Anxient wrote:
this is a good civilization.
Anxient wrote:
this is a good civilization.
Current BN tiering system is dissolved and replaced with a 1-2 month probationary system with provisions for promotion/demotion based on conductI for real can't tell much to the Tier System because it was only a osu! thing. But from my view i support this idea. And like Irre said above, "Following the CoC etc. etc. is an important matter, too."
Long, consistently serving BN will receive a special title which they may choose to wear upon their retirement from the team. This will apply retroactively to all qualifying, currently-retired BN.Absolute support this. BN's do a ton of work for osu! and their community, everyone put his free time into this voluntary hobby. Some rewards for their work should have happend already long ago xP
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The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.
Divisions will receive more attention and reworking by members of the QAT to better reflect active participation in them by those who are interested.Hmm.. with "by those who are interested" you mean you want to make participation into BN division optional? If so i don't know if this is such a good idea. Divisons should get a part of the BNG Membership for the sake of the community. Within division the BN's work closer together and have someone to ask if needed without bigger trouble. A highlight is enough. Right now the division thing is running actually pretty cool and smooth (Maybe just some are a bit inactive but then just drop a whip there).
QAT will be freed from administrative obligation (regarding busywork and the like) and will be encouraged to check qualified maps of their own volition again. A new reporting system will be linked to the internal QAT channels, allowing them to fill their primary obligation as members of the team - to respond to complaints about improperly qualified maps.As far i know we were never discouraged to check qualify maps. We always could do that, just not DQ on our own when for playability changes. I as example did check a lot of maps since the reporting system started and did disqualify them if something was against the RC. For massive playability stuff i just did drop a mod if necessary and asked an other QAT to look over it.
QAT will be encouraged to consider minimalist revisions of the current Ranking Criteria to promote higher quality beatmaps whilst also removing unnecessary roadblocks to alternate mapping styles entering RankedI put a big "Under Construction" sign here. A rework of the ranking criteria for all modes is currently going on.
The de-facto leadership of the QAT will be determined by applicants expressing their interest, and placing themselves before a combined vote of the BN and QAT. The top two applicants will be considered as the QAT leadership, and will work closely with a member of the osu! team (myself, currently) to see the day-to-day affairs of running the team kept in order, and also to tackle any issues that may arise.QAT leader: Good
Exactly, I don't want to have a leader who never communicate with us.Monstrata wrote:
Also, I'd rather have a QAT in charge that is popular and can get along with the BN ecosystem than a QAT who might be "better" (very subjective too) at their job, but has very little support from the people they want to lead. You only fear the QAT leadership will become dysfunctional because the unpopular QAT's (You, Cryptic, Doyak etc...) won't have a chance compared to pishifat/oko/maybe kwan if shes staying. But do you really think they will create a dysfunctional leadership? What criteria do you think determines a good QAT leader? And why do you fear that other QAT members might not meet that criteria?
Ephemeral wrote:
- Current BN tiering system is dissolved and replaced with a 1-2 month probationary system with provisions for promotion/demotion based on conduct
thanks, BN tiers was big mistake- BN members receive increased acknowledgement via a forum title and some sort of visual identification (currently a purple name a la MAT). This particular point is temporary and will not carry over into the 'moddingv2' version of the Beatmap Nominators.
Why temporary? tbh I never understand why you guys never notice that BNs are the ones who keep the game running, make this permanent- The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.
I really don't like to have ranking system, it's better to have rewards tbh- Divisions will receive more attention and reworking by members of the QAT to better reflect active participation in them by those who are interested.
I'm happy to work with a team, but being honest my experience with division is bad, for example in the last month I made 23 icons vs 13 from the other 5 members, I think a rework is needed, maybe an activity balance? I really don't like using discord and I'd prefer if we keep using the forum instead of an external app (but that's just me, maybe?)
Current BN tiering system is dissolved and replaced with a 1-2 month probationary system with provisions for promotion/demotion based on conductMy only concern with the tiering system was the lack of clear indicator which shows who belongs where. But actually, I'm fine with this proposal at the moment.
BN members receive increased acknowledgment via a forum title and some sort of visual identification (currently a purple name a la MAT). This particular point is temporary and will not carry over into the 'moddingv2' version of the Beatmap Nominators.As I was a part of the newBAT and I was there when the red color disappeared and I was among the fighters who wanted some indicator what shows that he/she does something useful for the community and helps the mappers finding someone who can move their maps forward. I still remember when Loctav said that color won't be a thing then when the badges appeared I remember we requested to make it seeable everywhere on the forum, this never happened as well. Ever since I became a QAT we brought up this topic several times but nothing happened because of reasons, now you come with the same, one hundred times spoken idea saying it could be a thing. I'm not against this just feels weird because BNs are waiting for something like this for 3 (or more) years already.
Long, consistently serving BN will receive a special title which they may choose to wear upon their retirement from the team. This will apply retroactively to all qualifying, currently-retired BN.I totally support this.
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The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.
Divisions will receive more attention and reworking by members of the QAT to better reflect active participation in them by those who are interested."those who are interested"? It shouldn't be optional in my opinion. Better to help out the new recruits in a smaller team than leaving them on their own. The division system is good just needs more attention than they got in the past.
QAT will be freed from administrative obligation (regarding busywork and the like) and will be encouraged to check qualified maps of their own volition again. A new reporting system will be linked to the internal QAT channels, allowing them to fill their primary obligation as members of the team - to respond to complaints about improperly qualified maps.We were never discouraged to not check them and we were never limited to administrative work but you must keep in mind that a few of us has a little to no time to actually participate into the ranking so that might be the reason it felt like we are not allowed to do so. Anyway, I really like the idea of the reporting system although the thread already served that purpose.
QAT will be encouraged to consider minimalist revisions of the current Ranking Criteria to promote higher quality beatmaps whilst also removing unnecessary roadblocks to alternate mapping styles entering RankedThe current criteria can't be considered as strict, there is no limit for alternate mapping styles. It mostly blocks the game breakers and the useless stuff. The revision is on-going anyway so this feels useless.
The de-facto leadership of the QAT will be determined by applicants expressing their interest, and placing themselves before a combined vote of the BN and QAT. The top two applicants will be considered as the QAT leadership, and will work closely with a member of the osu! team (myself, currently) to see the day-to-day affairs of running the team kept in order, and also to tackle any issues that may arise.Having a leader is good but actually, I do not know why should the BNs be allowed to vote. I mean, they will get little to no benefit from doing so. The QAT is basically the leader of the BNs anyway. I do not have time to be a leader and I rather go back to modding anyway so I do not really mind but it feels weird.
I have no opinion on the tiering system as it didn't affect the gamemode I am part of. I'm okay with the probationary period.Ephemeral wrote:
Current BN tiering system is dissolved and replaced with a 1-2 month probationary system with provisions for promotion/demotion based on conduct
I've read from you and other members of the staff that the BNs are extremely important to the game. This seems to conflict with how little recognition and reward BNs currently receive. While the stuff mentioned above is an attempt, it's still inadequate. The color name is completely pointless if it's temporary, especially with moddingv2 coming supposedly soon. I'm not really keen on the idea of having a competition - because, whatever thing you want to factor in in the formula, it's still a competition - to give some sort of mid-term reward. As other have mentioned, a monthly osu!supporter tag could be well received, as it's something far more concrete. This, along with the title thing - which I'm okay with - levels the rewards for the BNG with the current situation for the QATs (which is, according to the proposal, getting a buff, too).Ephemeral wrote:
- BN members receive increased acknowledgement via a forum title and some sort of visual identification (currently a purple name a la MAT). This particular point is temporary and will not carry over into the 'moddingv2' version of the Beatmap Nominators.
- Long, consistently serving BN will receive a special title which they may choose to wear upon their retirement from the team. This will apply retroactively to all qualifying, currently-retired BN.
- The most active BN will be determined every 6 months via a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity, and will receive the Elite Nominator title plus suitable accolades for their efforts.
This is way too abstract and not concrete, so I'm not commenting on this. I just wanted to say that I thought since day one that the subdivisions, at least for catch, were not going to work and I'm glad we've been merged again.Ephemeral wrote:
Divisions will receive more attention and reworking by members of the QAT to better reflect active participation in them by those who are interested.
The reporting system sounds cool. As other have mentioned, it must include something to state the reasons for the report (I don't know how "mods" post qualification are going to be handled in moddingv2).Ephemeral wrote:
QAT will be freed from administrative obligation (regarding busywork and the like) and will be encouraged to check qualified maps of their own volition again. A new reporting system will be linked to the internal QAT channels, allowing them to fill their primary obligation as members of the team - to respond to complaints about improperly qualified maps.
QATs can, like any other member of the community, already propose additions, removals of modifications to the RC, that go through the respective UBKRC group. Also, I don't think the RC is that strict, at least in catch, to roadblock alternative mapping styles, so there's another reason to consider this unnecessary on my side.Ephemeral wrote:
QAT will be encouraged to consider minimalist revisions of the current Ranking Criteria to promote higher quality beatmaps whilst also removing unnecessary roadblocks to alternate mapping styles entering Ranked
As QATs directly influence the BNG, I personally think the BNG should be able to vote. Obviously, BN votes shouldn't be weighted the same as QAT votes due to the large difference in the amount of members in both groups.Ephemeral wrote:
The de-facto leadership of the QAT will be determined by applicants expressing their interest, and placing themselves before a combined vote of the BN and QAT. The top two applicants will be considered as the QAT leadership, and will work closely with a member of the osu! team (myself, currently) to see the day-to-day affairs of running the team kept in order, and also to tackle any issues that may arise.[/list]
In addition, long-serving BN (>1.5 years) will qualify for a special title which they may choose to have applied to their account when they retire. What this will be is still being considered, but probably something involving community and modding somehow.
Long, consistently serving BN will receive a special title which they may choose to wear upon their retirement from the team. This will apply retroactively to all qualifying, currently-retired BN.Question, if this proposed change applied on the future - will the old BNs before the change get the costum forum title on their retirement as well? Or the custom title only applied on current and upcoming BNs member? I just ask for fairness, because I think there's some BNs on past that deserved recognition as well on what they do on moderating maps.
MAT* :3Sinnoh wrote:
Rewards
BNs will have purple names, like the old BAT
Maxylan wrote:
Also, If I were a BN I'd love to have more filtering options for the pending beat maps listings, and more incentive to push maps made by newer players to ranked standards without as much fear of backlash from QAT (within reasonable limits, of course, I'm not suggesting we should incentivise them to bubble maps that are low quality but I'm saying if a map is a good quality it shouldn't have to rot for months in the pending beat maps section just because the mapper is unknown and the sheer volume of maps constantly being uploaded).
Me personally if I ever feel like random-modding something at this point I ain't got nothing to work on other than SP (which doesn't always speak for map quality) and the reputation of the mapper who made it, and I dislike the fact that mappers with a reputation can breeze through ranked while there's still maps several months or even years old in the pending beat maps page who's only got 2-3 views by BN's. I feel like more filtering options for beat maps in the pending beat maps listing would help find maps worthwhile a watch both for community members such as myself and BN's who's actual "job" it is to promote content suitable for ranked. The additional incentive to find and push high-quality maps made by aspiring mappers should also make the ranking process more enjoyable for aspiring mappers because currently, it feels like an uphill battle for respect in every way imaginable.
In that case, why not paying the most active mappers? They're producing content for the game too.dudehacker wrote:
I think BN/QAT should be paid more, not with supporter status but real money so they can have more time to rank maps. Osu is a community driven game, and BN/QAT are the core of that community. You need to satisfy the core before you can satisfy the rest.
i agree with this, because some of BN's lost their motivation after being pick up in BN list (after 3 or 4 month)dudehacker wrote:
I think BN/QAT should be paid more, not with supporter status but real money so they can have more time to rank maps. Osu is a community driven game, and BN/QAT are the core of that community. You need to satisfy the core before you can satisfy the rest.
Considering that osu! is free to play I wonder where you think that money is supposed to come from.Eldergleam wrote:
i agree with this, because some of BN's lost their motivation after being pick up in BN list (after 3 or 4 month)dudehacker wrote:
I think BN/QAT should be paid more, not with supporter status but real money so they can have more time to rank maps. Osu is a community driven game, and BN/QAT are the core of that community. You need to satisfy the core before you can satisfy the rest.
Endaris wrote:
Eldergleam wrote:
dudehacker wrote:
I think BN/QAT should be paid more, not with supporter status but real money so they can have more time to rank maps. Osu is a community driven game, and BN/QAT are the core of that community. You need to satisfy the core before you can satisfy the rest.
i agree with this, because some of BN's lost their motivation after being pick up in BN list (after 3 or 4 month)
Considering that osu! is free to play I wonder where you think that money is supposed to come from.