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Mentholzzz
I think the song name should be "Dement ~after Legend~" instead
Source : this and this
also, maybe add Arcaea in tags since, this song also appear in that game too.

Nice map btw
Aruel

Mentholzzz wrote:

I think the song name should be "Dement ~after Legend~" instead
Source : this and this
also, maybe add Arcaea in tags since, this song also appear in that game too.

Nice map btw


Both are right

had some discussion with Vampir and he decided to add tags with qualify check
Enon
LOL even the second source Mentholzzz mentioned is saying it's "A"fter.
Asherz007
Snap discrepancies forcing me to pop for now, apologies about that.

Kinda really bothers me how evening's difficulty uses completely different hitsounding... whatever. I like the hitsounds on EX better lol

o!m needs more truly hard charts anyway, so it's not like this would be a veto or anything.

I'll start with where the issue lies and then work my way backwards.

Nice beegees tho

1|2|3|4

Evening's EX
My god you're trying to kill us all with this crazy odhp + SVs xD
If you would be so kind as to be a little more merciful with everyone and change it to something along the lines of od8.8 hp9? Pretty please?

Man, making me look in the .osu file to check dem SVs lul

Also in general, I feel like you're trying to force the SVs in before these 1/8 LN quads, and I don't really feel that this works in tandem with the nature of the song (like the ones at 01:18:694, where there physically isn't anything to warrant any SVs being there at all), so I'll bring up the suggestion to remove these few.

kiai section also feels like it's missing quite a few soft-hitclaps (the kick hitsound)

  1. 00:15:272 (15272|1) - Could move to 1 for stack on high-pitched piano
  2. 00:25:414 (25414|1) - Would've thought there'd be one more note here for the quiet perc just to differentiate it a little.
  3. 00:26:842 (26842|1) - ^
  4. 00:27:413 (27413|3,27985|2) - ^
  5. 00:32:556 (32556|3,32842|2,32842|1,32842|0) - Gonna challenge the LN ends here. I can't really hear anything that short to prove these LNs' shortness, so to speak. The earliest thing I can hear finishing is at 00:32:949, so if there's something I'm not hearing, please enlighten me.
  6. 00:35:413 (35413|1,35413|2,35841|0,35841|1) - Accenting these with LNs without accenting the other string bursts beforehand looks a little odd to me. Up to you how to change, but looks like an inconsistency as it stands.
  7. 00:37:555 - Missing hitsound perhaps?
  8. 00:45:412 (45412|3,45412|1) - Would like a mini LN here for that piano, like you were doing earlier
  9. 00:46:269 (46269|3) - here too maybe
  10. 00:46:055 - I can hear a sound evidently present on this 1/4, so I'm a little worried about you 1/6'ing over this.
  11. 00:54:030 (54030|1,54078|2,54459|3,54506|2) - Quite a prominent 1/4 snare running through this one, so I'm pretty sure this isn't ok.
  12. 00:57:268 (57268|3) - Pretty sure this is a ghost note
  13. 01:09:338 (69338|2) - There's a kick here, so if you can make this a double. At least put a hitsound on it.
  14. 01:16:480 (76480|2,76480|0) - I'd rather this be a double OH minijack, but there's loads about, so your call.
  15. 01:23:694 (83694|2,83694|1,83694|0) - Thought it would've made more sense for this to be a quad? (given that these LN quads are meant to be representing the same thing, this feels odd not to have the quad here too)
  16. 01:24:265 (84265|1,84265|2) - There's no kick here, so I'm not too sure why this one's a double.
  17. 01:26:265 (86265|3,86265|0) - ^
  18. 01:28:122 (88122|2) - Double here?
  19. 01:32:836 (92836|2,92836|3) - Quad or no? (cymbal crash)
  20. 01:48:549 (108549|0,108549|2,108549|1,108549|3) - there's no cymbal crash here which kinda makes this quad completely redundant.
  21. 01:51:120 (111120|2,111120|3) - Maybe a quad for this though?
Fun to play, just a couple of snap discrepancies I can imagine quite a few people would complain about.

Hitsounds on all the other diffs are also inconsistent with each other, which is a little bit odd (did everyone do their own hitsounds?). Also hitsounds are far too quiet (basically inaudible), so I recommend bumping up to these values:
  1. soft-hitclap: 70%
  2. soft-hitfinish: 100% (just about audible)
  3. soft-hitclap2: Here it is again about 15dB louder because at the moment it's just way too quiet no matter what volume you have it at. Just drop it in the folder, remaining at 40% with that link above appears to work fine.
SHD
This difficulty feels crazily spiky. I think the awkwardness just comes out of having LNs with such dense patterns, and it's not really that nice to play.

Also I feel the odhp is too lenient, so I recommend increase to od8.5 hp8.5.

  1. 00:32:842 (32842|1,32842|2) - Would probably make these 1/4 shorter to match where the one sound ends. (since you're trying to cover to sounds with these and it's not really working that well.)
  2. 00:42:269 (42269|2,42269|3,42269|0,42269|1) - How come quad/2 LNs here?
  3. 00:46:055 - There's a sound present on the 1/4, so a 1/6 pattern over this isn't really a good idea. Also not really a big fan of the really awkward directional changes here either. If there's anything that you can do to alleviate the strain, I recommend you do so.
  4. 00:46:554 (46554|0,46554|3,46554|1,46697|2,46697|1,46697|0) - Feel like these are unnecessarily triples. Any reason why they are that way?
  5. 00:49:983 (49983|2) - +note in col 1 for kick
  6. 00:51:411 (51411|3,51411|0,51411|2) - only a kick here so double here will do
  7. 00:53:768 (53768|2,53840|3,53911|2,53982|1,54054|0,54089|1) - Not really a fan of the one-hand trill movement going on here, especially with the changing snaps. It develops a little bit too much strain in cols 2 and 3. Might want to rearrange this slightly.
  8. 00:54:839 (54839|3,54839|0,54839|1,54982|1,54982|2) - not sure why these chords are different sizes for equally intense sounds in the music.
  9. 01:05:124 (65124|3,65124|1,65124|0) - Feel like triple here might be a little overkill given your current layering here.
  10. 01:10:838 (70838|1,70838|3,70909|0,70981|1,70981|3,71052|2,71124|1,71124|3,71195|0,71266|1,71266|3,71338|2) - Kinda uncomfortable. I know you want emphasis on those snares, but I'd switch to a more "traditional" js burst (like [24]3[12]4[13]2 etc)
  11. 01:16:694 (76694|2,76694|3) - Why double here? Layering would suggest just the LN here.
  12. 01:20:408 (80408|3,81123|0,81694|3,81980|2) - I feel like the LNs are "getting in the way", so to speak. With only the 3 remaining columns to use, this becomes overly difficult, thus a spike of sorts. Replacing the LNs with SNs and repatterning would significantly reduce the strain here.
  13. 01:22:480 - What happened to hitsounds?
  14. 01:27:408 (87408|2,87408|3) - Why a double here?
  15. 01:30:979 (90979|3,91050|0,91122|1,91122|2,91122|3,91193|0,91265|2,91265|3,91336|0,91407|1,91407|2,91407|3) - Might want to move some of this about so that the OH trill moves back to the right hand, since I feel in its current state it's a little bit too long to be in one hand.
  16. 01:31:943 (91943|1,91979|0) - Dunno whether you'd wanna to swap these two around for the simple roll. Up to you.
  17. 01:35:407 (95407|0,95407|1) - Why double?
  18. 01:41:406 (101406|0) - I'd probably sacrifice this LN to have the more accurate triple for the crash at 01:41:692.
  19. 01:47:120 (107120|3,107192|2) - needs hitsounds
  20. 01:47:263 (107263|1,107977|2,108263|0,108549|3,109691|0) - Again, I feel these LNs are making this burst section far more difficult than it needs to be. Suggest removing and repatterning, like last time.

Fontes' HD
Would buff HP to 8. (based on whether the SHD odhp changes but whatever lol)

  1. 00:16:986 (16986|0,17129|0,18700|3,18843|3,18986|0,19129|0) - not quite sure of the sudden swap to using these short minijacks here. It's a nice idea, but it doesn't appear to be used consistently. Ideally, you either make all of the 1/2 consecutive jumps like this or not at all (would choose the first option myself). Ultimately up to you though.
  2. 00:36:698 (36698|2,36698|3) - missing hitsounds
  3. 00:37:413 (37413|2,37413|1,37555|1,37555|2) - Not sure why it's a double minijack here, since there's a slight change between the first and second double. Could go for something like [23][24][134] here (and properly layering the crash).
  4. 00:47:126 (47126|0,47126|2,47126|3) - Wait, how come there's a sudden switch to triples here? I mean as an idea it's not an issue, it's more the problem that you aren't able to consistency layer them as triples given that this is an HD.
  5. 00:53:982 - hitsounds missing?
  6. 01:26:265 (86265|3,86551|0) - Struggling to figure out what these are mapped to, given 01:25:694 (85694|3,85836|0).
Other than that it's pretty neatly constructed. Like it.

Sora's NM
Not much here at all...

  1. 00:51:983 - Feel like you should map this sound, given 00:53:125 (53125|3) exists.
  2. 01:55:119 - You could cap the LN here since there is a definite kick-ish sound here.

EZ
  1. 00:19:414 (19414|2,19414|1) - Feels like a double with little reasoning, other than something like "new phrase". I wouldn't, given that no other difficulty has anything more than a single here.
  2. 01:13:123 (73123|2,73123|1,73695|3,73695|0) - Would've thought these would be LNs?
  3. 01:22:123 (82123|1,83122|2) - Would make these 1/2 shorter to go with where the strings end.
  4. 01:38:692 - Feel like you should map this, given 01:36:407 (96407|0).
  5. 01:49:120 (109120|1) - Personally feel the more important sound is 1/2 earlier, so I suggest moving this note there.

Took a little while, but there you go.
Reminder that this is an objective pop; issues do need to be addressed.

Call me back whenever everyone's done. (hopefully I haven't died by then lol)
Evening

Asherz007 wrote:

Snap discrepancies forcing me to pop for now, apologies about that.

Kinda really bothers me how evening's difficulty uses completely different hitsounding... whatever. I like the hitsounds on EX better lol

Evening's EX
My god you're trying to kill us all with this crazy odhp + SVs xD
If you would be so kind as to be a little more merciful with everyone and change it to something along the lines of od8.8 hp9? Pretty please?

There really isn't a guide to what values are allowed, so I just went with what i thought was challenging enough but not stupid

Man, making me look in the .osu file to check dem SVs lul

Also in general, I feel like you're trying to force the SVs in before these 1/8 LN quads, and I don't really feel that this works in tandem with the nature of the song (like the ones at 01:18:694, where there physically isn't anything to warrant any SVs being there at all), so I'll bring up the suggestion to remove these few.

It's meant to accent the cymbal with a jump, it doesn't really have a backing sound to it, I might consider removing it if more people dislike it of course, i'm 50/50 about it

kiai section also feels like it's missing quite a few soft-hitclaps (the kick hitsound)

I gave up trying to add kicks since it's blended too well into the music, I assume it's not a problem since most players will probably not notice anyways

  1. 00:15:272 (15272|1) - Could move to 1 for stack on high-pitched piano

    00:14:843 (14843|3,14843|2,14843|0) - this is higher pitched, it's linked
  2. 00:25:414 (25414|1) - Would've thought there'd be one more note here for the quiet perc just to differentiate it a little.
  3. 00:26:842 (26842|1) - ^
  4. 00:27:413 (27413|3,27985|2) - ^

    Think it's quite evident that i'm ignoring anything other than the chants, it's more of a specific pattern to this particular song
  5. 00:32:556 (32556|3,32842|2,32842|1,32842|0) - Gonna challenge the LN ends here. I can't really hear anything that short to prove these LNs' shortness, so to speak. The earliest thing I can hear finishing is at 00:32:949, so if there's something I'm not hearing, please enlighten me.

    It's to pair with the SV to trick the player to holding the LN too long
  6. 00:35:413 (35413|1,35413|2,35841|0,35841|1) - Accenting these with LNs without accenting the other string bursts beforehand looks a little odd to me. Up to you how to change, but looks like an inconsistency as it stands.

    1. SVs will distort LNs
    2. I don't like to map LNs with notes there on stronger/clear cut sections, it looks quite ugly

  7. 00:37:555 - Missing hitsound perhaps?

    No idea what to put there, i left it blank
  8. 00:45:412 (45412|3,45412|1) - Would like a mini LN here for that piano, like you were doing earlier

    sure
  9. 00:46:269 (46269|3) - here too maybe

    it's too convoluted, i prefer my harder sections to be clearer to the eyes
  10. 00:46:055 - I can hear a sound evidently present on this 1/4, so I'm a little worried about you 1/6'ing over this.

    it's more of following the stuttering sound on the background, it's not a good idea to do 1/16 so i simplified it and crafted it such that it has a increasing snap difficulty over time leading to the crash
  11. 00:54:030 (54030|1,54078|2,54459|3,54506|2) - Quite a prominent 1/4 snare running through this one, so I'm pretty sure this isn't ok.

    it's not 1/4, it's 1/8, i did 1/6 so as to make it flow better
  12. 00:57:268 (57268|3) - Pretty sure this is a ghost note

    pretty sure it isn't
  13. 01:09:338 (69338|2) - There's a kick here, so if you can make this a double. At least put a hitsound on it.

    what, a double? i added a kick
  14. 01:16:480 (76480|2,76480|0) - I'd rather this be a double OH minijack, but there's loads about, so your call.

    I have no idea what you are talking about
  15. 01:23:694 (83694|2,83694|1,83694|0) - Thought it would've made more sense for this to be a quad? (given that these LN quads are meant to be representing the same thing, this feels odd not to have the quad here too)

    01:23:551 (83551|3,83622|3) - these notes don't allow me to quad, either way i'm making those 2 notes hammer
  16. 01:24:265 (84265|1,84265|2) - There's no kick here, so I'm not too sure why this one's a double.

    made it a single
  17. 01:26:265 (86265|3,86265|0) - ^

    same
  18. 01:28:122 (88122|2) - Double here?

    no, why
  19. 01:32:836 (92836|2,92836|3) - Quad or no? (cymbal crash)

    same reasoning as before
  20. 01:48:549 (108549|0,108549|2,108549|1,108549|3) - there's no cymbal crash here which kinda makes this quad completely redundant.

    yea was thinking about that one for a while, i made it a double instead
  21. 01:51:120 (111120|2,111120|3) - Maybe a quad for this though?

    same reasoning as before
Fun to play, just a couple of snap discrepancies I can imagine quite a few people would complain about.

most of the snap differences are for playability purposes anyways so i think it's fine
thanks

http://puu.sh/yhsOq/1f7936bdd1.osu
-SoraGami-

Asherz007 wrote:

Sora's NM
Not much here at all...

  1. 00:51:983 - Feel like you should map this sound, given 00:53:125 (53125|3) exists. it's actually just an echo from 01:51:120 (111120|2) - and if it is not, it is not that audible compared to the others
  2. 01:55:119 - You could cap the LN here since there is a definite kick-ish sound here. will do
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Topic Starter
Vampir

Asherz007 wrote:

soft-hitfinish: 100% (just about audible)
soft-hitclap2: Here it is again about 15dB louder because at the moment it's just way too quiet no matter what volume you have it at. Just drop it in the folder, remaining at 40% with that link above appears to work fine.
Agree with that Evening's HS is much awesome, but I also expressed my hitsounds in my way.

SHD
This difficulty feels crazily spiky. I think the awkwardness just comes out of having LNs with such dense patterns, and it's not really that nice to play.
- I made this pattern with high dense of LNs by playing hundreds times.
I considered seriously and i finally determined this pattern is not akward with this song I think it is harmonized.


Also I feel the odhp is too lenient, so I recommend increase to od8.5 hp8.5. - Fix

  1. 00:32:842 (32842|1,32842|2) - Would probably make these 1/4 shorter to match where the one sound ends. (since you're trying to cover to sounds with these and it's not really working that well.)
    The laser sound finished at the blue tick so i think the current is better
  2. 00:42:269 (42269|2,42269|3,42269|0,42269|1) - How come quad/2 LNs here?
    Fix
  3. 00:46:055 - There's a sound present on the 1/4, so a 1/6 pattern over this isn't really a good idea. Also not really a big fan of the really awkward directional changes here either. If there's anything that you can do to alleviate the strain, I recommend you do so.
    actually 1/6 gets more emphasis than 1/4, also I considered to make pattern easy to hit, not so awkward and I think this pattern fits with characteristics of this song
  4. 00:46:554 (46554|0,46554|3,46554|1,46697|2,46697|1,46697|0) - Feel like these are unnecessarily triples. Any reason why they are that way?
    drum emphasis
  5. 00:49:983 (49983|2) - +note in col 1 for kick
    Fix
  6. 00:51:411 (51411|3,51411|0,51411|2) - only a kick here so double here will do
    Fix
  7. 00:53:768 (53768|2,53840|3,53911|2,53982|1,54054|0,54089|1) - Not really a fan of the one-hand trill movement going on here, especially with the changing snaps. It develops a little bit too much strain in cols 2 and 3. Might want to rearrange this slightly.
    Fix
  8. 00:54:839 (54839|3,54839|0,54839|1,54982|1,54982|2) - not sure why these chords are different sizes for equally intense sounds in the music.
    Fix
  9. 01:05:124 (65124|3,65124|1,65124|0) - Feel like triple here might be a little overkill given your current layering here.
    Emphasised introduction
  10. 01:10:838 (70838|1,70838|3,70909|0,70981|1,70981|3,71052|2,71124|1,71124|3,71195|0,71266|1,71266|3,71338|2) - Kinda uncomfortable. I know you want emphasis on those snares, but I'd switch to a more "traditional" js burst (like [24]3[12]4[13]2 etc)
    it just "looks like" uncomfortable, not so uncomfortable pattern and I actually don't like traditional js pattern either
  11. 01:16:694 (76694|2,76694|3) - Why double here? Layering would suggest just the LN here.
    Fix
  12. 01:20:408 (80408|3,81123|0,81694|3,81980|2) - I feel like the LNs are "getting in the way", so to speak. With only the 3 remaining columns to use, this becomes overly difficult, thus a spike of sorts. Replacing the LNs with SNs and repatterning would significantly reduce the strain here.
    This is pretty subjectivity suggestion, this won't be a problem with current overall layer
  13. 01:22:480 - What happened to hitsounds?
    same with heres too.
  14. 01:27:408 (87408|2,87408|3) - Why a double here?
    Fix
  15. 01:30:979 (90979|3,91050|0,91122|1,91122|2,91122|3,91193|0,91265|2,91265|3,91336|0,91407|1,91407|2,91407|3) - Might want to move some of this about so that the OH trill moves back to the right hand, since I feel in its current state it's a little bit too long to be in one hand.
    uhh I actually keep with current pattern, agree with that it's pretty heavy on right hand but as I said, this one wouldn't be so hard with overall layer
  16. 01:31:943 (91943|1,91979|0) - Dunno whether you'd wanna to swap these two around for the simple roll. Up to you.
    I'll keep current pattern then
  17. 01:35:407 (95407|0,95407|1) - Why double?
    Fix
  18. 01:41:406 (101406|0) - I'd probably sacrifice this LN to have the more accurate triple for the crash at 01:41:692.
    Feel no need to change
  19. 01:47:120 (107120|3,107192|2) - needs hitsounds
    pretty faint beat for hitsounds.
  20. 01:47:263 (107263|1,107977|2,108263|0,108549|3,109691|0) - Again, I feel these LNs are making this burst section far more difficult than it needs to be. Suggest removing and repatterning, like last time.
    Same reasoning as before




EZ
  1. 00:19:414 (19414|2,19414|1) - Feels like a double with little reasoning, other than something like "new phrase". I wouldn't, given that no other difficulty has anything more than a single here.
    00:10:272 - 00:14:843 - Intended.
  2. 01:13:123 (73123|2,73123|1,73695|3,73695|0) - Would've thought these would be LNs?
    For emphasis piano only
  3. 01:22:123 (82123|1,83122|2) - Would make these 1/2 shorter to go with where the strings end.
    Fix
  4. 01:38:692 - Feel like you should map this, given 01:36:407 (96407|0).
    Fix
  5. 01:49:120 (109120|1) - Personally feel the more important sound is 1/2 earlier, so I suggest moving this note there.
    I think this is right

Took a little while, but there you go.
Reminder that this is an objective pop; issues do need to be addressed.

Call me back whenever everyone's done. (hopefully I haven't died by then lol)
Thanks
Fontes

Asherz007 wrote:

Snap discrepancies forcing me to pop for now, apologies about that.

Kinda really bothers me how evening's difficulty uses completely different hitsounding... whatever. I like the hitsounds on EX better lol

o!m needs more truly hard charts anyway, so it's not like this would be a veto or anything.

I'll start with where the issue lies and then work my way backwards.

Nice beegees tho

1|2|3|4

Fontes' HD
Would buff HP to 8. (based on whether the SHD odhp changes but whatever lol)
ok buffed

  1. 00:16:986 (16986|0,17129|0,18700|3,18843|3,18986|0,19129|0) - not quite sure of the sudden swap to using these short minijacks here. It's a nice idea, but it doesn't appear to be used consistently. Ideally, you either make all of the 1/2 consecutive jumps like this or not at all (would choose the first option myself). Ultimately up to you though.
    at this part piano sounds and drum sounds are together. i tried to catch both, and i think jacks are quite good to accent countinuos 1/2 sounds.
    but i fixed some arrangement to clear this intent.

  2. 00:36:698 (36698|2,36698|3) - missing hitsounds
    added
  3. 00:37:413 (37413|2,37413|1,37555|1,37555|2) - Not sure why it's a double minijack here, since there's a slight change between the first and second double. Could go for something like [23][24][134] here (and properly layering the crash).
    cuz these sounds are snare drum sounds and i intended. maybe that slight difference is other sounds with this that are 1/4.
  4. 00:47:126 (47126|0,47126|2,47126|3) - Wait, how come there's a sudden switch to triples here? I mean as an idea it's not an issue, it's more the problem that you aren't able to consistency layer them as triples given that this is an HD.
    this song part i didn put LN so i decided to give 3 notes snare drum sounds to accent these. i think assigning number of notes to the sound dosen matter if we keep consistancy in each part, i mean don need to keep that in whole chart. its on mapper's expression what he intended.
    but anyway i fixed some latter part to clear more these 3notes.
  5. 00:53:982 - hitsounds missing?
    added
  6. 01:26:265 (86265|3,86551|0) - Struggling to figure out what these are mapped to, given 01:25:694 (85694|3,85836|0).
    oh, that LN is the latter of two 1/2 piano sounds. but i make it wrong so i fixed. thx.
Other than that it's pretty neatly constructed. Like it.

Took a little while, but there you go.
Reminder that this is an objective pop; issues do need to be addressed.

Call me back whenever everyone's done. (hopefully I haven't died by then lol)
Thx for mod :)
Asherz007
Still a remaining concern about those hitsounds being a little too quiet on EZ, HD and SHD. They need to be audible over the audio, which is why I suggested the volume edits. I'll check hitsounds once I get clarification on this, just in case something changes.

[Timing]
Something I overlooked first time around. Any particular reason for the bpm being 210.02 rather than 210?

Also, could you put another red line at 00:01:130? (Assuming offset is not changing, might be within a few ms otherwise) The first measure is a lead-in measure (which only needs a red line because of the SVs) and this point is the start of the song. (Something about nightcore mod as well)

[EZ]
01:22:123 (82123|1,83122|2) - p sure I said something about making both of them 1/2 shorter rather than just one lol

Rest of the set looks fine to me, so call me back once you've finished sorting this little bit out.
Topic Starter
Vampir

Asherz007 wrote:

Still a remaining concern about those hitsounds being a little too quiet on EZ, HD and SHD. They need to be audible over the audio, which is why I suggested the volume edits. I'll check hitsounds once I get clarification on this, just in case something changes.

[Timing]
Something I overlooked first time around. Any particular reason for the bpm being 210.02 rather than 210?

Also, could you put another red line at 00:01:130? (Assuming offset is not changing, might be within a few ms otherwise) The first measure is a lead-in measure (which only needs a red line because of the SVs) and this point is the start of the song. (Something about nightcore mod as well)

[EZ]
01:22:123 (82123|1,83122|2) - p sure I said something about making both of them 1/2 shorter rather than just one lol

Rest of the set looks fine to me, so call me back once you've finished sorting this little bit out.

I aksed a lot of people for BPM and all people said 210.02 is also fine, (I made a mistake at first actually, and ya 210 is also fine ya), and you know, this is really hard to fix all of SVs in Evening's diff when BPM changes, so I'll keep this BPM

Fixed my hitsound, and sorry, I misunderstood your suggestion on easy, fixed
Xinnoh
This is a non-negotiable issue regardless of anyone's opinion. The timing either gets changed to 210 bpm to match the mp3, or this set will never get ranked. The change in bpm is enough to make the difference between 300s and 200s by the end.



If you really can't change this, there's a stupid alternate solution. If you slow down the mp3 file by 0.9999048% then the song will be 210.02 bpm. I would never suggest doing this normally, but there are a lot of green lines so I'd consider it an option.
Beomsan

Sinnoh wrote:

If you really can't change this, there's a stupid alternate solution. If you slow down the mp3 file by 0.9999048%
holy fck
eyes
I had the same situation with wrong bpm and many svs on my diff, I found a resolve.
Resnapping notes is easy, so you can do it manually, but svs is too long work
so you can convert evening diff with rate changer (which includes sv shifting function) and change the speed for 210/210,02=0.999904771 sooo, when you did it note-objects will be time-offed so just forget about notes, just copy all svs from this diff and they should fit for 210 bpm.

I know my english is bad, please ask me if you don't understand something
did it myself

I tried this way and here it is.
Timing points for 210 bpm Evening's EX
owo
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114691,-173.834440079269,4,2,11,80,0,0
114731,-170.648464163823,4,2,11,80,0,0
114771,-167.54347753242,4,2,11,80,0,0
114811,-164.516978152145,4,2,11,80,0,0
114851,-161.566549261641,4,2,11,80,0,0
114891,-158.68985654437,4,2,11,80,0,0
114930,-155.884645362432,4,2,11,80,0,0
114970,-153.148738054398,4,2,11,80,0,0
115010,-150.480031299847,4,2,11,80,0,0
115050,-147.876493552585,4,2,11,80,0,0
115090,-145.336162543964,4,2,11,80,0,0
115130,-142.857142857143,4,2,11,80,0,0

Some SVs can be off for 1-2 ms but I think it won't be noticeable
Topic Starter
Vampir

Sinnoh wrote:

This is a non-negotiable issue regardless of anyone's opinion. The timing either gets changed to 210 bpm to match the mp3, or this set will never get ranked. The change in bpm is enough to make the difference between 300s and 200s by the end.



If you really can't change this, there's a stupid alternate solution. If you slow down the mp3 file by 0.9999048% then the song will be 210.02 bpm. I would never suggest doing this normally, but there are a lot of green lines so I'd consider it an option.
Thanks xD
Topic Starter
Vampir

eyes wrote:

I had the same situation with wrong bpm and many svs on my diff, I found a resolve.
Resnapping notes is easy, so you can do it manually, but svs is too long work
so you can convert evening diff with rate changer (which includes sv shifting function) and change the speed for 210/210,02=0.999904771 sooo, when you did it note-objects will be time-offed so just forget about notes, just copy all svs from this diff and they should fit for 210 bpm.

I know my english is bad, please ask me if you don't understand something
Thank you for the help!

I will try it.
Beomsan

eyes wrote:

 
hoyl fuk
Asherz007
Timing feels a lot better, especially towards the end lol

Just gonna get confirmation from Evening that the changes to the SVs are ok before I finally move this on. (They seem ever so slightly... different at the end? Probably just me, but I want to check.)

Apart from that, just the hitsounds. I don't really see any change happening to the three diffs I mentioned having quiet hitsounds. Ah well, up to you. In any case, the rest of it appears fine, just one thing:

Sora's NM: Any particular reason why the first timing point has 50% volume rather than 30%?

After that, should be good to go, fingers crossed...
-SoraGami-
Ohh right.. dunno what happened there
Maybe i messed up some things

Thanks Asherz

@Vampir. Can you fix it for me?
I wont be able to come online for a while. Thanks xD
Topic Starter
Vampir

-SoraGami- wrote:

Ohh right.. dunno what happened there
Maybe i messed up some things

Thanks Asherz

@Vampir. Can you fix it for me?
I wont be able to come online for a while. Thanks xD
Ok owo
Asherz007
I think we should be all good to go again then.

Best of luck!
Topic Starter
Vampir

Asherz007 wrote:

I think we should be all good to go again then.

Best of luck!
Thank you, Asherz!!! XD
Aruel
:O
Akasha-
this is beautiful wow
Topic Starter
Vampir

Fresh Chicken wrote:

:O
:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O
Cellina
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Akasha-
Also not really sure but there are something I'm still bother a bit:

First is about offset, I feels a little off from it, it's kind of too early, move to -5 is more accurate (+8 from -13).

Next up is some thing about snapping.
I will take a looks at SHD and Evening's diff.
(The timelines are under the new offset).

<- Evening's EX | SHD ->

00:45:995 - I kinda feel like it's 1/4 on here, and later on 00:46:066 - to 00:46:280 - is 1/8.
Not really sure about 1/6 on here but there are some similar parts which you added 1/4 only: 01:22:566 - and on 01:31:709 - too.

00:53:995 - and 00:54:423 -
While 00:53:995 - is pretty much same like above, I won't point it again but there is inconflicted snap between these difficulties, one with 1/6 and one with 1/8.
I won't mind if you said it's for better for playbility but I would just use 1/4 here instead of 1/6.
And 00:54:423 - on here is also inconflicted but I'm more on 1/6 snap, sounds more accurate.
That's all.
But for other difficulties, I'm still want to clarify some other things too.

[SHD]
01:36:120 (96120|2,96120|3) - this one seems off, are you sure it's not on 1/16 (?).
01:14:995 (74995|3) - piano is on 01:15:137 - too, do you like to splits LN here (?).
While 01:19:280 (79280|3) - is all same pitch piano, it's fine to use LN here, but what about 01:19:709 (79709|2) - change to LN (?).
01:26:709 (86709|2) - I thought it should be on 01:26:566 - .
01:32:852 (92852|0) - On here I think can splits it to 01:32:852 - 01:32:995 - 01:33:280 - 01:33:566 - too.
01:35:137 (95137|2) - on here should be end on 01:35:280 - while 01:35:423 (95423|0) - should be start on 01:35:280 - .
01:37:423 (97423|2) - it should starts on 01:37:566 - as the main instrument goes on.
01:40:423 (100423|1) - on here from 01:40:423 - to 01:40:566 - and from 01:40:566 - 01:40:995 - they are different pitch, how about a split (?).
01:43:566 (103566|2) - can split on 01:43:852 - but it's kinda hard but your choice to keep.

[Evening's EX]
I'm not sure, but I feels like 00:56:995 (56995|0) - is a little bit late, how about move to 00:56:977 - 1/16 (?) .
01:16:423 (76423|3,76423|0,76423|1) - not really feels like there is a snare here for being 3 notes like previous, or you added it for piano (?).
01:25:566 - same here too.
01:38:137 (98137|3,98280|1) - only one instrument here, merges it (?).
01:41:995 - add a LN here as the sound going (?).
01:34:709 - 01:39:280 - 01:43:852 - like previous, I don't think there is a snare on these timings.
01:40:423 - but they have on here.

[Fontes' HD]
01:21:137 - 01:21:423 - 01:21:852 - 01:22:137 - I think it's better to add some notes for kick/snare here.
01:41:298 (101298|3,101298|2) - I have no ideas why it's on 1/16.

[Sora's NM]
00:10:280 (10280|0,10280|1) - kinda the only part here with notes for kick sound (?) It's kinda off, 00:14:852 - in here is better to keep since it's the new loop.
01:20:566 - you can add a note on here for snare sound.

[EZ]
00:30:280 - if you are following the vocal at the background, there have one on here too.
00:58:423 (58423|1) - How about moving it to 1st for piano pitch (?).
01:20:852 - there should have a note here to continue the kick flows.
01:21:566 (81566|3) - not really feels like there is a kick on here.
01:45:709 - it's better to make this flow: https://puu.sh/yr7fm/dd0edca0eb.png while on 01:45:709 - is for kick and 01:45:852 - to 01:46:280 - is repetitive snares.

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Also I had no ideas about metadata, but there are some sources like Arcaea, it's Dement ~after legend~ or from the cover it's Dement -After Lenged-
I'm just confuse.

EDIT: Oh nevermind, Dynamix also announced to have this song next too:

The title is correct, however, the artist should have no spaces, just LunaticSounds
From soundcloud too I assume: https://soundcloud.com/lunaticsounds
You may also tags "Dynamix" too
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Well only that I need to clarify something I guess so.
Overall the map is really nice, but I can't mod 4K that well, sorry then.

Good luck with the ranking section!
Murumoo
The legend Album ver (Lunatic Sounds - 08. Dement ~after Legend~)

EZ2AC : NIGHT TRAVELER ver (Lunatic Sounds - Dement ~After Legend~)
Fontes

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

[Fontes' HD]
01:21:137 - 01:21:423 - 01:21:852 - 01:22:137 - I think it's better to add some notes for kick/snare here.
that is wat i intended. cuz this 1/4 beats that hav fast bpm. i did in fisrt time but.. considering HD diff and starating
i think this one notes 1/4 stream is not bad.


01:41:298 (101298|3,101298|2) - I have no ideas why it's on 1/16.
this is absolutely mistake. this map bpm was fixed recently, so maybe he missed some notes when move the notes manually in all diffs.
should be changed.
thank you for ur mod. this map gonna be more accurated with ur detail mod in entire mapset. :) :)
Blocko
Disqualified upon mapper's request. Be sure to reply to the concerns above before pushing this set forward again.

Good luck!
[ Ari Knight ]
Leaving 1 star here
Evening's Sv is amazing but i think the pattern was just..., ah its just my skill

good luck!
Evening

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Also not really sure but there are something I'm still bother a bit:

First is about offset, I feels a little off from it, it's kind of too early, move to -5 is more accurate (+8 from -13).

Next up is some thing about snapping.
I will take a looks at SHD and Evening's diff.
(The timelines are under the new offset).

<- Evening's EX | SHD ->

00:45:995 - I kinda feel like it's 1/4 on here, and later on 00:46:066 - to 00:46:280 - is 1/8.
Not really sure about 1/6 on here but there are some similar parts which you added 1/4 only: 01:22:566 - and on 01:31:709 - too.

This is under the fact that the sound can be interchangeably used as 1/4, 1/6, 1/8, else I'll have to amend the pattern somehow
01:22:487 (82487|2) - :

01:22:487 (82487|2,82487|3,82558|1,82558|0) - 1. I want to emphasize the 1/4 sound here with a gallop that is either 12 34 or 34 12, I felt that it was the better choice of pattern than 23 14 or 14 23 due to its physical feedback it gives

01:22:558 (82558|1,82629|2,82701|3) - 2. I didn't use 1/6 here because it either makes it too dense on this section/creates a 4-note anchor no matter the pattern choices due to the gallop

3. The fact that the sound here is so convoluted with the buzz and hat mashed together, it doesn't seem reasonable to argue about something that players will barely notice.


00:53:995 - and 00:54:423 -
While 00:53:995 - is pretty much same like above, I won't point it again but there is inconflicted snap between these difficulties, one with 1/6 and one with 1/8.
I won't mind if you said it's for better for playbility but I would just use 1/4 here instead of 1/6.
And 00:54:423 - on here is also inconflicted but I'm more on 1/6 snap, sounds more accurate.

00:54:415 (54415|1,54463|3,54510|2,54558|1) - There is 2 snares in between the 1/2 timeframe so i used 1/6

That's all.
But for other difficulties, I'm still want to clarify some other things too.

[Evening's EX]
I'm not sure, but I feels like 00:56:995 (56995|0) - is a little bit late, how about move to 00:56:977 - 1/16 (?) .

00:56:987 (56987|0,57040|3) - Shifted another one down by 1/16 also

01:16:423 (76423|3,76423|0,76423|1) - not really feels like there is a snare here for being 3 notes like previous, or you added it for piano (?).

don't think i cared about the piano here much, it was the idea of snare = 3 notes, since this isn't as loud i'll make it 2

01:25:566 - same here too.

^

01:38:137 (98137|3,98280|1) - only one instrument here, merges it (?).

alright

01:41:995 - add a LN here as the sound going (?).

don't hear any synth here

01:34:709 - 01:39:280 - 01:43:852 - like previous, I don't think there is a snare on these timings.

they sound like a cut-off snare so i just used a snare

01:40:423 - but they have on here.
thanks for mod

Update:
00:14:272 (14272|1) - added SV
00:23:987 (23987|2) - added memorization teleport
01:04:415 (64415|3) - increased speed

01:14:558 (74558|2) - 01:18:844 (78844|2) - 01:27:987 (87987|2) - and so on...
added bumps
- some 1/8 LN don't have bumps because i don't want to add difficulty to memorization places

00:05:701 (5701|1) - added sv bump
00:05:987 (5987|3) - shifted to 2

HP -> 9.5

http://puu.sh/ytOAl/937b007ae0.osu
Topic Starter
Vampir

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

[SHD]
01:36:120 (96120|2,96120|3) - this one seems off, are you sure it's not on 1/16 (?).
Fix
01:14:995 (74995|3) - piano is on 01:15:137 - too, do you like to splits LN here (?).
i think its natural now so il keep it.
While 01:19:280 (79280|3) - is all same pitch piano, it's fine to use LN here, but what about 01:19:709 (79709|2) - change to LN (?).
FIx
01:26:709 (86709|2) - I thought it should be on 01:26:566 - .
at this pattern, i used LN to the latter of two piano sound, i mean the echo , and at 01:26:701 -here there is piano sound obviously. so il keep it
01:32:852 (92852|0) - On here I think can splits it to 01:32:852 - 01:32:995 - 01:33:280 - 01:33:566 - too.
i think its natural now so il keep it
01:35:137 (95137|2) - on here should be end on 01:35:280 - while 01:35:423 (95423|0) - should be start on 01:35:280 - .
Fix
01:37:423 (97423|2) - it should starts on 01:37:566 - as the main instrument goes on.
Fix
01:40:423 (100423|1) - on here from 01:40:423 - to 01:40:566 - and from 01:40:566 - 01:40:995 - they are different pitch, how about a split (?).
Fix
01:43:566 (103566|2) - can split on 01:43:852 - but it's kinda hard but your choice to keep.
Keep

[Sora's NM]
00:10:280 (10280|0,10280|1) - kinda the only part here with notes for kick sound (?) It's kinda off, 00:14:852 - in here is better to keep since it's the new loop.
I don't know what I mean ;w;,pattern fix
01:20:566 - you can add a note on here for snare sound.
Fix

[EZ]
00:30:280 - if you are following the vocal at the background, there have one on here too.
cuz the vocal sounds kinda week
00:58:423 (58423|1) - How about moving it to 1st for piano pitch (?).
Fix
01:20:852 - there should have a note here to continue the kick flows.
it might get harder if i put a note here
01:21:566 (81566|3) - not really feels like there is a kick on here.
Fix
01:45:709 - it's better to make this flow: https://puu.sh/yr7fm/dd0edca0eb.png while on 01:45:709 - is for kick and 01:45:852 - to 01:46:280 - is repetitive snares.
it doesn't look too hard also it fits with song so I'll keep it

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EDIT: Oh nevermind, Dynamix also announced to have this song next too:

The title is correct, however, the artist should have no spaces, just LunaticSounds
From soundcloud too I assume: https://soundcloud.com/lunaticsounds
You may also tags "Dynamix" too
Fix
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Well only that I need to clarify something I guess so.
Overall the map is really nice, but I can't mod 4K that well, sorry then.

Good luck with the ranking section!
Thank you for mod!! xD
Asherz007
My god Evening you're trying to kill us

irc where not a lot happened (confirmations etc)
2017-11-29 07:20 Vampir: Hello Asherz owo Are you free for BN Check?
2017-11-29 07:20 Asherz007: Just in an irc at the moment
2017-11-29 07:20 Vampir: :D
2017-11-29 07:20 Asherz007: How long are you going to be around?
2017-11-29 07:21 Vampir: Um
2017-11-29 07:23 Asherz007: Shouldn't really be much for me to point out though, right?
2017-11-29 07:23 Vampir: i`ll be around for 4 more hours , i'll wait for you. Take your time
2017-11-29 07:23 Asherz007: 4 hours wow xD
2017-11-29 07:24 Asherz007: okay then
2017-11-29 07:36 Asherz007: ping
2017-11-29 07:36 Vampir: pong
2017-11-29 07:36 Asherz007: lol
2017-11-29 07:36 Asherz007: So, what changed?
2017-11-29 07:36 Vampir: lol :D
2017-11-29 07:36 Vampir: ㅕㅡ
2017-11-29 07:37 Asherz007: Can't read that xD
2017-11-29 07:37 Asherz007: Oh boy evening's trying to kill us all with hp that high
2017-11-29 07:39 Vampir: I fixed everything Kyoka modded and changed minor stuff that could get it disqualified
2017-11-29 07:39 Vampir: :D
2017-11-29 07:40 Vampir: I'm sorry. The translator is being used. Sorry for the late reply. T_T
2017-11-29 07:40 Asherz007: ah no worries
2017-11-29 07:42 Asherz007: is the offset staying where it is?
2017-11-29 07:43 Vampir: Oh Yes :D
2017-11-29 07:47 Asherz007: I feel like SHD got harder, but maybe that's just me lol
2017-11-29 07:48 Vampir: XD
2017-11-29 07:49 Asherz007: So, what else was it that you changed besides Kuo Kyoka's mod?
2017-11-29 07:52 Vampir: i didn't change anything other than that
2017-11-29 07:52 Vampir: because You and Kyoka modded so perfectly :D:D:D:D
2017-11-29 07:52 Asherz007: Oh xD
2017-11-29 07:54 Asherz007: You okay with evening's difficulty having hp that high?
2017-11-29 07:55 Vampir: If there's no problem with getting this ranked
2017-11-29 07:55 Vampir: I have no problem with it
2017-11-29 07:56 Vampir: However if any issues regarding the HP being so high proves otherwise I will lower it or have it fixed :D
2017-11-29 07:56 Asherz007: The higher hp just means less people can pass I guess
2017-11-29 07:57 Asherz007: You're also okay with having different snaps at 00:53:701 - and 01:22:415 - ?
2017-11-29 08:00 Vampir: Oh NM?
2017-11-29 08:00 Vampir: and SHD?
2017-11-29 08:00 Asherz007: between SHD and EX
2017-11-29 08:00 Asherz007: Was just playtesting on NM for the offset (I'm lazy xP)
2017-11-29 08:05 Vampir: EX
2017-11-29 08:05 Vampir: Evening was going for playable so he made it a bit different
2017-11-29 08:06 Vampir: He's guest difficulty so his views on what he wants to do with the song may vary from mine
2017-11-29 08:06 Vampir: :D
2017-11-29 08:06 Asherz007: just checking lol
2017-11-29 08:07 Asherz007: I mean everything looks fine to me I guess then, you good to go?
2017-11-29 08:08 Vampir: Okay , I'm ready :D
2017-11-29 08:08 Asherz007: Alright gimme a minute then
2017-11-29 08:09 Vampir: Okay xD

Had a look through all of the difficulties, still look okay to me.

Vampir didn't directly respond to KK's offset suggestion but the tl;dr in the irc was he didn't change it; I also think it's fine where it is.

Take 3 then ;)
eyes
if you use soundcloud as reference, then make sure to use the same title "Dement ~after Legend~"
https://soundcloud.com/lunaticsounds/de ... r-legend-2
eyes
oh it's from dynamix, nevermind (why can't I edit my posts)
Topic Starter
Vampir

eyes wrote:

if you use soundcloud as reference, then make sure to use the same title "Dement ~after Legend~"
https://soundcloud.com/lunaticsounds/de ... r-legend-2









Aruel
:○
Envory
Diffname suggest~

SHD :arrow: SC

Evening's EX :arrow: SHD
Topic Starter
Vampir

Envory wrote:

Diffname suggest~

SHD :arrow: SC

Evening's EX :arrow: SHD


EZ2DJ Diffname
eyes
EX
00:32:272 - why do you need to place so many same timing points?
00:47:558 (47558|1) - shouldn't this be 1/2 or 1/1 LN
00:57:344 - 00:57:415 - you can add notes here too
01:19:987 (79987|0,79987|2,80129|2,80129|1) - these should be on same columns for consistency with 01:15:415 (75415|2,75415|1,75558|2,75558|1) - and 01:17:701 (77701|2,77701|3,77844|3,77844|2)
01:26:844 (86844|1,86844|2,86987|2,86987|0) - aand this too
also don't you think OD is kinda too high with memorize sv
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