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chano & 40mP - Natsukoi Hanabi

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Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,642 posts
Joined May 2013
Monstrata
Yea, kinda agree with Doormat lol. Vocal-focused ideas might work in other songs, but I don't think you introduce the legato effect enough in verse sections. Like, the legato idea itself is good actually, people usually just spam 1/2 rhythms here. But if you're going to do those 3/4 sliders you should use them in other places too. Other problem though is that this song's vocals use a lot of dotted rhythms like 00:55:031 (1,2) - 00:58:069 (1,2) - etc... where you can't really use extended sliders anyways. So yea, not a good song choice, but also, where there are legato effects in the verse section it would be nice to map them specifically in this manner (using extended sliders) instead of using 1/1 repeats like 00:35:094 (4) - cuz otherwise it's a very "standard" interpretation that doesn't really support your specific extended slider element.

Might want to use 1/2 repeats or 1/1 rhythms for 00:29:208 - 00:41:265 - cuz vocals aren't really well snapped :P.

Doormat's right about hitsounds though, you could use more. 01:16:866 (2) - 01:22:942 (2) - places like these could use the whistle. 01:07:563 (2,3) - etc... I would argue could also use hitsounds since you're trying to maintain vocal rhythm focus it seems. The song's instrumental track is very similar in rhythm to the vocal track so yea again, not a good song choice for this style of mapping...

Aesthetics and spacing are fine for me. It's good use of emphasis through sliderbreaks, poor entry angles. Not really cool to guilt-trip someone into accepting your map for what it is tho. Everyone knows BN's hate having to tell people to trash what they have, let alone remove an entire difficulty lol.
VINXIS
Featured Artist
3,161 posts
Joined April 2014
VINXIS
ok doormat said hes listening but he didnt listen before but since he said it now it probably means hes listening now

give me a better suggestion for 00:19:145 - while still having the same idea then because right now the 2 is an important note for the player due to the rhythmical circumstances, it plays significantly better for me with its existence there than it does without it so

i didnt think i needed to explain what i meant by that so i just said 1 sentence instead in the reply
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the music doesnt put emphasis into the red and white ticks that were skipped, vocals are part of the music, i dont see the 1/2 dynamic u r talking about, i didnt say 1 has more of a legato effect than 2 but i have no idea where u even got those rhythms from and they are literally just ties/slurs.. the relationship of slurs to legato is the relationship of squares to rectangles.. and ltiaerlly all i hear in the white and red ticks is hi hats and a snare, u arent talking about those sounds being the Main Emphasis of the Song that matters moreare u because i never focused on anything in the drums at all throughout the whole entire map so it would make no sense to cater for them to somehow be the most important at these times for the map..

the 3/4 sliders dont have a sound at the sliderends!!!!!!!!! which isnt a problem even if that was True because the articulation is still obviously therwe ( the articulation may not be EXACTLY there but theres no reaason to get nazi about shit like that because it just doesnt even matter!!!!!!!), its easy, intuitive, and simple.. i dont understand why this hurts the player at all in play?/ im pretty sure even 900k players could play this easily Lmao, i also dont see hgow every signle sliderend that doesnt exist on a note in the history of osu is bad (which is what it sounds like ur saying) when context plays a huge part in it in every single circumstance | EVEN if there are "strong notes" in the sliders from "other stuff", why does it even matter when im mapping to the vocals and not other stuff, ive only mapped other stuff if there arent vocals there.. all the 1/2 BSD snap sliders are to vocals, none of the hitsounding is related to the drums/other instruments in the section,

the overwhelming majority of people do not have a problem with the 3/4 sliders but thats probably because it isnt even a problem

i dont understand how mapping to 3/4 sliders in the verse before would help anything either when rhythm choice isnt a "gimmick", 3/4 sliders OR vocal mapping thats not randomly done arent even something that players have to adapt to understand in a smaller scale earlier on the map than for something like """""""sudden"""""""" 2x sv changes or spacing concepts

1/1 sliders compared to the current is super lame

the onyl timestamp of the 3 i added whistles to us the first 1 but thats becuase i already had a whistle there from yesterday, idk wot the 2nd half of the paragraph is saying but thats probably because the rhythm choices were to ignore drums not map only to vocals noob

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TitleUnicode:夏恋花火
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i dont wannaaaaaa bother doing lengthy responses and trying to convince people about a gd because: its osu, the diff personally isnt worthwhile or good enough for me to put in THIS MUCH effort, the arguments against my diff are harmful for the map, and there are better things to do in life than this!!111 which is why i asked to delete my diff!!111131344545646578 i could care less if it was a bn or a random person they're basically the same anyway1111111111111111111111111111 fucK :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
Doormat
2,049 posts
Joined September 2013
Doormat

VINXIS wrote:

ok doormat said hes listening but he didnt listen before but since he said it now it probably means hes listening now

give me a better suggestion for 00:19:145 - while still having the same idea then because right now the 2 is an important note for the player due to the rhythmical circumstances, it plays significantly better for me with its existence there than it does without it so you could probably do something like this so that the flow break is more apparent between 00:18:575 (1,2) - and 00:19:335 (1,2,3,4) - , but it's just a suggestion so do what you will with it

i didnt think i needed to explain what i meant by that so i just said 1 sentence instead in the reply
:lol:
the music doesnt put emphasis into the red and white ticks that were skipped, vocals are part of the music, i dont see the 1/2 dynamic u r talking about, i didnt say 1 has more of a legato effect than 2 but i have no idea where u even got those rhythms from and they are literally just ties/slurs.. the relationship of slurs to legato is the relationship of squares to rectangles.. and ltiaerlly all i hear in the white and red ticks is hi hats and a snare, u arent talking about those sounds being the Main Emphasis of the Song that matters moreare u because i never focused on anything in the drums at all throughout the whole entire map so it would make no sense to cater for them to somehow be the most important at these times for the map..

the 3/4 sliders dont have a sound at the sliderends!!!!!!!!! which isnt a problem even if that was True because the articulation is still obviously therwe ( the articulation may not be EXACTLY there but theres no reaason to get nazi about shit like that because it just doesnt even matter!!!!!!!), its easy, intuitive, and simple.. i dont understand why this hurts the player at all in play?/ im pretty sure even 900k players could play this easily Lmao, i also dont see hgow every signle sliderend that doesnt exist on a note in the history of osu is bad (which is what it sounds like ur saying) when context plays a huge part in it in every single circumstance | EVEN if there are "strong notes" in the sliders from "other stuff", why does it even matter when im mapping to the vocals and not other stuff, ive only mapped other stuff if there arent vocals there.. all the 1/2 BSD snap sliders are to vocals, none of the hitsounding is related to the drums/other instruments in the section,

the overwhelming majority of people do not have a problem with the 3/4 sliders but thats probably because it isnt even a problem i wouldn't use "oh but x people modded the map and they don't have issues with so it must be fine!!!!" as a valid reason, but i was just expressing how i felt that the rhythm choice doesn't compliment the song that well because of the hi-hats being completely ignored like that. basically the map emphasis doesn't really capture the song emphasis, but i can more or less accept your reasoning for it now.

i dont understand how mapping to 3/4 sliders in the verse before would help anything either when rhythm choice isnt a "gimmick", 3/4 sliders OR vocal mapping thats not randomly done arent even something that players have to adapt to understand in a smaller scale earlier on the map than for something like """""""sudden"""""""" 2x sv changes or spacing concepts

1/1 sliders compared to the current is super lame
that being said, i'm more or less satisfied with this answer, and on technicality there's nothing else i really have any concerns with that hasn't been explained already. get the 12 sp and maybe one or two mods then call me back.
VINXIS
Featured Artist
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Joined April 2014
VINXIS
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i hope thers no more bigq modz.......................................................


did a similar to the thing ill send it in next mod response then
Ametrin
717 posts
Joined May 2012
Ametrin
M4M

uhhhh this bg... :thinking:

[Easy]
00:20:664 (4) - maybe stop at 00:21:044 - ? feels like you are not following the drum at this part except this slider
00:24:272 - this might be clickable for the same reason
01:05:094 (2) - remove this? not strong enough imo

[Normal]
00:19:335 (3,4) - i don't think it's 00:19:904 (4) - that should be clickable... i mean maybe put two slider here or ctrl+g (just rhythm)
00:23:702 (6,7) - there's a sound here so maybe ctrl+g

[Bonsai's Insane]
nice sr
00:06:044 (2) - u think normal-whistle really fit this part? :?
01:03:006 - maybe put a note at the tail 01:03:196 (5) - ? slider 01:03:765 (6) - feel a bit unexpected since you follow all the way to the vocal
01:16:866 (2) - why not put some jumps like 01:15:917 (4,5) - to keep the intensity

[Hard]
00:22:942 (1) - i'll ctrl+g here. all point to the top kinda lose impact at here
00:39:461 (1) - sv 1.3 here seems a bit high..

[VINXIS's Insane]
00:05:474 (6,7) - feels a bit strange about ds here is even larger than 00:05:854 (7,1) -
00:32:436 - ignore this sound may not be a good idea :o just do as you did at 00:44:208 (1,2) -
01:12:879 (4,5) - ctrl+g? can't feel the impact on 01:13:259 (1) -
01:29:208 - i knoe u try to follow vocal but this blank is kinda misleading...

[Insane]
looks nice for me but 00:13:069 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 1 pixel error lol not perfect symmetrical

sorry but deetz's Insane and Expert is really nice :o nothing to say

:)
wajinshu
1,579 posts
Joined April 2015
wajinshu
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/612658
  • [Expert]
  1. 00:31:677 (4,5) - should have lesser spacing instead of 00:31:487 (3,4) - bcz vocals, its the only moment where you emphasize drum instead of vocals (00:35:474 (2,3) - 00:34:715 (4,5) - 00:36:234 (1,2) - etc.)
  2. 00:51:423 (5) - drum + softclap
  3. 00:51:613 (6) - symmetry and all, but maybe space this out a bit more? new part is coming, would be nice to have a jump here
  4. 01:00:727 (1) - whistle on head
  5. 01:03:575 (1,2,3) - id change the pattern here because 01:04:525 (1,2,3) - here you have the same pattern, but all 3 sounds are stronger and are strong equally, but here 01:03:765 (2,3) - these sounds are both pretty same weak. just doesnt make any sense for me tbh
  6. 01:08:322 (7) - whistle sounds nice
  7. 01:20:474 (7) - 01:14:398 (7) - ^
    wait, wasnt riven's set dq'ed for the same 1-2 jumps? i mean there they were pp and here fun, but concept is still pretty the same?
  • [deetz]
  1. 00:18:006 (6) - drum whistle
  2. 01:03:955 (8,1) - this is kinda way too much lol spacing is mostly equal to 00:22:942 (1,2) - where the gap is 1/1, even after this jump spacing is heavily decreased this harsh movement is really unkewl :|
    apart from that its godlike
  • [Insane]
  1. 00:39:461 (2) - maybe a 1/2 slider like here 00:12:120 (5) - ?
  2. 00:59:018 (1,2) - swap ncs to catch the vocals?
    cute
  • [vinxis]
  1. 00:19:145 (2) - since you decided to follow background sounds only, i think its better to delete this, doesnt make much sense imo
  2. 00:25:980 (1) - ctrl+j maybe? (and then 00:26:740 (2) - ctrl+g this one if you want)
  3. 00:37:373 (2,3,1) - do smth with spacing
  4. 00:56:550 (1) - just put it on 00:56:360 (4) -? current rhythm could work if you mapped everything, but since you dont, its better to simplify it
  5. 01:08:512 (1,2) - i just got a weird idea to end them on 1/3 lol wtf
  6. 01:19:145 - should be mapped as well
  7. 01:29:398 (1,1) - one of these ncs should not be there
  8. 01:31:297 (4,1) - thanks for peepee
    well i wish there were some circles instead of rpt-sliders like 01:14:018 (3) - to emphasize the vocals but oh well
thats it i think, good luck!
Bonsai
1,212 posts
Joined July 2011
Bonsai

Ametrin wrote:

[Bonsai's Insane]
nice sr thx lol
00:06:044 (2) - u think normal-whistle really fit this part? :? yup :!
01:03:006 - maybe put a note at the tail 01:03:196 (5) - ? slider 01:03:765 (6) - feel a bit unexpected since you follow all the way to the vocal nah that wouldn't make any sense since there's not beat there, all the vocal-notes are (almost) stacked, so 01:03:196 (5,6) being regular spacing again shouldn't be an issue for anyone, just standard reading
01:16:866 (2) - why not put some jumps like 01:15:917 (4,5) - to keep the intensity uuuh 1) what you call "jumps" are just circles with regular spacing, a jump would be bigger-than-regular spacing ^^ and 2) putting circles there (which I assume is what you wanted to suggest) wouldn't fit at all bc there are vocals there that have a holding note so it's mapped with a holding slider, it doesn't make a big difference for intensity anyways
aligator gozaimasu!

Bonsai wrote:

box
owait I didn't change anything
ac8129464363
1,560 posts
Joined October 2013
ac8129464363

wajinshu wrote:

  • [deetz]
  1. 00:18:006 (6) - drum whistle i'd rather have complete focus on the drum rhythm here
  2. 01:03:955 (8,1) - this is kinda way too much lol spacing is mostly equal to 00:22:942 (1,2) - where the gap is 1/1, even after this jump spacing is heavily decreased this harsh movement is really unkewl :| for now i won't change this, because I wanted this to feel very sudden and that's exactly what I had seemed to achieve from my playtesting. in fact, it's somewhat similar to what i did at 00:39:461 (5,1) - . however, i'll try to ask around a bit and do some more testing of my own though, to be 100% sure. i think there might be some validity in what you're saying here.
    apart from that its godlike thx u 2
VINXIS
Featured Artist
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VINXIS
ametrin
00:32:436 - no the vocals in both instances r different
01:29:208 - its rly not that hard considering how everything is spaced out


wajinshu
00:19:145 (2) - if u playd the map before looking at it urd proly know why its ther (playability btw)
00:25:980 (1) - y Lol
00:37:373 (2,3,1) - y Lol
00:56:550 (1) - isnt this already stacked on 4
01:08:512 (1,2) - that wud b quite weird
01:19:145 - its jus a breath bro
01:31:297 (4,1) - its 1 jump dude,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


o yea i didnt rly change ametrins first point but i changed the part after

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Lasse
Beatmap Nominator
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Topic Starter
Lasse
Ametrin

Ametrin wrote:

M4M

uhhhh this bg... :thinking:

[Easy]
00:20:664 (4) - maybe stop at 00:21:044 - ? feels like you are not following the drum at this part except this slider both work but current is nicer polarity
00:24:272 - this might be clickable for the same reason some rest moments are nice for low diffs and fits transition
01:05:094 (2) - remove this? not strong enough imo are we listening to the same song lol

[Normal]
00:19:335 (3,4) - i don't think it's 00:19:904 (4) - that should be clickable... i mean maybe put two slider here or ctrl+g (just rhythm) melody
00:23:702 (6,7) - there's a sound here so maybe ctrl+g current follows drums better

[Hard]
00:22:942 (1) - i'll ctrl+g here. all point to the top kinda lose impact at here kills the whole movement concept in this part
00:39:461 (1) - sv 1.3 here seems a bit high.. shapes makes it easy and very lenient cause end is so close

[Insane]
looks nice for me but 00:13:069 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 1 pixel error lol not perfect symmetrical

sorry but deetz's Insane and Expert is really nice :o nothing to say

:)

wajinshu

wajinshu wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/612658
  • [Expert]
  1. 00:31:677 (4,5) - should have lesser spacing instead of 00:31:487 (3,4) - bcz vocals, its the only moment where you emphasize drum instead of vocals (00:35:474 (2,3) - 00:34:715 (4,5) - 00:36:234 (1,2) - etc.) whole map is mainly about emphasis through spacing changes in either direction and matching overall intensity, not always "stronger sound" = higher ds
  2. 00:51:423 (5) - drum + softclap fixed
  3. 00:51:613 (6) - symmetry and all, but maybe space this out a bit more? new part is coming, would be nice to have a jump here angle+spacing fits fine here
  4. 01:00:727 (1) - whistle on head fixed
  5. 01:03:575 (1,2,3) - id change the pattern here because 01:04:525 (1,2,3) - here you have the same pattern, but all 3 sounds are stronger and are strong equally, but here 01:03:765 (2,3) - these sounds are both pretty same weak. just doesnt make any sense for me tbh for this whole buildup pattern vocals get high spacing, so 01:03:955 (3) - too
  6. 01:08:322 (7) - whistle sounds nice takes away from whistle on 01:08:512 - imo, I tried to use them very carefully
  7. 01:20:474 (7) - 01:14:398 (7) - ^ same
    wait, wasnt riven's set dq'ed for the same 1-2 jumps? i mean there they were pp and here fun, but concept is still pretty the same? patterning here follows the song though as it puts low spacing on non melody/non vocal circles instead of just sharp angle jump spam lol.
    also things like 00:18:575 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - are definitely not your typical anime 1-2 jumps

  • [Insane]
  1. 00:39:461 (2) - maybe a 1/2 slider like here 00:12:120 (5) - ? whole part is mapped without any filler rhythm so overmapping one sliderend would be lol
  2. 00:59:018 (1,2) - swap ncs to catch the vocals? current fits better imo, see 00:55:980 (1,2,3) -
    cute
thats it i think, good luck!

thanks!

updated everything and replaced deetz' bg with the same in less fucked up resolution
Doormat
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Doormat
thanks for the detailed replies and sorry for having to put up with me being anal about a few things lol.

i'm happy enough with the mapset as it currently is, so i don't see any reason to not push it forward.
pishifat
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pishifat
tilted me too
Chewin
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Chewin
it's so tilting
Bonsai
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Bonsai
these shitposts not being nominations
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Karen
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Karen
vinxis
00:04:335 (3,4) - no idea why you don't space them it's the same with 00:05:474 (6,7) -
00:09:461 (1) - delete this it doesn't follow sounds you're supposed to follow, probably
00:19:145 (2) - should skip this like the other parts
00:23:702 (3) - 1/1 slider works better with your rhythm logic
00:25:411 - ^ same since there's nothing on the red tick, like 00:30:348 - this one, i like tilting
00:25:221 - this could be clickable imo
00:27:689 (1,2) - if i'm not wrong you should swap nc here, the vocal is a new part
00:39:841 (1,2) - ^
00:44:778 (2,3) - 00:38:892 (2,3) - why are they inconsistent, personally i prefer the second one
00:51:993 - why not keep your concept in this part, it's too normal rn
01:08:512 (1,2,3) - 01:11:550 (1,2,3) - and 01:20:664 (1,2,3) - 01:23:702 (1,2) - this is the only thing i really don't like, don't go too far when you map gimmick stuff, consistency is still a basic mapping concept, you can tilt people with your rhythm or spacing but i just don't accept this. if you do this in different kiais it's acceptable tho but it's a short map
VINXIS
Featured Artist
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VINXIS
00:04:335 (3,4) - the direction chang4e is supposed to emphasize that, the spacing in that whole aprt isnt to emphasize single accented notes anyway it plays moreso into pitch
00:19:145 - whereeelse do i skip this
00:25:601 - theres a note righte there
00:25:221 - if u meant that this is where i skip as well, let me tell u that this place is completely different because look at how the patterning is spaced out here compared to th epart at 00:19:145 -, the 1 at 19 seconds plays a huge role in pattern playability and making the section more coherent for the player, also y should that b clickable >: /
00:44:778 (2,3) - 00:38:892 (2,3) - i real;ly wouldnt cosndier those 2 parts similar at all considering the first timestamp is much more similar to 00:32:816 - and that part (referring to 00:38:892 (2,3) -) only has similarity in terms of ending a minisection and having 2 piano notes, but it shuts off much more energy than the other 2 timestamps do
00:51:993 - the whole idea is to not map drums so i think it is keeping the concept, i shortened 2 sldiers in this section tho
01:08:512 (1,2,3) - 01:11:550 (1,2,3) - and 01:20:664 (1,2,3) - 01:23:702 (1,2) - its really not gimmicky i mean its ltiaerlly just 3/4 sliders, also there are vocals at each part and they really feel like 3/4 moreso than 1/1 or 1/2 aside for 01:21:044 (2) - where there is a vocal note there

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256,103,30727,6,0,L|255:276,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
65,332,31297,1,2,0:0:0:0:
65,332,31487,2,0,P|118:320|165:318,2,85
181,228,32056,2,0,P|232:239|398:360,1,255,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
487,342,32816,1,2,0:0:0:0:
419,179,33196,1,2,0:0:0:0:
419,179,33765,6,0,L|243:138,1,170,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,91,34335,1,2,0:0:0:0:
152,91,34525,2,0,P|143:139|148:181,2,85
349,193,35094,2,0,P|286:247|203:240,2,170,2|0|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
349,193,36234,2,0,P|327:110|322:26,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
322,26,36803,6,0,B|415:-4|397:69|485:38,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
511,206,37373,2,0,B|418:236|436:163|347:193,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
266,251,37942,1,0,0:0:0:0:
186,202,38132,6,0,L|15:232,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
18,231,38892,2,0,L|23:328,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
324,104,39272,1,2,0:0:0:0:
324,104,39841,5,6,0:0:0:0:
324,103,40601,6,0,P|319:146|324:188,1,85
478,186,40980,2,0,P|483:143|478:101,1,85
400,272,41360,5,2,0:0:0:0:
400,272,41550,2,0,P|369:302|238:348,1,170
8,384,42310,2,0,P|74:331|155:308,1,170
235,250,42879,6,0,L|255:66,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
178,9,43449,1,2,0:0:0:0:
178,8,43639,2,0,P|136:18|102:42,2,85
293,57,44208,6,0,P|354:66|461:36,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
457,38,44778,1,0,0:0:0:0:
477,134,44968,2,0,P|420:141|320:208,1,170,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
86,281,45917,6,0,L|273:251,1,170,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,170,46487,1,2,0:0:0:0:
288,170,46677,2,0,P|330:178|373:177,2,85
208,108,47246,6,0,P|148:113|59:198,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
321,23,48006,2,0,P|380:82|462:96,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
225,344,48765,1,0,0:0:0:0:
225,344,48955,6,0,B|268:258|183:265|226:162,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,212,49525,2,0,P|381:192|450:143,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
159,305,50284,6,0,P|77:284|8:235,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
0,134,50854,2,0,P|26:98|91:68,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
161,59,51234,5,2,0:0:0:0:
167,67,51613,1,2,0:0:0:0:
173,75,51993,6,0,P|240:81|114:213,1,425,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
116,217,53132,2,0,P|94:253|84:295,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,354,53512,6,0,L|367:324,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
322,228,54082,2,0,L|513:258,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
489,254,54651,2,0,P|493:308|486:356,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,288,55031,6,0,P|233:235|285:100,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
144,0,55601,2,0,P|167:53|115:188,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
44,227,56170,1,2,0:0:0:0:
114,324,56360,1,2,0:0:0:0:
114,324,56550,6,0,L|296:318,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
318,221,57120,2,0,P|379:231|472:157,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
480,92,57689,2,0,P|473:50|447:17,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
394,85,58069,6,0,P|340:58|206:62,1,170,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
144,168,58639,2,0,P|198:141|332:145,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
394,85,59208,1,2,0:0:0:0:
306,29,59398,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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259,213,60158,2,0,L|274:399,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
149,356,60727,2,0,P|146:304|171:251,1,85,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
114,101,61107,6,2,P|102:181|42:286,1,170,2|0,0:1|0:0,0:1:0:0:
198,9,61677,2,2,P|211:92|249:168,2,170,2|2|2,0:1|0:1|0:1,0:1:0:0:
443,233,62816,5,2,0:1:0:0:
126,333,63196,1,2,0:1:0:0:
256,188,63575,1,2,0:1:0:0:
256,188,63955,1,2,0:1:0:0:
312,100,64145,6,2,P|364:104|424:116,1,85,6|2,0:0|0:1,0:1:0:0:
381,304,64525,1,0,0:0:0:0:
200,284,64715,6,2,P|148:280|88:268,1,85,6|2,0:0|0:1,0:1:0:0:
131,80,65094,1,0,0:0:0:0:
256,188,65284,1,0,0:0:0:0:
28,360,65474,5,6,0:0:0:0:
468,104,66234,5,2,0:0:0:0:
28,360,66613,1,2,0:0:0:0:
28,360,67183,6,0,P|30:317|39:276,1,85,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
274,134,67563,2,0,P|282:175|285:217,1,85
432,345,67942,2,0,P|394:363|352:371,2,85
307,34,68512,6,0,P|244:40|184:62,1,127.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
130,125,68892,2,0,P|109:173|103:266,1,127.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
132,324,69272,2,0,P|181:351|386:336,1,255,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
61,113,70221,6,0,P|100:97|142:90,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
305,170,70601,2,0,P|346:176|386:192,1,85
131,323,70980,2,0,P|126:273|132:231,2,85
479,76,71550,6,0,P|416:82|360:113,1,127.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,192,71930,2,0,P|283:255|297:346,1,127.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,290,72310,2,0,P|412:226|368:110,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
379,126,72879,1,0,0:0:0:0:
300,192,73069,1,0,0:0:0:0:
380,127,73259,6,0,P|420:137|462:131,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
230,269,73639,2,0,P|189:258|147:264,1,85
264,30,74018,2,0,P|254:71|251:113,2,85
149,133,74588,6,0,P|146:197|164:290,1,127.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
198,345,74968,2,0,P|263:372|350:372,1,127.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,331,75348,2,0,P|456:305|441:249,1,127.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
378,207,75727,2,0,P|380:161|395:101,2,85,2|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,107,76297,6,0,P|323:52|425:16,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
183,186,76866,2,0,P|196:92|235:1,1,170
223,22,77436,2,0,P|161:35|122:33,1,85
0,107,77816,6,0,L|90:97,2,85,2|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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133,229,79335,6,0,P|179:228|218:240,1,85,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
386,351,79715,2,0,P|345:362|302:361,1,85
216,239,80094,2,0,P|221:172|250:127,2,85
429,184,80664,6,0,P|369:204|306:209,1,127.5,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
227,156,81044,2,0,P|165:135|111:137,1,85,2|0,1:0|1:0,1:0:0:0:
38,49,81423,2,0,P|124:37|287:73,1,255,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
402,27,82183,1,0,0:0:0:0:
401,26,82373,6,0,P|417:66|421:108,2,85,2|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
258,247,82942,2,0,P|298:223|351:134,1,127.5
344,157,83322,2,0,P|343:102|332:48,1,85
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471,222,84461,2,0,B|465:111|494:158|489:54,1,170,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
488,54,85031,2,0,P|448:66|406:69,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
287,34,85411,6,0,P|236:41|130:147,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
174,384,86170,2,0,P|178:341|180:299,2,85
28,229,86740,6,0,P|95:226|200:184,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
484,229,87499,2,0,P|417:226|312:184,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
321,190,88069,2,0,P|331:247|332:286,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
190,190,88449,6,0,P|203:125|246:24,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
242,29,89398,2,0,P|174:39|137:40,1,85
287,98,89778,6,0,P|342:84|474:119,1,170,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
462,251,90537,2,0,P|407:265|275:230,1,170,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
211,273,91107,1,0,0:0:0:0:
279,333,91297,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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256,192,91582,12,6,94525,0:0:0:0:
Karen
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Karen
woah
bite you death
Beatmap Nominator
654 posts
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bite you death
i havent seen an insane with lower sr than hard qualified in a while
Aireu
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Aireu
[Expert]



00:00:348 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1,1,1,2,3,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1) - remap :) :) :) 8-) :!:
Len
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Len
ignor ds gimmicks r rly hard to read n play but concepts k nic work
ac8129464363
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Xinnoh
Elite Mapper
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Xinnoh
is it just me or is the timing early, adding 5+ ms would fit better
@bonsai

also vinxis 01:21:044 (2) -
Bonsai
1,212 posts
Joined July 2011
Bonsai
don't think so, it might work better with the snares but most of the bass-beats would sound late then, so it seems alright to me as is
Leiwa
575 posts
Joined July 2012
Leiwa
I hope you'll answer this

00:09:272 (1,1,1,1) - why they all have NC? It makes them hard to read and don't do any sense.
00:10:791 (3,1,2,1) - what are these notes? why 3,1,2 have same distance and 1,2,1 have different distance? moreever, 00:11:550 (1) - has more quiet sound than 2, but you put in bigger space, what did you tried to express?
00:17:436 (3,4,1,2) - similar with above one. you put 1/4 and 1/2 with same distance. BUT they don't have same sound.
00:19:145 (2,1,2,1,2) - you broke your patterns. If you wanted to express piano sounds, delete NCs and put 00:20:854 (1,2,1) - in same way, didn't you?
00:23:322 (1) - 00:51:613 (6) - This part looks crude, or put without no thinking. You just followed rhythm, not music. If you did, you can explain the reason why you put each part in this way.
01:05:474 (3) - why this has such a big distance than 01:03:955 (3,3) - ?
01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - you followed drum sounds, at least we look so. but they don't have same distance although have same sounds.

Thanks anyway.
Lasse
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Lasse

Urushi38 wrote:

I hope you'll answer this sure

00:09:272 (1,1,1,1) - why they all have NC? It makes them hard to read and don't do any sense. nc in that part is structured around snapping changes
00:10:791 (3,1,2,1) - what are these notes? why 3,1,2 have same distance and 1,2,1 have different distance? moreever, 00:11:550 (1) - has more quiet sound than 2, but you put in bigger space, what did you tried to express? are both snare + melody, then00:11:550 (1) - follows the increase in melody + change in drum with a drastic spacing increase
00:17:436 (3,4,1,2) - similar with above one. you put 1/4 and 1/2 with same distance. BUT they don't have same sound. idk how this is a problem, the 1/4 spacing is just part of the map design. also 00:17:721 (4,1,2) - are all snares so idk why they "don't have the same sound"???, then 3 is changing drum again
00:19:145 (2,1,2,1,2) - you broke your patterns. If you wanted to express piano sounds, delete NCs and put 00:20:854 (1,2,1) - in same way, didn't you? nc is following the kick-sanre drums, while piano notes starting from 00:19:335 (1) - (cause they don't stand out much for the 2 combos before that) get high spacing, no idea what your problem with this is
00:23:322 (1) - 00:51:613 (6) - This part looks crude, or put without no thinking. You just followed rhythm, not music. If you did, you can explain the reason why you put each part in this way. are you going to question the placement of each individual object? that's pretty pointless. the part focuses on mapping drums/melody/vocals without any filler rhyth, highlighting changes in the song through spacing changes while keeping the maps partially ambiguous 1/1 - 1/2 spacing concept and the aim+uncomfortable movement concept by using corners and high spacing 1/1 a lot. all this while utilizing some basic symmetry and visual spacing to keep objects organized.
also putting low ds on snares whenever possible (no vocal, not after slider) to highlight them with a spacing change that's not a jump, but not when it's the second snare after the low spacing one since low spacing again would lose its effect => high spacing in that case, see 00:31:487 (3,4,5,6) -
01:05:474 (3) - why this has such a big distance than 01:03:955 (3,3) - ? song builds up a lot + cymbal/ending note of the whole buildup?
01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - you followed drum sounds, at least we look so. but they don't have same distance although have same sounds. "vocal" = big spacing, drum = "normal" spacing (except the start at 01:25:411 (1,2,1,2) - focuses on melody here to transition/work with the more held vocal), comboing is used to make the repeating kick-snare drum pattern stand out like 00:18:575 -

Thanks anyway same.
Leiwa
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Joined July 2012
Leiwa
Sadly I'm too noob to get your idea, only got you thought something.
Btw, thanks for sincere answer. Hope your map get right rate.
_handholding
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Joined April 2014
_handholding
Not even caring about the SR but the spread seems a bit messed up with the way it's all composed; talking about normal, hard, Bonsai's Insane. Individually you would refer to Bonsai's diff as an insane and the hard as a hard from the composition of difficulty elements and what not. But together on the same set they don't collabrate well to make a spread fitting to those looking to progress in terms of difficulty. The hard is only labelled as a hard because it doesn't use many increased spacings, it's complexity, object density, and the skill required to read would make it an light insane/insane. Bonsai's diff itself is easier but only to those that are used to playing a plethora of patterns without DS, heck it even has a higher AR.

So my point is that where the 2 diffs may be acceptable as stand alone diffs they do not server well to make a well progressive spread spread. Neither of the two serve as an appropriate step up from a normal and even go on to confuse players as with the difficulty naming tied with the SRs (Most of the players of this skill level are pretty much babies). I would think it would be better for the player base if a new diff was added after normal and having a much more dense rhythm to Bonsai's insane.
Natsu
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Natsu
TBH bonsai's diff is easier to play than the hard and if you label it as Insane then the hard should be labed like that too.
Lasse
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Lasse
@Kisses: The gap between normal - hard is fine though and Bonsai's diff is just an additional difficulty for people to pick from. The low spacing high sv concept is something you wouldn't expect from a hard, whereas the hard doesn't use any "complex" ideas, which is why the difficulties are named like that.

My difficulties were designed to make a proper spread with normal progression on their own, while the GD Insanes provide some different interpretation of the song/concepts for people to pick from, which I think is really cute.

@Natsu: Please consider that even if you might not actively play anymore, you have played this game a lot, so you have way more experience and a different skillset from people actually expected to play the hard.
If you can deal with higher ar and movement on sliders often being much faster than between objects the diff might be easier to you simply for density+ar reasons, doesn't mean it will be easier for the target audience of hards.


tl;dr: Difficulties are named according to concepts they use. Spread is unusual but fine, still offers the expected progression within non-gd diffs anyways.
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Monstrata
Agree with Natsu. Bonsai's Insane is easier than the Hard lmao. Higher AR is not an indicator of a map's inherent difficulty. Slapping AR 10 on a Normal doesn't make the map more difficult if one can already read the patterns, it's just a poor choice of AR. Your argument has to assume that the current AR fits the difficulty of the map. That's debatable. Anyways, the difference between AR 7 and AR 8 is only 150 ms which is a very small difference.

The difficulty of Bonsai's Insane comes from the slider speed, and to some degree, the jumps/flowbreaks. But most patterns are easy to read. Maybe not 01:33:955 (4,1,2) - but meh.

I really think the problem is the Hard difficulty. You use a lot of patterns that are difficult to read, and the AR only serves to complicate it.

Stuff like: 00:14:968 (8,1) - Is hard to predict due to the similarity in pattern. But the rhythm clearly shifts.
01:15:727 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This is even worse, because it's basically Kuroko mapping now. The pattern is basically forcing players to play stacks using both 1/2 and 1/1 rhythms in very short succession. The pattern makes sense on an Insane of course, but this is not a skillset you should expect from players for a Hard difficulty. This is introducing visual patterns that "suggest" a certain rhythm. The partial overlap stacks indicating 1/2, and the perfect stacks indicating 1/1. Actually, you should check some of the replays, you'll notice people who are between 500-900pp mess up a lot on these places.

Another thing that you wouldn't expect on Hard is anti-jumps like: 01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - These force players to suddenly slow down their movement immensely, which really doesn't fit especially since you've set up these patterns to encourage players to take advantage of slider-head leniency. 01:28:829 (2,3,4) - Is what you should have expected on a Hard.

01:29:778 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - Variable spacing is also really confusing, especially since the movement is on red ticks. Not to mention they cause players to have to make really small movements in between 2>3 and 4>5 which makes aiming even worse. You can't expect Hard players to aim in the middle of the pattern, They will try and click the middle of each circle. If you look at some replays you'll see this really slight movement.

Not to mention, 01:30:158 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - is really dense for a Hard too... I mean, 6 1/2 circles in a row followed by a 5-note stream. This is not something you'd expect on a Hard either...

I don't think Bonsai's Insane is the issue, I think it's the Hard.




Also what is with this background... Like, it's literally a portrait image that's sideways and it doesn't even look like the girl is lying or something cuz of the way gravity works...
Lasse
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bg is cute

it's true that the hard utilizes some less usual movement stuff, but it's still within limits of a hard diff, even if current hards are really dumbed down in most cases. it lets people experience some movement ideas that are similar to the top difficulty, but much easier to play, which fits the set well.

for the "antijumps": no idea what your problem with these is, they are easy to play and used throughout the whole map so people will get used to them.

the last pattern uses really low spacing which together with the bpm not being very high makes it perfectly. fine
Natsu
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I have to disagree, Bonsai's diff has simple rhythm, simple patterns and little spacing, while the hard diff has complex patterns, complex rhythm and more spacing variations, I don't think it's appropiate to label it as hard, tbh it's more appropiate to call bonsai's diff hard and your current one to hyper or light insane.
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Lasse wrote:

bg is cute Doesn't really excuse the fact it's not the right orientation... There are so many other backgrounds that could have worked...

it's true that the hard utilizes some less usual movement stuff, but it's still within limits of a hard diff, even if current hards are really dumbed down in most cases. it lets people experience some movement ideas that are similar to the top difficulty, but much easier to play, which fits the set well. But I wasn't talking about movements. I was talking about associating different rhythm choices with the same visual patterning. The way the map is designed isn't reflective of what a Hard map should entail.

for the "antijumps": no idea what your problem with these is, they are easy to play and used throughout the whole map so people will get used to them. It's the way you set them up. You should have used a different style of patterning and different approach to sliders. Right now you're encouraging players to utilize slider-leniency to play them, which causes the anti-jumps to feel more out of place. I only pointed out the ones at the end because only those ones were the issue, not the rest of the map, or I would have said that as a general issue xP.

the last pattern uses really low spacing which together with the bpm not being very high makes it perfectly. fine I wasn't talking about low spacing... I was talking about the note density. The low spacing also isn't the issue, it's the fact that it creates varied small spacing that is difficult to track because players at this level are not accustomed to making very small stop/go type movements. The issue is movement in this case because it is demanding something that requires precision. The spike in density is another issue in itself.
SnowNiNo_
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well im here just to say that hard diff is indeed harder then Bonsai's insane
insane testplay, hard testplay (both are sightread)

btw

Lasse wrote:

for the "antijumps": no idea what your problem with these is, they are easy to play and used throughout the whole map so people will get used to them.
these structure is the main reason why i think hard diff is harder lol
Lasse
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Monstrata wrote:

Stuff like: 00:14:968 (8,1) - Is hard to predict due to the similarity in pattern. But the rhythm clearly shifts.the way it is set up makes it pretty simple to understand
01:15:727 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This is even worse, because it's basically [...] ??? it uses the same concept as all other intense parts, 1/1
are stacks and 1/2 are spaced or overlapped

Another thing that you wouldn't expect on Hard is anti-jumps like: 01:25:411 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - These force players to suddenly slow down their movement immensely what is the problem with that though. It's easier to play than using high spacing since at this point players will be really used to them and still makes the vocals there stand out due to the change in movement from before. 00:19:335 (1,2,3) - basically introduces the same thing early into the map , which really doesn't fit especially since you've set up these patterns to encourage players to take advantage of slider-head leniency. 01:28:829 (2,3,4) - Is what you should have expected on a Hard.

01:29:778 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - Variable spacing is also really confusing, especially since the movement is on red ticks how do ticks matter lol. the whole pattern starts on a red tick and follows the red tick vocals which makes it very easy to comprehend . Not to mention they cause players to have to make really small movements in between 2>3 and 4>5 which makes aiming even worse. You can't expect Hard players to aim in the middle of the pattern, They will try and click the middle of each circle. If you look at some replays you'll see this really slight movement.

Not to mention, 01:30:158 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - is really dense for a Hard too... I mean, 6 1/2 circles in a row followed by a 5-note stream. This is not something you'd expect on a Hard either... explained before
But I wasn't talking about movements. I was talking about associating different rhythm choices with the same visual patterning.
The 1/2 and 1/1 use different patterning though, as mentioned above

The low spacing also isn't the issue, it's the fact that it creates varied small spacing that is difficult to track because players at this level are not accustomed to making very small stop/go type movements.
If they manage to fc this far into the map they should be accustomed enough to this type of movement tbh


@nino: you're way above the target audience of these difficulties and played them with hddt so lol
would be the same as me posting these (1, 2) to state the opposite, when it doesn't really have any relevance
naming has been explained in depth above
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Lasse wrote:

for the "antijumps": no idea what your problem with these is, they are easy to play and used throughout the whole map so people will get used to them.

the last pattern uses really low spacing which together with the bpm not being very high makes it perfectly. fine
It's not really fine though. You're expecting people who have just come from playing perfectly DS'd maps to play a plethora of patterns that use varying DS and an extremely high density. I was going to write another post but Monstrata pretty much summed it all up whilst I was a sleep, nice dude. You have really forced patterning which can make a map interesting but not easy to learn from those transitioning from normals. You kinda have to ask the question, would a player really benefit from such extreme differences in the 2 diffs.

Adding another diff between normal and hard would go a long way for the huge population of players in that skill range. generic maps generally tend to be well received by players because of how intuitive they are; adding one would be nice C:
Pachiru
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just rename bonsai's insane by hard and problem solved
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Pachiru wrote:

just rename bonsai's insane by hard and problem solved
Seeing as that diff is composed as an Insane I don't see it was appropriate for players to have that as the next stepping stone from the normal diff
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Kisses wrote:

Pachiru wrote:

just rename bonsai's insane by hard and problem solved
Seeing as that diff is composed as an Insane I don't see it was appropriate for players to have that as the next stepping stone from the normal diff
Don't take my argument into consideration, cause it was just a dumb thing I suggested, forget it, sorry for this :(

In my opinion, there is a style of pattern that could fool the player, like this one 00:31:866 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - (on Hard diff) - I'm not sure, but I think it's called "anti-jumps" (sorry if I'm wrong).
Just want to point this part 01:30:158 (2,3,4,5,6) - cause it looks quite weird to me, I think doesn't represent well the song.

I think the difficulty spike between Normal and Hard is quite big, cause in the Hard diff, you're using some complicate patterns (e.g. anti-jumps), that could be introduced in a Insane difficulty, instead of an Hard, or if you have a diff between Normal and Hard, I think that would be okay to use this, since the player can be prepared for this due to the diff between Normal & Hard.

Again, sorry for the meme thing.
I like the map construction, it's fun to play tho~
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