlier parts.
01:14:932 (1) - remove NC
01:49:008 (2,1) - this overlap ._.
01:51:339 (1,3) - this too..
01:52:212 (4) - put the clap here instead of 01:52:358 (5) - , why would u clap to the vocals?
01:59:347 (4,5,6,7) - flow is really bad here, players have to move they mouse further to the bottom left after already doing it once from 5-6, its annoying to hit and i think you should fix it.
02:05:901 (5,2) - i can let this slip but u can change if u want ;/
I don't really see any consistent emphasis on notes that have claps or powerful sounds in the chorus, or actualy in the whole map. May want to look at this again and remap parts of it.

thats all for now
the spread is somewhat bad because you're going from 3* -> 3.5* -> 5* which is a pretty high jump if i do say so miyself, therefore i suggest you add in a light insane or buff the hard
Arphimigon
1,650 posts
Joined December 2014
Arphimigon
Lab Aesthetics Mod!
Results given in [x, y] formats
[-Tochi's Extra]
01:31:969 - should be placed at: [98, 233] (currently at: [99, 234]) to move in line with slider at time 01:32:115 -
02:10:999 - should be placed at: [134, 205] (currently at: [138, 208]) to blanket slider body at time 02:10:562 -
[Cordi's Easy]
00:25:734 - should be placed at: [117, 235] (currently at: [118, 236]) to move in line with slider at time 00:24:534 -
[Insane]
00:47:262 - should be placed at: [191, 195] (currently at: [192, 192]) to blanket slider body at time 00:47:845 -
01:19:155 - should be placed at: [365, 190] (currently at: [360, 192]) to blanket slider body at time 01:19:738 -
02:01:969 - should be placed at: [339, 107] (currently at: [336, 104]) to blanket slider body at time 02:02:260 -
02:08:522 - should be placed at: [216, 122] (currently at: [220, 124]) to blanket slider body at time 02:08:668 -
[Normal]
Nothing Detected!
[Redemption]
01:44:348 - should be placed at: [399, 255] (currently at: [400, 256]) to move in line with slider at time 01:44:786 -
01:52:504 - should be placed at: [193, 139] (currently at: [194, 138]) to move in line with slider at time 01:52:940 -
[Starset's Extra]
02:08:669 - should be placed at: [65, 33] (currently at: [66, 32]) to move in line with slider at time 02:09:105 -
02:09:397 - should be placed at: [65, 33] (currently at: [66, 32]) to move in line with slider at time 02:09:105 -
02:09:979 - should be placed at: [326, 199] (currently at: [327, 200]) to move in line with slider at time 02:09:688 -
[Very Hard]
01:00:951 - should be placed at: [71, 239] (currently at: [72, 240]) to move in line with slider at time 01:01:241 -
[Victor's Hard]
00:09:734 - should be placed at: [439, 191] (currently at: [440, 192]) to move in line with slider at time 00:10:134 -
00:16:734 - should be placed at: [119, 215] (currently at: [120, 216]) to move in line with slider at time 00:16:934 -
01:21:339 - should be placed at: [232, 171] (currently at: [232, 168]) to blanket slider body at time 01:20:902 -
Stacked stuff will likely be off, so if those give wrong results, you can ignore those.
-Tochi
Elite Storyboarder
1,444 posts
Joined November 2013
-Tochi
mods

Djulus wrote:

tochi
00:49:591 (1,2) - overlap,that stack will be plays very weird imo if you did stack on like 01:10:417 (2,3) - It's 2 different sections, so it's fine imo
01:10:417 (2,3) - it would be better if you make better flow for this pattern I like the current flow more
01:39:397 (3) - this reverse follows "nothing" not instrumental not vocal, 1/1 slider better imo It's used to hold the vocal, seems rankable to be tbh
02:14:348 (1,3) - nc? ok

Namki wrote:

[-Tochi's Xtra]
  1. Just compare 00:51:630 - with 00:51:921 - , from my side they sounds pretty similar but spacing is very different, consider making it more consistent. Same sound, but different notes, it gets higher pitch = bigger spacing.
  2. 00:56:873 (7) - mhm, piano is something outstanding for this part so it would be logical to have this circle spaced more. Like, something of this kind https://namki.s-ul.eu/O4Fywng8.jpg . And NC to emphasize it even more. I think current placement is fine tbh
  3. 00:59:057 (7,1) - do you think that harsh broken flow is played in a good way after pretty dense 1/4 part? Try ctrl+H out. Maybe you like it more but it's discussable, though. I don't think, i know :p. I tested it before leaving it like this, and I liked it.
  4. 00:59:931 (3,5) - perfectl stack feels out of the context. Pretty inconsistent, you haven't done it before for this part so consider making it that way 00:53:087 (4,5,6) - fixed!
  5. 01:27:019 (7) - I don't really like smaller spacing here, it make little sense to me. Instrumentals are quite prominent. The spacing is big here though 01:26:727 (5,6) -
  6. It seems like some kind of idea if yours but I disagree with these stacks 01:52:504 (1,2) - and 02:01:824 (1,2) - it's the new measure and vocals are too way strong.я No need to change this concept imo

_Meep_ wrote:

00:32:134 (1,1,1,1) - rather than emphasising certain notes i think you should make all these have the same DS, since you're mapping to the piano which barely changes in intensity. Basically the piano gets more heavy, and the vocal gets lower, so making it certain by NCing seems fine to me
00:37:534 (5) - according to how you NCed different parts, i think this should be NCed too. Fixed!
really nice diff, like it. thanks!

Arphimigon wrote:

[-Tochi's Extra]
01:31:969 - should be placed at: [98, 233] (currently at: [99, 234]) to move in line with slider at time 01:32:115 - Stacking it normally seems better to me
02:10:999 - should be placed at: [134, 205] (currently at: [138, 208]) to blanket slider body at time 02:10:562 - Fixed!
Thanks for the mods everyone!

.osu update
osu file format v14

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Kaitjuh
856 posts
Joined December 2012
Kaitjuh
Mod 4 Ticket from queue

Redemption

  1. 00:14:934 (2) - would be nicer if you mapped this with a circle + 1/2 slider so both vocal syllables are clickable, kinda like 00:21:334 (1,2) -
  2. 00:34:134 (2,3,4) - imo theres no reason for sv to suddenly be this large, there are no discernible changes in the music to warrant double sv. I recommend keeping it at 0.5 or 0.75.
  3. 00:37:334 - Since you kinda map both the piano and vocal, you should probably map the loud piano sound here as well.
  4. 00:38:334 - ^less intense but significant enough
  5. 00:37:534 (4) - when playing with SV changes, use NC's to indicate changes in the sv to help with readability.
  6. You seem to skip the NC on the downbeat occasionally, but you still NC the downbeat properly in other places like 00:44:931 (1) - 00:47:844 (1) - . Stay consistent with this please and NC every big white tick.
  7. 00:59:349 (6,1) - quite an awkward angle to be playing that slider with. I would suggest placing it elsewhere since stacking on 00:59:349 (6) - doesnt do it much good atm.
  8. 01:09:543 (4,5) - stacks work better if they're mapped on less significant sounds in the music. You've done this properly in previous pattern, but here, one of the two is a vocal sound so that should deserve a bit of movement for emphasis. I recommend stacking (4) on (3) instead of (5) for this reason.
  9. 01:13:475 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this is kinda meh since it doesnt really represent the music/the part youre focusing a lot, and if you want to map the drums, the vocal is still just as strong as the times you chose to focus the vocals over drums, so that doesnt really make sense to me from a mapping perspective. I would recommend using sliders for the vocal sounds and circles for drums like you did in the other parts.
  10. 01:41:872 (5,6) - Ctrl+G the rhythm here, so the vocal lands on the sliderhead like the others.
  11. 01:51:338 - any reason why the sampleset is completely different in the kiai? The custom hitnormals suddenly disappeared which I noticed during my testplay.
  12. 01:57:892 (2,3) - Ctrl+G the rhythm for vocal priority
  13. 02:01:096 (3,4) - ^

-Tochi's Extra

  1. 00:05:334 (4) - the slight unstack is really minor here. I would suggest either fully stacking or moving it further, but since you mostly stacked fully this might have been a stacking error.
  2. 00:16:134 (1,1,1) - not a big fan of the NC spam here. Doesn't really indicate a change in music so its just kinda lol
  3. meh minor stuff, imo i dont really understand the rhythm choices a lot since to me, you dont seem to focus certain things in the music with your slider(head) usage xd

Starset's Extra

  1. 00:26:434 (8,1) - DS error?
  2. 00:52:504 (1) - move further away for emphasis of the cymbal?
  3. not much to point out
I'll poke you back soon, since I only modded three, you could look at the top three diffs of my map as well

Good luck o/
rew0825
1,290 posts
Joined March 2013
rew0825
Hello from my modding queue!

Nifty's Inner Oni
  1. 00:02:934 (5,6,7,8,9) - How about change this to d kdk d? for consistency with 00:09:334 (21,22,23,24,25) - part.
  2. 00:15:534 (40,41) - How about change to k? The sound is look high.
  3. 00:18:334 (48,49) - Ctrl+g? The sound on (48) look lower than (49).
  4. 00:23:734 (70,71,72,73) - How about change to dk dk? The sound on (70) is lower than (71). at (72,73) too.
  5. 00:37:934 (129) - How about change to k? The sound is look high.
  6. 01:45:950 (417,418,419,420,421,422) - How about change to kdddkd? I think it follow the sound is better.
  7. 01:51:046 (443,444,445) - How about change to dkD? The sound is different with 01:50:318 (440,441,442) - so I think should change the color of this.
  8. 01:54:833 (475,476,477,478,479,480) - How about change to ddkkd k? I think it's better play and flow.

Nifty's Oni
  1. 00:02:934 (5,6,7,8,9) - Same as Inner oni.
  2. 00:15:534 (39,40) - Same as Inner Oni.
  3. 00:18:334 (47,48) - Same as Inner Oni.
  4. 00:23:734 (68,69,70,71) - Same as Inner Oni.
  5. 00:51:339 (55) - Change to d? The sound is not high.
  6. 00:55:999 (85) - Same as above^.
  7. 00:58:329 (100,101,102,103) - How about change to ddd k? The steam is should start on 00:58:329 (100) - more than 00:58:475 (101) - I think.
  8. 01:46:241 (360,361,362) - How about change to d kd? I think it follow the sound is better.
  9. 01:51:046 (382,383,384) - Same as Inner Oni.

Nifty's Muzukashii
  1. 00:02:934 (4,5,6,7) - Same as Inner Oni.
  2. 00:16:334 (29) - Same as Inner Oni.
  3. 00:18:334 (36) - Same as Inner Oni.
  4. 00:25:334 (51) - Change to d? for gradually increase the sound on 00:25:334 (51,52,53) - part.
  5. 01:34:736 (235) - Change to d? I think the sound is not high.
  6. 01:51:046 (289,290,291) - Same as Inner Oni.
  7. 01:59:348 (331) - Change to d? I think on this is k too much ;w;.

Overall I think look smooth :3 That all from me, Good luck <3
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