Lemme join this party too.
So yeah but all in all, I'm fine with this point.
Anyways, I don't even think this needs further discussion anymore as it has been discussed countless times already. I'm totally fine with it.
I'm all for adding a "report a map" button to the map listing or whatever. That would actually make reporting much more accessible (I have seen people not even knowing that the thread existed). Also:
Talking about "alternate mapping styles", if it's really about 2B or anything, I think it really depends on what state loved is right now (I haven't followed current developments there). But yeah, not really sure what is meant by alternate mapping styles.
Mostly fine with this.
So yeah, I'm against this point for now, not because of the idea of a leadership but because of the way these leaders are elected.
tl;dr I'm fine with most of the points mentioned in the proposal except for two things:
1) I disagree with instantly promoting all current T1 BNs to "full members" as I think it should be case by case who goes there and who should prove himself again in the probation period.
2) The way QAT leaders would be elected according to the draft makes me fear that it ends up being a populatity contest and thus end up in a disfunctional leadership.
Couldn't agree more. So yeah, I'll give my opinion to the proposal too:Deif wrote:
To be honest, I'm sick and tired of getting blamed for not being transparent enough towards other members of the modding community.
Dissolution of the current BN tiering systemWe discussed the probation period thing in the last meeting and I'm all for it. One potential problem I have is the "All existing BN will be promoted to 'full members'" thing as I think that we should not just blindly "promote" all of our current BNs. In my opinion, it might be better to look at all current T1s and decide case by case who we can put into the "regular members" already and who we'd like to go into the probation period first in order to prove themselves again.
The current BN tiering system will be dissolved, and replaced with a probationary system.
New BN will enter the system at this probationary level. We will call it 'T1' just for the sake of familiarity. All existing BN will be promoted to 'full members' (aka, T2) and will be allowed to both qualify and bubble maps at will.
Probationary members will not be permitted to qualify - only to bubble. The probation period will not exceed longer than a 2 month timeframe, with most people ideally out of probation after QAT review after a one month time period.
Full members may be reduced to the probationary level at any time by QAT consensus if their conduct is deemed unacceptable, or they repeatedly make large mistakes or oversights.
Probationary members that prove problematic for whatever reason will be opened up to a QAT consensus vote for dismissal from the BN. This must pass with a significant majority (66%+).
A new BN addition round will begin immediately. The new members will enter at the probationary level.
So yeah but all in all, I'm fine with this point.
Beatmap Nominator acknowledgementI think proposing this again and again already dates back to 2014, so yeah, I think it's about time that they get it. I don't really see why we'd do it temporarely though, can't we carry it over to the new website like QAT/GMT colours and titles?
Full members of the Beatmap Nominators (aka: not probationary members) will once again receive a forum title and the purple name they were once known for in the past.
Probationary members do not receive this until they become a full member.
This is a temporary change and will not be carried over into the new system. Nominators under the new system (new being the automated system referenced in the past) will receive a different form of visual identification, yet to be determined.
This way, people that find BN via the forums will know that purple equals someone that can help. There will be no need to consult tier lists or anything of the sort.
In addition, long-serving BN (>1.5 years) will qualify for a special title which they may choose to have applied to their account when they retire. What this will be is still being considered, but probably something involving community and modding somehow.
Anyways, I don't even think this needs further discussion anymore as it has been discussed countless times already. I'm totally fine with it.
Beatmap Nominator rewardsNot really sure what to think about the Elite Nominator title being handed out for activity only as Elite to me rather means that they are good with what they are doing rather than spamming mods like a machine. Otherwise, I'm fine with the concept.
The most active BN member every 6 months as determined by a composite consideration of successfully qualified beatmaps and overall modding activity will receive the "Elite Nominator" title permanently, and 6 months of osu! supporter, plus 3 months that they may gift to any of their friends.
This will also be featured as a standalone news announcement complete with social media advertisement.
Other rewards will be considered as time goes on and new systems are announced.
DivisionsWe are already discussing how we could make the divisions function better. I don't really think merging them is that reasonable though if we'd actually for example make them optional, i.e. making BNs who want to be loners work alone and let BNs who want to work together form a division under a voluntary QAT lead. But yeah, I agree with reworking the division system in general.
Divisions will be merged together into larger but separate units based on overall activity, with attention paid to common cooperation and friendships existing between divisions at the moment.
This one is a bit nebulous and may require further consideration.
QAT changesI mean we were never discouraged from bubbling or qualifying but yeah, I don't think it's bad to allow QATs to disqualify on their own again (in case we are allowed to).
QAT will be no longer barred (or discouraged) from bubbling, qualifying, or vetting qualified maps on their own.
The 'report a map' thread will be closed, and the functionality shifted to a 'report this map' button on the beatmap's web page. These reports will coalesce at certain thresholds within the #qat channel on the osu! internal discord, and all QAT will be expected to review these maps for potential issues as soon as they notice them.
QAT will be encouraged to return to checking qualified maps of their own initiative and interest, and a solution will be made to try to automatically allocated newly qualified maps to certain divisions for checking and approval.
My current idea for this is a Discord bot will notify divisions in their channels when a newly qualified map is assigned to them. I'm open to other ideas.
QAT will also be strongly encouraged to consider minimalist revisions of the current Ranking Criteria to promote higher quality beatmaps while removing unnecessary roadblocks to having alternate mapping styles enter Ranked. They will do so under the leadership of a self-appointed leader(s), explained more below.
I'm all for adding a "report a map" button to the map listing or whatever. That would actually make reporting much more accessible (I have seen people not even knowing that the thread existed). Also:
I think this is a really good idea and some divisions like oko's and mine partially already do this with members highlighting the division once they icon or in my division we recently put the bot into our channel to show eachother what the division members are doing.Deif wrote:
I'd like to propose that the qualified map nominated by certain division shall be checked by the same division (eg if Bonsai qualifies a map, Okorin should be notified in this case). That way we'd kill two birds with the same stone: A fairly high amount of qualified maps (if not all) would be revised, and also the subdivision leaders would have a better overview about what their members nominate.
Talking about "alternate mapping styles", if it's really about 2B or anything, I think it really depends on what state loved is right now (I haven't followed current developments there). But yeah, not really sure what is meant by alternate mapping styles.
Mostly fine with this.
QAT rewardsNothing to say here, totally fine.
Long-standing members of the QAT (>2 years) will receive a profile badge denoting their tenure and marking anything significant they achieved during their time on the team.
They will be afforded a permanent place on the osu! Alumni should they choose to retire. They will also receive osu! supporter equivalent to the length of their service on the team once they retire.
Some of this is already the case, but I figured I'd state it again just to make people aware.
Returning agencyI don't really see a problem here with having QAT leaders themselves but I voiced these concerns before and I'm still holding on to them: I think that if we have BNs vote, it will end up as a popularity contest and that will result most likely in a non-functioning leadership.
Should this proposal pass in full, the leadership and direction of the QAT will no longer be determined by a nebulous group of people officiated by the "staff".
The leader(s) will be determined by an expression of interest, followed by a combined vote from both the QAT and the Beatmap Nominators. The top scoring aspirants will be considered the de-facto QAT leadership, though they may number no greater than two.
Before clarifying this further, you must all understand that the BN/QAT system is a system in flux. It has been a standalone 'workaround' to the non-availability of an automated system that is supposed to fully regulate BN appointment automatically, with the QAT designed to fill a literal quality assurance role in that regard. It will change significantly from what it currently is at some point in the near future. When that time is exactly, none of us can say.
The scope of the QAT's leadership will be largely limited to day-to-day affairs and ensuring the smooth addition to and running of the Beatmap Nominators. QAT leadership will be expected to engage with both the Beatmap Nominators and the QAT as a whole, and generally be active and engaged members of the community of their own right.
The QAT leadership will work closely with a member of the osu! team to help them get things going and to provide consul for any systemic changes they may wish to make.
For the time being, that member will be me (Ephemeral). Understand however, that I will not be assuming direct leadership of the QAT under any circumstances bar an absolute necessity. My time has long since passed, and it is well past time for the newer members of the community to begin having their say in the game's future direction.
So yeah, I'm against this point for now, not because of the idea of a leadership but because of the way these leaders are elected.
tl;dr I'm fine with most of the points mentioned in the proposal except for two things:
1) I disagree with instantly promoting all current T1 BNs to "full members" as I think it should be case by case who goes there and who should prove himself again in the probation period.
2) The way QAT leaders would be elected according to the draft makes me fear that it ends up being a populatity contest and thus end up in a disfunctional leadership.