[ Drop ] wrote:

elsword bg <_>

DTM9 Nowa wrote:

02:38:276 (3) - 02:49:310 (3) - You could NC stuff like this just to make the patterning little bit more clarified ok

Also stuff like this 02:35:172 (3,4) - to clarify the SV multiplier changes because leaving the players uninformed will just fuck up their attempt to clear the map and make them sceptical about what SV multiplier you are about to pull next. This 02:38:620 (1,2) - is a good example of it because the 2 is about twice as fast as the 1 and there is literally no way to tell from the melody for example that there is that kind of a SV multiplier change so they will most likely think that the 2 is just bit longer but same speed. Though this kind 02:51:034 (1,2,3,4) - of SV multiplier changing may not need to be represented by a NC because the patterning shows the way that the next sliders are going to be so in my books they are an exception
im not sure but i thought you still can notice because there is a tick.

02:59:137 (3,1,1) - I'm not the right person to judge this but just fyi some people may disagree with stacking like this ok

03:57:758 - Same thing as before (see the suggestion about adding a slider to the break to get rid of the emptiness w/o getting overmapped) ok

Lassikko wrote:

02:47:414 (2) - move 1px up to fix blanket it makes these sweet.
02:48:103 (2) - ^^ ^
03:44:741 (3) - 1px down ^

WhytFng wrote:

02:55:172 (1) - i hate to be 'that guy' but this is tilting my "burai meter"... if using high sv, i suggest making sliderpath more clear -- otherwise, lower sv to use this indistinct shape. i love the art, though... this is too much of a leap for me. players would have to have played the map at least once to know about this huge sv change, and that could ruin a play for some if they broke here. ok

03:56:379 (1) - um, what? map is moving way too fast to even know that this was bent... could you just make sv half as much and make this so much simpler please (remove end tick, make straight)umm but i wanna just emphasize noise sound.

Vell wrote:

1. 02:53:620 (7) - make this slider flow visually better into the next one for example changed
2. 02:59:310 (1) - Im fairly convinced this is impossible to sightread for the vast majority of players, had to look it up twice in the editor to not break here because I kept wanting to click 02:59:482 - this note as well since its pretty much impossible to see this as a 1/2 slider. I suggest stacking it with 02:58:965 (2) - ,makes it much more readable and keeps the aesthetic ok

ProfessionalBox wrote:

hitsounding by Xilver

Ephemeral wrote:

Simply exceptional.

DTM9 Nowa wrote:

There are few SV multiplier changes that could be represented by a NC like this one 01:23:103 (2) - in the Bonzi's (?) part changed 01:22:758 (1) - to be 2.00x so this doesn't apply anymore


01:45:172 - I can somewhat relate to what you are trying to achieve with this break but tbh it kinda still feels like there could be something instead of... well just emptiness like for example these 01:45:344 - 01:45:431 - (maybe this 01:45:517 - aswell because there is sort of a hold sound on this one 01:45:431 - ) could for example be mapped under a 1/4 slider. It would get rid of the feeling of emptiness without getting overmapped crammed another slider in there

WhytFng wrote:

01:36:379 (4,1) - awkward flow transition, 01:35:000 (2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4) - implies VERY strong ccw flow and makes this jump weird to play (hard to tell flow direction). however, since flow change does occur in an earlier combo during this section, maybe something like [this] would be easier to see while preserving feel of large distance the whole thing's a mess honestly, and even if the idea was that of a continuous circular flow, the overall movement of the pattern is still quite restrictive and cramped. Eugh. Remade into something less painful to go through.

lazyboy007 wrote:

1. 01:44:310 (1,2,3) - spaced triplet like here aren't used as much as stacked ones like here 01:40:172 (1,2,3) - I don't feel a difference in intensity, yet you mapped it differently. This applies on the second kiai too, I feel like it's mapped somewhat inconsistently. 03:48:275 (3,4,1) - this as an example, a truly spaced triple here would fit wonderfully, 03:56:724 (1,2,3) - same here. ehhh yet i feel somewhat of a difference in intensity between the two. The first is subtle but still quite hearable, while the second one is even backed up by vocals. Changed anyway, wasn't 100% happy with it

Ponoyoshi wrote:

This is the best map I've ever seen so far

ProfessionalBox wrote:

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 24 November 2017 at 16:12:07

Artist: MitiS
Title: Living Color (Dezpot Remix)
Tags: collab collaboration -tochi xilver neurofunk drum and bass dubstep wub dnb rrtyui bonzi byfar probox
BPM: 174
Filesize: 29173kb
Play Time: 05:16
Difficulties Available:

1. Vividness (5.91 stars, 1168 notes)

Download: MitiS - Living Color (Dezpot Remix)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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ProfessionalBox , Bonzi , byfar and rrtyui
Storyboard by -Tochi
they mapped wubs and wobs

hitsounding by Xilver

1. soft-hitwhistle2.wav is reporting a hitsound delay, but i checked the files and can't seem to find one? if you can find a better version of the .wav i'd suggest replacing it in case
2. 03:02:341 - 03:20:100 - unsnapped green lines lol

1. this isn't really my expertise but i noticed a few things (i think?) that felt really off
2. 01:17:241 (1) - to 01:22:758 (1) - i'm not sure if this is an error or not, but it looks like the storyboard isn't really following the map completely accurately?
3. 03:03:965 (1) - to 03:18:620 (1) - yeah here too? it looks really off here
4. 03:24:137 (1) - to 03:35:172 (1) - a few of the storyboard parts don't look like they're following the map properly, and it also looks like some of the colours are off? map uses a pink/blue aesthetic but storyboard is using a purple/pink aesthetic, doesn't strike me as right.. again i can't be too 100% sure cause storyboarding isn't my expertise but it looks considerably off to other similar parts
5. 03:35:172 (1) - to 04:02:068 (3) - map uses a blue/yellow aesthetic but storyboard uses a blue/light blue aesthetic? doesn't seem intentional since the colour scheme of previous similar parts seemed to match the map. also a few parts on the storyboard that don't match the map

1. 00:30:258 - there appears to be another drum sound here. personally think it would be a good idea to map it since it sounds really close to the hitnormal you chose to use for the intro
2. 00:48:793 (3) - maybe stack this with 00:48:965 (4) - would look a bit nicer imo, but if you want to differentiate between synths and vocals then i understand why it's mapped the way it is
3. 01:16:724 (3) - why is this snapped to 1/12 you're missing the very obvious sound on the blue tick
4. 01:21:982 - missed dnb beat; this one is really apparent so i highly recommend you map to it (if anything you could make 01:21:896 (2) - a 1/4 slider or something)

1. 01:24:655 (3) - i actually kind of expected this slider to be a bit more like 01:30:172 (2) - 01:35:689 (1) - 01:41:206 (1) - etc.

1. 02:35:862 (1,1,1) - personally think it would be a better idea to bring out the slider end a bit more to help with readability, especially for the last one 02:36:551 (1) - ; slider end is kind of hard to make out
2. 02:40:862 (1,2,3) - maybe increase SV and space it out a bit more? looks a little cluttered
3. 02:44:827 (1) - try double repeat slider? i think it would work more effectively than single repeat

1. 03:06:551 (1) - this shouldn't be a circle slider; it sounds fundamentally different from 03:06:724 (1,1,1,1) - so having the same slider shape just strikes me as really odd

melloe wrote:

bonzi
04:27:586 (1) - there is a very heavy low-roaring sound here, as well as 04:33:103 (1,2) - here. on my first playthrough i was kind of disappointed to not see those sounds expressed, since a similar sound was expressed very well at 02:24:137 (1) - which is probably one of my favorite parts of the map. for 04:27:586 (1) - i would suggest two higher-SV 1/2 sliders, then some circles to express the "heaven with" syllables. then for 04:33:103 (1,2) - i'd suggest similarly kicking up the SV for those two sliders just a bit. just out of personal preference, i'd prefer it to remain calm, sorry.

01:35:000 (2,3) - i dont think anything really calls for a double that faces away from the next slider. adds a type of psychological stress that isn't seen in the rest of that section. seems a little out of place, but not that big of a deal stacked

NeilPerry wrote:

Bonzi:
01:31:379 (2) - not sure abt offscreen but better for move it some pixels right. i checked it in 4:3 it seems offscreen very little fixed
01:36:206 (2,2) - as u did b4, mby stack with angle shape perfectly? https://puu.sh/ysqEQ/5a10a80909.jpg sure
04:19:655 (2) - NC for big sv gap? yea

Doormat wrote:

[Bonzi]

1. 01:24:655 (3) - i actually kind of expected this slider to be a bit more like 01:30:172 (2) - 01:35:689 (1) - 01:41:206 (1) - etc.

ehhh not really because the 01:22:758 - sequence has a sightly different focus in objects than the other ones, since a part of the music has yet to fade away.

Doormat wrote:

[General]
soft-hitwhistle2.wav is reporting a hitsound delay, but i checked the files and can't seem to find one? if you can find a better version of the .wav i'd suggest replacing it in case ok
03:02:341 - 03:20:100 - unsnapped green lines lol fixed

[Storyboard]
Everything about storyboard will be fixed now that the map will be bubble ready after your check (we purposefully left it unfixed since it would have been extra effort to fix it after every mod apply)

[ProBox]
00:30:258 - there appears to be another drum sound here. personally think it would be a good idea to map it since it sounds really close to the hitnormal you chose to use for the intro Meh I don't think this needs mapping, would feel really awkward in the context of the whole part
00:48:793 (3) - maybe stack this with 00:48:965 (4) - would look a bit nicer imo, but if you want to differentiate between synths and vocals then i understand why it's mapped the way it is changed this around
01:16:724 (3) - why is this snapped to 1/12 you're missing the very obvious sound on the blue tick accident
01:21:982 - missed dnb beat; this one is really apparent so i highly recommend you map to it (if anything you could make 01:21:896 (2) - a 1/4 slider or something) did a compromise by adding 2x of those sliders


[rrtyui]
02:35:862 (1,1,1) - personally think it would be a better idea to bring out the slider end a bit more to help with readability, especially for the last one sure i guess
02:40:862 (1,2,3) - maybe increase SV and space it out a bit more? looks a little cluttered can do
02:44:827 (1) - try double repeat slider? i think it would work more effectively than single repeat ye

[byfar]
03:06:551 (1) - this shouldn't be a circle slider; it sounds fundamentally different from 03:06:724 (1,1,1,1) - so having the same slider shape just strikes me as really odd

byfar reply

ok do what you need to

Apraxia wrote:

ok sorry but im triggered
https://i.imgur.com/wpgV0tr.png what is tHIS? it doesnt look like the backgroud at all

Nathan wrote:

ProfessionalBox wrote:

took me a while to remember context LOL

idke wrote:

ProfessionalBox wrote:

took me a while to remember context LOL

aspire????

Monstrata wrote:

reply to mir i'll lend you my circlejerk

Mir wrote:

sorry to be the erection killer

imo that intro is just way too intense for the song and byfar's part is too much of a diffspike compared to the rest of the map in terms of spacing/concepts introduced (mainly the 1/8 snaps feel really out of place and the 1/4 spacing is literally multiple times more difficult than any 1/4 spacing used in any other parts)



Vividness:
i'm partially popping for this:
- 00:13:620 (4,1) - same spacing as 00:14:137 (3,1) - almost but nowhere near as much power in the song, would reduce the first
- 00:14:827 (4,5,1) - here uh im not really sure why this is so highly spaced, sounds the same as 00:14:310 (1,2,3) -
- 00:15:172 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - a slight pitch increase really does warrant such a drastic change in spacing imo, this is consistently 8x-11x with the sv you have
which isn't really saying much but the difference between that and the normal 5x spacing you had for jumps before is a little excessive
- 00:20:689 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - here the spacing is fairly reasonable again compared to before but the part before is the same as this one so ?_? im still not entirely sure what your spacing concept for the intro is, it seems fairly random to me but i'd like an explanation to this

the whole intro spacing is like... really high, and the song is really soft here. I think nerfs are in order

For Probox's spacing it's a little too high as well imo (but miles more reasonable), so not really helping the case that much, but byfar's intro part is really excessive compared to Probox's even.

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- 00:38:965 (2) - expected this to end on white in play since there's nothing at all on the blue and there's clearly audible melody that the whole intro focused on so it really threw me off that you ignored it here
- 00:49:482 - not sure why nothing's here when there's the same sound as 00:48:793 - ? transitions actually better into 00:49:655 (1) - imo

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i'm partially popping for this:
- 01:00:689 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - really like i can barely hear this stream yet there's streamjumps and cross-screen 1/4 sliderjumps.. 01:03:448 - where i can ACTUALLY hear the stream it's just repeats??

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- 01:14:482 (1,1,2) - imo ctrl+g 01:14:827 (1,2) - individually and get a lot nicer flow from 01:14:482 (1) - since right now you have to make quite a snappy movement that doesn't really feel too nice
- 01:17:241 (1,2) - for an intermittent calm part this jump seems out of place, would reduce to this or something https://i.imgur.com/slFMapi.png
- 02:00:862 (1) - really strong sound on 02:01:206 - that gets skipped and imo would be much nicer on the slidertail, would also release as the song does to emphasize 02:01:379 -
- 02:17:758 (3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - it's nice but it's so much more difficult to aim these than anything else in this section and this is like the calmest part of the song. Later you do 02:24:827 (1,2,1,2) - which fits a lot more despite there being the wub in the back where circles could have fit. I suggest making this part a little less spaced since that's the main thing that feels excessive aka 02:19:137 (2,1) - is too much spacing for basically no emphatic sounds

i'm partially popping for this:
- 02:40:862 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - okay what is this even mapping? this doesn't exist in the song and is like 90% just made up rhythm.
- 02:52:413 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - again just for hihats? streamjumps into an accelerating stream that ends in a spaced stream? I don't think this is appropriate for the intensity here

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i'm mainly popping for this:
- 03:04:827 (1,1) - this imo is kind of unfair to introduce 3 minutes into the song especially without any prior arrangements similar to this. It's really hard to read and expect and being snapped to 3/8 makes this even more unintuitive to play since if you release too early you drop the slider end. Similar could be said for 03:04:267 - which doesn't really feel necessary to extend to 1/8 at all except to make the slider look longer.
- 03:06:896 (1,1,1) - since the decreasing pitch noise starts here it would be nice if 03:06:551 (1,1) - were patterned differently in a way to make them stand out. Also I'm not sure why the spacing is increasing while the pitch decreases, seems a little backwards in that respect
- 03:07:586 - this part seems a little intense for an intermission section especially with patterns like 03:09:137 (2,3,1) - 03:09:655 (2,1,2,3,1) - 03:11:724 (1,2,1,1,1,1,1) - almost harder in parts than the actual kiai sections, would recommend nerf
- 03:11:724 (1,2,1) - flows REALLY weirdly, the wide angle 1/4 jump is kinda ew so maybe ctrl+g 03:12:068 (1) - or something like that to have sharper entry into the slider

overall though byfar's part is a massive difficulty spike not only in concepts introduced but in spacing overall - we see patterns like 03:14:827 (1,2,1,2,1) - 03:13:103 (1,2,3,4,1) - 03:11:724 (1,2,1,1,1,1,1) - 03:18:534 (1,1) - that flow all over the screen and don't really fit in with the difficulty that was mapped before and even after this part. Probox seems to have tried to make his part more difficult to compensate but it doesn't feel sufficient enough

the 1/4 spacing too, like compare the spacing in byfar 03:08:965 (1,2,3,1) - 03:11:982 (2,1) - 03:18:448 (1,1,1) - /rrtyui's part (this 02:52:413 - ) to stuff like 01:01:982 (4,1) - 01:35:000 (2,3,1) - 01:47:844 (2,1) - it just doesn't match up when compared to the rest of the map.

- 03:16:206 (1) - this seems really burai like... i would change this to be safe lol

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- 03:26:896 (1,1,2) - this is really out of the blue as a pattern, afaik you only hide sliders like this once in the whole map and that's here, so i don't see this being very fitting given how it was mapped overall. I think a partial overlap or something would be fine but not perfectly overlapping
- 03:28:965 (1,2,1,2) - similar to byfar, pitch is decreasing but spacing is increasing, seems a bit backwards for a winding-down feeling part
- 03:30:517 (1,2,1,2) - spacing is a bit weird here, first 1,2 is 1/2 and second is 1/4, yet the 1/4 is spaced further. I think there's a stream sort of thing unmapped at 03:30:775 - so maybe triple here would fix that? or https://i.imgur.com/3rGDd0s.png etc something to fix the gap thing

- 03:35:948 - there's actually a triple here with the wubs that might be cool to map if you wanted
- 03:36:206 (2,3,1) - 1 seems really low spacing compared to everything else here, would be nice to get more spacing like the other patterns

overall going to place a veto on this for now since I don't agree with how the intro is spaced and the snaps/sv contrast is introduced in byfar's part. It feels like playing a completely different map when you get to his part. While it's a collab, there should still be some continuity or consistent difficulty/concepts but his part imo breaks it entirely, not to mention the stacking/overlaps that see more usage there than everywhere else

If you want to talk this out you know where to find me. I'm open to discuss this provided the reasoning is sufficient, I'm not here to cockblock the map entirely since it does have its merits - but the points above that I'm popping for I cannot agree with as of now.

I was following this map for a while, hoping these things would get fixed or modded out somehow but apparently not, so when I saw it bubbled I decided to say something about it.