I'm ded You're right there X_XTaikocracy wrote:
okay but that goes for any spinner in any map, so that's kind of invalid in itself lol. there are more technical maps than this also without the 1/6 spam, so the same can be achieved with some alternatives
eh ok we'll see about that
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I completely agree with Taikocracys stance on this, especially the longer kiai streams.
By mapping it as a solid stream for good 20 seconds or so, you lose opportunity to emphasize strong sounds per a 1/2 break.
Limiting yourself to a solid stream though limits your options to emphasize such things. It is not only an alternative, but a very viable one.
By mapping it as a solid stream for good 20 seconds or so, you lose opportunity to emphasize strong sounds per a 1/2 break.
Limiting yourself to a solid stream though limits your options to emphasize such things. It is not only an alternative, but a very viable one.
Topic Starter
I don't have any problem swapping the kddk streams for 1/6 x 1/4 because believe it or not the only part I really care the most about are the last two streams...
I'll make a response to everything when I have time, for now, that's all I can say.
I'll be honest here, I left a NERFED version of my map (Applied all of Taikocracy's suggestions) in the bottom of the map's description, it's still pretty high in * (7.84* iirc), I removed kddk 1/6 and replaced it with some 1/6x1/4 patterns to "reflect better". I cut the entire end streams and now they should follow some rhythm, I made it in like 15 minutes so it might be poorly edited but at least it's something, so... enjoy it...
Meh I'm gonna reply anyways
Taikocracy
Shinsekai-
Axer
Nifty is the best mapper to ever exist; he creates masterpieces. Anyone that thinks otherwise is an uneducated fool!
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I hope my replies were decent to a certain extent, I'm not really used to arguing about mapping as I'm not the most experienced mapper ever nor the best at arguing about stuff.
Anyways, plz enjoy game.
I'll make a response to everything when I have time, for now, that's all I can say.
I'll be honest here, I left a NERFED version of my map (Applied all of Taikocracy's suggestions) in the bottom of the map's description, it's still pretty high in * (7.84* iirc), I removed kddk 1/6 and replaced it with some 1/6x1/4 patterns to "reflect better". I cut the entire end streams and now they should follow some rhythm, I made it in like 15 minutes so it might be poorly edited but at least it's something, so... enjoy it...
Meh I'm gonna reply anyways
frukoyurdakul
Hm.frukoyurdakul wrote:
More opinions were asked so here I am.
About the 1/6 streams: Those buzzing sounds don't actually support it. From what I've seen the main usage is 1/4 1/6 on these occasions.
1/6 kddk is way more viable and playable than 1/8¹ which is the snapping I should use if I were mapping exactly to the song, I don't really like how 1/6 x 1/4 looks on these patterns either because it practically removes all of the intensity I had for them as they were hard to an extent (kddk 1/6).
And, repetitive kddkddk on every stream lacks for variation, and to be honest that is the pp pattern there.
Then if you can, suggest me any good 100% 1/6 patterns that aren't kddk that could be playable if they were in a huge 3 second 175bpm stream made out of only 1/6 patterns, suggestions are always welcome!
I can tell they are specifically put to increase the star rating, because any other variation lowers the SR down and they can be used.
wow, removing chunks of map decreases star rating?
Seriously now, I don't like when people say that I blatantly abused the system, I never put them specifically to increase star rating, if I did I would've used 1/6 all over the map, if you had a slight bit of reason maybe you could realize that I put them in the drops, so where they SHOULD BE not because "oh oh high star rating pp map oowowo more kddk".
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against 1/6 streams or anything since I mapped one, or I don't look the mapping meta or something.
I'm sure you mapped 1/6 streams on a different genre of music and probably in a different BPM, if not way lower than this one.
But on this occasion they just don't fit, because the buzzing sound is not really 1/6, it's 1/8, (see ¹ for reference)
and it's speeding up in the stream. If you want to map it, either map it properly and make it unplayable you know I'm joking or avoid these kinds of usages.
good joke, reminds me of another Camellia song that was mapped (AND RANKED) that had a last surprise longstream with 17 varied 1/6 x 1/4 patterns with doubles in the short breaks, I'm sure that map did really well... Anyways, back on topic, if I avoid this then what am I supposed to do? Ignore all of the buzzing and put a boring spinner? It's gonna be impossible to not suggest those 1/6 x 1/4 patterns that I don't think fit².
And, because of the speed-up of the buzzing sound, I recommend starting of 1/4, at the middle of it 1/4 1/6 (example: 00:37:292 - this spot and yes, you see the sounds are going faster on the exact spot which proves that it's 1/8) and at the end finish it with 1/6 kkkdddk or something (00:37:720 - which is this spot). Long 1/6 streams like that definitely not support a map which makes it 8* because they are actually pretty easy, and because of the reasons I mentioned it doesn't fit. (For reference check ²)
About the long streams of what Taikocracy mentioned: I agree with him. Overmap might be acceptable, yes, but it is acceptable on creating proper rhythms to make some good structure, and flow, not a stream.
But it does create a proper rhythm and it does have a good structure and flow, so why can't it be a stream? Are we ignoring the fun factor here? It's both rankable and fun so what's the real problem?
Every instrument here at least stops once while the stream goes on and on without a reason. Putting a stream there doesn't make the song more intense, it is actually the other way around.
Making streams don't make the song more intense, they make the map more intense. I made these streams to give it sort of an epic ending feeling, a challenge in the end of a marathon, just like soe other Camellia song that got ranked with long streams in the end full of 1/6, mine only has 4 1/6 dddk and the ways the pattern connect and flow is completely perfect to me, I keep accepting suggestions from people and it keeps getting better and better,
so I don't really see how would making a long stream in the end makes the song/map less intense...
Less is good, so you can increase intensity by putting 9-plets 7-plets 11-plets in a row but not making a stream, because the sounds are not supporting streams.
Less is good to you, I can also increase the intensivity if I make everything in the stream a finisher, but this is not a war for intensivity,
this is a stream to have fun, to have a big challenge in the map so people don't just walk blindly into what I had to put these kddk patterns for, I made it a huge deathstream so I people wouldn't say it was too easy, that it was blatant pp map, with the kddk patterns I just WAS FORCED to make something of a higher difficulty. This map is not DTeable, is not EZDTeable either, the last streams are way too complex for it to be a pp farm map, now if it reaches 8*
it's not all my fault, the song follows 1/8 on the drops and since that's unplayable for any human being that isn't from the top 25 I'm trying to map something more viable for the rest of the 14975 taiko players that would probably play this map once if it got ranked, this map is both fun for experienced and for inexperienced players, might not be fun for all players but it is fun to most.
This map isn't easy, saying it's easy is just overlooking all of the complexity it has and just looking at the kddk 1/6.
And I'm telling this to everyone, the system the SR for my map, if the SR system said it was 6.5* I'd have uploaded it anyways but then people would've probably whined that the 1/6 should be harder than the 1/6 x 1/4 in Midnaait's mapset.
Without further ado, I hope I didn't come out as offensive or insulting, I'm just a little tired from all of this.
Nepuri
Hm.Nepuri wrote:
I completely agree with Taikocracys stance on this, especially the longer kiai streams.
By mapping it as a solid stream for good 20 seconds or so, you lose opportunity to emphasize strong sounds per a 1/2 break.
From what I've seen, people enjoy the last streams, I don't see any reason to change them, because, to be honest, why change it when people already enjoy it, we're removing the fun factor I hold for this map for the sake of ranking it, what is there to ranking something that you don't find fun? Nothing. If it's not fun why bother?
Limiting yourself to a solid stream though limits your options to emphasize such things. It is not only an alternative, but a very viable one.
Sure it's an alternative but like I said, there are other alternatives that just like this one, I don't really like, so I'll keep the stream the way it is just for the sake of playability and to keep the map fun, not to map the song perfectly. Hope Y'all don't mind so much.
Taikocracy
Ah well, finally got time to reply to this.Taikocracy wrote:
i talked to axer about a lot of this stuff when he asked me to testplay it, so to be fair this was kind of inevitable if the things i told him about weren't changed
Yeah sure, we talked a bit* about this stuff (as our chat lasted around 15 minutes), I did expect the bubble to get popped because of the kddk 1/6 but what really triggered something in me was the fact that you also popped it because of the last 2 streams, which I didn't expect at all to be a problem,
specially when they're on my favorite section of both the map and the song.
i call into question the playability of all the 1/6 spams, whether the music call for such a spam or not it is extremely hard to play this and highly unnecessary when there are multiple alternatives. if every person who mapped electronic decided to map their buildups with 1/6 streams, that would be horrible. in cases like midnaait's version of the same map, 1/4+1/6 is used to make the map more intuitive to play. the alternatives include any other version of 1/4+1/6, or using a spinner in places that have a sound that grows steadily.
the last two kiais, and i mean this in such a sincere manner, should NOT BE STREAMS. none of the instruments present in either kiais are constantly making noises that can or should be plotted. rather, the scheme present in the last two kiais to me is let me place a don where ever the instrument isn't playing, which, in that case, why not make the whole map a stream? the same logic could be applied universally. intensity =/= streams, silence =/= dons. i ask that you remap the kiais to be more rhythmically accurate, and if you need any suggestions or help, i'm happy to work with you on it.
I'm not exactly looking to cut the last 2 streams more than Surono's mod did already. I take all the blame for blatantly making the map fun by ignoring the fact that some instruments do cease to make sound in some ticks, the scheme in the last to kiais actually is "Let me place a don here so everything connects and it becomes both harder and fun", again, I take all the blame for blatantly putting dons where there isn't any persisting instrument,
but it's something I've sacrificed for the sake of the map's fun factor.
the same goes for anything in this mod, if you need extra help or anything feel free to message me, i'm happy to help if i need to
Thanks! I will message you if I need any help, don't expect much though.
thanks
Shinsekai- / Taikocracy
This is reply is for both Shinsekai- and Taikocracy.Shinsekai- wrote:
I can disagree with this cuz this "using a spinner", I think if Axer add one spinner will be bad for the song cuz sounds like this one " 00:36:692 - " will be unused, Why i'm saying one spinner doesn't work? well one spinner can be easily CLEARED F A S T leaving like 3 or 4 seconds with no notes and that's kinda bad cuz we are losing sounds and wasting the sounds as well =S if he delete those 1/6's the map automatically will be too easy for more experienced players, in my oppion this version is more tehcnical than Mid's version actually People can judge this like " THAT MAP IS ONLY FOR PP, FUCK IT, IS SHIT" But clear this map requires skill to make it clear or well FC. And in my oppion the kiais are okTaikocracy wrote:
i call into question the playability of all the 1/6 spams, whether the music call for such a spam or not it is extremely hard to play this and highly unnecessary when there are multiple alternatives. if every person who mapped electronic decided to map their buildups with 1/6 streams, that would be horrible. in cases like midnaait's version of the same map, 1/4+1/6 is used to make the map more intuitive to play. the alternatives include any other version of 1/4+1/6, or using a spinner in places that have a sound that grows steadily.they are pretty accurate
Using a spinner is basically ignoring the rhythm and sound(in this case at least). Not an option to me, it might be an alternative to some of you but to me, it's just a lazy and vague way of mapping it.I'm agree with this but they are pretty accurate xd the things he needs now is notes to delete the 1st seccion of the kiai is ok for me the 2nd is pretty overmapped in my oppinion, And like I said the kiais doesn't needs to be re-mapped only nerf deleting notes that's allTaikocracy wrote:
the last two kiais, and i mean this in such a sincere manner, should NOT BE STREAMS. none of the instruments present in either kiais are constantly making noises that can or should be plotted. rather, the scheme present in the last two kiais to me is let me place a don where ever the instrument isn't playing, which, in that case, why not make the whole map a stream? the same logic could be applied universally. intensity =/= streams, silence =/= dons. i ask that you remap the kiais to be more rhythmically accurate, and if you need any suggestions or help, i'm happy to work with you on it.
As for the 1st stream: It is indeed pretty accurate, at least to me, I've been told it's fun to play, it sounds good, and that it plays out well,
I need a bigger reason to start cutting it than "it doesn't follow the music exactly like it tells you to".
As for the 2nd stream: It's not overmapped, it has only 4 dddk 1/6 patterns and has very simple streams. If mine is overmapped then so is Midnaait's right?
Taikocracy
Shinsekai-
Axer
Gonna meme around in this bit of post I've got left.Taikocracy wrote:
okay but that goes for any spinner in any map, so that's kind of invalid in itself lol. there are more technical maps than this also without the 1/6 spam, so the same can be achieved with some alternativesShinsekai- & Taikocracy wrote:
i call into question the playability of all the 1/6 spams, whether the music call for such a spam or not it is extremely hard to play this and highly unnecessary when there are multiple alternatives. if every person who mapped electronic decided to map their buildups with 1/6 streams, that would be horrible. in cases like midnaait's version of the same map, 1/4+1/6 is used to make the map more intuitive to play. the alternatives include any other version of 1/4+1/6, or using a spinner in places that have a sound that grows steadily.
I can disagree with this cuz this "using a spinner", I think if Axer add one spinner will be bad for the song cuz sounds like this one " 00:36:692 - " will be unused, Why i'm saying one spinner doesn't work? well one spinner can be easily CLEARED F A S T leaving like 3 or 4 seconds with no notes and that's kinda bad cuz we are losing sounds and wasting the sounds as well =S if he delete those 1/6's the map automatically will be too easy for more experienced players, in my oppion this version is more tehcnical than Mid's version actually People can judge this like " THAT MAP IS ONLY FOR PP, FUCK IT, IS SHIT" But clear this map requires skill to make it clear or well FC. And in my oppion the kiais are ok
I already made a special nerfed diff for you and other people that I left in the map's description, it is 7.84* and has the last streams "cut and emphasized" and more importantly, the 1/6 kddk removed and replaced with 1/6 x 1/4, you might like it, you might not, that doesn't really mean anything to me as it's something I've done in 15 minutes for some people to experience how the map would be if I did apply your mod, although it's not accurately represented because I only had 15 minutes to do that. Either way, I'm sure that's at least a preview of how the map would be with 1/6 x 1/4 patterns in the drops instead of kddk 1/6 and with the last 2 streams way more cut instead of following a Fun Stream scheme.eh ok we'll see about thatShinsekai & Taikocracy wrote:
the last two kiais, and i mean this in such a sincere manner, should NOT BE STREAMS. none of the instruments present in either kiais are constantly making noises that can or should be plotted. rather, the scheme present in the last two kiais to me is let me place a don where ever the instrument isn't playing, which, in that case, why not make the whole map a stream? the same logic could be applied universally. intensity =/= streams, silence =/= dons. i ask that you remap the kiais to be more rhythmically accurate, and if you need any suggestions or help, i'm happy to work with you on it.
I'm agree with this but they are pretty accurate xd the things he needs now is notes to delete the 1st seccion of the kiai is ok for me the 2nd is pretty overmapped in my oppinion, And like I said the kiais doesn't needs to be re-mapped only nerf deleting notes that's all
I'm sure I made it clear, but either way, I'll see about that sooner or later.
Nifty is the best mapper to ever exist; he creates masterpieces. Anyone that thinks otherwise is an uneducated fool!
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I hope my replies were decent to a certain extent, I'm not really used to arguing about mapping as I'm not the most experienced mapper ever nor the best at arguing about stuff.
Anyways, plz enjoy game.
i’m going to be flat out honest, if you know that there are multiple people against this map and you’re still pushing it for rank, don’t expect it to get anywhere. the diligence and effort are honorable, but not changing things that multiple people have agreed on will not get this map anywhere. we all have to sacrifice things we like about our maps so that they’re fit for ranking, and this is not fit for ranking. if you truly do not want to change anything that me, fruko, nepuri, and tons of other taiko bns have agreed on as a bad idea, then i suggest you start looking into getting this map loved.
Topic Starter
How many times have I said that there are multiple people that like this map, that would like to see it ranked.Taikocracy wrote:
i’m going to be flat out honest, if you know that there are multiple people against this map and you’re still pushing it for rank, don’t expect it to get anywhere. the diligence and effort are honorable, but not changing things that multiple people have agreed on will not get this map anywhere. we all have to sacrifice things we like about our maps so that they’re fit for ranking, and this is not fit for ranking. if you truly do not want to change anything that me, fruko, nepuri, and tons of other taiko bns have agreed on as a bad idea, then i suggest you start looking into getting this map loved.
Whatever, just let me think about it ffs.
Topic Starter
It was completely comprehensible (with exception of screenshots, pls get better combo number ;; my eyes hurt) and probably one of the most useful mods I've had ^^!Raphalge wrote:
hi
[not a pp map]
00:05:492 (21) - change to k for the tone difference between 00:05:149 (19,20) - and 00:05:492 (21,22) - ? ✓
00:08:920 (36,37,38,39,40,41,42) - change to k d k k d d k so you cover both the main and background synth? ✓
00:16:463 (79) - and 00:16:977 (82) - change to d and D? 00:16:463 (79) - for the same reason as 00:05:492 (21) - and 00:16:977 (82) - to make it easier to read ✓
00:18:692 (92) - change to k? I just think it looks nice contrasting with 00:19:206 (94,95,96) - :V ✓
00:20:235 (99) - change to k? since this and 00:20:406 - are basically the same note. ✓
00:28:463 (17) - honestly think this section up until the stream would look nicer with just a simple k d k d k theme, to match the simplicity of the stream. up to you though. I'll leave it as it is, uwu
00:43:463 (160,161) - invert since the bass hit is on 00:43:549 - ? I know it has the buzz sound but it'd help make the stream a bit less cluttered with all the kats. ✓
00:44:492 (172) - change to d to improve readability? also sounds like there's a bit of a dip before 00:44:577 (173) - which I think would be nice to emphasise. ✓
00:45:263 (179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191) - change pattern to kkkdkkkdkkddk? would fit your previous rhythms a lot better. ✓
00:46:635 (193) - I don't see why only this stream starts with a d? I'm already getting lazy so I'll just post one of these as a pattern suggestion. Again I feel like it'd match your previous rhythms better. ✓ sounds very nice, thanks!
00:54:692 (272,273,274) - while this stream seems fine, it's a little boring. If you invert these three you'll incorporate part of 00:52:463 (250) - this stream AND 00:51:092 (236) - this stream, idk I think it'd be neat. ✓
01:22:292 (421) - For the sake of my sanity please change either this to k or 01:18:177 (412) - and 01:19:549 (415) - please, why aren't they the same D: ✓ AM SORRY I FORGOT
01:37:377 (538) - k for consistency with 01:35:835 (522,523) - and to highlight the higher pitch buzz on 01:37:377 (538) - ? ✓
01:42:863 (592) - ^ ✓
01:46:034 (623) - change to d? I think it'd improve readability. Same for all the other instances. of (kkkd)k ✓ uwu
01:49:377 (657) - change to d since 01:49:549 (658) - is basically the same note? (also for a nicer pattern)
01:54:177 (699,700,701,702,703,704,705,706) - kkkdkkdd looks a lot nicer imo, otherwise you have the 1/6 starting on the same color as the note before it, and that'd be the only place in the map this happens (kinda off-putting tbh) ✓ motherfk it sounds so much better now ><!!!
02:11:663 (45) - same as 00:05:492 (21) - ✓
02:22:292 (106,107,108,109,110,111,112) - with the amount of finishers here I think a simple k k d d k k d would be nicer, mustly for readability. ✓
02:24:520 (117) - change to d to (kind of) match 00:18:349 (90,91,92,93) - ? ✓
02:40:977 (190) - and 02:42:349 (206) - change to k for no other reason than to spice up the stream a bit? ✓ SPICY
02:45:863 - missed note? Don't see why you'd skip this one since you mapped it at 02:54:092 - ✓ added uwu!!
02:48:692 (254,255,256,257,258,259) - k k d k k d would cover the kicks a lot better imo. ✓ kkdkkd uwu
02:50:663 - add k? it's an 8* map so a little 1/4 wouldn't hurt right? :^) ✓ added d, u probably got confused and typed k by accident uwu
02:58:977 (330) - change to d? there's a little woop in the background where a different note would look nice plus it'd improve playability. ✓
03:03:092 - weird skipped note again? the woops deserve emphasis my dude! ✓ DONE MY DUDE
03:04:463 (368) - d for the same reason as 02:58:977 (330) - ? ✓
03:05:920 (383) - k here? sounds the same as the rest of the stream so I don't see why it should be mapped differently
03:07:549 - change this sv to 1.25x as well please. Would avoid a really weird overlap that way. ✓
03:55:892 (202) - change to d for the same reason as 00:05:492 (21) - ? ✓
04:08:749 (21,22) - change to k for a nice mirror with 04:09:435 (27,28) - ? ✓
04:09:692 - strongly suggest adding a k here and inverting 04:09:777 (29,30) - , the pause is kind of weird since the drum beat doesn't actually "stop" at all.
04:11:835 (46,47,48,49) - move this to 04:11:749 - and change to dkkd? If you then move 04:12:263 (50,51,52) - to 04:12:177 - and add a k at 04:12:520 - I think it'd look pretty nice. ✓
04:12:692 (54,55,56,57,58,59,60) - change to dkkdkkd if you apply the previous suggestion? ✓The great stream pattern suggestion of 2017[Stream 1]
Only apply this if you apply all of them, otherwise it'll probably look like shit idk. Ask me if you need clarification on any points.
04:15:349 (83) - swap with 04:15:520 (85) - ? Making the patterns really complex at the very end of the map is a bit big of a diff spike if you ask me.
04:19:292 (125,126,127,128) - kdkk? same reason as the last point, this stream really is a ton harder than the rest of the map :S ✓ edited this pattern just a bit
04:20:320 (137) - k sounds nice here and would add some variety. ✓
04:21:092 (146,148,150) - swap colors? bring back the kdkkdkkk from 00:51:092 (236) - :^) nain, too confusing ;;
04:21:777 (154) - since I'm lazy again I'll just suggest another screenshotted stream pattern like this nain, too confusing ;;
04:24:006 (180,181,182,183) - change to kdkk ✓ , 04:24:520 (186,187,188,189,190,191,192) - into kdkdkkd and 04:25:206 (194,195,196,197,198,199) - into kdkkdk? nain, too confusing ;;
04:25:720 (200,201,202,203) - change into ddkk?nain, is fine like dis
04:27:006 (215,216) - inverting these sounds nice if you change the following stream pattern to something like this color=#FF0000]nain, is fine like dis[/color]
04:29:835 (248) - another stream suggestion starting from here. boom too confusing ;w;
04:32:235 (248) - and then starting from here. bam too confusing ;w;
04:36:177 (322) - change to d? ✓
04:37:549 (338) - ^? ✓
04:39:263 (358) - ^? ✓ and this will also allow me to make it end on a Big Kat!!
[Stream 2]
04:44:749 (413) - k would fit the melody you followed before the 1/6 ✓
04:47:063 (441,442,443,444) - change to kddk for smoother playing? It's fine like this
04:47:492 (446) - k for the same reason as the last one? ✓
04:48:006 (452,453,454,455,456,457,458,459,460,461,462,463,464) - kkkdkkddkdkdk would look nicer imo, and fit the previous rhythms better. It's fine like this, don't need any changes
04:55:720 (536) - k for the same reason as the last one? ✓
04:58:120 (565,567) - change to k to emphasise the stuff you did at 04:52:806 - ? ✓
Hope some of this is comprehensible, I just woke up. So yeah bubble pops hurt, but I'd hate to see you give up on one of your first maps. So ganbatte, Axer-chan!
Im back here to help quick fix the issues that some people concerned before
so start from 5th kiai
04:28:463 - from here change the structures like this screenshot:
since this part has low intense from the rhythm, so yea it would fit and good as minirest
04:35:577 - 04:36:949 - delete these for optional as minirest but I recommended it, if you want this part doesnt look overdone.
notes to delete from 6th kiai:
04:40:892 - 04:41:063 - 04:42:263 - 04:42:435 - 04:43:635 - 04:43:806 - 04:45:006 - 04:45:177 - 04:46:377 - 04:46:549 - , then a bit telling from 04:46:635 - here until 04:49:035 - : kdk d kdkdddk ddkkkdk kdkkkdk and last delete in 04:49:120 - here. repeat for same spot with this suggestion from 04:51:777 - here but just stop until 04:56:149 - here.
most of these timestamps are recommended to be deleted since its just unnecessary rhythm and good to avoid overdone this part.
I do apologize due my lack of judging/checking this map before but yeah its community, good to see people that care this altho it was happenned from my action but I think this is how it works. I dont against with opinion about 1/6 longstream, 1/6+1/4 or etc again but this is the actual problem that I already adressed in here.
I dont know what have you done in desc. with something like experimental but this is it, hope your map can be ranked as long as you put more efforts!
so start from 5th kiai
04:28:463 - from here change the structures like this screenshot:
since this part has low intense from the rhythm, so yea it would fit and good as minirest
04:35:577 - 04:36:949 - delete these for optional as minirest but I recommended it, if you want this part doesnt look overdone.
notes to delete from 6th kiai:
04:40:892 - 04:41:063 - 04:42:263 - 04:42:435 - 04:43:635 - 04:43:806 - 04:45:006 - 04:45:177 - 04:46:377 - 04:46:549 - , then a bit telling from 04:46:635 - here until 04:49:035 - : kdk d kdkdddk ddkkkdk kdkkkdk and last delete in 04:49:120 - here. repeat for same spot with this suggestion from 04:51:777 - here but just stop until 04:56:149 - here.
most of these timestamps are recommended to be deleted since its just unnecessary rhythm and good to avoid overdone this part.
I do apologize due my lack of judging/checking this map before but yeah its community, good to see people that care this altho it was happenned from my action but I think this is how it works. I dont against with opinion about 1/6 longstream, 1/6+1/4 or etc again but this is the actual problem that I already adressed in here.
I dont know what have you done in desc. with something like experimental but this is it, hope your map can be ranked as long as you put more efforts!
Topic Starter
I'll check this later, I decided to remove the box with alternative versions I had in my description since updating every single one would be too troublesome.Surono wrote:
Im back here to help quick fix the issues that some people concerned before
so start from 5th kiai
04:28:463 - from here change the structures like this screenshot:
since this part has low intense from the rhythm, so yea it would fit and good as minirest
04:35:577 - 04:36:949 - delete these for optional as minirest but I recommended it, if you want this part doesnt look overdone.
notes to delete from 6th kiai:
04:40:892 - 04:41:063 - 04:42:263 - 04:42:435 - 04:43:635 - 04:43:806 - 04:45:006 - 04:45:177 - 04:46:377 - 04:46:549 - , then a bit telling from 04:46:635 - here until 04:49:035 - : kdk d kdkdddk ddkkkdk kdkkkdk and last delete in 04:49:120 - here. repeat for same spot with this suggestion from 04:51:777 - here but just stop until 04:56:149 - here.
most of these timestamps are recommended to be deleted since its just unnecessary rhythm and good to avoid overdone this part.
I do apologize due my lack of judging/checking this map before but yeah its community, good to see people that care this altho it was happenned from my action but I think this is how it works. I dont against with opinion about 1/6 longstream, 1/6+1/4 or etc again but this is the actual problem that I already adressed in here.
I dont know what have you done in desc. with something like experimental but this is it, hope your map can be ranked as long as you put more efforts!
Topic Starter
Alright, applied everything!Surono wrote:
Im back here to help quick fix the issues that some people concerned before
so start from 5th kiai
04:28:463 - from here change the structures like this screenshot:
since this part has low intense from the rhythm, so yea it would fit and good as minirest
04:35:577 - 04:36:949 - delete these for optional as minirest but I recommended it, if you want this part doesnt look overdone.
notes to delete from 6th kiai:
04:40:892 - 04:41:063 - 04:42:263 - 04:42:435 - 04:43:635 - 04:43:806 - 04:45:006 - 04:45:177 - 04:46:377 - 04:46:549 - , then a bit telling from 04:46:635 - here until 04:49:035 - : kdk d kdkdddk ddkkkdk kdkkkdk and last delete in 04:49:120 - here. repeat for same spot with this suggestion from 04:51:777 - here but just stop until 04:56:149 - here.
most of these timestamps are recommended to be deleted since its just unnecessary rhythm and good to avoid overdone this part.
I do apologize due my lack of judging/checking this map before but yeah its community, good to see people that care this altho it was happenned from my action but I think this is how it works. I dont against with opinion about 1/6 longstream, 1/6+1/4 or etc again but this is the actual problem that I already adressed in here.
Don't worry, I don't mind, it was something useful really, I learned a lot of stuff, I guess that with this mod I have already fixed one of the problems (the long long streams in the end)
I dont know what have you done in desc. with something like experimental but this is it, hope your map can be ranked as long as you put more efforts!
Thanks for the mod Sur! OwO!
hi I saw this map had angery people so I came
talked with axer about 1/6 usage and the ending streams and worked out some things, also changed hitsound volumes and some overlap issue.
talked with axer about 1/6 usage and the ending streams and worked out some things, also changed hitsound volumes and some overlap issue.
lmao this irc was exactly an hour long
17:38 Nifty: ye highlights vocals and saves the 1/6 spam for the end
17:38 Axer: but wouldn't I have to need to make the rest of them different?
17:38 Nifty: nah make every one like that
17:39 Nifty: since they're all the same in the first place
17:39 Nifty: u could totally change it up a little though, like switch the order of the 1/6
17:39 Axer: I'll check if it sounds goo
17:39 Axer: good
17:39 Nifty: I just made it the most player friendly lmao
17:39 Nifty: im gonna leave sum notes
17:40 Nifty: map note 00:41:063 - here and make the following pattern (dkkkdkkkd) start 00:41:149 - here
17:40 Nifty: right now it's kkkdkkkdk and it's weird
17:41 Nifty: same 00:45:263 - here
17:41 Nifty: and 00:46:635 - here
17:42 Nifty: actually, you could keep the second part of these as dkkdk, but the beginning should be dkkkd
17:43 Axer: yeah
17:44 Nifty: 00:45:092 (179) - delete //stream emphasis
17:44 Nifty: would make 00:49:892 (227,228,229) - ddk for flow and snare on downbeat
17:45 Nifty: ye every note before the streams where u can delet like 00:51:949 (246) - could be ded gone
17:45 Axer: applying the 1/6x1/4 pattern you suggested
17:45 Nifty: oke ill give u a time lmao
17:46 Axer: haven't checked what * it is
17:46 Nifty: * doesn't matter smh
17:46 Axer: But I'm pretty scared
17:46 Axer: I know
17:46 Nifty: it's still gonna be over 7*
17:46 Axer: but if the * goes down way too much
17:46 Axer: It'll bring people to whine that they knew the kddk was bad
17:46 Nifty: I mean it was
17:46 Axer: because anyone with the editor at hand knows that this is just like 6.7* with the kddk
17:47 Nifty: the doubles are more pp heavy
17:47 Nifty: t b h
17:47 Axer: oh
17:47 Axer: uhm
17:47 Axer: I just got a mini heart attack.
17:47 Axer: give me a second.
17:47 Nifty: deleting all of the 1/6 and not replacing them makes it 7.6 lmao
17:48 Axer: 6.58*
17:48 Axer: the map
17:48 Axer: is now
17:48 Axer: 6.58*
17:48 Nifty: oh there's 4 lmao
17:49 Nifty: how?
17:49 Nifty: I just deleted all 4 and didn't replace them and it's 7.4
17:49 Axer: I don't know
17:49 Axer: but now this map is underweighted
17:49 Nifty: update it lemme see wtf you did
17:49 Axer: what the fuck is this map
17:49 Axer: Nonono
17:49 Axer: well
17:49 Axer: I added your pattern
17:50 Axer: replaced all the kddk ones
17:50 Axer: Ngl
17:50 Axer: That really felt like a kick in the heart
17:51 Nifty: I just did it and it's 7.5
17:51 Nifty: you must have done something else
17:51 Axer: specially that this pattern is even harder, now it's underweighted
17:51 Axer: uhm
17:51 Axer: there are more than 4 kddks
17:51 Axer: there are at the end of the kiais
17:51 Nifty: ???
17:51 Nifty: why lmao
17:51 Axer: of the first 2.
17:51 Nifty: damnit man
17:51 Axer: ok
17:51 Axer: now I can say it
17:51 Nifty: also 6.5 it's underweighted tbh
17:51 Axer: did you even check it?
17:51 Axer: it's
17:51 Nifty: yeah but scrolling through editor is work
17:51 Axer: a fucking mess
17:52 Axer: how the fuck is this 6.5*
17:52 Nifty: nah the patterns are pretty easy lmao
17:52 Axer: it should at least be 7.5*
17:52 Nifty: 175 isn't hard for 1/4 streams
17:52 Axer: it's ridicously underweighted now for it to have 1/6x1/4 patterns
17:52 Nifty: they're easy patterns
17:53 Axer: I really want this to be at least higher * than Midnaait's
17:54 Nifty: well cheese some other way lel
17:54 Nifty: let me see
17:54 Axer: gonna puta
17:54 Axer: put*
17:54 Axer: back the kddk for now
17:54 Axer: so I can update the other changes you suggested
17:54 Nifty: alright
17:54 Axer: should be 8.08
17:54 Axer: 8.07*
17:54 Axer: if not then this map is haunted
17:55 Axer: and I'm destined to never succeed
17:56 Axer: yeah, 8.07*
17:56 Nifty: ye jus sayin it won't be ranked if you keep that stuffs
17:56 Axer: I can't leave them blank
17:56 Nifty: so either get over the sr or try to love
17:56 Nifty: ya 2 options now lul
17:56 Axer: ok
17:57 Axer: so what's Midnaait's * rating
17:57 Nifty: 7.65
17:57 Axer: damn.
17:57 Nifty: you could do what he did but with different patterns
17:57 Axer: Ok
17:57 Nifty: (kkkd)d(kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkkkkd)
17:57 Axer: I have an idea.
17:58 Axer: (kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkd)d(kddk)dk
17:58 Axer: Wait
17:58 Axer: no fucking way
17:58 Axer: no Fucking way it was that fucking easy
17:58 Axer: I swear to god
17:58 Axer: give me a second
17:58 Nifty: how bout (kkkd)k(dddk)d(kddk)d(kddkddk)
17:59 Axer: let me check this first
17:59 Nifty: it kinda retains the kddk spam from earlier
17:59 Axer: I'm so fucking mad right now
17:59 Axer: OMG
17:59 Axer: I'M FUCKING DONE
17:59 Axer: I FUCKING QUIT THIS GAME
17:59 Nifty: hunh
17:59 Axer: I'm uploading this.
17:59 Nifty: oke
18:00 Axer: 7.93*
18:00 Axer: Holy fucking shit
18:00 Axer: Am I so fucking slow
18:00 Axer: How did I not try that before
18:00 Nifty: hunh
18:00 Axer: I place that pattern almost once in all of my Camellia maps.
18:00 Nifty: l u l
18:01 Nifty: good ye
18:01 Nifty: ok now delete 00:47:749 (199) - this
18:02 Nifty: it's the same as 00:42:263 -
18:02 Axer: oh thank
18:02 Nifty: I would put a k 00:54:092 - here cause noises
18:02 Axer: I FINALLY GOT RID OF THE KDDK
18:02 Nifty: yayy
18:03 Nifty: after this mod I would bother taiko for a recheck
18:03 Nifty: don't tell him I told u that tho
18:03 Nifty: unless he reads this irc
18:03 Axer: ye
18:03 Axer: we can erase this part :^)
18:03 Nifty: :^)
18:04 Axer: DIIOS
18:04 Axer: WIUTH DT
18:04 Axer: IS NOW 9.96*
18:04 Nifty: ew
18:04 Nifty: nobody is gonna dt this
18:04 Axer: ye
18:04 Axer: but before
18:04 Axer: it was 9.74 with dt
18:05 Nifty: oh
18:05 Nifty: see 1/6 1/4 spam is cool too
18:05 Axer: probably becfause it has more spaces now
18:05 Nifty: ye
18:05 Axer: I'm fucking don
18:05 Nifty: well im not xd
18:05 Axer: it only took me 4 months
18:06 Nifty: ok now add hitsound changes
18:06 Nifty: like at the beginning when it sounds like a shotgun compared to the music
18:06 Axer: wa
18:06 Axer: whaa
18:07 Axer: how do that
18:07 Nifty: u don't know how to change hitsound volumes?
18:07 Axer: Ohh
18:07 Nifty: ye
18:07 Axer: I thought I was supposed to literally hitsound that part
18:07 Axer: sure, where
18:07 Nifty: beginning
18:07 Nifty: and every other quiet part
18:08 Axer: like?
18:08 Nifty: make it like 70%
18:08 Nifty: and 01:01:892 -
18:08 Axer: yeah but what svs though
18:08 Nifty: just the one
18:09 Nifty: 00:11:235 - is fine being 100%, and u can gradually change it to there with that svage
18:09 Nifty: 01:56:406 - should be 70% as well
18:09 Nifty: 02:07:206 - 80%
18:09 Nifty: build that to 100% 02:17:492 - here
18:10 Nifty: I would make 03:07:549 - 80%
18:10 Nifty: then stay 80% until 03:39:777 -
18:11 Nifty: 05:02:749 - move the sv closest to here to this barline (cause kiais usually should be on barlines) and change to 80%
18:12 Nifty: and finally you can make it 100% again at 05:05:149 -
18:12 Nifty: (but I would make 05:07:035 - lower too cause it's disruptive, not really necessary but u kno)
18:13 Axer: actually
18:13 Axer: I will make it descend in volume there
18:14 Nifty: good idea
18:14 Nifty: u can update when you've done those
18:14 Axer: it ends after 6 ticks
18:14 Axer: it should decrease until it's 10% soo
18:14 Axer: maths
18:14 Nifty: maths
18:14 Nifty: quic
18:14 Axer: actually
18:14 Axer: it ends in 5 ticks
18:14 Axer: because the last one doesn't count
18:14 Axer: so it should descend by 20
18:15 Nifty: sure
18:15 Axer: and now I can make it even smoother by decreasing by 10%
18:15 Nifty: haha owah
18:15 Nifty: i love svs wooo
18:16 Axer: and on the last tick it'll be 5%
18:16 Axer: so for when people spam in the end of the kiai
18:16 Axer: alright
18:16 Axer: so I guess that's it?
18:17 Nifty: nope we're gonna fix the fucking ending
18:17 Axer: alright
18:17 Nifty: update for hitsounds?
18:17 Axer: Surono said he's fine with the ending already
18:17 Nifty: mmm well I wouldn't risk it with tako
18:17 Axer: so all we need is for Taikocracy and Fruko to like it
18:17 Nifty: he's quick to pull the pop
18:18 Axer: also
18:18 Axer: can we squeeze a note somewhere
18:18 Axer: so it's 2040 combo
18:18 Axer: owo
18:18 Nifty: nope
18:18 Nifty: >:)
18:18 Axer: :(
18:19 Nifty: it would be better for the ending stream
18:19 Nifty: starting at the first kiai
18:19 Axer: alñright
18:19 Nifty: delete 04:19:120 (121) - dis
18:19 Axer: gonn uptade
18:19 Nifty: and then repeat deleting every 4 bars
18:19 Nifty: it fits the phrases
18:19 Nifty: and no 10 second streams :D
18:19 Axer: updated
18:20 Nifty: you only need to do that 3 times
18:20 Axer: ok mark me every note
18:20 Nifty: 04:21:863 -
18:20 Axer: so I don't fuck up
18:20 Nifty: 04:24:606 -
18:21 Nifty: make 05:02:749 - not kiai sv and add the second kiai back xd
18:21 Axer: wha
18:22 Nifty: you removed the second kiai at the end when u updated lmao
18:22 Axer: wAIT WHAT THE FUCK
18:22 Nifty: lololol
18:22 Axer: I DUN GOOFEDC
18:22 Axer: ok
18:22 Axer: so that's it?
18:22 Axer: no more?
18:22 Nifty: nop
18:22 Nifty: a little more
18:22 Nifty: some notes in the second hald of the first kiai at the end (????)
18:23 Nifty: 04:30:092 (240) - delet, we're gonna make these phrases the same rhythm
18:23 Axer: didn't I cut the 2nd kiai streams too much?
18:23 Nifty: 04:32:835 (272) - d
18:23 Axer: actually
18:23 Nifty: d meaning delete
18:23 Axer: done
18:23 Nifty: that's the only note lel
18:23 Axer: no more?
18:24 Nifty: second kiai streams are fine
18:24 Axer: IS IT OVER YET?
18:24 Nifty: update
18:24 Axer: 2034
18:24 Axer: I like this combo number
18:24 Nifty: good
18:25 Axer: alright
18:25 Axer: Updated
18:25 Nifty: i like how the sr didn't go down at all
18:25 Nifty: but it's a lot easier
18:25 Axer: yeah
18:26 Nifty: lemme check agin
18:28 Axer: post the mod and bla bla
18:29 Nifty: nop not done
18:29 Axer: noice
18:29 Nifty: 01:56:406 - make this sv higher than the stream
18:29 Nifty: like 1.3
18:29 Axer: if the combo ends in 0 I'll be happy x10
18:29 Nifty: it's overlapping
18:29 Axer: I'd have to add another sv later though
18:30 Nifty: you can slow down like 01:57:606 - 1.2 etc
18:30 Nifty: and then down to 1.0 02:00:349 - here
18:31 Nifty: tell me when ya updoot
18:31 Axer: updooting
18:33 Axer: yodiited
18:33 Axer: updooted
18:33 Nifty: and to get it to 2030, delete 01:50:920 (650) - 01:52:292 (664) - 01:53:577 (678) - and make 02:47:320 - a 1/4
18:33 Nifty: the notes aren't needed there and the 1/6 is extra
18:34 Axer: I think I'll leave it like that
18:34 Axer: it feels too empty
18:34 Nifty: oke lets find 4 other notes
18:36 Nifty: jk i can't 4 notes to delete
18:36 Axer: it's fine
18:36 Nifty: now we're cool
18:37 Nifty: how do u save chat logs
18:37 Axer: sa
18:37 Axer: uhh
18:37 Nifty: something like
Topic Starter
good goiNifty wrote:
hi I saw this map had angery people so I came
talked with axer about 1/6 usage and the ending streams and worked out some things, also changed hitsound volumes and some overlap issue.lmao this irc was exactly an hour long17:27 Nifty: I would do something like [https://puu.sh/yFf9S/3c591cb0d9.png this]
17:27 Nifty: 00:36:692 -
17:38 Axer: actually
17:38 Axer: that's a very nice suggestion
17:38 Nifty: ye highlights vocals and saves the 1/6 spam for the end
17:38 Axer: but wouldn't I have to need to make the rest of them different?
17:38 Nifty: nah make every one like that
17:39 Nifty: since they're all the same in the first place
17:39 Nifty: u could totally change it up a little though, like switch the order of the 1/6
17:39 Axer: I'll check if it sounds goo
17:39 Axer: good
17:39 Nifty: I just made it the most player friendly lmao
17:39 Nifty: im gonna leave sum notes
17:40 Nifty: map note 00:41:063 - here and make the following pattern (dkkkdkkkd) start 00:41:149 - here
17:40 Nifty: right now it's kkkdkkkdk and it's weird
17:41 Nifty: same 00:45:263 - here
17:41 Nifty: and 00:46:635 - here
17:42 Nifty: actually, you could keep the second part of these as dkkdk, but the beginning should be dkkkd
17:43 Axer: yeah
17:44 Nifty: 00:45:092 (179) - delete //stream emphasis
17:44 Nifty: would make 00:49:892 (227,228,229) - ddk for flow and snare on downbeat
17:45 Nifty: ye every note before the streams where u can delet like 00:51:949 (246) - could be ded gone
17:45 Axer: applying the 1/6x1/4 pattern you suggested
17:45 Nifty: oke ill give u a time lmao
17:46 Axer: haven't checked what * it is
17:46 Nifty: * doesn't matter smh
17:46 Axer: But I'm pretty scared
17:46 Axer: I know
17:46 Nifty: it's still gonna be over 7*
17:46 Axer: but if the * goes down way too much
17:46 Axer: It'll bring people to whine that they knew the kddk was bad
17:46 Nifty: I mean it was
17:46 Axer: because anyone with the editor at hand knows that this is just like 6.7* with the kddk
17:47 Nifty: the doubles are more pp heavy
17:47 Nifty: t b h
17:47 Axer: oh
17:47 Axer: uhm
17:47 Axer: I just got a mini heart attack.
17:47 Axer: give me a second.
17:47 Nifty: deleting all of the 1/6 and not replacing them makes it 7.6 lmao
17:48 Axer: 6.58*
17:48 Axer: the map
17:48 Axer: is now
17:48 Axer: 6.58*
17:48 Nifty: oh there's 4 lmao
17:49 Nifty: how?
17:49 Nifty: I just deleted all 4 and didn't replace them and it's 7.4
17:49 Axer: I don't know
17:49 Axer: but now this map is underweighted
17:49 Nifty: update it lemme see wtf you did
17:49 Axer: what the fuck is this map
17:49 Axer: Nonono
17:49 Axer: well
17:49 Axer: I added your pattern
17:50 Axer: replaced all the kddk ones
17:50 Axer: Ngl
17:50 Axer: That really felt like a kick in the heart
17:51 Nifty: I just did it and it's 7.5
17:51 Nifty: you must have done something else
17:51 Axer: specially that this pattern is even harder, now it's underweighted
17:51 Axer: uhm
17:51 Axer: there are more than 4 kddks
17:51 Axer: there are at the end of the kiais
17:51 Nifty: ???
17:51 Nifty: why lmao
17:51 Axer: of the first 2.
17:51 Nifty: damnit man
17:51 Axer: ok
17:51 Axer: now I can say it
17:51 Nifty: also 6.5 it's underweighted tbh
17:51 Axer: did you even check it?
17:51 Axer: it's
17:51 Nifty: yeah but scrolling through editor is work
17:51 Axer: a fucking mess
17:52 Axer: how the fuck is this 6.5*
17:52 Nifty: nah the patterns are pretty easy lmao
17:52 Axer: it should at least be 7.5*
17:52 Nifty: 175 isn't hard for 1/4 streams
17:52 Axer: it's ridicously underweighted now for it to have 1/6x1/4 patterns
17:52 Nifty: they're easy patterns
17:53 Axer: I really want this to be at least higher * than Midnaait's
17:54 Nifty: well cheese some other way lel
17:54 Nifty: let me see
17:54 Axer: gonna puta
17:54 Axer: put*
17:54 Axer: back the kddk for now
17:54 Axer: so I can update the other changes you suggested
17:54 Nifty: alright
17:54 Axer: should be 8.08
17:54 Axer: 8.07*
17:54 Axer: if not then this map is haunted
17:55 Axer: and I'm destined to never succeed
17:56 Axer: yeah, 8.07*
17:56 Nifty: ye jus sayin it won't be ranked if you keep that stuffs
17:56 Axer: I can't leave them blank
17:56 Nifty: so either get over the sr or try to love
17:56 Nifty: ya 2 options now lul
17:56 Axer: ok
17:57 Axer: so what's Midnaait's * rating
17:57 Nifty: 7.65
17:57 Axer: damn.
17:57 Nifty: you could do what he did but with different patterns
17:57 Axer: Ok
17:57 Nifty: (kkkd)d(kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkkkkd)
17:57 Axer: I have an idea.
17:58 Axer: (kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkd)d(kddk)dk
17:58 Axer: Wait
17:58 Axer: no fucking way
17:58 Axer: no Fucking way it was that fucking easy
17:58 Axer: I swear to god
17:58 Axer: give me a second
17:58 Nifty: how bout (kkkd)k(dddk)d(kddk)d(kddkddk)
17:59 Axer: let me check this first
17:59 Nifty: it kinda retains the kddk spam from earlier
17:59 Axer: I'm so fucking mad right now
17:59 Axer: OMG
17:59 Axer: I'M FUCKING DONE
17:59 Axer: I FUCKING QUIT THIS GAME
17:59 Nifty: hunh
17:59 Axer: I'm uploading this.
17:59 Nifty: oke
18:00 Axer: 7.93*
18:00 Axer: Holy fucking shit
18:00 Axer: Am I so fucking slow
18:00 Axer: How did I not try that before
18:00 Nifty: hunh
18:00 Axer: I place that pattern almost once in all of my Camellia maps.
18:00 Nifty: l u l
18:01 Nifty: good ye
18:01 Nifty: ok now delete 00:47:749 (199) - this
18:02 Nifty: it's the same as 00:42:263 -
18:02 Axer: oh thank
18:02 Nifty: I would put a k 00:54:092 - here cause noises
18:02 Axer: I FINALLY GOT RID OF THE KDDK
18:02 Nifty: yayy
18:03 Nifty: after this mod I would bother taiko for a recheck
18:03 Nifty: don't tell him I told u that tho
18:03 Nifty: unless he reads this irc
18:03 Axer: ye
18:03 Axer: we can erase this part :^)
18:03 Nifty: :^)
18:04 Axer: DIIOS
18:04 Axer: WIUTH DT
18:04 Axer: IS NOW 9.96*
18:04 Nifty: ew
18:04 Nifty: nobody is gonna dt this
18:04 Axer: ye
18:04 Axer: but before
18:04 Axer: it was 9.74 with dt
18:05 Nifty: oh
18:05 Nifty: see 1/6 1/4 spam is cool too
18:05 Axer: probably becfause it has more spaces now
18:05 Nifty: ye
18:05 Axer: I'm fucking don
18:05 Nifty: well im not xd
18:05 Axer: it only took me 4 months
18:06 Nifty: ok now add hitsound changes
18:06 Nifty: like at the beginning when it sounds like a shotgun compared to the music
18:06 Axer: wa
18:06 Axer: whaa
18:07 Axer: how do that
18:07 Nifty: u don't know how to change hitsound volumes?
18:07 Axer: Ohh
18:07 Nifty: ye
18:07 Axer: I thought I was supposed to literally hitsound that part
18:07 Axer: sure, where
18:07 Nifty: beginning
18:07 Nifty: and every other quiet part
18:08 Axer: like?
18:08 Nifty: make it like 70%
18:08 Nifty: and 01:01:892 -
18:08 Axer: yeah but what svs though
18:08 Nifty: just the one
18:09 Nifty: 00:11:235 - is fine being 100%, and u can gradually change it to there with that svage
18:09 Nifty: 01:56:406 - should be 70% as well
18:09 Nifty: 02:07:206 - 80%
18:09 Nifty: build that to 100% 02:17:492 - here
18:10 Nifty: I would make 03:07:549 - 80%
18:10 Nifty: then stay 80% until 03:39:777 -
18:11 Nifty: 05:02:749 - move the sv closest to here to this barline (cause kiais usually should be on barlines) and change to 80%
18:12 Nifty: and finally you can make it 100% again at 05:05:149 -
18:12 Nifty: (but I would make 05:07:035 - lower too cause it's disruptive, not really necessary but u kno)
18:13 Axer: actually
18:13 Axer: I will make it descend in volume there
18:14 Nifty: good idea
18:14 Nifty: u can update when you've done those
18:14 Axer: it ends after 6 ticks
18:14 Axer: it should decrease until it's 10% soo
18:14 Axer: maths
18:14 Nifty: maths
18:14 Nifty: quic
18:14 Axer: actually
18:14 Axer: it ends in 5 ticks
18:14 Axer: because the last one doesn't count
18:14 Axer: so it should descend by 20
18:15 Nifty: sure
18:15 Axer: and now I can make it even smoother by decreasing by 10%
18:15 Nifty: haha owah
18:15 Nifty: i love svs wooo
18:16 Axer: and on the last tick it'll be 5%
18:16 Axer: so for when people spam in the end of the kiai
18:16 Axer: alright
18:16 Axer: so I guess that's it?
18:17 Nifty: nope we're gonna fix the fucking ending
18:17 Axer: alright
18:17 Nifty: update for hitsounds?
18:17 Axer: Surono said he's fine with the ending already
18:17 Nifty: mmm well I wouldn't risk it with tako
18:17 Axer: so all we need is for Taikocracy and Fruko to like it
18:17 Nifty: he's quick to pull the pop
18:18 Axer: also
18:18 Axer: can we squeeze a note somewhere
18:18 Axer: so it's 2040 combo
18:18 Axer: owo
18:18 Nifty: nope
18:18 Nifty: >:)
18:18 Axer: :(
18:19 Nifty: it would be better for the ending stream
18:19 Nifty: starting at the first kiai
18:19 Axer: alñright
18:19 Nifty: delete 04:19:120 (121) - dis
18:19 Axer: gonn uptade
18:19 Nifty: and then repeat deleting every 4 bars
18:19 Nifty: it fits the phrases
18:19 Nifty: and no 10 second streams :D
18:19 Axer: updated
18:20 Nifty: you only need to do that 3 times
18:20 Axer: ok mark me every note
18:20 Nifty: 04:21:863 -
18:20 Axer: so I don't fuck up
18:20 Nifty: 04:24:606 -
18:21 Nifty: make 05:02:749 - not kiai sv and add the second kiai back xd
18:21 Axer: wha
18:22 Nifty: you removed the second kiai at the end when u updated lmao
18:22 Axer: wAIT WHAT THE FUCK
18:22 Nifty: lololol
18:22 Axer: I DUN GOOFEDC
18:22 Axer: ok
18:22 Axer: so that's it?
18:22 Axer: no more?
18:22 Nifty: nop
18:22 Nifty: a little more
18:22 Nifty: some notes in the second hald of the first kiai at the end (????)
18:23 Nifty: 04:30:092 (240) - delet, we're gonna make these phrases the same rhythm
18:23 Axer: didn't I cut the 2nd kiai streams too much?
18:23 Nifty: 04:32:835 (272) - d
18:23 Axer: actually
18:23 Nifty: d meaning delete
18:23 Axer: done
18:23 Nifty: that's the only note lel
18:23 Axer: no more?
18:24 Nifty: second kiai streams are fine
18:24 Axer: IS IT OVER YET?
18:24 Nifty: update
18:24 Axer: 2034
18:24 Axer: I like this combo number
18:24 Nifty: good
18:25 Axer: alright
18:25 Axer: Updated
18:25 Nifty: i like how the sr didn't go down at all
18:25 Nifty: but it's a lot easier
18:25 Axer: yeah
18:26 Nifty: lemme check agin
18:28 Axer: post the mod and bla bla
18:29 Nifty: nop not done
18:29 Axer: noice
18:29 Nifty: 01:56:406 - make this sv higher than the stream
18:29 Nifty: like 1.3
18:29 Axer: if the combo ends in 0 I'll be happy x10
18:29 Nifty: it's overlapping
18:29 Axer: I'd have to add another sv later though
18:30 Nifty: you can slow down like 01:57:606 - 1.2 etc
18:30 Nifty: and then down to 1.0 02:00:349 - here
18:31 Nifty: tell me when ya updoot
18:31 Axer: updooting
18:33 Axer: yodiited
18:33 Axer: updooted
18:33 Nifty: and to get it to 2030, delete 01:50:920 (650) - 01:52:292 (664) - 01:53:577 (678) - and make 02:47:320 - a 1/4
18:33 Nifty: the notes aren't needed there and the 1/6 is extra
18:34 Axer: I think I'll leave it like that
18:34 Axer: it feels too empty
18:34 Nifty: oke lets find 4 other notes
18:36 Nifty: jk i can't 4 notes to delete
18:36 Axer: it's fine
18:36 Nifty: now we're cool
18:37 Nifty: how do u save chat logs
18:37 Axer: sa
18:37 Axer: uhh
18:37 Nifty: something like
To be honest, I think the 1/6 kddkddkddkddkddkddk streams are unfun and don't blend well into the rest of the map. Maybe change the patterns a little bit? It is only 263 bpm if it was 1/4 so you shouldnt hold back on those. It's an 8* map afterall.
*blows axer some kisses*
DeletedUser_1981781
mod
(no kudos pls)delete map
DeletedUser_6637817
Promised a mod so here i am!
[World Tour]
How come 02:45:606 - this is not a kiai? Its one of the main parts that gets repeated later in the last kiai time and after having all that buildup beforehand (C-show, C-show etc.) it feels kind of anticlimactic to not have it as a kiai time
Something regarding the last kiais structure i noticed was:
04:40:806 - this kiai time Replays the previous 3 choruses in snippets. It would only make sense to reintroduce the patterns that have been used for these kiais already, with a little room for variation/progression.
For example, you brought back the camellia-kiai pattern 04:43:892 (51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - here and from then on.
Though i dont understand why The Genki-Snippets (at 04:41:149 (23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) - etc.)have been altered so much for this kiai that it doesnt resemble the patterns from the kiai, which imo is a pretty missed opportunity to increase this maps structure.
I advise you to change these patterns so they bear atleast some resemblance to the genki-kiai ones.
04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) - I can hear the synth playing stutteringly here, giving a less fluid feel to those individual sounds at 04:23:235 - and 04:23:492 -; I suggest you remove 04:23:063 (162,165,168) - to emphasize this stuttering by adding 1/1 breaks, while taking no emphasis away.
Similar would apply to 04:34:035 (272,273,274,275,276,277) -;
The map is fine imo, although i am not fond of the design decisions here. They are valid to be used, but not a necessity to use at this scale (See the previous drama with the 1/6 spam)
Good luck i guess
[World Tour]
How come 02:45:606 - this is not a kiai?
Its one of the main parts that gets repeated later in the last kiai time and after having all that buildup beforehand (C-show, C-show etc.) it feels kind of anticlimactic to not have it as a kiai timeSomething regarding the last kiais structure i noticed was:
04:40:806 - this kiai time Replays the previous 3 choruses in snippets. It would only make sense to reintroduce the patterns that have been used for these kiais already, with a little room for variation/progression.
For example, you brought back the camellia-kiai pattern 04:43:892 (51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - here and from then on.
Though i dont understand why The Genki-Snippets (at 04:41:149 (23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) - etc.)have been altered so much for this kiai that it doesnt resemble the patterns from the kiai, which imo is a pretty missed opportunity to increase this maps structure.
I advise you to change these patterns so they bear atleast some resemblance to the genki-kiai ones.
04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) - I can hear the synth playing stutteringly here, giving a less fluid feel to those individual sounds at 04:23:235 - and 04:23:492 -; I suggest you remove 04:23:063 (162,165,168) - to emphasize this stuttering by adding 1/1 breaks, while taking no emphasis away.
Similar would apply to 04:34:035 (272,273,274,275,276,277) -;
The map is fine imo, although i am not fond of the design decisions here. They are valid to be used, but not a necessity to use at this scale (See the previous drama with the 1/6 spam)
Good luck i guess
Topic Starter
I really don't know which parts of the song are made by who so it made it harder to understand the structure suggestions, I enjoy the song a lot but I haven't been very thoughtful about who did what part, sorry about that, either way, thanks for the modNepuri wrote:
Promised a mod so here i am!
[World Tour]
How come 02:45:606 - this is not a kiai?
Something regarding the last kiais structure i noticed was:
04:40:806 - this kiai time Replays the previous 3 choruses in snippets. It would only make sense to reintroduce the patterns that have been used for these kiais already, with a little room for variation/progression. I think the patterns are fine like they are already, I'm not aiming for structure as much as I'm aiming for fun mapping.
For example, you brought back the camellia-kiai pattern 04:43:892 (51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - here and from then on. Yeah but I don't think I can bring any other patterns into the streams, even if they're not so variated I find them to be alright.
Though i dont understand why The Genki-Snippets (at 04:41:149 (23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) - etc.)have been altered so much for this kiai that it doesnt resemble the patterns from the kiai, which imo is a pretty missed opportunity to increase this maps structure.
I advise you to change these patterns so they bear atleast some resemblance to the genki-kiai ones. It's trying to reflect multiple sounds at the same time, it's not easy to make changes because I want to stay as true to the rhythm as possible.
04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) - I can hear the synth playing stutteringly here, giving a less fluid feel to those individual sounds at 04:23:235 - and 04:23:492 -; I suggest you remove 04:23:063 (162,165,168) - to emphasize this stuttering by adding 1/1 breaks, while taking no emphasis away.
Similar would apply to 04:34:035 (272,273,274,275,276,277) -; I'll be honest here, I can't comprehend most of this mod because it doesn't suggest my any (new) patterns, it mostly suggests more structure which I'm still not experienced about, so saying things about structure is the equal of talking to me about something I don't know anything about, I just can't understand
The map is fine imo, although i am not fond of the design decisions here. They are valid to be used, but not a necessity to use at this scale (See the previous drama with the 1/6 spam)
Good luck i guess
thank uwu
DeletedUser_6637817
Ok i think i should be clearer and straight forward; Let me rephrase!
I think 02:45:606 - should be a kiai for following reasons:
There is a buildup, identical to the other kiais;
It is too anticlimactic otherwise;
It gets repeated in the last kiai just like the other kiais.
I believe you can improve these little patterns: 04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) -
They sound different from the sounds that surround them. They sound stutter-esque.
Im reasoning that if you have different sounds in the music, there should be different patterns in the map aswell.
This is a chance you can do that so you emphasize this.
The way i suggest to emphasize the stutter character is to delete 04:23:063 (162,165,168) -;
This will result in doublets, which sound more similar to a stutter than a stream does.
Ergo, if you apply my suggestion you emphasize the stutter in addition to the synth.
I hope im as clear as i can with what i wanted to say >w<
Also i hope this doesnt sound too offensive, sorry if it did uwu
NO KDs
I think 02:45:606 - should be a kiai for following reasons:
There is a buildup, identical to the other kiais;
It is too anticlimactic otherwise;
It gets repeated in the last kiai just like the other kiais.
I believe you can improve these little patterns: 04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) -
They sound different from the sounds that surround them. They sound stutter-esque.
Im reasoning that if you have different sounds in the music, there should be different patterns in the map aswell.
This is a chance you can do that so you emphasize this.
The way i suggest to emphasize the stutter character is to delete 04:23:063 (162,165,168) -;
This will result in doublets, which sound more similar to a stutter than a stream does.
Ergo, if you apply my suggestion you emphasize the stutter in addition to the synth.
I hope im as clear as i can with what i wanted to say >w<
Also i hope this doesnt sound too offensive, sorry if it did uwu
NO KDs
Topic Starter
thank for modNepuri wrote:
Ok i think i should be clearer and straight forward; Let me rephrase! Thank
I think 02:45:606 - should be a kiai for following reasons:
There is a buildup, identical to the other kiais;
It is too anticlimactic otherwise;
It gets repeated in the last kiai just like the other kiais. Will change to kiai
I believe you can improve these little patterns: 04:23:063 (162,163,164,165,166,167) -
They sound different from the sounds that surround them. They sound stutter-esque.
Im reasoning that if you have different sounds in the music, there should be different patterns in the map aswell.
This is a chance you can do that so you emphasize this.
The way i suggest to emphasize the stutter character is to delete 04:23:063 (162,165,168) -;
This will result in doublets, which sound more similar to a stutter than a stream does.
Ergo, if you apply my suggestion you emphasize the stutter in additon to the synth. I'll apply your suggestion of improving these by giving them less kddk and more kdkk and kkdk
I hope im as clear as i can with what i wanted to say >w<
Also i hope this doesnt sound too offensive, sorry if it did uwu Nah you didn't sound offensive at all, mod is fine uwu
NO KDs
Hello, I'm here for a m4m.
[General]
Please, get those (kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkd)d out of here. You have better options that don't involve that pattern, not even necessarily 1/6!
These 1/8 doubles are also redundant!
I think it's important that you have different finisher patterns for each artist + the kasai part at the end. So far, you're using K D D for genki, K K K for Camellia, K K K for C-Show and K D D for Kasai. While this is a consistent pattern, I'd suggest you use D D K | K D K | K K D | K K K in this order.
[World Tour]
00:17:320 (84) - Please remove this circle to get the maximum emphasis out of the prior finisher.
Let's talk 1/6 in streams. The fact that you use the common 1/6 pattern used in the majority of pp maps, makes me think you based this map's entire existance on the premise that it will be worth pp. Does it really have to be this way? If you think that I might be right, I'd like to offer you some examples for streams that could very easily substitute the 1/6 pattern you got from other pp maps:
00:36:692 - : kkddkkddkkkkkkkkk, uses your current SV setup, also used at 01:00:006 - .
01:31:549 - : dkkkdkkkdkkkkkkkd, uses your current SV setup
01:54:863 - : D kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, increase SV by 0.01, 0.02 or 0.03 per circle.
02:42:863 - : kkdkddkdkkdkddkd, uses your current SV setup, you can keep your setup for the end of the kiai
And finally, for the last kiai, I think you can keep the streams the way they are right now. It's supposed to be the most intense part of the map, and the 1/6 accomplish that here. As for the other bits, they use different setups for each artist's part, similar to the finisher setup. Like this, your mapp will still be entertaining, even though it won't be worth as much.
I hope that was understandable and helpful at least. If you have any questions, please let me know!
Good luck.
[General]
Please, get those (kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkd)d out of here. You have better options that don't involve that pattern, not even necessarily 1/6!
These 1/8 doubles are also redundant!
I think it's important that you have different finisher patterns for each artist + the kasai part at the end. So far, you're using K D D for genki, K K K for Camellia, K K K for C-Show and K D D for Kasai. While this is a consistent pattern, I'd suggest you use D D K | K D K | K K D | K K K in this order.
[World Tour]
00:17:320 (84) - Please remove this circle to get the maximum emphasis out of the prior finisher.
Let's talk 1/6 in streams. The fact that you use the common 1/6 pattern used in the majority of pp maps, makes me think you based this map's entire existance on the premise that it will be worth pp. Does it really have to be this way? If you think that I might be right, I'd like to offer you some examples for streams that could very easily substitute the 1/6 pattern you got from other pp maps:
00:36:692 - : kkddkkddkkkkkkkkk, uses your current SV setup, also used at 01:00:006 - .
01:31:549 - : dkkkdkkkdkkkkkkkd, uses your current SV setup
01:54:863 - : D kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, increase SV by 0.01, 0.02 or 0.03 per circle.
02:42:863 - : kkdkddkdkkdkddkd, uses your current SV setup, you can keep your setup for the end of the kiai
And finally, for the last kiai, I think you can keep the streams the way they are right now. It's supposed to be the most intense part of the map, and the 1/6 accomplish that here. As for the other bits, they use different setups for each artist's part, similar to the finisher setup. Like this, your mapp will still be entertaining, even though it won't be worth as much.
I hope that was understandable and helpful at least. If you have any questions, please let me know!
Good luck.
Topic Starter
Thank for mod!!Zetera wrote:
Hello, I'm here for a m4m.
[General]
Please, get those (kkkd)d(kddk)d(kkkd)d out of here. You have better options that don't involve that pattern, not even necessarily 1/6!
These 1/8 doubles are also redundant!
I think it's important that you have different finisher patterns for each artist + the kasai part at the end. So far, you're using K D D for genki, K K K for Camellia, K K K for C-Show and K D D for Kasai. While this is a consistent pattern, I'd suggest you use D D K | K D K | K K D | K K K in this order.
[World Tour]
00:17:320 (84) - Please remove this circle to get the maximum emphasis out of the prior finisher. Consider it done uwu
Let's talk 1/6 in streams. The fact that you use the common 1/6 pattern used in the majority of pp maps, makes me think you based this map's entire existance on the premise that it will be worth pp. Does it really have to be this way? If you think that I might be right, I'd like to offer you some examples for streams that could very easily substitute the 1/6 pattern you got from other pp maps: Nope because what I said in our chat ;w;
00:36:692 - : kkddkkddkkkkkkkkk, uses your current SV setup, also used at 01:00:006 - . ^
01:31:549 - : dkkkdkkkdkkkkkkkd, uses your current SV setup ^
01:54:863 - : D kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, increase SV by 0.01, 0.02 or 0.03 per circle. ^
02:42:863 - : kkdkddkdkkdkddkd, uses your current SV setup, you can keep your setup for the end of the kiai ^
And finally, for the last kiai, I think you can keep the streams the way they are right now. It's supposed to be the most intense part of the map, and the 1/6 accomplish that here. As for the other bits, they use different setups for each artist's part, similar to the finisher setup. Like this, your mapp will still be entertaining, even though it won't be worth as much. I see
I hope that was understandable and helpful at least. If you have any questions, please let me know! Thanks for the mod!
Good luck.
Thank you for the DL link of the original World Tour who was much better in my opinion
Topic Starter
No Problem!Savoiyare wrote:
Thank you for the DL link of the original World Tour who was much better in my opinion
DeletedUser_1981781
Fist of all I'm going to say that I agree with almost every mod you received on this beatmap, and I think the new version is looking a lot better, the old one was fun and all but it lacked the quality standards and seemed rather "lazy" because you focused way too much on a constant flow pacing, as you let your feelings as a player surpass your feelings as a mapper, which made your map not suitable for rank.
Do not be discouraged because this doesn't mean it wasn't a good map, because ranked not necessarily means good, and vice-versa.
I'll be adressing mostly NON-SUBJECTIVE fundamental rhythm concerns
Notes you placed where there's no sound to justify them (I would delete ALL these):
00:12:349 -
00:15:092 -
00:17:835 -
00:39:606 -
00:43:635 -
00:50:577 -
00:54:606 -
01:34:463 -
01:35:835 -
01:39:606 -
01:41:320 -
stream part:
04:19:635 -
04:20:320 -
04:22:377 -
04:25:120 -
04:25:806 -
04:30:606 -
04:31:292 -
04:31:977 -
04:33:349 -
ending part:
04:43:977 -
04:45:349 -
04:46:720 -
04:48:092 -
04:49:635 -
04:49:806 -
04:49:977 -
04:54:949 -
04:56:320 -
Notes lacking where there are noticeable sounds (I would add all of these):
00:41:063 -
00:46:549 -
00:53:406 -
00:54:092 -
01:45:177 -
02:33:949 - No reason not to map this drum fill if you already did it the two first stances of the song
04:07:206 - same as above^
stream part:
04:18:949 -
04:21:692 -
04:24:435 -
04:26:835 -
04:27:006 -
04:27:692 -
04:28:377 -
04:29:920 -
04:32:663 -
04:35:235 -
Other stuff:
02:27:777 - You should make this into a spinner to be consistent with the first part
02:47:320 - move this dddk half beat backwards (to 02:47:149 -)
02:51:435 - same^
02:52:806 - same^
02:56:920 - move this dddk half beat forward (to 02:57:092 - ) and then put (02:56:749 - d) and (02:56:920 - k)
02:58:292 - move this dddk half beat backwads and then place a k here (02:58:463 - k)
03:01:720 - I know you wanted to map the stab sound here but it doesn't feel really good since it has a fade in effect, consider deleting this note.
03:02:406 - move this dddk half beat backwards
03:03:777 - same as above
All these "move dddk" where thought on moving the pattern to a place it can be justified instead being a "regular made up beat overmap", what I'm trying to take advantage of, is the synth growl sound.
Let's stick to the same sound same note and pitch principles here:
03:18:863 - change to k
03:20:235 - change to k
03:21:263 - change to d
03:21:949 - change to d
03:22:977 - change to k
03:24:349 - change to k
03:29:835 - change to k
03:32:235 - change to d
03:32:920 - change to d
03:33:949 - change to k
SV changes: Make these more noticeable please!
00:50:749 -
01:44:063 -
Note that Star Rating is not compromised in this mod, if you applied all changes it would still be 7.9~8*
Take care, and good luck with rank this time
Do not be discouraged because this doesn't mean it wasn't a good map, because ranked not necessarily means good, and vice-versa.
I'll be adressing mostly NON-SUBJECTIVE fundamental rhythm concerns
Notes you placed where there's no sound to justify them (I would delete ALL these):
00:12:349 -
00:15:092 -
00:17:835 -
00:39:606 -
00:43:635 -
00:50:577 -
00:54:606 -
01:34:463 -
01:35:835 -
01:39:606 -
01:41:320 -
stream part:
04:19:635 -
04:20:320 -
04:22:377 -
04:25:120 -
04:25:806 -
04:30:606 -
04:31:292 -
04:31:977 -
04:33:349 -
ending part:
04:43:977 -
04:45:349 -
04:46:720 -
04:48:092 -
04:49:635 -
04:49:806 -
04:49:977 -
04:54:949 -
04:56:320 -
Notes lacking where there are noticeable sounds (I would add all of these):
00:41:063 -
00:46:549 -
00:53:406 -
00:54:092 -
01:45:177 -
02:33:949 - No reason not to map this drum fill if you already did it the two first stances of the song
04:07:206 - same as above^
stream part:
04:18:949 -
04:21:692 -
04:24:435 -
04:26:835 -
04:27:006 -
04:27:692 -
04:28:377 -
04:29:920 -
04:32:663 -
04:35:235 -
Other stuff:
02:27:777 - You should make this into a spinner to be consistent with the first part
02:47:320 - move this dddk half beat backwards (to 02:47:149 -)
02:51:435 - same^
02:52:806 - same^
02:56:920 - move this dddk half beat forward (to 02:57:092 - ) and then put (02:56:749 - d) and (02:56:920 - k)
02:58:292 - move this dddk half beat backwads and then place a k here (02:58:463 - k)
03:01:720 - I know you wanted to map the stab sound here but it doesn't feel really good since it has a fade in effect, consider deleting this note.
03:02:406 - move this dddk half beat backwards
03:03:777 - same as above
All these "move dddk" where thought on moving the pattern to a place it can be justified instead being a "regular made up beat overmap", what I'm trying to take advantage of, is the synth growl sound.
Let's stick to the same sound same note and pitch principles here:
03:18:863 - change to k
03:20:235 - change to k
03:21:263 - change to d
03:21:949 - change to d
03:22:977 - change to k
03:24:349 - change to k
03:29:835 - change to k
03:32:235 - change to d
03:32:920 - change to d
03:33:949 - change to k
SV changes: Make these more noticeable please!
00:50:749 -
01:44:063 -
Note that Star Rating is not compromised in this mod, if you applied all changes it would still be 7.9~8*
Take care, and good luck with rank this time
Topic Starter
okARGENTINE DREAM wrote:
Fist of all I'm going to say that I agree with almost every mod you received on this beatmap, and I think the new version is looking a lot better, the old one was fun and all but it lacked the quality standards and seemed rather "lazy" because you focused way too much on a constant flow pacing, as you let your feelings as a player surpass your feelings as a mapper, which made your map not suitable for rank.
Do not be discouraged because this doesn't mean it wasn't a good map, because ranked not necessarily means good, and vice-versa.
I'll be adressing mostly NON-SUBJECTIVE fundamental rhythm concerns
Notes you placed where there's no sound to justify them (I would delete ALL these):
00:12:349 -
00:15:092 -
00:17:835 -
00:39:606 -
00:43:635 -
00:50:577 -
00:54:606 -
01:34:463 -
01:35:835 -
01:39:606 -
01:41:320 -
stream part:
04:19:635 -
04:20:320 -
04:22:377 -
04:25:120 -
04:25:806 -
04:30:606 -
04:31:292 -
04:31:977 -
04:33:349 -
ending part:
04:43:977 -
04:45:349 -
04:46:720 -
04:48:092 -
04:49:635 -
04:49:806 -
04:49:977 -
04:54:949 -
04:56:320 -
Notes lacking where there are noticeable sounds (I would add all of these):
00:41:063 -
00:46:549 -
00:53:406 -
00:54:092 -
01:45:177 -
02:33:949 - No reason not to map this drum fill if you already did it the two first stances of the song
04:07:206 - same as above^
stream part:
04:18:949 -
04:21:692 -
04:24:435 -
04:26:835 -
04:27:006 -
04:27:692 -
04:28:377 -
04:29:920 -
04:32:663 -
04:35:235 -
Other stuff:
02:27:777 - You should make this into a spinner to be consistent with the first part
02:47:320 - move this dddk half beat backwards (to 02:47:149 -)
02:51:435 - same^
02:52:806 - same^
02:56:920 - move this dddk half beat forward (to 02:57:092 - ) and then put (02:56:749 - d) and (02:56:920 - k)
02:58:292 - move this dddk half beat backwads and then place a k here (02:58:463 - k)
03:01:720 - I know you wanted to map the stab sound here but it doesn't feel really good since it has a fade in effect, consider deleting this note.
03:02:406 - move this dddk half beat backwards
03:03:777 - same as above
All these "move dddk" where thought on moving the pattern to a place it can be justified instead being a "regular made up beat overmap", what I'm trying to take advantage of, is the synth growl sound.
Let's stick to the same sound same note and pitch principles here:
03:18:863 - change to k
03:20:235 - change to k
03:21:263 - change to d
03:21:949 - change to d
03:22:977 - change to k
03:24:349 - change to k
03:29:835 - change to k
03:32:235 - change to d
03:32:920 - change to d
03:33:949 - change to k
SV changes: Make these more noticeable please!
00:50:749 -
01:44:063 -
Note that Star Rating is not compromised in this mod, if you applied all changes it would still be 7.9~8*
Take care, and good luck with rank this time
Topic Starter
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVulkin wrote:
I GOT MORE KUDOSU HERE YOU GO
YOU BETTER RANK THIS MATE
Edit: t/432695/start=0 is catching up
ya forgot to edit the map desc just sayin'
Topic Starter
FIXEDVulkin wrote:
ya forgot to edit the map desc just sayin'
overall map :
1.The density is high at some point. feel strange
2.but some point can add more note like here 00:43:635 (158) - 00:43:635 (158) -
3.it's not problem but some note is not match with merody or vocal
4.The stream does not start at some point.
5.The format looks unstable.
but don't worry it's still rankeble...or not?
1.The density is high at some point. feel strange
2.but some point can add more note like here 00:43:635 (158) - 00:43:635 (158) -
3.it's not problem but some note is not match with merody or vocal
4.The stream does not start at some point.
5.The format looks unstable.
but don't worry it's still rankeble...or not?
sale ese mod porque puedo, te tiro unos cuantos kudos tambien
00:09:777 (41,42) - sale un CTRL+G ahi? mas que nada para diferenciar 00:09:949 (42,43) - esas dos notas, el pitch es mucho mas alto en 00:10:292 (43) - esta, ademas, me parece que 00:09:777 (41) - el pitch de esa es mas alto que 00:09:949 (42) - la de esta.
00:32:492 - ahi escucho un beat, mepa que podrias poner una d ahi.
00:39:092 (108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115) - eso creo que quedaria mejor como k k k k dddk
00:41:063 - mandale una k ahi? ese beat es clarisimo.
00:42:777 (148,149) - CTRL+G en esas dos, sigue mejor esa parte, es mas consistente con lo que mapeaste en general en ese stream y ademas se juega mucho mejor.
00:46:549 - lo mismo aca, hay un beat muy audible. Te recomendaria hacer igual que en el stream anterior, poner 00:46:463 (188) - esta como k y añadir una k tambien, para ser consistente.
00:48:263 (207,208) - CTRL+G ahi tambien, same shit, consistencybois.
de 00:56:063 - aca hasta 00:58:463 - aca, hay MUCHOS beats que no mapeaste. Entiendo que no queres hacer TOOODO un solo stream hasta 01:01:377 - aca, pero podrias agregar mas notas en esa parte, hacer algunos streams de 5, 7, 9 notas.
01:05:835 (354) - esa es k, el cambio de pitch se empieza a hacer fuerte 01:06:006 - aca.
01:08:577 (363) - same as above.
01:12:349 (384,385,386) - por que hitsoundeaste esas tres notas al reves? venias hitsoundeando los mismos sonidos al reves antes, y despues de esa parte los hitsoundeas como venias haciendolo antes.
01:16:977 (401,402) - CTRL+G, el pitch es mas alto en 01:17:149 (402) - esa.
01:39:092 (546) - esa de ahi estoy bastante seguro que es una K.
01:39:263 (547,548) - considerando lo que mapeaste 01:38:577 (540,541,542,543,544,545) - ahi, esas dos deberian ser d.
02:04:977 (17,18) - CTRL+G a esas dos, ya lo mencione varias veces antes.
02:05:492 (19,20) - a esas dos mandales CTRL+G tambien, siguen mejor el pitch.
02:12:520 (50) - me parece que esa va mejor como d, para acentuar 02:12:692 (51) - esa nota.
02:27:777 - por que no pusiste un spinner ahi? lo hiciste 00:21:606 (1) - aca y lo hiciste 04:01:035 (1) - aca tambien, siendo todos esos sonidos lo mismo.
02:45:263 (233,234,235,236) - eso de ahi me parece que suena mejor como kk d k.
02:55:721 (323,324,325,326) - CTRL+G ahi? sigue mejor el pitch.
03:06:692 (410,411,412,413) - proba con kk d d.
03:07:206 (414) - si aplicas el cambio de arriba, para diferenciar con las notas anteriores y para acentuar esa nota tambien, te recomendaria que la hagas una k.
04:10:120 (35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43) - este stream deberia terminar 04:10:635 (41) - aca, 04:10:720 (42) - esa nota no tiene beat en la cual estar mapeada. Te recomendaria que la saques a esa y que hagas 04:10:635 (41) - esta nota una k.
Y listo, hay algunos hitsounds aparte que yo le cambiaria, pero eso es mapper's choice, el mapa en si esta bastante bueno, lo unico que me molesta es que ya no esten los 1/6 largos, pero bueno, la gente prefiere pp antes que true song mapping. Esto esta muy lindo man, mandale que esto entra a rank very soon.
00:09:777 (41,42) - sale un CTRL+G ahi? mas que nada para diferenciar 00:09:949 (42,43) - esas dos notas, el pitch es mucho mas alto en 00:10:292 (43) - esta, ademas, me parece que 00:09:777 (41) - el pitch de esa es mas alto que 00:09:949 (42) - la de esta.
00:32:492 - ahi escucho un beat, mepa que podrias poner una d ahi.
00:39:092 (108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115) - eso creo que quedaria mejor como k k k k dddk
00:41:063 - mandale una k ahi? ese beat es clarisimo.
00:42:777 (148,149) - CTRL+G en esas dos, sigue mejor esa parte, es mas consistente con lo que mapeaste en general en ese stream y ademas se juega mucho mejor.
00:46:549 - lo mismo aca, hay un beat muy audible. Te recomendaria hacer igual que en el stream anterior, poner 00:46:463 (188) - esta como k y añadir una k tambien, para ser consistente.
00:48:263 (207,208) - CTRL+G ahi tambien, same shit, consistencybois.
de 00:56:063 - aca hasta 00:58:463 - aca, hay MUCHOS beats que no mapeaste. Entiendo que no queres hacer TOOODO un solo stream hasta 01:01:377 - aca, pero podrias agregar mas notas en esa parte, hacer algunos streams de 5, 7, 9 notas.
01:05:835 (354) - esa es k, el cambio de pitch se empieza a hacer fuerte 01:06:006 - aca.
01:08:577 (363) - same as above.
01:12:349 (384,385,386) - por que hitsoundeaste esas tres notas al reves? venias hitsoundeando los mismos sonidos al reves antes, y despues de esa parte los hitsoundeas como venias haciendolo antes.
01:16:977 (401,402) - CTRL+G, el pitch es mas alto en 01:17:149 (402) - esa.
01:39:092 (546) - esa de ahi estoy bastante seguro que es una K.
01:39:263 (547,548) - considerando lo que mapeaste 01:38:577 (540,541,542,543,544,545) - ahi, esas dos deberian ser d.
02:04:977 (17,18) - CTRL+G a esas dos, ya lo mencione varias veces antes.
02:05:492 (19,20) - a esas dos mandales CTRL+G tambien, siguen mejor el pitch.
02:12:520 (50) - me parece que esa va mejor como d, para acentuar 02:12:692 (51) - esa nota.
02:27:777 - por que no pusiste un spinner ahi? lo hiciste 00:21:606 (1) - aca y lo hiciste 04:01:035 (1) - aca tambien, siendo todos esos sonidos lo mismo.
02:45:263 (233,234,235,236) - eso de ahi me parece que suena mejor como kk d k.
02:55:721 (323,324,325,326) - CTRL+G ahi? sigue mejor el pitch.
03:06:692 (410,411,412,413) - proba con kk d d.
03:07:206 (414) - si aplicas el cambio de arriba, para diferenciar con las notas anteriores y para acentuar esa nota tambien, te recomendaria que la hagas una k.
04:10:120 (35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43) - este stream deberia terminar 04:10:635 (41) - aca, 04:10:720 (42) - esa nota no tiene beat en la cual estar mapeada. Te recomendaria que la saques a esa y que hagas 04:10:635 (41) - esta nota una k.
Y listo, hay algunos hitsounds aparte que yo le cambiaria, pero eso es mapper's choice, el mapa en si esta bastante bueno, lo unico que me molesta es que ya no esten los 1/6 largos, pero bueno, la gente prefiere pp antes que true song mapping. Esto esta muy lindo man, mandale que esto entra a rank very soon.
Topic Starter
Cocoaaa wrote:
overall map :
1.The density is high at some point. feel strange
2.but some point can add more note like here 00:43:635 (158) - 00:43:635 (158) -
3.it's not problem but some note is not match with merody or vocal
4.The stream does not start at some point.
5.The format looks unstable.
but don't worry it's still rankeble...or not?
ok thx
Topic Starter
te odio, siempre te aplico todo. 1000 kds para este men pls.whosthebox wrote:
sale ese mod porque puedo, te tiro unos cuantos kudos tambien
00:09:777 (41,42) - sale un CTRL+G ahi? mas que nada para diferenciar 00:09:949 (42,43) - esas dos notas, el pitch es mucho mas alto en 00:10:292 (43) - esta, ademas, me parece que 00:09:777 (41) - el pitch de esa es mas alto que 00:09:949 (42) - la de esta. aplicado ><
00:32:492 - ahi escucho un beat, mepa que podrias poner una d ahi. aplicado ><
00:39:092 (108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115) - eso creo que quedaria mejor como k k k k dddk aplicado ><
00:41:063 - mandale una k ahi? ese beat es clarisimo. aplicado ><
00:42:777 (148,149) - CTRL+G en esas dos, sigue mejor esa parte, es mas consistente con lo que mapeaste en general en ese stream y ademas se juega mucho mejor. aplicado ><
00:46:549 - lo mismo aca, hay un beat muy audible. Te recomendaria hacer igual que en el stream anterior, poner 00:46:463 (188) - esta como k y añadir una k tambien, para ser consistente. aplicado ><
00:48:263 (207,208) - CTRL+G ahi tambien, same shit, consistencybois. aplicado ><
de 00:56:063 - aca hasta 00:58:463 - aca, hay MUCHOS beats que no mapeaste. Entiendo que no queres hacer TOOODO un solo stream hasta 01:01:377 - aca, pero podrias agregar mas notas en esa parte, hacer algunos streams de 5, 7, 9 notas. aplicado ><
01:05:835 (354) - esa es k, el cambio de pitch se empieza a hacer fuerte 01:06:006 - aca. aplicado ><
01:08:577 (363) - same as above. aplicado ><
01:12:349 (384,385,386) - por que hitsoundeaste esas tres notas al reves? venias hitsoundeando los mismos sonidos al reves antes, y despues de esa parte los hitsoundeas como venias haciendolo antes. Fixee toda esa sección
01:16:977 (401,402) - CTRL+G, el pitch es mas alto en 01:17:149 (402) - esa. aplicado ><
01:39:092 (546) - esa de ahi estoy bastante seguro que es una K. aplicado ><
01:39:263 (547,548) - considerando lo que mapeaste 01:38:577 (540,541,542,543,544,545) - ahi, esas dos deberian ser d. aplicado ><
02:04:977 (17,18) - CTRL+G a esas dos, ya lo mencione varias veces antes. aplicado ><
02:05:492 (19,20) - a esas dos mandales CTRL+G tambien, siguen mejor el pitch. aplicado ><
02:12:520 (50) - me parece que esa va mejor como d, para acentuar 02:12:692 (51) - esa nota. aplicado ><
02:27:777 - por que no pusiste un spinner ahi? lo hiciste 00:21:606 (1) - aca y lo hiciste 04:01:035 (1) - aca tambien, siendo todos esos sonidos lo mismo. LA PUTA QUE ME PARIO SOY RE PELOTUDO
02:45:263 (233,234,235,236) - eso de ahi me parece que suena mejor como kk d k. aplicado ><
02:55:721 (323,324,325,326) - CTRL+G ahi? sigue mejor el pitch. aplicado ><
03:06:692 (410,411,412,413) - proba con kk d d. aplicado ><
03:07:206 (414) - si aplicas el cambio de arriba, para diferenciar con las notas anteriores y para acentuar esa nota tambien, te recomendaria que la hagas una k. aplicado ><
04:10:120 (35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43) - este stream deberia terminar 04:10:635 (41) - aca, 04:10:720 (42) - esa nota no tiene beat en la cual estar mapeada. Te recomendaria que la saques a esa y que hagas 04:10:635 (41) - esta nota una k. aplicado ><
Y listo, hay algunos hitsounds aparte que yo le cambiaria, pero eso es mapper's choice, el mapa en si esta bastante bueno, lo unico que me molesta es que ya no esten los 1/6 largos, pero bueno, la gente prefiere pp antes que true song mapping. Esto esta muy lindo man, mandale que esto entra a rank very soon. aplicado VERY SOON AMIGO ><
i like reading all these spanish posts because it really emphasizes how much spanish i actually know lol
Topic Starter
go awayincandescence wrote:
i like reading all these spanish posts because it really emphasizes how much spanish i actually know lol