Congratz!!
lol, personally I think the normal diff is enough for this kind of songignorance wrote:
I disagree with the diff spread.
0.76* makes sense for an Easy diff, but 0.94* for a Normal? That's barely a difference from the Easy diff. Sure, people may say that "SR is messed up for low bpm songs" but songs with similar bpms have Normal diffs >1.3*. Since 0.94* is significantly lower than every other map of similar bpm, and the Normal diff is like 0.18* (~25%) more difficult than the Easy diff, the spread issues revolving around SR shouldn't be ignored.
Also the map is 2 minutes long... Surely more diffs can be made other than just an Easy and Normal..? This map could definitely be better...
My thoughts.
I mean some more diffs would be nice but the ranking criteria doesn't require it. Not sure if I agree that it's enough - there can definitely be more. That's just me though, nominator's word > mine obviously.Natsu wrote:
lol, personally I think the normal diff is enough for this kind of song
Oh if you want more diffs you could of course make a map by yourself and upload it if you want!ignorance wrote:
I mean some more diffs would be nice but the ranking criteria doesn't require it. Not sure if I agree that it's enough - there can definitely be more. That's just me though, nominator's word > mine obviously.Natsu wrote:
lol, personally I think the normal diff is enough for this kind of song
If more diffs aren't made for whatever reason, then there will be two distinct difficulties that represent this song. There should at least be sufficient variation between them, imo, otherwise the map feels "lackluster". Right now, they seem too similar to be considered separate difficulties that can be justifyingly ranked.
Does this mapping really represent the song to its full extent?
So you agree that the set feels incomplete? Surely an incomplete set shouldn't be heading for ranking?Regraz wrote:
Oh if you want more diffs you could of course make a map by yourself and upload it if you want!
Oh, I don't think the set is incomplete. I mean, if you think it is not complete, you could of course make a mapset of that by yourself since osu! does not have a rule of prohibiting more than one mapsets of the same song to be ranked.ignorance wrote:
So you agree that the set feels incomplete? Surely an incomplete set shouldn't be heading for ranking?Regraz wrote:
Oh if you want more diffs you could of course make a map by yourself and upload it if you want!
If that's some sort of sarcastic comment making fun of my cristicism, I urge you to justify how your map represents the song enough for continuation of it to be unneccessary.
Right, so it was sarcasm. I see. So are you just going to completely skip over justifying how this map represents the song for continuation of it to be unneccessary? All I can gather from "you could of course make a mapset of that by yourself. " is that you're completely content that this map is a finished representation of the song. It must be very easy to justify if you feel it's perfect, though I doubt you can justify it, as your two diffs completely skip over so much detail in the song. You make me feel as if I'm missing something important about this dull set..?Regraz wrote:
Oh, I don't think the set is incomplete. I mean, if you think it is not complete, you could of course make a mapset of that by yourself.
You say "songs like this" as if this song is different to all the other songs with maps that have decent spreads. The bpm is low, but there is detail that's skipped over.Shortthu wrote:
the spread is up to the mapper, and it's fine ranking EN spread mapset with songs like this
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I disagree with the diff spread.
0.76* makes sense for an Easy diff, but 0.94* for a Normal? That's barely a difference from the Easy diff. Sure, people may say that "SR is messed up for low bpm songs" but songs with similar bpms have Normal diffs >1.3*. Since 0.94* is significantly lower than every other map of similar bpm, and the Normal diff is like 0.18* (~25%) more difficult than the Easy diff, the spread issues revolving around SR shouldn't be ignored.
Also the map is 2 minutes long... Surely more diffs can be made other than just an Easy and Normal..? This map could definitely be better...
My thoughts.
Judgements can't be entirely formed from SR, but it can't be simply ignored. Also, I was arguing that there's not enough variation between the only two diffs in the set for it to be considered a complete set with varying difficulties.Pachiru wrote:
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i don't see the problem with the map, since the 0.96 diffs is the topdiff. if it was a 3* Hard, that would be a problem indeed, but in this case, it's not.
yeah that's your opinion, Regraz have a different opinion, that's allignorance wrote:
Judgements can't be entirely formed from SR, but it can't be simply ignored. Also, I was arguing that there's not enough variation between the only two diffs in the set for it to be considered a complete set with varying difficulties.Pachiru wrote:
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i don't see the problem with the map, since the 0.96 diffs is the topdiff. if it was a 3* Hard, that would be a problem indeed, but in this case, it's not.
How would a 3* Hard be bad for this song? The BPM may be low, but the mapping in the Easy and Normal diffs clearly skips over so much in the song. 3* for a Hard isn't anything out of the ordinary, either.
How would a 3* Hard be bad for this song? The BPM may be low, but the mapping in the Easy and Normal diffs clearly skips over so much in the song. 3* for a Hard isn't anything out of the ordinary, either.About this, I think, though this quote is camouflaged with initially flawed statement of "details cannot be skipped", there are almost no differences between this quote and the posts in Beatmap Project forums that are requiring mappers to make map for them out of their own preference, which sounds pretty taking-for-granted. So yeah, if you think you want to add more things onto this song, you could certainly upload a new mapset!
This "different opinion" of Regrez is just actually an excuse for the map to be pushed to ranked.Natsu wrote:
yeah that's your opinion, Regraz have a different opinion, that's all
MINOR? It's melodies that are completely skipped over! You literally have only mapped less than 25% of the actual song.Regraz wrote:
I actually do not think they are details. They are pretty much like minor stuffs regarding intensity and pitch. Putting this aside, one thing I want to ask, even if they are details, is there any ranking criteria saying that one must not skip details of a song?How would a 3* Hard be bad for this song? The BPM may be low, but the mapping in the Easy and Normal diffs clearly skips over so much in the song. 3* for a Hard isn't anything out of the ordinary, either.About this, I think though camouflaged with initially flawed statement that "details cannot be skipped" there are almost no differences between this post and the posts in Beatmap Project forums that are requiring mappers to make map for them out of their own preference, which sounds pretty taking-for-granted. So yeah, if you think you want to add more things onto this song, you could certainly upload a new mapset!
Please stop with that BN excuse that is wrong. Don't force your opinion on the set, and understand Regraz's point of view, he has his own reason to keep it like this with low SR diffs. As long as there is no unrankable issue, it's not worth having a DQ here.ignorance wrote:
Seems like BNs are going to completely ignore the criticism that I have made and claim that Regraz has an "opinion" and therefore critism can be ignored.
It's a battle lost by default if BNs disagree with you (without justification, oddly enough) so my efforts to help improve this mapset before it goes into its "completely finished" "ranked state" are done.
This map will stay lackluster and an insult to the artist of the song, I guess that's not my problem.
you're doing this wrongignorance wrote:
so my efforts to help