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Axer

Nifty wrote:

hi I saw this map had angery people so I came

talked with axer about 1/6 usage and the ending streams and worked out some things, also changed hitsound volumes and some overlap issue.

lmao this irc was exactly an hour long
17:27 Nifty: I would do something like [https://puu.sh/yFf9S/3c591cb0d9.png this]
17:27 Nifty: 00:36:692 -
17:38 Axer: actually
17:38 Axer: that's a very nice suggestion
17:38 Nifty: ye highlights vocals and saves the 1/6 spam for the end
17:38 Axer: but wouldn't I have to need to make the rest of them different?
17:38 Nifty: nah make every one like that
17:39 Nifty: since they're all the same in the first place
17:39 Nifty: u could totally change it up a little though, like switch the order of the 1/6
17:39 Axer: I'll check if it sounds goo
17:39 Axer: good
17:39 Nifty: I just made it the most player friendly lmao
17:39 Nifty: im gonna leave sum notes
17:40 Nifty: map note 00:41:063 - here and make the following pattern (dkkkdkkkd) start 00:41:149 - here
17:40 Nifty: right now it's kkkdkkkdk and it's weird
17:41 Nifty: same 00:45:263 - here
17:41 Nifty: and 00:46:635 - here
17:42 Nifty: actually, you could keep the second part of these as dkkdk, but the beginning should be dkkkd
17:43 Axer: yeah
17:44 Nifty: 00:45:092 (179) - delete //stream emphasis
17:44 Nifty: would make 00:49:892 (227,228,229) - ddk for flow and snare on downbeat
17:45 Nifty: ye every note before the streams where u can delet like 00:51:949 (246) - could be ded gone
17:45 Axer: applying the 1/6x1/4 pattern you suggested
17:45 Nifty: oke ill give u a time lmao
17:46 Axer: haven't checked what * it is
17:46 Nifty: * doesn't matter smh
17:46 Axer: But I'm pretty scared
17:46 Axer: I know
17:46 Nifty: it's still gonna be over 7*
17:46 Axer: but if the * goes down way too much
17:46 Axer: It'll bring people to whine that they knew the kddk was bad
17:46 Nifty: I mean it was
17:46 Axer: because anyone with the editor at hand knows that this is just like 6.7* with the kddk
17:47 Nifty: the doubles are more pp heavy
17:47 Nifty: t b h
17:47 Axer: oh
17:47 Axer: uhm
17:47 Axer: I just got a mini heart attack.
17:47 Axer: give me a second.
17:47 Nifty: deleting all of the 1/6 and not replacing them makes it 7.6 lmao
17:48 Axer: 6.58*
17:48 Axer: the map
17:48 Axer: is now
17:48 Axer: 6.58*
17:48 Nifty: oh there's 4 lmao
17:49 Nifty: how?
17:49 Nifty: I just deleted all 4 and didn't replace them and it's 7.4
17:49 Axer: I don't know
17:49 Axer: but now this map is underweighted
17:49 Nifty: update it lemme see wtf you did
17:49 Axer: what the fuck is this map
17:49 Axer: Nonono
17:49 Axer: well
17:49 Axer: I added your pattern
17:50 Axer: replaced all the kddk ones
17:50 Axer: Ngl
17:50 Axer: That really felt like a kick in the heart
17:51 Nifty: I just did it and it's 7.5
17:51 Nifty: you must have done something else
17:51 Axer: specially that this pattern is even harder, now it's underweighted
17:51 Axer: uhm
17:51 Axer: there are more than 4 kddks
17:51 Axer: there are at the end of the kiais
17:51 Nifty: ???
17:51 Nifty: why lmao
17:51 Axer: of the first 2.
17:51 Nifty: damnit man
17:51 Axer: ok
17:51 Axer: now I can say it
17:51 Nifty: also 6.5 it's underweighted tbh
17:51 Axer: did you even check it?
17:51 Axer: it's
17:51 Nifty: yeah but scrolling through editor is work
17:51 Axer: a fucking mess
17:52 Axer: how the fuck is this 6.5*
17:52 Nifty: nah the patterns are pretty easy lmao
17:52 Axer: it should at least be 7.5*
17:52 Nifty: 175 isn't hard for 1/4 streams
17:52 Axer: it's ridicously underweighted now for it to have 1/6x1/4 patterns
17:52 Nifty: they're easy patterns
17:53 Axer: I really want this to be at least higher * than Midnaait's
17:54 Nifty: well cheese some other way lel
17:54 Nifty: let me see
17:54 Axer: gonna puta
17:54 Axer: put*
17:54 Axer: back the kddk for now
17:54 Axer: so I can update the other changes you suggested
17:54 Nifty: alright
17:54 Axer: should be 8.08
17:54 Axer: 8.07*
17:54 Axer: if not then this map is haunted
17:55 Axer: and I'm destined to never succeed
17:56 Axer: yeah, 8.07*
17:56 Nifty: ye jus sayin it won't be ranked if you keep that stuffs
17:56 Axer: I can't leave them blank
17:56 Nifty: so either get over the sr or try to love
17:56 Nifty: ya 2 options now lul
17:56 Axer: ok
17:57 Axer: so what's Midnaait's * rating
17:57 Nifty: 7.65
17:57 Axer: damn.
17:57 Nifty: you could do what he did but with different patterns
17:57 Axer: Ok
17:57 Nifty: (kkkd)d(kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkkkkd)
17:57 Axer: I have an idea.
17:58 Axer: (kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkd)d(kddk)dk
17:58 Axer: Wait
17:58 Axer: no fucking way
17:58 Axer: no Fucking way it was that fucking easy
17:58 Axer: I swear to god
17:58 Axer: give me a second
17:58 Nifty: how bout (kkkd)k(dddk)d(kddk)d(kddkddk)
17:59 Axer: let me check this first
17:59 Nifty: it kinda retains the kddk spam from earlier
17:59 Axer: I'm so fucking mad right now
17:59 Axer: OMG
17:59 Axer: I'M FUCKING DONE
17:59 Axer: I FUCKING QUIT THIS GAME
17:59 Nifty: hunh
17:59 Axer: I'm uploading this.
17:59 Nifty: oke
18:00 Axer: 7.93*
18:00 Axer: Holy fucking shit
18:00 Axer: Am I so fucking slow
18:00 Axer: How did I not try that before
18:00 Nifty: hunh
18:00 Axer: I place that pattern almost once in all of my Camellia maps.
18:00 Nifty: l u l
18:01 Nifty: good ye
18:01 Nifty: ok now delete 00:47:749 (199) - this
18:02 Nifty: it's the same as 00:42:263 -
18:02 Axer: oh thank
18:02 Nifty: I would put a k 00:54:092 - here cause noises
18:02 Axer: I FINALLY GOT RID OF THE KDDK
18:02 Nifty: yayy
18:03 Nifty: after this mod I would bother taiko for a recheck
18:03 Nifty: don't tell him I told u that tho
18:03 Nifty: unless he reads this irc
18:03 Axer: ye
18:03 Axer: we can erase this part :^)
18:03 Nifty: :^)
18:04 Axer: DIIOS
18:04 Axer: WIUTH DT
18:04 Axer: IS NOW 9.96*
18:04 Nifty: ew
18:04 Nifty: nobody is gonna dt this
18:04 Axer: ye
18:04 Axer: but before
18:04 Axer: it was 9.74 with dt
18:05 Nifty: oh
18:05 Nifty: see 1/6 1/4 spam is cool too
18:05 Axer: probably becfause it has more spaces now
18:05 Nifty: ye
18:05 Axer: I'm fucking don
18:05 Nifty: well im not xd
18:05 Axer: it only took me 4 months
18:06 Nifty: ok now add hitsound changes
18:06 Nifty: like at the beginning when it sounds like a shotgun compared to the music
18:06 Axer: wa
18:06 Axer: whaa
18:07 Axer: how do that
18:07 Nifty: u don't know how to change hitsound volumes?
18:07 Axer: Ohh
18:07 Nifty: ye
18:07 Axer: I thought I was supposed to literally hitsound that part
18:07 Axer: sure, where
18:07 Nifty: beginning
18:07 Nifty: and every other quiet part
18:08 Axer: like?
18:08 Nifty: make it like 70%
18:08 Nifty: and 01:01:892 -
18:08 Axer: yeah but what svs though
18:08 Nifty: just the one
18:09 Nifty: 00:11:235 - is fine being 100%, and u can gradually change it to there with that svage
18:09 Nifty: 01:56:406 - should be 70% as well
18:09 Nifty: 02:07:206 - 80%
18:09 Nifty: build that to 100% 02:17:492 - here
18:10 Nifty: I would make 03:07:549 - 80%
18:10 Nifty: then stay 80% until 03:39:777 -
18:11 Nifty: 05:02:749 - move the sv closest to here to this barline (cause kiais usually should be on barlines) and change to 80%
18:12 Nifty: and finally you can make it 100% again at 05:05:149 -
18:12 Nifty: (but I would make 05:07:035 - lower too cause it's disruptive, not really necessary but u kno)
18:13 Axer: actually
18:13 Axer: I will make it descend in volume there
18:14 Nifty: good idea
18:14 Nifty: u can update when you've done those
18:14 Axer: it ends after 6 ticks
18:14 Axer: it should decrease until it's 10% soo
18:14 Axer: maths
18:14 Nifty: maths
18:14 Nifty: quic
18:14 Axer: actually
18:14 Axer: it ends in 5 ticks
18:14 Axer: because the last one doesn't count
18:14 Axer: so it should descend by 20
18:15 Nifty: sure
18:15 Axer: and now I can make it even smoother by decreasing by 10%
18:15 Nifty: haha owah
18:15 Nifty: i love svs wooo
18:16 Axer: and on the last tick it'll be 5%
18:16 Axer: so for when people spam in the end of the kiai
18:16 Axer: alright
18:16 Axer: so I guess that's it?
18:17 Nifty: nope we're gonna fix the fucking ending
18:17 Axer: alright
18:17 Nifty: update for hitsounds?
18:17 Axer: Surono said he's fine with the ending already
18:17 Nifty: mmm well I wouldn't risk it with tako
18:17 Axer: so all we need is for Taikocracy and Fruko to like it
18:17 Nifty: he's quick to pull the pop
18:18 Axer: also
18:18 Axer: can we squeeze a note somewhere
18:18 Axer: so it's 2040 combo
18:18 Axer: owo
18:18 Nifty: nope
18:18 Nifty: >:)
18:18 Axer: :(
18:19 Nifty: it would be better for the ending stream
18:19 Nifty: starting at the first kiai
18:19 Axer: alñright
18:19 Nifty: delete 04:19:120 (121) - dis
18:19 Axer: gonn uptade
18:19 Nifty: and then repeat deleting every 4 bars
18:19 Nifty: it fits the phrases
18:19 Nifty: and no 10 second streams :D
18:19 Axer: updated
18:20 Nifty: you only need to do that 3 times
18:20 Axer: ok mark me every note
18:20 Nifty: 04:21:863 -
18:20 Axer: so I don't fuck up
18:20 Nifty: 04:24:606 -
18:21 Nifty: make 05:02:749 - not kiai sv and add the second kiai back xd
18:21 Axer: wha
18:22 Nifty: you removed the second kiai at the end when u updated lmao
18:22 Axer: wAIT WHAT THE FUCK
18:22 Nifty: lololol
18:22 Axer: I DUN GOOFEDC
18:22 Axer: ok
18:22 Axer: so that's it?
18:22 Axer: no more?
18:22 Nifty: nop
18:22 Nifty: a little more
18:22 Nifty: some notes in the second hald of the first kiai at the end (????)
18:23 Nifty: 04:30:092 (240) - delet, we're gonna make these phrases the same rhythm
18:23 Axer: didn't I cut the 2nd kiai streams too much?
18:23 Nifty: 04:32:835 (272) - d
18:23 Axer: actually
18:23 Nifty: d meaning delete
18:23 Axer: done
18:23 Nifty: that's the only note lel
18:23 Axer: no more?
18:24 Nifty: second kiai streams are fine
18:24 Axer: IS IT OVER YET?
18:24 Nifty: update
18:24 Axer: 2034
18:24 Axer: I like this combo number
18:24 Nifty: good
18:25 Axer: alright
18:25 Axer: Updated
18:25 Nifty: i like how the sr didn't go down at all
18:25 Nifty: but it's a lot easier
18:25 Axer: yeah
18:26 Nifty: lemme check agin
18:28 Axer: post the mod and bla bla
18:29 Nifty: nop not done
18:29 Axer: noice
18:29 Nifty: 01:56:406 - make this sv higher than the stream
18:29 Nifty: like 1.3
18:29 Axer: if the combo ends in 0 I'll be happy x10
18:29 Nifty: it's overlapping
18:29 Axer: I'd have to add another sv later though
18:30 Nifty: you can slow down like 01:57:606 - 1.2 etc
18:30 Nifty: and then down to 1.0 02:00:349 - here
18:31 Nifty: tell me when ya updoot
18:31 Axer: updooting
18:33 Axer: yodiited
18:33 Axer: updooted
18:33 Nifty: and to get it to 2030, delete 01:50:920 (650) - 01:52:292 (664) - 01:53:577 (678) - and make 02:47:320 - a 1/4
18:33 Nifty: the notes aren't needed there and the 1/6 is extra
18:34 Axer: I think I'll leave it like that
18:34 Axer: it feels too empty
18:34 Nifty: oke lets find 4 other notes
18:36 Nifty: jk i can't 4 notes to delete
18:36 Axer: it's fine
18:36 Nifty: now we're cool
18:37 Nifty: how do u save chat logs
18:37 Axer: sa
18:37 Axer: uhh
18:37 Nifty: something like
good goi
BabySnakes
To be honest, I think the 1/6 kddkddkddkddkddkddk streams are unfun and don't blend well into the rest of the map. Maybe change the patterns a little bit? It is only 263 bpm if it was 1/4 so you shouldnt hold back on those. It's an 8* map afterall.
Topic Starter
Axer
this system breaks my fucking heart.
Backfire
*blows axer some kisses*
DeletedUser_1981781
mod
delete map
(no kudos pls)
Topic Starter
Axer

ARGENTINE DREAM wrote:

mod
delete map no
(no kudos pls)
Thank for mod
DeletedUser_6637817
Promised a mod so here i am!

[World Tour]

How come 02:45:606 - this is not a kiai? :o Its one of the main parts that gets repeated later in the last kiai time and after having all that buildup beforehand (C-show, C-show etc.) it feels kind of anticlimactic to not have it as a kiai time

Something regarding the last kiais structure i noticed was:
04:40:806 - this kiai time Replays the previous 3 choruses in snippets. It would only make sense to reintroduce the patterns that have been used for these kiais already, with a little room for variation/progression.

For example, you brought back the camellia-kiai pattern 04:43:892 (51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - here and from then on.

Though i dont understand why The Genki-Snippets (at 04:41:149 (23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) - etc.)have been altered so much for this kiai that it doesnt resemble the patterns from the kiai, which imo is a pretty missed opportunity to increase this maps structure.
I advise you to change these patterns so they bear atleast some resemblance to the genki-kiai ones.

04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) - I can hear the synth playing stutteringly here, giving a less fluid feel to those individual sounds at 04:23:235 - and 04:23:492 -; I suggest you remove 04:23:063 (162,165,168) - to emphasize this stuttering by adding 1/1 breaks, while taking no emphasis away.
Similar would apply to 04:34:035 (272,273,274,275,276,277) -;

The map is fine imo, although i am not fond of the design decisions here. They are valid to be used, but not a necessity to use at this scale (See the previous drama with the 1/6 spam)

Good luck i guess
Topic Starter
Axer

Nepuri wrote:

Promised a mod so here i am!

[World Tour]

How come 02:45:606 - this is not a kiai? :o Its one of the main parts that gets repeated later in the last kiai time and after having all that buildup beforehand (C-show, C-show etc.) it feels kind of anticlimactic to not have it as a kiai time Removed kiai there in a past mod but now that I think about it, it should be a kiai because it does indeed feel anticlimactic and although it's not as intense as the others it's still part of the collab.

Something regarding the last kiais structure i noticed was:
04:40:806 - this kiai time Replays the previous 3 choruses in snippets. It would only make sense to reintroduce the patterns that have been used for these kiais already, with a little room for variation/progression. I think the patterns are fine like they are already, I'm not aiming for structure as much as I'm aiming for fun mapping.

For example, you brought back the camellia-kiai pattern 04:43:892 (51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - here and from then on. Yeah but I don't think I can bring any other patterns into the streams, even if they're not so variated I find them to be alright.

Though i dont understand why The Genki-Snippets (at 04:41:149 (23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) - etc.)have been altered so much for this kiai that it doesnt resemble the patterns from the kiai, which imo is a pretty missed opportunity to increase this maps structure.
I advise you to change these patterns so they bear atleast some resemblance to the genki-kiai ones. It's trying to reflect multiple sounds at the same time, it's not easy to make changes because I want to stay as true to the rhythm as possible.

04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) - I can hear the synth playing stutteringly here, giving a less fluid feel to those individual sounds at 04:23:235 - and 04:23:492 -; I suggest you remove 04:23:063 (162,165,168) - to emphasize this stuttering by adding 1/1 breaks, while taking no emphasis away.
Similar would apply to 04:34:035 (272,273,274,275,276,277) -; I'll be honest here, I can't comprehend most of this mod because it doesn't suggest my any (new) patterns, it mostly suggests more structure which I'm still not experienced about, so saying things about structure is the equal of talking to me about something I don't know anything about, I just can't understand :?

The map is fine imo, although i am not fond of the design decisions here. They are valid to be used, but not a necessity to use at this scale (See the previous drama with the 1/6 spam)

Good luck i guess
thank uwu
I really don't know which parts of the song are made by who so it made it harder to understand the structure suggestions, I enjoy the song a lot but I haven't been very thoughtful about who did what part, sorry about that, either way, thanks for the mod :)
DeletedUser_6637817
Ok i think i should be clearer and straight forward; Let me rephrase!

I think 02:45:606 - should be a kiai for following reasons:

There is a buildup, identical to the other kiais;
It is too anticlimactic otherwise;
It gets repeated in the last kiai just like the other kiais.


I believe you can improve these little patterns: 04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) -

They sound different from the sounds that surround them. They sound stutter-esque.
Im reasoning that if you have different sounds in the music, there should be different patterns in the map aswell.
This is a chance you can do that so you emphasize this.
The way i suggest to emphasize the stutter character is to delete 04:23:063 (162,165,168) -;
This will result in doublets, which sound more similar to a stutter than a stream does.
Ergo, if you apply my suggestion you emphasize the stutter in addition to the synth.

I hope im as clear as i can with what i wanted to say >w<
Also i hope this doesnt sound too offensive, sorry if it did uwu

NO KDs
Topic Starter
Axer

Nepuri wrote:

Ok i think i should be clearer and straight forward; Let me rephrase! Thank

I think 02:45:606 - should be a kiai for following reasons:

There is a buildup, identical to the other kiais;
It is too anticlimactic otherwise;
It gets repeated in the last kiai just like the other kiais. Will change to kiai


I believe you can improve these little patterns: 04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) -

They sound different from the sounds that surround them. They sound stutter-esque.
Im reasoning that if you have different sounds in the music, there should be different patterns in the map aswell.
This is a chance you can do that so you emphasize this.
The way i suggest to emphasize the stutter character is to delete 04:23:063 (162,165,168) -;
This will result in doublets, which sound more similar to a stutter than a stream does.
Ergo, if you apply my suggestion you emphasize the stutter in additon to the synth. I'll apply your suggestion of improving these by giving them less kddk and more kdkk and kkdk

I hope im as clear as i can with what i wanted to say >w<
Also i hope this doesnt sound too offensive, sorry if it did uwu Nah you didn't sound offensive at all, mod is fine uwu

NO KDs
thank for mod :)
Zetera
Hello, I'm here for a m4m.

[General]

Please, get those (kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkd)d out of here. You have better options that don't involve that pattern, not even necessarily 1/6!
These 1/8 doubles are also redundant!
I think it's important that you have different finisher patterns for each artist + the kasai part at the end. So far, you're using K D D for genki, K K K for Camellia, K K K for C-Show and K D D for Kasai. While this is a consistent pattern, I'd suggest you use D D K | K D K | K K D | K K K in this order.
[World Tour]

00:17:320 (84) - Please remove this circle to get the maximum emphasis out of the prior finisher.

Let's talk 1/6 in streams. The fact that you use the common 1/6 pattern used in the majority of pp maps, makes me think you based this map's entire existance on the premise that it will be worth pp. Does it really have to be this way? If you think that I might be right, I'd like to offer you some examples for streams that could very easily substitute the 1/6 pattern you got from other pp maps:

00:36:692 - : kkddkkddkkkkkkkkk, uses your current SV setup, also used at 01:00:006 - .
01:31:549 - : dkkkdkkkdkkkkkkkd, uses your current SV setup
01:54:863 - : D kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, increase SV by 0.01, 0.02 or 0.03 per circle.
02:42:863 - : kkdkddkdkkdkddkd, uses your current SV setup, you can keep your setup for the end of the kiai

And finally, for the last kiai, I think you can keep the streams the way they are right now. It's supposed to be the most intense part of the map, and the 1/6 accomplish that here. As for the other bits, they use different setups for each artist's part, similar to the finisher setup. Like this, your mapp will still be entertaining, even though it won't be worth as much.

I hope that was understandable and helpful at least. If you have any questions, please let me know!

Good luck.
Topic Starter
Axer

Zetera wrote:

Hello, I'm here for a m4m.

[General]

Please, get those (kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkd)d out of here. You have better options that don't involve that pattern, not even necessarily 1/6!
These 1/8 doubles are also redundant!
I think it's important that you have different finisher patterns for each artist + the kasai part at the end. So far, you're using K D D for genki, K K K for Camellia, K K K for C-Show and K D D for Kasai. While this is a consistent pattern, I'd suggest you use D D K | K D K | K K D | K K K in this order.
[World Tour]

00:17:320 (84) - Please remove this circle to get the maximum emphasis out of the prior finisher. Consider it done uwu

Let's talk 1/6 in streams. The fact that you use the common 1/6 pattern used in the majority of pp maps, makes me think you based this map's entire existance on the premise that it will be worth pp. Does it really have to be this way? If you think that I might be right, I'd like to offer you some examples for streams that could very easily substitute the 1/6 pattern you got from other pp maps: Nope because what I said in our chat ;w;

00:36:692 - : kkddkkddkkkkkkkkk, uses your current SV setup, also used at 01:00:006 - . ^
01:31:549 - : dkkkdkkkdkkkkkkkd, uses your current SV setup ^
01:54:863 - : D kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, increase SV by 0.01, 0.02 or 0.03 per circle. ^
02:42:863 - : kkdkddkdkkdkddkd, uses your current SV setup, you can keep your setup for the end of the kiai ^

And finally, for the last kiai, I think you can keep the streams the way they are right now. It's supposed to be the most intense part of the map, and the 1/6 accomplish that here. As for the other bits, they use different setups for each artist's part, similar to the finisher setup. Like this, your mapp will still be entertaining, even though it won't be worth as much. I see

I hope that was understandable and helpful at least. If you have any questions, please let me know! Thanks for the mod!

Good luck.
Thank for mod!!
Avratzzz
Thank you for the DL link of the original World Tour who was much better in my opinion
Topic Starter
Axer

Savoiyare wrote:

Thank you for the DL link of the original World Tour who was much better in my opinion
No Problem!
DeletedUser_1981781
Fist of all I'm going to say that I agree with almost every mod you received on this beatmap, and I think the new version is looking a lot better, the old one was fun and all but it lacked the quality standards and seemed rather "lazy" because you focused way too much on a constant flow pacing, as you let your feelings as a player surpass your feelings as a mapper, which made your map not suitable for rank.
Do not be discouraged because this doesn't mean it wasn't a good map, because ranked not necessarily means good, and vice-versa.
I'll be adressing mostly NON-SUBJECTIVE fundamental rhythm concerns


Notes you placed where there's no sound to justify them (I would delete ALL these):


00:12:349 -
00:15:092 -
00:17:835 -
00:39:606 -
00:43:635 -
00:50:577 -
00:54:606 -
01:34:463 -
01:35:835 -
01:39:606 -
01:41:320 -
stream part:
04:19:635 -
04:20:320 -
04:22:377 -
04:25:120 -
04:25:806 -
04:30:606 -
04:31:292 -
04:31:977 -
04:33:349 -
ending part:
04:43:977 -
04:45:349 -
04:46:720 -
04:48:092 -
04:49:635 -
04:49:806 -
04:49:977 -
04:54:949 -
04:56:320 -



Notes lacking where there are noticeable sounds (I would add all of these):

00:41:063 -
00:46:549 -
00:53:406 -
00:54:092 -
01:45:177 -
02:33:949 - No reason not to map this drum fill if you already did it the two first stances of the song
04:07:206 - same as above^
stream part:
04:18:949 -
04:21:692 -
04:24:435 -
04:26:835 -
04:27:006 -
04:27:692 -
04:28:377 -
04:29:920 -
04:32:663 -
04:35:235 -


Other stuff:

02:27:777 - You should make this into a spinner to be consistent with the first part

02:47:320 - move this dddk half beat backwards (to 02:47:149 -)
02:51:435 - same^
02:52:806 - same^
02:56:920 - move this dddk half beat forward (to 02:57:092 - ) and then put (02:56:749 - d) and (02:56:920 - k)
02:58:292 - move this dddk half beat backwads and then place a k here (02:58:463 - k)
03:01:720 - I know you wanted to map the stab sound here but it doesn't feel really good since it has a fade in effect, consider deleting this note.
03:02:406 - move this dddk half beat backwards
03:03:777 - same as above
All these "move dddk" where thought on moving the pattern to a place it can be justified instead being a "regular made up beat overmap", what I'm trying to take advantage of, is the synth growl sound.


Let's stick to the same sound same note and pitch principles here:

03:18:863 - change to k
03:20:235 - change to k
03:21:263 - change to d
03:21:949 - change to d
03:22:977 - change to k
03:24:349 - change to k
03:29:835 - change to k
03:32:235 - change to d
03:32:920 - change to d
03:33:949 - change to k

SV changes: Make these more noticeable please!

00:50:749 -
01:44:063 -

Note that Star Rating is not compromised in this mod, if you applied all changes it would still be 7.9~8*

Take care, and good luck with rank this time :)
Topic Starter
Axer

ARGENTINE DREAM wrote:

Fist of all I'm going to say that I agree with almost every mod you received on this beatmap, and I think the new version is looking a lot better, the old one was fun and all but it lacked the quality standards and seemed rather "lazy" because you focused way too much on a constant flow pacing, as you let your feelings as a player surpass your feelings as a mapper, which made your map not suitable for rank.
Do not be discouraged because this doesn't mean it wasn't a good map, because ranked not necessarily means good, and vice-versa.
I'll be adressing mostly NON-SUBJECTIVE fundamental rhythm concerns


Notes you placed where there's no sound to justify them (I would delete ALL these):


00:12:349 -
00:15:092 -
00:17:835 -
00:39:606 -
00:43:635 -
00:50:577 -
00:54:606 -
01:34:463 -
01:35:835 -
01:39:606 -
01:41:320 -
stream part:
04:19:635 -
04:20:320 -
04:22:377 -
04:25:120 -
04:25:806 -
04:30:606 -
04:31:292 -
04:31:977 -
04:33:349 -
ending part:
04:43:977 -
04:45:349 -
04:46:720 -
04:48:092 -
04:49:635 -
04:49:806 -
04:49:977 -
04:54:949 -
04:56:320 -



Notes lacking where there are noticeable sounds (I would add all of these):

00:41:063 -
00:46:549 -
00:53:406 -
00:54:092 -
01:45:177 -
02:33:949 - No reason not to map this drum fill if you already did it the two first stances of the song
04:07:206 - same as above^
stream part:
04:18:949 -
04:21:692 -
04:24:435 -
04:26:835 -
04:27:006 -
04:27:692 -
04:28:377 -
04:29:920 -
04:32:663 -
04:35:235 -


Other stuff:

02:27:777 - You should make this into a spinner to be consistent with the first part

02:47:320 - move this dddk half beat backwards (to 02:47:149 -)
02:51:435 - same^
02:52:806 - same^
02:56:920 - move this dddk half beat forward (to 02:57:092 - ) and then put (02:56:749 - d) and (02:56:920 - k)
02:58:292 - move this dddk half beat backwads and then place a k here (02:58:463 - k)
03:01:720 - I know you wanted to map the stab sound here but it doesn't feel really good since it has a fade in effect, consider deleting this note.
03:02:406 - move this dddk half beat backwards
03:03:777 - same as above
All these "move dddk" where thought on moving the pattern to a place it can be justified instead being a "regular made up beat overmap", what I'm trying to take advantage of, is the synth growl sound.


Let's stick to the same sound same note and pitch principles here:

03:18:863 - change to k
03:20:235 - change to k
03:21:263 - change to d
03:21:949 - change to d
03:22:977 - change to k
03:24:349 - change to k
03:29:835 - change to k
03:32:235 - change to d
03:32:920 - change to d
03:33:949 - change to k

SV changes: Make these more noticeable please!

00:50:749 -
01:44:063 -

Note that Star Rating is not compromised in this mod, if you applied all changes it would still be 7.9~8*

Take care, and good luck with rank this time :)
ok
Topic Starter
Axer
zzz
Topic Starter
Axer
Still waiting
Vulkin
I GOT MORE KUDOSU HERE YOU GO

YOU BETTER RANK THIS MATE

Edit: t/432695/start=0 is catching up
Topic Starter
Axer

Vulkin wrote:

I GOT MORE KUDOSU HERE YOU GO

YOU BETTER RANK THIS MATE

Edit: t/432695/start=0 is catching up
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Vulkin
ya forgot to edit the map desc just sayin'
Topic Starter
Axer

Vulkin wrote:

ya forgot to edit the map desc just sayin'
FIXED
Topic Starter
Axer
Bubble for christmas plz
Raytoly
overall map :
1.The density is high at some point. feel strange
2.but some point can add more note like here 00:43:635 (158) - 00:43:635 (158) -
3.it's not problem but some note is not match with merody or vocal
4.The stream does not start at some point.
5.The format looks unstable.
but don't worry it's still rankeble...or not?
whosthebox
sale ese mod porque puedo, te tiro unos cuantos kudos tambien

00:09:777 (41,42) - sale un CTRL+G ahi? mas que nada para diferenciar 00:09:949 (42,43) - esas dos notas, el pitch es mucho mas alto en 00:10:292 (43) - esta, ademas, me parece que 00:09:777 (41) - el pitch de esa es mas alto que 00:09:949 (42) - la de esta.
00:32:492 - ahi escucho un beat, mepa que podrias poner una d ahi.
00:39:092 (108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115) - eso creo que quedaria mejor como k k k k dddk
00:41:063 - mandale una k ahi? ese beat es clarisimo.
00:42:777 (148,149) - CTRL+G en esas dos, sigue mejor esa parte, es mas consistente con lo que mapeaste en general en ese stream y ademas se juega mucho mejor.
00:46:549 - lo mismo aca, hay un beat muy audible. Te recomendaria hacer igual que en el stream anterior, poner 00:46:463 (188) - esta como k y añadir una k tambien, para ser consistente.
00:48:263 (207,208) - CTRL+G ahi tambien, same shit, consistencybois.
de 00:56:063 - aca hasta 00:58:463 - aca, hay MUCHOS beats que no mapeaste. Entiendo que no queres hacer TOOODO un solo stream hasta 01:01:377 - aca, pero podrias agregar mas notas en esa parte, hacer algunos streams de 5, 7, 9 notas.
01:05:835 (354) - esa es k, el cambio de pitch se empieza a hacer fuerte 01:06:006 - aca.
01:08:577 (363) - same as above.
01:12:349 (384,385,386) - por que hitsoundeaste esas tres notas al reves? venias hitsoundeando los mismos sonidos al reves antes, y despues de esa parte los hitsoundeas como venias haciendolo antes.
01:16:977 (401,402) - CTRL+G, el pitch es mas alto en 01:17:149 (402) - esa.
01:39:092 (546) - esa de ahi estoy bastante seguro que es una K.
01:39:263 (547,548) - considerando lo que mapeaste 01:38:577 (540,541,542,543,544,545) - ahi, esas dos deberian ser d.
02:04:977 (17,18) - CTRL+G a esas dos, ya lo mencione varias veces antes.
02:05:492 (19,20) - a esas dos mandales CTRL+G tambien, siguen mejor el pitch.
02:12:520 (50) - me parece que esa va mejor como d, para acentuar 02:12:692 (51) - esa nota.
02:27:777 - por que no pusiste un spinner ahi? lo hiciste 00:21:606 (1) - aca y lo hiciste 04:01:035 (1) - aca tambien, siendo todos esos sonidos lo mismo.
02:45:263 (233,234,235,236) - eso de ahi me parece que suena mejor como kk d k.
02:55:721 (323,324,325,326) - CTRL+G ahi? sigue mejor el pitch.
03:06:692 (410,411,412,413) - proba con kk d d.
03:07:206 (414) - si aplicas el cambio de arriba, para diferenciar con las notas anteriores y para acentuar esa nota tambien, te recomendaria que la hagas una k.
04:10:120 (35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43) - este stream deberia terminar 04:10:635 (41) - aca, 04:10:720 (42) - esa nota no tiene beat en la cual estar mapeada. Te recomendaria que la saques a esa y que hagas 04:10:635 (41) - esta nota una k.

Y listo, hay algunos hitsounds aparte que yo le cambiaria, pero eso es mapper's choice, el mapa en si esta bastante bueno, lo unico que me molesta es que ya no esten los 1/6 largos, pero bueno, la gente prefiere pp antes que true song mapping. Esto esta muy lindo man, mandale que esto entra a rank very soon.
Topic Starter
Axer

Cocoaaa wrote:

overall map :
1.The density is high at some point. feel strange
2.but some point can add more note like here 00:43:635 (158) - 00:43:635 (158) -
3.it's not problem but some note is not match with merody or vocal
4.The stream does not start at some point.
5.The format looks unstable.
but don't worry it's still rankeble...or not?

ok thx
Topic Starter
Axer

whosthebox wrote:

sale ese mod porque puedo, te tiro unos cuantos kudos tambien

00:09:777 (41,42) - sale un CTRL+G ahi? mas que nada para diferenciar 00:09:949 (42,43) - esas dos notas, el pitch es mucho mas alto en 00:10:292 (43) - esta, ademas, me parece que 00:09:777 (41) - el pitch de esa es mas alto que 00:09:949 (42) - la de esta. aplicado ><
00:32:492 - ahi escucho un beat, mepa que podrias poner una d ahi. aplicado ><
00:39:092 (108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115) - eso creo que quedaria mejor como k k k k dddk aplicado ><
00:41:063 - mandale una k ahi? ese beat es clarisimo. aplicado ><
00:42:777 (148,149) - CTRL+G en esas dos, sigue mejor esa parte, es mas consistente con lo que mapeaste en general en ese stream y ademas se juega mucho mejor. aplicado ><
00:46:549 - lo mismo aca, hay un beat muy audible. Te recomendaria hacer igual que en el stream anterior, poner 00:46:463 (188) - esta como k y añadir una k tambien, para ser consistente. aplicado ><
00:48:263 (207,208) - CTRL+G ahi tambien, same shit, consistencybois. aplicado ><
de 00:56:063 - aca hasta 00:58:463 - aca, hay MUCHOS beats que no mapeaste. Entiendo que no queres hacer TOOODO un solo stream hasta 01:01:377 - aca, pero podrias agregar mas notas en esa parte, hacer algunos streams de 5, 7, 9 notas. aplicado ><
01:05:835 (354) - esa es k, el cambio de pitch se empieza a hacer fuerte 01:06:006 - aca. aplicado ><
01:08:577 (363) - same as above. aplicado ><
01:12:349 (384,385,386) - por que hitsoundeaste esas tres notas al reves? venias hitsoundeando los mismos sonidos al reves antes, y despues de esa parte los hitsoundeas como venias haciendolo antes. Fixee toda esa sección
01:16:977 (401,402) - CTRL+G, el pitch es mas alto en 01:17:149 (402) - esa. aplicado ><
01:39:092 (546) - esa de ahi estoy bastante seguro que es una K. aplicado ><
01:39:263 (547,548) - considerando lo que mapeaste 01:38:577 (540,541,542,543,544,545) - ahi, esas dos deberian ser d. aplicado ><
02:04:977 (17,18) - CTRL+G a esas dos, ya lo mencione varias veces antes. aplicado ><
02:05:492 (19,20) - a esas dos mandales CTRL+G tambien, siguen mejor el pitch. aplicado ><
02:12:520 (50) - me parece que esa va mejor como d, para acentuar 02:12:692 (51) - esa nota. aplicado ><
02:27:777 - por que no pusiste un spinner ahi? lo hiciste 00:21:606 (1) - aca y lo hiciste 04:01:035 (1) - aca tambien, siendo todos esos sonidos lo mismo. LA PUTA QUE ME PARIO SOY RE PELOTUDO
02:45:263 (233,234,235,236) - eso de ahi me parece que suena mejor como kk d k. aplicado ><
02:55:721 (323,324,325,326) - CTRL+G ahi? sigue mejor el pitch. aplicado ><
03:06:692 (410,411,412,413) - proba con kk d d. aplicado ><
03:07:206 (414) - si aplicas el cambio de arriba, para diferenciar con las notas anteriores y para acentuar esa nota tambien, te recomendaria que la hagas una k. aplicado ><
04:10:120 (35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43) - este stream deberia terminar 04:10:635 (41) - aca, 04:10:720 (42) - esa nota no tiene beat en la cual estar mapeada. Te recomendaria que la saques a esa y que hagas 04:10:635 (41) - esta nota una k. aplicado ><

Y listo, hay algunos hitsounds aparte que yo le cambiaria, pero eso es mapper's choice, el mapa en si esta bastante bueno, lo unico que me molesta es que ya no esten los 1/6 largos, pero bueno, la gente prefiere pp antes que true song mapping. Esto esta muy lindo man, mandale que esto entra a rank very soon. aplicado VERY SOON AMIGO ><
te odio, siempre te aplico todo. 1000 kds para este men pls.
Lumenite-
i like reading all these spanish posts because it really emphasizes how much spanish i actually know lol
Topic Starter
Axer

incandescence wrote:

i like reading all these spanish posts because it really emphasizes how much spanish i actually know lol
go away
Shinsekai-

Axer wrote:

incandescence wrote:

i like reading all these spanish posts because it really emphasizes how much spanish i actually know lol
go away
TBH I agree if you are here to comment things like that... Well you should stop writing here tho... =/ that's kinda Immature coming form your part Cracy
-Kazu-
?????
chill a bit guys I understand you guys can get your hopes too high when you see a BN response on a thread but that doesn't mean he can't say something offtopic xd basically half this thread is offtopic/ kudosu hyping anyways
Topic Starter
Axer

-Kazu- wrote:

?????
chill a bit guys I understand you guys can get your hopes too high when you see a BN response on a thread but that doesn't mean he can't say something offtopic xd basically half this thread is offtopic/ kudosu hyping anyways
it wasn't mean to be rude at first but the "go away" fallout 4 video didn't work :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ6SvS-iW30
Topic Starter
Axer
no bn zone
-Kazu-
ur rood go away
Topic Starter
Axer

-Kazu- wrote:

ur rood go away
I can't go away from my thread dumbooo
no bullyyyy
Yuzeyun
im gonna get thrown out of top 200 with this map
Topic Starter
Axer

Gezoda wrote:

im gonna get thrown out of top 200 with this map
don't worry, it seems it's not going to get ranked anytime soon.
DeletedUser_1981781

Axer wrote:

Gezoda wrote:

im gonna get thrown out of top 200 with this map
don't worry, it seems it's not going to get ranked anytime soon.
Or is it?... WTF was that last update? :o

Nifty
hmm, I'm back

00:15:092 - no note here, but there's one 00:12:349 - here. Make these spaces identical.
00:43:635 - delete note, nothing here.
01:16:292 (406,407) - ctrl-g, should be the repetition of the two d k before this.
01:44:063 - Completely useless sv, hardly noticeable, just make it drop to 1.0x here and then climb to 1.25x or something interesting.
02:51:349 - noticeable drum is noticeable, would put a d here.
03:07:720 (1) - this isn't an issue but why is this a finisher lmao.
04:00:692 (222) - this ain't a finisher, has no more emphasis than 04:00:349 - .

gl
Topic Starter
Axer

Nifty wrote:

hmm, I'm back

00:15:092 - no note here, but there's one 00:12:349 - here. Make these spaces identical.
00:43:635 - delete note, nothing here.
01:16:292 (406,407) - ctrl-g, should be the repetition of the two d k before this.
01:44:063 - Completely useless sv, hardly noticeable, just make it drop to 1.0x here and then climb to 1.25x or something interesting.
02:51:349 - noticeable drum is noticeable, would put a d here.
03:07:720 (1) - this isn't an issue but why is this a finisher lmao.
04:00:692 (222) - this ain't a finisher, has no more emphasis than 04:00:349 - .

gl
Applied everything, thanks for mod.
Also the spinner is finisher because I dunno, I made it finisher one time and never changed it.
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