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Lite Show Magic - TRICKL4SH 220

posted 2017-05-22T12:39:53+00:00

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Gloria Guard

Joined May 2011

Gloria Guard 2017-06-25T20:13:28+00:00

Kenterz wrote:
G.G's 4DV4NCED
00:29:651 (1) - It'd be better to have a red anchor for every note in the song (and it'd be funny while playing to analyze this) I just intended to passed this part rhythms. I don't need red anchor this slider.
00:32:924 (1,2) - You only use one reverse in the map, so having 2 reverses for these sliders could be a problem for the player. I suggest to use 01:18:742 (1,2,3,4) - this pattern, then it would be consistent and it would emphasize a little more these louds notes. Changed
00:41:651 (1) - This weirdly-shaped slider isn't consistent in this part, since there's only regular-shaped sliders. You could use a curvy shape to make a symmetrycal rhythm with 00:43:287 (3) - . Well, It can be fully functional.
01:00:197 (1,2) - The circle doesn't really follow the slider's movement, so it breaks the flow :/ Why you thinking this straight slider is flow break?
01:09:469 (3) - Same for this weridly-shaped slider. If you really want to have some in the map, you should make them consistent, because here it feels kind of random it's fine.
01:23:106 (1) - Same as above (and same for 01:47:106 (1,2) -) ^ same
01:20:924 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This part looks a little too intense, because it's not the kiai time already (even if it's kind of a fake kiai). You could for exemple delete 01:21:333 (2,4) -. I don't think this suggestion. If it's the same kiai rhythm, It is right to make the same rhythm. If the rhythm is cut off in the middle, it can confuse the player.

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Title:TRICKL4SH 220
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Thanks for mod !

Regou

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Regou 2017-06-26T04:15:28+00:00

wow, huge mod, let's check this out

Kenterz wrote:
Hello, NM as requested !

GENER4L
There are some tags a source conflict between your diffs and GDs, so beware most properly it's because gders didn't update their diff before they fix anything lol done

There's also issues in the difficulties names, sometimes A aren't a 4, same for E and 3. Personally, I think you should just keep 4 instead of A, since we can't know with the title if E or O can be replaced by 3 or 0 I tried to replace all the corresponding words with 3,4, and 0 and i eventually found it unreadable lol I now changed it to A for 4 only.

E4SY
00:04:151 (3) - Having an object starting on a red tick looks annoying for me because new players won't be able to analyze where they should click it. You can for exemple make sliders finish on red tick instead (even if there'll be an issue for emphasize)... In fact I'd suggest to keep it, but it's better to share how I feel about it. blame the song, the beat is exactly on red tick so I'd better make the things clickable here.
00:04:151 (3) - (again) The note on the head is emphasized, but it's not the case for the note on the tail (whereas the sound is even more louder), so I suggest to emphasize it by using 2 circles instead of one slider. it's not really possible because starting a note at red tick is already pretty difficult for beginners. Putting 2 circles with 3/2 spcaing would be barely playable by newbies.
00:08:924 (1,1,1,1) - These long sliders ignore the loud sound in the middle, there should be a slider tail or a clickable object in my opinion.
3/2 isn't really in my favor as I think making similar rhythm appears too much in an easy diff would be pretty hard for newbie even it's a repeat slider.
00:31:833 (3) - Since this part is the exact same sound pattern as 00:23:106 (3,4) - or 00:18:742 (3,4) - , you should (even must) also use a 2/1 slider and a circle to keep consistency through the map. I purposely try not to make it consistent with the previous part so as to make a special end at the end of the section.
00:35:106 - wouldn't it be better with a break here ? (it may be okay since it doesn't last one full sound pattern, since the middle is here 00:39:469 - ) alright
00:42:742 (2,3) - No objects between them ? It breaks a bit the consistency since there is 3 sliders before (and it's not like there weren't any sound) same as above, this is the end of a section so I want to make something different here so as to highlight this as an change point
00:45:197 - This sound breaks the long part without any sound, so I still thinks it should be emphasized (maybe by a slider tail ?) even though 00:45:469 (1) - emphasize louder notes. same as above.
00:49:287 (2) - and 00:58:015 (2) - don't have the same shape, it'd be better to make them consistent since it's the same sound pattern. (I'd suggest a shape with a red anchor for the second slider, like 01:28:560 (2) - ) making the slider shape consistent as well doesn't sound pretty necessary to me .-.
01:01:287 - Shouldn't the kiai end here, like for 00:52:560 - ? (you can change the other one, but it should be consistent) nope, current setting I changed the previous one instead.
01:14:378 (1,2) - It's quite sad to ignore so much notes in my opinion, even for an easy since you don't do it a lot as you can hear that rhythm is extremely complicated which is a compilation of scattered 1/4 notes, that's not really possible to follow it
01:36:197 (5) - Same problem, even worse since it's an intense part this actually fits pretty well imo as the piano ends here.
01:40:560 (5,1,2) - This isn't consistent with other patterns of this kind (like 01:01:287 (1,2) - ). I suggest to use this pattern, and then having a slider from 01:41:924 - to 01:42:469 - which follows the scream. the sound of these two places are obviously different lol not going to make them consistent.
01:42:742 (1,1,1,1) - Same problem as in the beginning about ignoring the middle notes. ^
01:46:151 (2,3,1) - There's a little distance snap issue here, it's nearly overlapping. ok fixed!

H4RD
00:01:697 (2,3) - You emphasize the note on (3)'s head with this jump but it's not something you did just before, and at 00:02:651 (2,3) - you choose to emphasize another different note. You should try to be more consistent for spacing, in order to emphasize the right notes. It's also the case for 00:05:924 (2,4) - the reason is pretty obvious here, that is they sound different.
00:04:560 (1,2) - The player could believe this is a 1/2 spacing because of the low AR, even if it gives a better emphasize for (1), so you may fix it or not, it's mostly a warning than a suggestion I changed the spacing of the following 1/2 notes so as to make this less confusing.
00:10:560 (3,1) - You tried to emphasize (1) here, which could be a good idea but it's not done anywhere else in the part, so you should remove this emphasize or emphasize every other notes like this, for consistency. I put one at 00:14:924 (3,1) - as well because it's doesn't make pretty much sense to leave inconsistency here XD
00:14:106 (3,1) - This jumps look a bit huge, since I don't think there's a reason to emphasize 00:14:378 -. I suggest to stack 00:14:378 (1) -'s tail with 00:14:924 (1) -'s head (and maybe change a bit 00:14:651 (2) -) I don't really want to overlap that, yet I reduced the spacing here.
00:17:651 (1,2,3) - The flow is quite horrible in this pattern, but it's maybe not a problem if you make a gimmick out of this. I see you also did it for 00:22:015 (1,2,3) - so you should also do this for 00:30:742 (1,2,3) - (which should be fixed rhythmically anyway because of consistency) yup you got it lol i didn't did that at 00:30:742 (1,2,3) - because I think the previous rhythm is pretty dense already and I don't really want to make it too intense
00:20:242 (2,3) - This jump looks too huge in my opinion, since you wouldn't really emphasize (3) because it's not a loud sound. 00:19:287 (3,4) - for exemple is not really a problem, since the jump is not that much huge and because there's a good flow, whereas 00:20:242 (2,3) - completely breaks the flow. they are pretty similar and should both work fine imo, no circular flow doesn't mean no flow :/ there's flow called drop-off flow.
00:21:333 (3,1) - Instead of emphasizing (1) with the jump, I'd suggest to emphasize 00:21:742 (3) - (and you can make the triangle pattern with 00:21:333 (3,1,2) - instead). A sudden stop at (3) already emphasize itself pretty well, not going to change it.
00:22:833 (3,1) - This jump is a bit too extreme, nearly 4 of distance snap, whereas the max for the previous pattern was 00:18:469 (3,1) - which is 3,2 (and it would be less since there's a slider so the player could keep the cursor on the head without going at the tail). sorry for not mapping with distance snap xP I tried to slightly reduce the spacing here.
00:35:106 - As for the easy, you could consider adding a break here, it's a bit weird without one though. k
00:41:651 (1,2,3) - Why not having slider here, like for 00:39:469 (1,2) - ? It looks really empty alright
00:50:378 (1,2) - You didn't have a jump here for 00:46:015 (1,2) -, so you should fix one of those, is the not on (2)'s head worst to be emphasized ?
I put one on 00:46:015 (1,2) - instead.
00:52:560 (1,2) - Emphasizing by stacking is a bit odd, though it could be an efficient pattern if there were more through the diff, which isn't the case, so you should fix. (same for 01:31:833 (1,2) - and 01:40:560 (1,2) -) this actually happens multiple times in the map and you've already quote some examples, so no.
00:54:742 (1,2) - It's the same sound pattern as above, but this time you don't emphasize 00:55:560 - (which was a good idea since it's a higher pitch and a bit louder sound), but you choose to emphasize 00:55:151 - which doesn't need to be emphasized at all, so you should remap the pattern to something similar to 00:46:015 (1,2,3) - speaking of spacing wise. yup, done.
00:55:560 (3,1) - (1) wasn't emphasized before (and it doesn't need to in my opinion), so you should keep it consistent k
01:03:469 - 01:07:833 - I think these breaks should be consistent through the mapset, or else it'd be weird.
01:16:560 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - You fully changed the pattern here, though it doesn't seems that the song changed a lot :/ the precussion is getting intense, that the volume increased (noticeably), so I switched my emphasis here.
01:23:787 - This note should be the start of an object in my opinion, it's quite important in the song (and you should change a bit the pattern since 01:23:515 (2,1) - could be a little odd for players) current one works well imo as this place is exactly where the extended sound ended.
01:24:197 (2) - A slider would fit more here since the scream last quite a long time, and it'd be consistent with Normal and Advanced diff won't hurt to leave it blank, if you are talking about consistency this is consistent with my easy. (and similar to TERROR, tho a spinner doesn't exist as it's not possible to put a short spinner in lower diff.)
01:30:060 (2,3) - Same as above, it'd be better to have a jump here like other patterns (and don't forget not to have a jump for 01:30:469 (3,1) -) k
01:34:832 (4,1) - Having a jump here is a bit questionnable since the sound doesn't really change compared to before. (same for 01:39:197 (4,1) -) alright
01:35:515 - You have a triplet here, with loud sounds, so it'd be better to change the rhythm, like this for exemple : http://puu.sh/wsSQY.jpg (and also you did it 01:39:469 (1,2,3) -) no, this diff is meant to be with no 1/4 notes to prevent making it too difficult.
01:36:742 (2,1) - This jump is really to extreme and must be fixed, since (1) doesn't really need a huge emphasizing. there's a need to put one imo as you can hear the percussion is extremely intense there.

T3RR0R
So basicly you should be careful about spacing in your diff, for exemple 00:00:469 - and 00:00:606 - are quite the same intensity, while 00:00:469 (3,1) - emphasize more (1) than (3) is emphasized by 00:00:333 (2,3) -. The same applies through the whole map, for exemple with 00:01:287 (1,2,3) -. absolutely no, this diff put extremely high emphasis on how it actually plays rather than how it should work theoretically.
00:00:878 (4,1) - This one for exemple isn't odd since you emphasize the big white tick which is okay
00:04:560 (1) - Could be emphasized with spacing, since 00:03:878 (3,1) - is really emphasized doesn't sound pretty logical to make the spacing in-between a stream different.
00:06:674 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Cool pattern but you have a jump which emphasize the notes on red ticks which aren't loud, whereas notes on white ticks are. that would be a matter of how you interpret "emphasis", imo the note on the white tick is well emphasized since there's great movement followed by.
00:07:560 (2,3) - This one shouldn't be emphasized. This is something quite dangerous while making patterns, you should be aware that is should reflect the song, since visuals matters but aren't more important than spacing and emphasizing. they should be emphasized as heavy percussion still exists here until 00:07:697 - .
00:13:015 - I think this note should be mapped, perhaps 2 1/2 sliders ? not really, here's where the extended sound ends.
00:17:651 (1) - I understand that this pattern follows the voice, but it's the same sound pattern than 00:18:742 (1,2,3,4,5) - which doesn't follow the voice, so you should keep consistency and follow the voice, or follow the stream outside the vocals I originally put them all into streams but it's absolutely too difficult even for top players so I make a compromise between making it absolutely following the sound and making it playable. and looking into this pattern, it stills follow the vocals which should still make sense to some extent.
00:19:151 (6,1) - This jump is too huge since (1) isn't really a loud sound, whereas 00:19:697 (4,1) - could have a huge spacing to emphasize the voice's high pitch. try not to read it with distance snap, this actually works pretty similar to a 1/2 jump. I did that because I want to maintain good flow here.
00:20:242 (5,1) - Same as above, it feels random to have suddenly a huge jump for a quite low sound ^
00:21:333 (5,1,2) - You can feel that even more with this pattern, the jump is extreme and the voice is so low, You could move (1) at x:269 y:238 for exemple. not a big fan of this, if you suddenly reduce the spacing here it will plays very, very bad.
00:21:742 (3,1) - This part is an extremely low jump with a 1/1 spacing, so it feels empty I purposely leave this blank because I want to put more emphasis on the "Bass" sound of the vocal at (3)
00:26:924 (1,2,1,2,1) - Random as well, it looks like this is a hard jump just for the fact that it is hard since it's an ultra, so it's not justified no, if you reduce the spacing here you'll find it pretty awkward to play the speed-up slider afterwards.
00:27:878 (3,1) - This jump could be odd but it can represent the sudden difference of the song, so it's okay
00:31:833 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2) - There is a difference between this structure and the one at 00:23:106 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) -, though they should be the same since the song is the same I did that to highlight this as a end of section. small jumps here also makes people get ready for the huge jumps afterwards.
00:32:924 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - The song isn't that much loud as the spacing is huge for this part, so this is really odd... not really, the percussion is meant to be highlight this well imo.
00:39:742 - I suggest to map this note (it's quite important and you did it for 00:40:833 (1) -) and to stack it, then you'll only move the cursor when the melody continues (if you want to do this, you have to do it for 00:40:560 (3,1,2,3,1) - too) there's no sound here. putting a ghost note doesn't make lots of sense to me.
00:41:651 (1) - I really really don't understand how this can be in a 7* diff while it's not only one long sound, but there's note that could be mapped here
blame the star rating instead. I purposely reduce note density here to make a contrast with kiai
00:43:901 (1) - Could be ended at 00:45:197 - since there's a note here. that place isn't intense enough when the spinner end like this.
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Okay so this part will concern every structures through kiai times : (so one suggestion should also be fixed on other structures of the 1st and 2nd kiai)
00:46:015 (1) - I believe this slider should end on 00:46:151 -, since there isn't any sound on the blue tick previous post already discussed that two 1/2 sliders wouldn't work here.
00:46:969 (2) - I suggest to CTRL+G this slider since breaking the flow here doesn't really fit the song, while having a flow does fit in my opinion ctrl+G in contrast will break the flow here, which is between 00:46:969 (2) - and 00:47:106 (1) - .
00:50:242 - Could add a note here imo, feels empty else would be good to keep it blank as it maintains emphasis on 00:49:969 (1,2,3) - .
00:53:924 (1,2,1) - The jumps are too extreme, whereas the sounds aren't loud current pattern flow better imo
01:02:174 (1) - This must not be mapped since there isn't any note in the song there alright
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01:13:833 (1,2,3,4) - A bit too hard, since this is quite a slow part, you could bring (2,4) closer to (1,3) ugh well, this is the build-up part but not the slow part according to the beat in the song, just saying lol yet, to make it plays better I still reduced the spacing here.
01:14:242 (4,1,2) - In fact, these 3 notes should have the same distance snap, since they have the same intensity. that would make the pattern plays very bad especially when you put a kick-slider jump previously.
01:15:469 (1,2) - I think the pattern doesn't really fit the important sounds of the song, so you should change the rhythm, like this for instance : http://puu.sh/wtXKX.jpg I don't really see a need to emphasize that 3/4 sound and in contrast current pattern follows the buzzing well. I think it's better to keep it.
01:19:219 (1) - This note doesn't represent any sound so should be removed. Though, I think 01:18:947 (1) - should be too, since it'd break the pattern of having only 1/2 sliders (even if there's a note, the note isn't really important) the SV of the first 2 sliders can't sufficiently provide a feeling of "intense" since it's still very slow, therefore I add a note here. Meanwhile it also comply with the buzzing sound in the music which lands on blue tick.
01:23:787 - Should be mapped since it's a loud sound. You could use a 3/4 slider and a circle maybe, then you'll have a similar pattern but fixed current one works better imo as it exactly shows where the extended piano sound holds for.
01:25:287 (1,1) - These 2 should also be fixed, but you probably already considered it with the kiai time part of my mod i just forgot to fix it in the previous mod, so yeah, changed it to 3/4 sliders+ 1/2 sliders as well
01:36:742 (1) - I think this should be the same as 01:36:197 (1,2,3) -, it's quite sad to have different patterns and different emphasizing it would plays very bad since the note intensity is too high if I put it like that, therefore I make some twists on this slider as a compromise.
01:40:287 (1) - I think you should slightly change it, so the player won't combo break because they thought it was a 1/4 slider it seems that it's even easier to combobreak when changing it to a 1/2 slider lol, I'd better keep it.
01:41:787 - Should be mapped since it's a quite loud sound similar to above

Many rhythm and spacing issues, some structures issues, but the map is quite perfect speaking of visuals. I won't really call them issues, as when you try to make a pattern plays well there's must be something that doesn't comply with the so-called mapping theory.
I think the breaks should be consistent through the mapset, so you would define where they should be and tell the GDs mappers. I won't really mind how they put their breaks in the map since everyone have different interpretation to a song, but I'd see how it goes.

Good luck !!
(7 hours of modding) I truly appreciate your hard effort into this huge mapset I believe it would make us review lots of things here. :3

Thanks for your mods!

Last edited by Regou 2017-06-28T18:04:14+00:00, edited 8 times in total.

lcfc

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lcfc 2017-06-26T05:20:00+00:00

Kenterz wrote:
LCFC's INS4NE
00:06:742 (1,1,1) - I'd suggest using a higher distance snap to emphasize them a bit more Especially for an insane I think it's fine as it is
00:08:924 (1) - It's a bit sad to have these 3 loud notes not being all clickable, I'd suggest to use 3 1/1 sliders instead (same for other patterns with these loud notes and for the part with 01:42:742 (1) -) I preffered undermapping these sections to execute the "calm before the storm" (or after it too, if we count the latter one), I think having them all clickable would just make the insane have too much density that it should've, something that I definitely do not aim for. My insane technically is the easy one of the mapset, so its density will be less than the respectively harder one (toybot's)
00:21:469 (1,1) - Could be emphasize a bit more by the jump (since 00:21:742 - is a really different sound), so maybe stack 00:21:469 (1) - in 00:20:924 (1) -'s head ? not a fan of your suggestion but I moved 00:21:742 (1) - further and stacked 00:22:015 (1) - appropriately to its slider end
00:23:651 (3,4) - I'd suggest to CTRL+G these notes, so it would give you a pattern like you made with 00:22:560 (3,4,5) - for exemple, which emphasize well (5) They are not the same movement-wise. 00:22:287 (2,3,4) - has a zigzag angle but if I were to modify 00:23:378 (2,3,4) - it would be a wide angle, and would be really uncomfortable to play, I think I will keep this as is.
00:24:401 (1,1) - This exact note isn't emphasize by the jump before, so it's a bit weird to have it here. You mean lowering the distance? if yes, done!
00:25:287 (1) - I suggest to only keep the second red anchor, and have a simple anchor instead of the first one, since the sound of the voice doesn't change at 00:25:560 - but does change at 00:25:833 - so the red anchor could emphasize this. tfw my choice of the shape wasn't even intentional LOL nevertheless the shape you propose is kind of weird, the voice changes pitch yes, but the sound "effect" or whatever it's called is the same so I won't change it.
00:34:833 (1) - This one could be a different shape as the voice isn't the same than 00:34:015 (1,2) -. yep was suggested before, changed
00:39:469 (1) - Having this pattern makes 00:39:742 - and 00:40:015 - not clickable, which is kinda odd (it could be a good alternative to have 3 circles). Also same for the whole part Similar to 00:08:924 (1) - I preffered having a lower density for similar reasons.
00:46:015 - Kiai time maybe ? lol I forgot to copy the kiai times from Regou's diff whoops
00:46:151 - I think this kind of note should be at least a slider's end, there's clearly a note and it's quite bad to ignore it Maybe I'm deaf but I seriously do not hear a note, I'd rather go safe and follow the hold sound
00:46:287 (2,3) - The jump isn't really justified here, since (3) isn't really a loud sound, while 00:46:833 (6,1) - are for exemple actually their distance is respectively similar, I lowered the distance of 00:46:833 (6,1) - instead
00:47:378 (2) - This note should be emphasized instead of 00:47:515 (3) - (and these 2 suggestions should be fixed for the rest of the part, since it's consistent. And also the part from 01:25:015 - to 01:34:015 - !) 00:47:515 - there is a sound here as well though so I wanted to follow both sounds
00:49:287 (1,2) - I suggest to use 00:48:197 (1,2,1) - this rhythm pattern instead, so you'll keep consistency since this is the same sound (same for 00:58:015 (1,2) -, 01:28:560 (1,2) -) I'm not basing my usage of sliders to the sounds in this one, instead the sections, I've consistently used straight sliders for the first half of the section, and curved sliders for the other half. tbh I believe it's fine as it is and it's used consistently and doesn't affect anything
01:02:242 (1,1,1) - You should use the same pattern than 00:53:515 (1,2,3) - since the song pattern is the same. on the latter, there is a sound on 00:53:924 - while on the former there isn't one on 01:02:651 - so that's why I followed them differently
01:11:651 (2,3) - This should be only one slider in my opinion, since the second part of the word "boy" isn't really a note (you could emphasize it with a slider shape, like a red anchor, but not with a cilckable object) yep, changed
01:20:651 (1,1) - Could be emphasized by a jump 00:45:742 (1,1) - 00:54:469 (1,1) - etc. all are an overlap and as 01:20:651 (1,1) - basically is the same sound, just of less intensity I had it the same. Actually, as it is of less intensity it shouldn't be emphasized more lol
01:23:106 - Why do you map this part if you didn't map 01:20:924 - ? I know the second part have loud beats that must be mapped, but then it's not really consistent since it's the same melody for both parts. You said it yourself. The second part has loud beats that should be mapped. The first is of less intensity, so I aimed for it to be the calm before the storm (ok I might've said this too much xd)
01:34:015 (1,2) - With this jump, (2) is emphasized, but 01:34:151 (2,3) - makes (3) not emphasized while it's the same sound than (2), so you should for exemple have a triangle pattern, or a similar pattern to 01:38:378 (2,3,4,1,2,3) -) is 3 stronger then? why do you recommend 01:38:378 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - if it does the same thing but vice versa lol. I didn't have a reasoning based on sound on my spacing changes, I added variety to not spam needless triangles and execute something prettier and makes the same sounds more fun to play
01:49:697 (2) - You should make the 3 notes of the slider clickable to emphasize them, for exemple with 2 1/2 slider and a circle (or a 1/4 slider) fair enough, changed!

Thanks a lot for your mod!

lcfc

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[ Drop ] 2017-06-26T06:12:23+00:00

F1r3tar wrote:
[Extra]
DROP'S EXTR4 fits better with the spread's naming.
01:35:855 (4) - It's not equally important as (1,2,3,5) since it's passive. Ignore this tick to indicate that.fixed

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[ Drop ] 2017-06-26T09:28:25+00:00

Flake wrote:
hi m4m

Drop's Extra

00:03:742 (1,2,3,4,5) - not that necessary but maybe keep this one a bit calmer, the actual time that you should do this is somewhere 00:03:878 - but if you plan on overmapping this for simplicity then it's okay

00:10:833 (3,4) - is given equal strength to 00:10:560 (1,2) - . There's a powerful sound on 00:10:560 (1) -. I recommend something like similar to this:

SPOILER

00:14:924 (1,2,3,4) - more powerful than 00:14:378 (1,2) - , give more emphasis

all fixed

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[ Drop ] 2017-06-26T09:37:03+00:00

SakuraKaminari wrote:
From my Q!

Easy
00:06:742 (1,2) - these arent quite a line. move 2 up one and right one
00:32:924 (4,1) - start 1 on 4, all those beats are equal so it doesnt make sense to emphasize just the first one.
00:40:833 (2) - wouldn't put a slider foot this far off the screen on easy
01:28:560 (2) - ^

NeoSL's Normal
00:17:651 (1,2) - make these anti parallel or same angle just looks strange imo
01:08:924 (3,4) - i dont like how this looks. wouldn't overlap here

G.G's Advanced
Literally couldn't find a single thing wrong

Hard
00:21:469 (1,2,3) - would flip 2 and 3 for better flow. this isn't challenging flow imo, just seems kinda bad but up to you

LowComboFC's Insane
Perfect. This is ready for rank as is.

Toybot's Insane
00:07:015 (2,5) - i dont like how this weird almost-stack but not quite looks. personal preference.
00:08:242 (4,1) - ^
00:47:106 (2,3) - seems a tad large of a jump to me
00:51:197 (1,2,3) - ^

Drop's Extra
01:18:742 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - this is a big diff spike. not sure i'd nerf but would def keep in mind
01:28:969 (4,5) - 5 isn't a strong beat in the song so there's no reason for it to have the spacial emphasis of a larger jump imo

Terror
00:32:515 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - the (admittedly reasonable) diff spike right before this super long slider will likely make HR next to unplayable on this map. just sayin'
though i guess the silder tick rate is high.

overall, very well done mapset basically ready for rank. nice job, and good luck.

all fixed

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[ Drop ] 2017-06-26T14:33:06+00:00

Kenterz wrote:
Drop's EXTR4
00:03:742 (1,2) - These notes shouldn't be 1/8 sliders since there isn't any 1/8 in the sound at this moment. I suggest having a circle or a 1/4 slider at 00:03:742 - since this is the only note. fixed
00:04:015 (9,1) - This jump feels extreme for a gap of 1/4 beat. I think a jump like 00:04:151 (1,1) - is enough to emphasize, so you should change your pattern.i think its okay since it was extra diff :p
00:05:106 (4,5) - The important notes are on their tails, so you should make a pattern like this http://puu.sh/wtS5j.jpg. Same issue for 00:05:787 (3,6) - i'll keep it for now unless someone told me to fix that too xdd
00:07:833 (1,2,3,4) - The distance snap seems to much low imo, I had trouble while playing since I thought this was 1/4 spacing. I suggest using something like 0.7 of distance snap.fixed
00:10:560 (1,2,3,4) - You should bring them closer, there's no reason to have such a hard pattern since you don't really need to emphasize these notes already fixed on other mod
00:18:197 (4,5,6) - In order to follow the (quite intense) voice, you should have 2 circles and then the slider. (same applies for 00:22:560 (4,5,6) -)
fixed
00:19:492 - This note should be mapped, as it is as much intense as 00:17:856 - its plays better
00:19:833 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Since the voice is quite intense there too, it's quite sad to ignore them and having a completely different pattern, which is also not consistent with other diffs (same goes for 00:24:197 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -)fixed
00:21:469 (3,4) - Since the voice is quite different for these 2 notes, I suggest to unstack them and having a short distance between them, like 0.35 or something (maybe move (4) upper so it would emphasize 00:21:742 (1) - even more)
00:28:833 (3) - Since the voice is quite weird here, I suggest to use a 1/4 slider insteadhmmm. i'll keep it :p
00:29:651 - Choosing a higher SV here while 00:27:469 - has a low SV is not really consistent. Even though the voice changes, it's doesn't justify a huge difference. changed 00:27:469 instead of 00:29:651
00:30:606 - It's more important than 00:30:469 - (the voice is loud) so it should be mapped (having a higher or equal emphasizing)fixed
00:34:287 (2,1) - Emphasizing (1) via this jump isn't worst I think, since it's not that much a loud sound, whereas 00:34:696 (2,1) - is a good jump since 00:34:833 - is a loud note.
00:42:197 - Ignoring this note is weird since you didn't for 00:39:469 (1,1) -. I suggest a 1/1 slider, then a circle on the red tick, and another 1/1 slider (same for 00:42:742 (1,2) - ofc).
00:45:060 - I think the tail should be silenced here, since it's not really a note but the end of a long sound (which can be represented by the end of the sliderslider sound) ok
Nothing to say for the kiai time's structure, only 00:46:969 - which could be mapped since it's a higher pitch sound than 00:46:833 i'll keep it
01:02:924 (1) - I think the tail should be silenced here, since ink it should have the same SV than 00:54:197 (1) - to keep it consistent (or it could be the first slider that have the same SV than the second one) sure
01:06:197 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I don't really understand this pattern. It's like if it was emphasizing the 4 first notes, and then representing how low the 4 second notes are, which isn't the case in the sound, so it feels really random. Also the distance snap for 01:06:742 (1,2,3,4) - looks too low as I said above already, 0.7 seems correct. (same applies for 01:10:560 (1,2,3,4) -)fixed
01:12:197 - This break is mapped in quite every other difficulty, so you should map it too to keep consistency in the mapset. You should see with the main mapper to agree on which breaks should be mapped or not.mapped
01:20:106 (2,1) - The jump isn't needed here (since (1) isn't so loud)okay
01:20:378 - You've got a sound from the melody here which is quite important, so it should be emphasized, or at leats mapped in my opinion.
01:23:378 (2,3) - You should CTRL+G these notes, then it will perfectly fit for the rhythmit seems kinda weird for me xd
01:24:197 (1) - Really great slider ty
01:34:015 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Compared to the rest of the map, these jumps looks really low for how much the sounds are loud, so I'd suggest having a harder pattern (same for 01:38:378 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -)i'll keep it,since if i increased the spacing the star rating will become much more higher
01:35:583 - This note should be mapped (loud and important), while 01:35:719 (2,4) - shouldn't since they aren't in the song, or at least slider tails. (same for this pattern 01:39:878 (4,1,2,3,4,5) -)fixed
01:37:287 (1,2,3) - The jumps here emphasize the notes, but I don't see why there's still a jump for 01:37:833 (3,4) - since (4) is a calm sound
01:47:924 (1,1) - I just love how it feels, it perfectly represents the song

regou update please ;w;

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- Juno -

35 posts

Joined May 2015

- Juno - 2017-08-02T00:18:05+00:00

Ha you actually made your own mapset

Zekks

395 posts

Joined March 2016

Zekks 2017-08-02T09:11:59+00:00

10/10 MAP

Hikomori

840 posts

Joined November 2015

Hikomori 2017-08-17T17:33:00+00:00

#last

Frey

1,205 posts

Joined February 2011

Frey 2017-08-20T21:22:20+00:00

Random pick mod

E4sy

00:16:697 (2) - 可以稍微调整下前后间距
00:21:742 (4) - 应该是不能叠东西在滑条尾巴的。我不知道现在RC改没改，但是在上次修改完的内容里，Easy和Normal依然不能在滑条尾巴里有stack...
00:40:833 (2) - 可以稍微调整下前后间距
00:53:242 (2) - 可以稍微调整下前后间距
01:14:378 (1) - 同上，建议基于低难度的关系不建议你叠滑条尾
01:28:560 (2) - 以前经常和别人谈的，低难度里面尽量不要有鱼钩滑条（overlap itself）,这不是Insane或者Extra，尽可能把滑条的线路改的更清晰一点吧，毕竟这些是影响rank的违规内容来着
01:49:287 (1) - 这个也不行啊，滑条尾巴和滑条中段有重叠... 尽量像00:54:742 (1) - 一样吧，后者是完全safe的

NeoSL's NORM4L
01:10:287 (2) - this slider is not safe, because based on RC in low levels such as Easy or Normal, a slider's head or tail can not touch the slide itself (overlap itself). which means you have to make the track of the slider more clear to distinguish by new players.
01:13:015 - seems that you missed beat, cuz you mapped a smiliar 01:14:106 (3) -
01:22:015 (2,2) - change the slider a bit so we can avoid the overlap?
01:24:197 (1) - yeah, it's not safe as above, better to change it like this
fixed version

H4rd
01:22:015 (1) - not safe...我真的觉得这个滑条的轨迹似乎不适合在Hard里面出现...能不能让左边绕圈的那部分在拉大一点，能稍微让圈大一点，能看见一点滑条自身的边界就行...
01:32:787 (1) - 这个比上一个好预测一点，但是原则还是尽量把绕圈的部分弄得更像一个圈，而不是像是原路线走一个来回。

LCFC's INS4NE
only one question, 00:19:833 (1,1,1) - 00:20:924 (1,1,1) - 00:24:197 (1,1,1) - 00:27:469 (1,1,1) - 01:14:378 (1,1,1) - I suggest you use only one combo color instead of new combo abuse. it's so tricky that ppl might regard them as if they have individual slider velocity.

Drop's EXTR4
01:22:560 (1) - ...just convert it to stream directly, trust me you missed some awesome beats.

Good luck

Regou

1,916 posts

Joined July 2010

Topic Starter

Regou 2017-08-21T05:53:22+00:00

Frey wrote:
Random pick mod

E4sy
00:16:697 (2) - 可以稍微调整下前后间距 ok
00:21:742 (4) - 应该是不能叠东西在滑条尾巴的。我不知道现在RC改没改，但是在上次修改完的内容里，Easy和Normal依然不能在滑条尾巴里有stack... ok
00:40:833 (2) - 可以稍微调整下前后间距 ok
00:53:242 (2) - 可以稍微调整下前后间距 ok
01:14:378 (1) - 同上，建议基于低难度的关系不建议你叠滑条尾 ok
01:28:560 (2) - 以前经常和别人谈的，低难度里面尽量不要有鱼钩滑条（overlap itself）,这不是Insane或者Extra，尽可能把滑条的线路改的更清晰一点吧，毕竟这些是影响rank的违规内容来着好....
01:49:287 (1) - 这个也不行啊，滑条尾巴和滑条中段有重叠... 尽量像00:54:742 (1) - 一样吧，后者是完全safe的 ok
說實話我做easy也是不太在行,只能盡量做得好看點了,這個摸很實用....

H4rd
01:22:015 (1) - not safe...我真的觉得这个滑条的轨迹似乎不适合在Hard里面出现...能不能让左边绕圈的那部分在拉大一点，能稍微让圈大一点，能看见一点滑条自身的边界就行... ok
01:32:787 (1) - 这个比上一个好预测一点，但是原则还是尽量把绕圈的部分弄得更像一个圈，而不是像是原路线走一个来回。 ok

Good luck

謝摸;w;;

sahuang

2,293 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-08-21T06:11:27+00:00

NB map by regou

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-08-21T06:18:59+00:00

Frey wrote:
LCFC's INS4NE
only one question, 00:19:833 (1,1,1) - 00:20:924 (1,1,1) - 00:24:197 (1,1,1) - 00:27:469 (1,1,1) - 01:14:378 (1,1,1) - I suggest you use only one combo color instead of new combo abuse. it's so tricky that ppl might regard them as if they have individual slider velocity. I understand your concern about the NC spam but if you notice carefully I only used them for objects that have 1/4 space in the timeline instead of 1/2. I spammed NCs to them to distinguish their rhythms. The first ones might not be that of an issue, as they overlap, but if we take 00:27:469 (1,1,1) - for example the player could read them as the other sliders that have 1/2 space in the timeline. tl;dr the NC spam is only there to warn the player that the rhythm changes.

I will also add up that the player shouldn't expect an SV change there due to the nature of the diff and its AR. In this level (and, thanks to the AR), they will be able to indentify that the sliders have the same shape / length fast enough.

Thank you!

ts8zs

2,123 posts

Joined May 2011

ts8zs 2017-08-21T07:28:43+00:00

From friend list
offset 185
卧槽这么多摸offset还是错的？

[Terror]
话说这么大个SDVX你用得到在cw提醒？
00:54:197 - 低级错误 check aimod
00:33:605 (2,2) - 想不到换方向的理由
[Drop]
00:07:833 (1) - add a reverse and move 00:08:106 (2) - to 00:08:242 - ?
01:31:287 (1,2,3,4,5) - in a line is better?
01:35:719 (4) - overmaped?
[toybot]
looks so boring how about AR9.2
00:48:606 (1,2) - make this have a distance to 00:48:333 (2) - and 00:49:015 (1) -
[LCFC]
I think this diff have a little nc spam as insane like 01:01:287 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) -
but I don't care about it.lets have fun!
00:29:787 (1) - NC as 00:27:674 (1) -
[H4RD]
00:05:106 (3,4) - Ins4ne? 看了一下全体难度这个note怕是石乐志
00:56:378 (1,2) - make 1 copy from 2
01:01:697 (2) - NC
01:49:697 (2) - NC
[G.G]
try to fix sliders like 00:00:742 (2) -
00:22:560 (3) -
Nothing to say,1/2 stream is enough.
[NeoSL]
00:55:833 (2,1) - try to blanket 1's end better
01:18:742 (1,2) - looks like you donno know to using copy.
01:27:469 (1) - remove 3rd point http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8898518
[E4SY]
01:01:969 (2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8898522
01:03:469 (1,1) - 对于HRHDDT过于恶意换成滑条也好删掉也好
01:13:287 (3,1) - 这摆的也太随意了
01:16:560 (1) - 曲度包2不够
01:36:197 - 用3/2折返滑条

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-08-21T07:37:59+00:00

NC added from ts8zs's mod and removed some other NCs that didn't have any real purpose. The usage for NCs should be smoother now!

diff

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:TRICKL4SH 220
Artist:Lite Show Magic
ArtistUnicode:Lite Show Magic
Creator:Regou
Version:LCFC's INS4NE
Source:SOUND VOLTEX IV HEAVENLY HAVEN
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Regou

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Regou 2017-08-21T07:58:06+00:00

ts8zs wrote:
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卧槽这么多摸offset还是错的？改過來了

[Terror]
话说这么大个SDVX你用得到在cw提醒？
00:54:197 - 低级错误 check aimod 好,改了
00:33:605 (2,2) - 想不到换方向的理由這樣比較好打啊

[H4RD]
00:05:106 (3,4) - Ins4ne? 看了一下全体难度这个note怕是石乐志這是(簡化的)insane啊,有問題嗎?
00:56:378 (1,2) - make 1 copy from 2 好
01:01:697 (2) - NC 不,我前面對稱的時候都沒有下
01:49:697 (2) - NC 這個也不用

[E4SY]
01:01:969 (2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8898522 好
01:03:469 (1,1) - 对于HRHDDT过于恶意换成滑条也好删掉也好不開mod能玩就好了啊
01:13:287 (3,1) - 这摆的也太随意了稍微改了下
01:16:560 (1) - 曲度包2不够好改了
01:36:197 - 用3/2折返滑条聽著覺得不合適,還是算了

謝摸

To gders: I've updated the timing so please update before you make any changes!! thank you

Affirmation

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Affirmation 2017-08-28T06:12:07+00:00

sakutakaminari

00:17:651 (1,2) - make these anti parallel or same angle just looks strange imowell....I didn't intend parallel?
01:08:924 (3,4) - i dont like how this looks. wouldn't overlap hereDoesn't matter

danielexus

00:34:015 (3) - Fix the curves?No?
00:37:287 (1,2) - The music slowed down but the sliders are still kind of fast for that partdoesn't matter
00:49:833 (3) - You ca bearly see that the line isn't straight. Make it a bit more clearer?I don't like perfectly parallel
01:17:651 (3,1,2) - These are the same sliders but 01:17:651 (3,1) - looks different. maybe copy/paste?well....No/
01:22:015 (2,2) - Not sure about this overlapk
01:41:515 (3,1) - ^this doesn't matter,
01:44:924 (1,2) - This movements is pretty straight for "my" tastewell....I feel good
01:47:106 (1,2) - Maybe a blanket would work here?No

Kenterz

00:19:833 (1,2) - You should blanket them, or you should put (2) somewhere where we wouldn't think about blankets (if you understand)blanket is not major issue and I didn't intend blanket.
01:09:197 (4,1,2) - It breaks a bit the flow, the movements is kind of broken (it's a bit sad since you don't really break the flow a lot)no.
01:10:287 (2,3) - Having two weirdly-shaped sliders near themselves isn't consistent since you don't really have those sliders a lot in the diff. I think you should change 01:10:287 (2) - 's shape, since the song doesn't really justify a weird shape here.No
01:11:106 (3,1) - You should blanket (or move it somewhere else if you don't want to blanket, exemple : http://puu.sh/wsB0u.jpg here no one would think about blankets, so it's better for visuals)No
01:19:833 (3,1) - Having two exact same sliders for different patterns of the song is not recommended.I don't have any idea bout that.
01:22:015 (2,2) - This overlap is a bit ugly, and you can see it while playing so it'd be better to fix.
01:36:197 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern would look really messy for a beginner I think, so you could make 01:37:287 (3,4) - one slider to fix this for exemple.No
01:47:106 (1,2) - Same thing about blankets hereNo

Frey

01:10:287 (2) - this slider is not safe, because based on RC in low levels such as Easy or Normal, a slider's head or tail can not touch the slide itself (overlap itself). which means you have to make the track of the slider more clear to distinguish by new players.I think all players can read this,
01:13:015 - seems that you missed beat, cuz you mapped a smiliar 01:14:106 (3) -I don't want to add beat in here, but will think about that.
01:22:015 (2,2) - change the slider a bit so we can avoid the overlap?
01:24:197 (1) - yeah, it's not safe as above, better to change it like this^

ts8zs

00:55:833 (2,1) - try to blanket 1's end better
01:18:742 (1,2) - looks like you donno know to using copy.whaqt are you saying about
01:27:469 (1) - remove 3rd point http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8898518Is it matter?

Thanks for mod to all!

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Gloria Guard

2,273 posts

Joined May 2011

Gloria Guard 2017-08-28T22:34:03+00:00

try to fix sliders like 00:00:742 (2) -
00:22:560 (3) - it's enough good. i don't think the problem this slider shape.

[ Drop ]

556 posts

Joined February 2013

[ Drop ] 2017-08-29T14:04:50+00:00

Frey wrote:

Drop's EXTR4
01:22:560 (1) - ...just convert it to stream directly, trust me you missed some awesome beats.

okay XD

[ Drop ]

556 posts

Joined February 2013

[ Drop ] 2017-08-29T14:07:37+00:00

ts8zs wrote:
[Drop]
00:07:833 (1) - add a reverse and move 00:08:106 (2) - to 00:08:242 - ?
01:31:287 (1,2,3,4,5) - in a line is better?
01:35:719 (4) - overmaped?

all fixed
thanks!

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Tags:don't waste me! e.p. c85 t+pazolite c-show [ Drop ] toybot LowComboFC Neoskylove Gloria Guard
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Hikomori

840 posts

Joined November 2015

Hikomori 2017-09-10T21:51:42+00:00

why there arent 0's in o's and why terror isnt t3rr0r

Phos-

773 posts

Joined December 2012

Phos- 2017-09-15T20:29:51+00:00

Hey, from my queue!

[E4SY]

00:40:821 (2,1) - I can notice a very slight overlap with the track of (1) and the head of (2). It's very minor, but it wouldn't be too hard to change either.
01:29:639 (1) - This slider is overlapped rather heavily by the default skin's healthbar, which is poor presentation and it could pose as a reading issue for new players, so I would move it down a bit.
01:44:912 (1,2) - Double check the slider trail on these two notes. If you line then up, then you'll notice that they're not entirely parallel. It's minor, but it's easier to notice considering that it's an easy difficulty.
01:49:275 (1) - This slider ignores a series of very strong beats, which doesn't represent the music well. I would try a shape like this. Here, each red anchor is on a strong sound within the music, so I think it would suit the music better.

[NeoSL'S NORM4L]

00:32:912 (1,2) - This part of the song could be expressed with identical cursor movements to go with the repetitiveness of the music here. To do this, I would either have two straight sliders going down in the same direction, or I would curve (2) so that the cursor forms a circle whilst moving. This part of the song is quite prominent and noticeable, so I definitely don't think it should be ignored.
01:13:003 You should add a note here, as it's a bit off-putting to skip a beat in this important song build-up. It's also a bit inconsistent, as a similar sound is emphasised at 01:14:094 (3) - and 01:17:094 (2) - .

[G.G's 4DV4NCED]

00:08:912 (1,2) - I'm not too big on these overlapping blankets, imo they don't look nice and if the player uses transparent/translucent hitcircles then it's really easy to see flaws in the blanket when they are this close together (for me, it looks like this). While it might not be too much of an issue for these using the default skin, I think you should still take this into account and change them. You've only done this three times in the beginning of the map, so it'll also be more consistent pattern wise.
00:54:185 (2) - You should make this a 1/1 non-repeating slider. This is to put more emphasis on the new sound introduced in the music. Also, because the music is different here my suggestion would help the map express this fact by making the sliders different as well. Same suggestion applies for 01:02:912 (2) - .

[H4RD]

00:32:912 (1,1,1,1) - Not a fan of all the NCs here. Having all the sliders facing the same direction and having equal spacing emphasis is fine for this part of the song, you don't need to emphasise it more with NCs because it's inconsistent (this kind of comboing isn't seen anywhere else in the diff) and it'll make the HP slightly more strict than it needs to be.
01:37:275 (1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern will be very hard to read because the order of the notes is different to the pattern introduced at 00:53:775 (1,2,3,4) - , meaning that players will probably botch the order by hitting (4) early. The stack and back-and-forth definitely doesn't help either. An easy fix would be to ctrl+g (3,4), which will ease readability greatly.

[LCFC's INS4NE]

00:08:912 (1) - Why are two incredibly important sounds being skipped here? (00:09:321 - and 00:09:730 -). The rhythm feels incredibly weird if you consider that the repeat and end of this slider land on nothing, whilst the important sounds are being completely skipped. Extend this slider by 1/2 of a beat for a much better rhythm. Same suggestion applies to 00:11:094 (1) - and 00:13:275 (1) - .
00:17:639 (1) - Change these sliders so that they end on a red tick, it'll be nicer to play since the rhythm is much clearer. This applies to every 1/8 slider in this segment of the map. Just extend them to the 1/2.
I'm not even sure that the 1/8 in the beginning of the map is even intentional, seems like a bug with the .osu or something went wrong with an sv change. Because after 00:21:730 (1) - the rhythm gets a lot better.
01:27:594 (2) - Missing clap? It's inconsistent considering that a clap was at 01:28:275 (5) - as well, so I would add one here to be consistent.

[toybot's 4NOTHER]

00:14:639 (2) - I feel like the end of this slider could definitely use some more emphasis. Maybe you could try a simple rhythm like this but position them differently so that the changes in the music are expressed. Or you could do a rhythm like this and express the strong sound using a circle.

[Drop's EXTR4]

00:02:775 (2,3) - Make this stack consistent with the stacks at 00:00:594 (2,3) - and 00:03:457 (5,1) - . It'll throw players off and I don't see a reason why the spacing on this stack should be any different to the ones before and after.
00:41:639 (1,2,3) - You can make this pattern look nicer if you moved (2) to x:477 y:254 and (3) to x:441 y:336. This way there is a noticeable symmetry and the player will easily be able to see the parallel lines formed by (1) and (2). Same suggestion applies to 00:42:730 (1,2,3,4) - .
01:11:503 (4) - I'd make this note a lot louder. While I do understand the effect you were going for (silencing the note to put emphasis on the vocal), this is a decision that I don't agree with because hitsounds serve the purpose of providing the player feedback; without them then the player will struggle to hit the notes accurately. I would at least make the hitsound here louder, i.e. have the note at 30% volume instead of 5%, because this'll still allow you to achieve the effect you were going for without hindering the player's experience.
01:44:912 (1) - I would move the third anchor point to x:342 y:140 so that it blankets 01:45:321 (1) - , making it look nicer. (It'll look something like this)

[4VEN4'S ULTR4]

In the set, GD'er names don't have numbers substituted for letters, so you should probably change this to be more consistent. It'll also be clearer to players who the GD'er is if you change it.
00:28:003 (1,2) - Not a fan of this sliders aesthetic, this kind of pattern is quite out of place as it's the only time you've used a slider-end overlap like this. Perhaps you could move (2) so that it overlaps the head of (1) instead. That way the cursor doesn't have to move out of the slider area when hitting the circle; whilst still maintaining a consistent aesthetic.
00:50:025 - You should map the 1/4 here. The sound is very audible, so you should do this in order to represent the music in the best way. I also think it's good because it'll help the repetition effect by having it end at the correct place dictated by the music, meaning it'll seem less forced. Same applies for 00:58:753 - and 01:29:298 - .
01:10:548 (6,7,8,9) - You should make this pattern flow in a similar way to 01:06:185 (6,7,8,9) - because firstly, the music in these two segments is roughly the same. Secondly, the flow in this pattern isn't good because the two sets of sliders mislead each other, meaning the transition from (7) to (8) will play choppy.

[TERROR]

Shouldn't the difficulty name be "T3RR0R"? You mentioned the difficulty name like this in the difficulty description so I'm not too sure whether or not this inconsistency is intentional.
01:01:275 (1,2) - I am not fond of this rhythm because the music easily justifies having a hold sound, but instead you chose to use two circles, with the latter being on a really weak sound. A rhythm I would suggest would be to replace (1) with a 1/2 slider and delete (2), which would fit the music better because it continues mapping to the main melody without switching to some obscure instrument in the background, making it more faithful to the music that way.

Nice map, I like the slider art in Terror and the general theme of the mapset. Good luck with this ~

Avena

2,158 posts

Joined December 2012

Avena 2017-09-16T12:12:48+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
[4VEN4'S ULTR4]
In the set, GD'er names don't have numbers substituted for letters, so you should probably change this to be more consistent. It'll also be clearer to players who the GD'er is if you change it.
00:28:003 (1,2) - Not a fan of this sliders aesthetic, this kind of pattern is quite out of place as it's the only time you've used a slider-end overlap like this. Perhaps you could move (2) so that it overlaps the head of (1) instead. That way the cursor doesn't have to move out of the slider area when hitting the circle; whilst still maintaining a consistent aesthetic.
00:50:025 - You should map the 1/4 here. The sound is very audible, so you should do this in order to represent the music in the best way. I also think it's good because it'll help the repetition effect by having it end at the correct place dictated by the music, meaning it'll seem less forced. Same applies for 00:58:753 - and 01:29:298 - .
01:10:548 (6,7,8,9) - You should make this pattern flow in a similar way to 01:06:185 (6,7,8,9) - because firstly, the music in these two segments is roughly the same. Secondly, the flow in this pattern isn't good because the two sets of sliders mislead each other, meaning the transition from (7) to (8) will play choppy.

1. I'll ask Regou to fix it
2. It's honestly just fine? I tried what you suggested and it felt wrong.
3. I am following the melody, the beat you suggested is a small hi-hat in the background which isn't even that dominant
4. It plays super nice, and thanks to slider leniency there isn't such a big difference.

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-09-16T13:18:54+00:00

Apparently the vast majority of my diff's objects got unknowingly unsnapped. I or Regou will fix it soon, thank you!

Regou

1,916 posts

Joined July 2010

Topic Starter

Regou 2017-09-16T13:41:38+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
Hey, from my queue!

[E4SY]
00:40:821 (2,1) - I can notice a very slight overlap with the track of (1) and the head of (2). It's very minor, but it wouldn't be too hard to change either. fixed
01:29:639 (1) - This slider is overlapped rather heavily by the default skin's healthbar, which is poor presentation and it could pose as a reading issue for new players, so I would move it down a bit. alright
01:44:912 (1,2) - Double check the slider trail on these two notes. If you line then up, then you'll notice that they're not entirely parallel. It's minor, but it's easier to notice considering that it's an easy difficulty.fixed
01:49:275 (1) - This slider ignores a series of very strong beats, which doesn't represent the music well. I would try a shape like this. Here, each red anchor is on a strong sound within the music, so I think it would suit the music better. ok
[H4RD]
00:32:912 (1,1,1,1) - Not a fan of all the NCs here. Having all the sliders facing the same direction and having equal spacing emphasis is fine for this part of the song, you don't need to emphasise it more with NCs because it's inconsistent (this kind of comboing isn't seen anywhere else in the diff) and it'll make the HP slightly more strict than it needs to be. obviously I did it for aesthetics reason (tho it still kinda make sense as the beat is super strong here). I'll keep this one for now.
01:37:275 (1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern will be very hard to read because the order of the notes is different to the pattern introduced at 00:53:775 (1,2,3,4) - , meaning that players will probably botch the order by hitting (4) early. The stack and back-and-forth definitely doesn't help either. An easy fix would be to ctrl+g (3,4), which will ease readability greatly. overlapping (4) and (5) doesn't make pretty much sense to me here as it breaks the flow while it's nowhere supported by the music imo. I added a NC here instead.
[TERROR]
Shouldn't the difficulty name be "T3RR0R"? You mentioned the difficulty name like this in the difficulty description so I'm not too sure whether or not this inconsistency is intentional. I tried to apply E=3 and O=0 to other diffnames and it looks very weird so I just keep the diffname as "TERROR".
01:01:275 (1,2) - I am not fond of this rhythm because the music easily justifies having a hold sound, but instead you chose to use two circles, with the latter being on a really weak sound. A rhythm I would suggest would be to replace (1) with a 1/2 slider and delete (2), which would fit the music better because it continues mapping to the main melody without switching to some obscure instrument in the background, making it more faithful to the music that way. sound is even weaker on 01:01:412 - while I hear a relatively stronger snap on 01:01:548 (2) - so I think I would prefer keeping as it is right now.
Nice map, I like the slider art in Terror and the general theme of the mapset. Good luck with this ~ Thanks! :3

Changed ultra's diff name and snapped notes for LCFC as well (osu update is always creating more bugs gg)

Gloria Guard

2,273 posts

Joined May 2011

Gloria Guard 2017-09-17T01:01:22+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
Hey, from my queue!

[G.G's 4DV4NCED]
00:08:912 (1,2) - I'm not too big on these overlapping blankets, imo they don't look nice and if the player uses transparent/translucent hitcircles then it's really easy to see flaws in the blanket when they are this close together (for me, it looks like this). While it might not be too much of an issue for these using the default skin, I think you should still take this into account and change them. You've only done this three times in the beginning of the map, so it'll also be more consistent pattern wise. Okay. i will the other move to patterns.
00:54:185 (2) - You should make this a 1/1 non-repeating slider. This is to put more emphasis on the new sound introduced in the music. Also, because the music is different here my suggestion would help the map express this fact by making the sliders different as well. Same suggestion applies for 01:02:912 (2) - . it's not. because 00:54:312 - 00:54:457 this point to hear electrionic piano sounds.

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toybot

1,050 posts

Joined June 2013

toybot 2017-09-17T05:53:32+00:00

well theres a shit ton of mods so i'd rather not write a reply for all of them, but i fixed a lot. pm if you want to know why i mapped it like i did :d
thanks! https://0paste.com/15343.txt

Affirmation

2,543 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-10-10T08:20:48+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
[NeoSL'S NORM4L]
00:32:912 (1,2) - This part of the song could be expressed with identical cursor movements to go with the repetitiveness of the music here. To do this, I would either have two straight sliders going down in the same direction, or I would curve (2) so that the cursor forms a circle whilst moving. This part of the song is quite prominent and noticeable, so I definitely don't think it should be ignored.I think this pattern looks not bad.
01:13:003 You should add a note here, as it's a bit off-putting to skip a beat in this important song build-up. It's also a bit inconsistent, as a similar sound is emphasised at 01:14:094 (3) - and 01:17:094 (2) - .

Thanks

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MaridiuS

878 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-11-02T21:07:27+00:00

Hello, i'm here to mod.

[TERROR]
Map looks sweet, however, similar to my previous mod on one of your maps, it also has a few inconsistencies relating to difficulty of similar parts in the song too large for me to look over. Adding to that there could be some emphasis issues and some seemingly way too uncomfy patterns.

00:21:321 (5,1) - I admit that the movement feels nice here, but the jump is cross screen, while at it, it seems like it is the biggest one in the map lol. It's usage on a not so important note is what is disturbing me a bit. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9452027 By placing it similar to this the jump will have the same movement, except it now makes sense with the song by not being cross screen. Of course further pattern adjustment is up to you.
00:26:912 (1,2,1,2) - Another example of where the jumps feel fairly nice, but comparing it to any other part in the map on the same sounds, it is way too different and harder to land. 00:29:094 (1,2,3) - This is an example where you went 1/4 sliders and less spacing for some reason on same sounds. 00:31:412 (2,3) - An example on where you made a very passive pattern on the same sounds you did much more difficult patterning. Generally my advise is to find a hotspot on what patterning difficulty is the best for all those similar sounds in the song I mentioned and map all according to that difficulty. When going freely with patterning it is always advised to keep the difficulty of them similar, not doing that doesn't feel like it correlates to the song. If you intend on redoing the patterns, keep in mind that they should be easier than 00:32:912 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - since it is the most intense part of the section, and deserves its own difficulty to be higher than the other examples.
00:46:821 (1,2,1) - Dunno how much you care about movement/flow on not so hard parts but these angles are what players generally dislike. This pattern 00:59:912 (1,2,1) - has a sharp jump to (1) which other's of the same sound don't have, and should be reworked in correlation the others. The others seem to all have those wide angles, just in case you want to please some players you might consider doing sharp jumps ;p. I don't recall anyone hating sharp jumps except extreme pp map haters, but this ain't a pp map.
00:50:639 (2,1) - Comparing this jump to any counterpart you could see that it much larger and adding to that a bit uncomfortable. The inconsistency is too large, and should be adjusted in correlation to other patterns like 00:46:275 (2,1,2,3) - or 00:55:003 (2,1,2,3) -
00:59:094 (1,2) - Hmm doesn't look appealing because the overlap is inconsistent (the blanket or w/e), not perfect, and generally overlapping whole slider with a really low amount where their lines collide is generally consider bad looking idk.
01:18:935 (1,2,1,2,1) - The patterning here is way too unconventional. The player is forced to break their momentum many times while being forced after that to move extremely fast on the sliders. Generally for extremely fast SV's you should most usually consider the flow to be circular or linear, especially if the spacing between the sliders is big. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9452185 in my example I did some more pleasant flow. When you're about to go fast, it is usually done with a previous momentum, not with one artificially made. Today 2 testplays, players gave up on following the sliders fully(3digits).
01:23:912 (1,2,3) - I'm sorry but there don't seem to be any intense sounds on all of these 3 notes (just 2), so a very spaced triangle doesn't correlate to the song in any way I can understand.
01:30:185 (1,2,1,2) - This pattern reminds of a very usual pattern where a circle next to two kicksliders is placed really close to them. However in this case, the two circles are ctrl+g'd and is too much against usual mapping conventions for this pattern to be likeable lol. Generally, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454454 by doing something like this it should be much more enjoyable to play, in its current state the movement feels too artificial and hard. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454462 This also fits probably even better, but you'll have to readjust the subsequent patterns a bit more.
01:36:185 (1,2,3) - The composer imo seems to have intended a reducement in intensity here, since other than the rhythm not being that fast anymore, the background noise is tuned down. Putting a little stop to the intensity should, other than fit the song better, make further patterns that much enjoyable. I advise SV of 1.5x to 2x.

[Aven4]
On this difficulty I am generally a bit against a few rhythm choices. At times choices between going circles or sliders seems arbitrarily done without much relation to the song. It looked like you were going for patterning ideas in mind, dismissing the song as nothing is happening differently on several occasions.

00:18:185 (3,1,2) - First comparison that comes to mind is this. The song has constant synth sound on the red tick like 00:18:048 - and 00:18:594 - , but there are exceptions in the song, when the red tick 00:18:321 - has an additional vocal. Generally you'd want to acute some more distinct sounds in a section in order to make a better relation to the song. By actively mapping most vocals on red ticks like 00:18:321 - 00:18:866 - 00:19:412 - you will differentiate them from the other red ticks that have the constant synth going meaning it will better relate to the song. Now going back to the example, in order to understand better what I mean is to turn 00:18:185 (3) - into two circles, resulting in the red tick vocal being mapped, and change 00:18:457 (1) - into a slider, since the red tick is more fitting to be a sliderend because it has nothing important to it. 00:23:094 (1,1) - Some more examples of where you could make the sliderend actively mapped. Of course if you agree, this section might need a remap..
00:19:821 (1,2,3,4,5) - The spacing on these seems to be too large in comparison to the rest of the section since its in 1/4. 00:24:185 (1,2,3,4,5) - especially goes for this one, the spacing is bigger than the default choice of 1/2 spacing on the section.
00:46:275 (2,3) - In the rest of the section you tend to use bigger jumps and not so direct flow for this particular pattern where a 1/4 slider goes into a 1/2 one.
01:03:594 (2) - Comparing it to 01:04:139 (5) - it is fairly quiet and doesn't contain the deep bass + synth that that the other one has. Yet it is mapped identically. Ideally you'll want to make the weaker note a sliderend or give it lower spacing.
01:04:548 (1,2,3) - The vocals going faster compared to the previous pattern in this section suggests that the map should complement that with more circles and harder difficulty. By making all of these into circles every red tick with vocals will be filled, which is the way to go imo since it will be more intense to better follow the intensity of the song.
01:05:094 (3,5) - The synth (guitar?!?) notes appearing here are also fast going in 1/2 intervals, yet in the map it is all filled up with sliders without any particular change in the map to complement those additional sounds. Ideally if you follow my previous suggestions, and if you decide on turning these into circles, they should be differentiated as they're a different sound layer, so doing stacks or low spacing on these sounds would be the way to go.
01:05:912 (4,5) - Don't understand at all why this jump is large compared to anything else in the section.
01:07:821 - 01:10:003 - This interval contains similarly mapped notes, so all suggestions that I've said on this section are meant for this too.
01:10:139 (2,3,4,5) - Uhm them having different spacing emphasis than 01:05:639 (1,2,3,4,5) - doesn't seem to make sense at all when they're identical sounds.
01:12:185 (1,2,3) - Another example where a random note that isn't vocals or any particular synth / drum on the red tick is mapped same like one that has more intensity in the song to it 01:12:866 (5) - .
01:13:275 (1,2,3) - Similar issue I have pointed out recently where the vocals are going faster but the rhythm in the map is slowing down with slider usage.
01:14:094 (5,6) - Giving such huge notice to this particular synth sound makes me further put into question your dismissing of it on previous patterns like 01:09:730 (5) - .
01:24:185 (1) - Okay so let's try to analyze this. Let's say that the scream HZ is about 255 since its human maximumim... Calculating on this bpm 32 notes on 1/8 will happen in 1 second. 1/16 is 64, 1/32 is 128, 1/64 is 256. So that means in order to make this fit the song you'll have to multiply the bpm by 4x and snap on 1/16. Good luck on that. Tldr it's a good idea to use a slider or a spinner instead since following vocal pitch in HZ is not how much osu! has developed yet.
01:25:685 (3,4,5,6) - Like I've mentioned 00:46:275 (2,3)
Okay let me try to rationalize on why the spacing is a bit overspaced in the chorus. 00:49:139 (8,1) - 01:28:411 (8,1) - browsing the map a bit, I've found these as examples of drum emphasis on a note after a circle. This is a single note emphasis, therefore it is generally more acceptable to be big. While in this section, every jump is bigger than that emphasis even though its like all jumps. So by comparing a bit, I think that I've found the most acceptable spacing for the jump section https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9455107 , that way it would make more sense with the rest of the map. However it gets a little more problematic 01:35:094 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - when you increase the intensity of the map, even though the song doesn't seem to have any louder 1/2 or a pitch increasing in the background. The spacing becomes incomparable to the rest on this spacing distance.
01:39:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Another argument that may compel you to not increase of spacing in the first part of the kiai is that this, what I linked, has no increasment in spacing compared to its counterpart in the first part.
01:39:935 - pretty sure the 3stack should be here and not 01:39:798 (4) -

Depending on the replies and results of my mod on these two maps, I will consider going for nomination, will however checkback on my own accord. Also Toybot difficulty also seems like it has some rhythm issues, but as I said, I'll be first awaiting replies. Checked the others diffs, and there doesn't seem anything of much significance as these two posts.

Regou

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Topic Starter

Regou 2017-11-03T06:08:40+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
Hello, i'm here to mod.

[TERROR]
Map looks sweet, however, similar to my previous mod on one of your maps, it also has a few inconsistencies relating to difficulty of similar parts in the song too large for me to look over. Adding to that there could be some emphasis issues and some seemingly way too uncomfy patterns.
00:21:321 (5,1) - I admit that the movement feels nice here, but the jump is cross screen, while at it, it seems like it is the biggest one in the map lol. It's usage on a not so important note is what is disturbing me a bit. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9452027 By placing it similar to this the jump will have the same movement, except it now makes sense with the song by not being cross screen. Of course further pattern adjustment is up to you.
Nerfed the spacing by a lot should be better now lol

00:26:912 (1,2,1,2) - Another example of where the jumps feel fairly nice, but comparing it to any other part in the map on the same sounds, it is way too different and harder to land. 00:29:094 (1,2,3) - This is an example where you went 1/4 sliders and less spacing for some reason on same sounds. 00:31:412 (2,3) - An example on where you made a very passive pattern on the same sounds you did much more difficult patterning. Generally my advise is to find a hotspot on what patterning difficulty is the best for all those similar sounds in the song I mentioned and map all according to that difficulty. When going freely with patterning it is always advised to keep the difficulty of them similar, not doing that doesn't feel like it correlates to the song. If you intend on redoing the patterns, keep in mind that they should be easier than 00:32:912 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - since it is the most intense part of the section, and deserves its own difficulty to be higher than the other examples.
I mainly want to focus on vocal so I'll keep this pattern, though, I nerfed the spacing here as well.

00:46:821 (1,2,1) - Dunno how much you care about movement/flow on not so hard parts but these angles are what players generally dislike. This pattern 00:59:912 (1,2,1) - has a sharp jump to (1) which other's of the same sound don't have, and should be reworked in correlation the others. The others seem to all have those wide angles, just in case you want to please some players you might consider doing sharp jumps ;p. I don't recall anyone hating sharp jumps except extreme pp map haters, but this ain't a pp map.
I ctrl+g ed the second slider now the pattern should give a comfortable wide angle flow now

00:50:639 (2,1) - Comparing this jump to any counterpart you could see that it much larger and adding to that a bit uncomfortable. The inconsistency is too large, and should be adjusted in correlation to other patterns like 00:46:275 (2,1,2,3) - or 00:55:003 (2,1,2,3) -
they now have similar spacing :3

00:59:094 (1,2) - Hmm doesn't look appealing because the overlap is inconsistent (the blanket or w/e), not perfect, and generally overlapping whole slider with a really low amount where their lines collide is generally consider bad looking idk.
I increased the overlapping here should look better now

01:18:935 (1,2,1,2,1) - The patterning here is way too unconventional. The player is forced to break their momentum many times while being forced after that to move extremely fast on the sliders. Generally for extremely fast SV's you should most usually consider the flow to be circular or linear, especially if the spacing between the sliders is big. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9452185 in my example I did some more pleasant flow. When you're about to go fast, it is usually done with a previous momentum, not with one artificially made. Today 2 testplays, players gave up on following the sliders fully(3digits).
I think the vocal here would kind of support artificial momentum as vocal is repeating here. I understand this pattern is very tricky especially for tablet players, but personally I still prefer current pattern as the movement required would be drastic if I making more changes in jump angle here it would be less straight forward (change of angle is way too sudden so players, at least for me, will not to able to sense it immediately). It's very hard to follow the slider shape completely under high SV but you'd still be able to get a 300 here by making a more linear movement.

01:23:912 (1,2,3) - I'm sorry but there don't seem to be any intense sounds on all of these 3 notes (just 2), so a very spaced triangle doesn't correlate to the song in any way I can understand.
I did that to emphasize the screaming at (3) jumps at here will build up the momentum to emphasize (3).

01:30:185 (1,2,1,2) - This pattern reminds of a very usual pattern where a circle next to two kicksliders is placed really close to them. However in this case, the two circles are ctrl+g'd and is too much against usual mapping conventions for this pattern to be likeable lol. Generally, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454454 by doing something like this it should be much more enjoyable to play, in its current state the movement feels too artificial and hard. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454462 This also fits probably even better, but you'll have to readjust the subsequent patterns a bit more.
sure!

01:36:185 (1,2,3) - The composer imo seems to have intended a reducement in intensity here, since other than the rhythm not being that fast anymore, the background noise is tuned down. Putting a little stop to the intensity should, other than fit the song better, make further patterns that much enjoyable. I advise SV of 1.5x to 2x. Bass still give very strong impact here so I'd prefer using high SV. Yet, I reduced the SV to 2.5x so as to make the pattern more comfortable to play.
Depending on the replies and results of my mod on these two maps, I will consider going for nomination, will however checkback on my own accord. Also Toybot difficulty also seems like it has some rhythm issues, but as I said, I'll be first awaiting replies. Checked the others diffs, and there doesn't seem anything of much significance as these two posts.

Thanks for modding!!

DeRandom Otaku

2,136 posts

Joined November 2014

DeRandom Otaku 2017-11-04T10:53:00+00:00

Finally a proper map for this song tbh
[General]

http://puu.sh/ydR4c/29c6ec3ed8.png

[Easy]

00:50:094 - 00:58:821 - 01:29:366 - Try adding a circle on these spots or atleast extend the previous sliders to blue ticks. The rhythm will still be fine and won't get too dense. Adding a circle would really make more sense since the sound on beats like 00:58:003 - continuous till 00:58:821 -

[NeoSL]

00:47:639 (3) - This is the only spot where you did a 1/2 repeat slider while at other places like 00:52:003 (3) - these got a 1/1 slider only so yea maybe change 00:47:639 (3) - to a 1/1 as well, Firstly for consistency ,secondly because 1/2 sounds pretty unnecessary

[G.G]

00:52:548 (1) - 1/2 is extremely unnecessary here. just try to do a 1/1 slider instead because with the current rhythm you are emphasizing 00:52:685 - which makes the sounds on 00:52:957 - 00:53:230 - feel less drastic even tho they are much more emphasized
00:53:775 (1,2) - The sounds that are supported by 00:54:185 (2) - are seriously not as much strong as the sounds 00:53:775 (1) - this is supporting. Having both with same rhythm, same slider shape and having them next to each other is what makes it problematic to me. Atleast try to map them in a way so that the contrast between the different sounds is more reasonable
Same things repeat throughout the difficulty

[Hard]

00:08:503 (1) - Could be a bit misleading as its a hard difficulty because the slider ends on the upward direction while the next circle is below it

[toybot]

00:29:912 - I get that you are trying to follow the kicks here but the rhythm ,the way you made it, sounds a bit weird. Theres a clear sound on 00:29:912 - which you shouldn't ignore, if you don't want to give it much emphasis you can simply add a reverse to 00:29:639 (1) - and that will solve the problem

[Drop]

01:06:185 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - You made this whole pattern so hard and followed the wubs really nicely ,The wubs at 01:07:275 - 01:07:412 - 01:07:548 - 01:07:548 - Are even more intense than what all the previous ones so yea i really suggest you do something more intense than just a 1/2 slider.
Suddenly changing the instrument from wubs to those sounds at 01:07:275 - 01:07:548 - felt kind of weird
01:11:503 - 01:12:048 (8) - Why are these notes muted lol
01:22:548 (1,2) - Comparing these two, theres a big difference between what both sliders follow, yet they are next to each other and are mapped in a similar way. 01:22:548 (1) - You can definitely change this into a 1/4 repeat slider for a better contrast
01:35:707 (4) - There is no audible sound on this beat and giving it as much emphasis as 01:35:503 (1,2,3) - is just bad because giving 4 equal emphasis to the first three circles makes them loose their emphasis really badly. The way you executed this at 01:40:207 (4) - is better though

[Avena]

01:39:798 (4) - The sound is actually at 01:39:935 - not at 01:39:798 -
01:44:639 (1) - Probably remove this nc since you didn't NC this one in other cases

[Terror]

00:30:457 (1) - Try ctrl'g on this because that would make a much better movement through these notes
01:38:094 (3) - Unsnapped
01:37:412 (1,1,1,1) - Unnecessary NC spam tbh

You can call me back if the things i mentioned in advanced are fixed and if maridius doesn't bubble

Regou

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Topic Starter

Regou 2017-11-04T12:08:11+00:00

Fixed all for my diff!! also fixed tags etc on lcfc's diff

[ Drop ]

556 posts

Joined February 2013

[ Drop ] 2017-11-04T16:45:10+00:00

DeRandom Otaku wrote:
[Drop]
01:06:185 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - You made this whole pattern so hard and followed the wubs really nicely ,The wubs at 01:07:275 - 01:07:412 - 01:07:548 - 01:07:548 - Are even more intense than what all the previous ones so yea i really suggest you do something more intense than just a 1/2 slider.
Suddenly changing the instrument from wubs to those sounds at 01:07:275 - 01:07:548 - felt kind of weird
01:11:503 - 01:12:048 (8) - Why are these notes muted lol
01:22:548 (1,2) - Comparing these two, theres a big difference between what both sliders follow, yet they are next to each other and are mapped in a similar way. 01:22:548 (1) - You can definitely change this into a 1/4 repeat slider for a better contrast
01:35:707 (4) - There is no audible sound on this beat and giving it as much emphasis as 01:35:503 (1,2,3) - is just bad because giving 4 equal emphasis to the first three circles makes them loose their emphasis really badly. The way you executed this at 01:40:207 (4) - is better though

All fixed ty

Last edited by [ Drop ] 2017-11-04T16:52:01+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

[ Drop ]

556 posts

Joined February 2013

[ Drop ] 2017-11-04T16:50:42+00:00

-Faded- wrote:
Hey, from my queue!
[Drop's EXTR4]
00:02:775 (2,3) - Make this stack consistent with the stacks at 00:00:594 (2,3) - and 00:03:457 (5,1) - . It'll throw players off and I don't see a reason why the spacing on this stack should be any different to the ones before and after.
00:41:639 (1,2,3) - You can make this pattern look nicer if you moved (2) to x:477 y:254 and (3) to x:441 y:336. This way there is a noticeable symmetry and the player will easily be able to see the parallel lines formed by (1) and (2). Same suggestion applies to 00:42:730 (1,2,3,4) - .
01:11:503 (4) - I'd make this note a lot louder. While I do understand the effect you were going for (silencing the note to put emphasis on the vocal), this is a decision that I don't agree with because hitsounds serve the purpose of providing the player feedback; without them then the player will struggle to hit the notes accurately. I would at least make the hitsound here louder, i.e. have the note at 30% volume instead of 5%, because this'll still allow you to achieve the effect you were going for without hindering the player's experience.
01:44:912 (1) - I would move the third anchor point to x:342 y:140 so that it blankets 01:45:321 (1) - , making it look nicer. (It'll look something like this)

All fixed ty~
can you help me with these hitsound problem ;w; sorry

here

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toybot

1,050 posts

Joined June 2013

toybot 2017-11-04T18:03:18+00:00

i just added a circle instead, reverse would be pretty confusing too
thanks! https://0paste.com/17122.txt

Gloria Guard

2,273 posts

Joined May 2011

Gloria Guard 2017-11-08T01:54:20+00:00

DeRandom Otaku wrote:
Finally a proper map for this song tbh
[G.G]
00:52:548 (1) - 1/2 is extremely unnecessary here. just try to do a 1/1 slider instead because with the current rhythm you are emphasizing 00:52:685 - which makes the sounds on 00:52:957 - 00:53:230 - feel less drastic even tho they are much more emphasized I intended the some drum and general tick sound here. If you insert the 1/1 slider, you will ignore any other sounds contained within the slider. so I think it is better to create rhythm as it is than to ignore it.
00:53:775 (1,2) - The sounds that are supported by 00:54:185 (2) - are seriously not as much strong as the sounds 00:53:775 (1) - this is supporting. Having both with same rhythm, same slider shape and having them next to each other is what makes it problematic to me. Atleast try to map them in a way so that the contrast between the different sounds is more reasonable I think I've made the right sound and have already made a slider that fits the general player level If this slider is in a shape and rhythm that people don't know at all, I understand your suggestion. also I think personal problem and general problems are different. becasue this pattern and rhythm is a common pattern that many people already know. and I didn't make an inaccurate rhythm, and the look only made it look like a general shape to allow the player to perceive it according to the mood of the music.
Same things repeat throughout the difficulty I made the correct rhythm and tried to maintain consistency.

Regou

1,916 posts

Joined July 2010

Topic Starter

Regou 2017-11-09T10:39:33+00:00

I guess I'd have to check mods for Avena first because he seemed to be inactive right now :/ (omg hope I didn't screw things up)

MaridiuS wrote:
Hello, i'm here to mod.

[Aven4]
On this difficulty I am generally a bit against a few rhythm choices. At times choices between going circles or sliders seems arbitrarily done without much relation to the song. It looked like you were going for patterning ideas in mind, dismissing the song as nothing is happening differently on several occasions
.
00:18:185 (3,1,2) - First comparison that comes to mind is this. The song has constant synth sound on the red tick like 00:18:048 - and 00:18:594 - , but there are exceptions in the song, when the red tick 00:18:321 - has an additional vocal. Generally you'd want to acute some more distinct sounds in a section in order to make a better relation to the song. By actively mapping most vocals on red ticks like 00:18:321 - 00:18:866 - 00:19:412 - you will differentiate them from the other red ticks that have the constant synth going meaning it will better relate to the song. Now going back to the example, in order to understand better what I mean is to turn 00:18:185 (3) - into two circles, resulting in the red tick vocal being mapped, and change 00:18:457 (1) - into a slider, since the red tick is more fitting to be a sliderend because it has nothing important to it. 00:23:094 (1,1) - Some more examples of where you could make the sliderend actively mapped. Of course if you agree, this section might need a remap..
I think I can't really remap for avena 'cause it might break the map ;w;...I changed 00:18:185 (3) - into circles as the vocal is pretty strong there. Yet i kept 00:23:094 (1,1) - because having a slider there makes the flow much better imo, changing them into circle may kind of make a flow spike here...

00:19:821 (1,2,3,4,5) - The spacing on these seems to be too large in comparison to the rest of the section since its in 1/4. 00:24:185 (1,2,3,4,5) - especially goes for this one, the spacing is bigger than the default choice of 1/2 spacing on the section.
I guess this one should be okay because players won't follow the slider pathway when they click on those 1/4 sliders during gameplay so they would only work like a circle

00:46:275 (2,3) - In the rest of the section you tend to use bigger jumps and not so direct flow for this particular pattern where a 1/4 slider goes into a 1/2 one.
fixed

01:03:594 (2) - Comparing it to 01:04:139 (5) - it is fairly quiet and doesn't contain the deep bass + synth that that the other one has. Yet it is mapped identically. Ideally you'll want to make the weaker note a sliderend or give it lower spacing.
I changed (1) to a slider

01:04:548 (1,2,3) - The vocals going faster compared to the previous pattern in this section suggests that the map should complement that with more circles and harder difficulty. By making all of these into circles every red tick with vocals will be filled, which is the way to go imo since it will be more intense to better follow the intensity of the song.
01:05:094 (3,5) - The synth (guitar?!?) notes appearing here are also fast going in 1/2 intervals, yet in the map it is all filled up with sliders without any particular change in the map to complement those additional sounds. Ideally if you follow my previous suggestions, and if you decide on turning these into circles, they should be differentiated as they're a different sound layer, so doing stacks or low spacing on these sounds would be the way to go.
fixed (with maridius help)

01:05:912 (4,5) - Don't understand at all why this jump is large compared to anything else in the section.
Nerfed

01:07:821 - 01:10:003 - This interval contains similarly mapped notes, so all suggestions that I've said on this section are meant for this too.
fixed 01:07:821 - , for 01:10:003 - check the explanation above

01:10:139 (2,3,4,5) - Uhm them having different spacing emphasis than 01:05:639 (1,2,3,4,5) - doesn't seem to make sense at all when they're identical sounds.
fixed

01:12:185 (1,2,3) - Another example where a random note that isn't vocals or any particular synth / drum on the red tick is mapped same like one that has more intensity in the song to it 01:12:866 (5) - .
fixed

01:13:275 (1,2,3) - Similar issue I have pointed out recently where the vocals are going faster but the rhythm in the map is slowing down with slider usage.
fixed

01:14:094 (5,6) - Giving such huge notice to this particular synth sound makes me further put into question your dismissing of it on previous patterns like 01:09:730 (5) - .
fixed

01:24:185 (1) - Okay so let's try to analyze this. Let's say that the scream HZ is about 255 since its human maximumim... Calculating on this bpm 32 notes on 1/8 will happen in 1 second. 1/16 is 64, 1/32 is 128, 1/64 is 256. So that means in order to make this fit the song you'll have to multiply the bpm by 4x and snap on 1/16. Good luck on that. Tldr it's a good idea to use a slider or a spinner instead since following vocal pitch in HZ is not how much osu! has developed yet.
I changed it to a spinner

01:25:685 (3,4,5,6) - Like I've mentioned 00:46:275 (2,3)
fixed

Okay let me try to rationalize on why the spacing is a bit overspaced in the chorus. 00:49:139 (8,1) - 01:28:411 (8,1) - browsing the map a bit, I've found these as examples of drum emphasis on a note after a circle. This is a single note emphasis, therefore it is generally more acceptable to be big. While in this section, every jump is bigger than that emphasis even though its like all jumps. So by comparing a bit, I think that I've found the most acceptable spacing for the jump section https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9455107 , that way it would make more sense with the rest of the map. However it gets a little more problematic 01:35:094 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - when you increase the intensity of the map, even though the song doesn't seem to have any louder 1/2 or a pitch increasing in the background. The spacing becomes incomparable to the rest on this spacing distance.
I nerfed 01:34:003 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - and 01:35:912 (8,9) -.The reason why I kept most of 01:35:094 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - is mainly because the pitch is higher there so I think having the largest spacing here throughout the whole map should still make sense. Still, some nerf is done to ensure playability of the pattern.

01:39:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Another argument that may compel you to not increase of spacing in the first part of the kiai is that this, what I linked, has no increasment in spacing compared to its counterpart in the first part.
Same as above, the pitch is higher here so slightly increasing the spacing here should be okay imo. Yet, I did some fine adjustment slight decreasing the spacing to make the pattern a bit easier

01:39:935 - pretty sure the 3stack should be here and not 01:39:798 (4) -
Fixed
Depending on the replies and results of my mod on these two maps, I will consider going for nomination, will however checkback on my own accord. Also Toybot difficulty also seems like it has some rhythm issues, but as I said, I'll be first awaiting replies. Checked the others diffs, and there doesn't seem anything of much significance as these two posts.

Also removed NC at 01:44:639 (1) - !

Affirmation

2,543 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-11-10T08:16:30+00:00

fixed Ren's stuff

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MaridiuS

878 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-11-10T22:32:02+00:00

Oki had some irc with regou and he fixed most stuff from Avena and a few more suggestions on his Terror diff, now I proceed to check the rest OwO. NO KUDOSU!!!

[Drop Extr4]

00:26:912 (5) - This is a sound that is still impactful like it was till now, like 00:22:548 (4,5) - or 00:18:185 (4,5) - . So with the vocals still being that impactful, I warmly recommend to make the slider into two circles so that it will also be more impactful in the map. 00:29:094 (5) - Same goes for this and 00:31:275 (5) - . I could understand that the section kinda changed which leads to different interpretation, however, some sounds are the same, still as loud and noticeable like the previous section.
00:35:094 (1) - In the current state it looks very weird how the sliderheads overlap, some more spacing, like this should work better https://i.imgur.com/JGdK9GQ.jpg . Usually those pixel imperfect stacks feel off, so just make it less overlapped.
00:45:457 (1,1) - This is odd too, no reason not to make it a full overlap.
00:51:116 (8,9) - By making the 1/4 slider a bit curved, it would other than look better, enrich the current structure. The curved streams will be grouped with curved sliders, and straight streams with straight sliders, switching stream shape but not slider shape is a bit inconsistent. Referring to 00:55:275 (5,6,7,8,9) - and 00:46:548 (5,6,7,8,9) - . 00:59:912 (9) - This slider could also be curved.
01:05:094 (5,6) - Transforming them into 1/2 with some gimmick (like stacks idk your choice) should work really well to differentiate the electronic sound here that appears on 1/2 intervals. 01:09:457 (5,6) - Especially applies to this since it has those electronic sounds, yet it is mapped quite similarly to others pure vocals like 01:04:003 (5,6) - . Same goes for 01:13:821 (1,2). 01:18:185 (1,2) - Although for this one I suggest turning only the first one into 2 clickable circles in order to give some space to the player with second being slider.
01:06:321 (2) - There seems to be some hitsounding errors, this should not have a clap, but rather 01:06:457 (1) - should.
01:23:366 (2,3,4,5,6) - In this pattern red ticks are much more dominant than the white ticks it hurts, yet white ticks were given same emphasis / spacing. In order to differentiate the important red ticks from the white ticks, this is the rhythm that I can provide https://i.imgur.com/pXTCaXE.jpg. In case you apply, be sure to give them big spacing (whatever u thing is big is ok) in order to emphasize it but spacing not just rhythm.
01:26:094 (7) - Similarly like I have mentioned on the previous kiai, you could make this curved. 01:30:185 (3,4,5,6,7) - And to keep similar variety formula where you switch between straight and curved streams this might be a good idea to be a straight stream. Or you could make the first straight but the second curved with a curvy slider, your choice.
01:37:957 (4,5,6) - Can't u just stack it on 01:37:275 (1) -

[Toybot]

00:20:639 (2) - It would be sweet if this were 2 circles to follow the vocals which have on both the sliderend and sliderhead "E" sound xd.
00:26:912 (4) - It should be a good idea to emphasize this like it was done before 00:22:548 (2,3) - , this part of vocals and intensity didn't change in this section.00:29:094 (4) - Same to this. Other than being more relevant to the song, it would make this part more fun since there seem to be too many sliders in a row.
00:40:275 (4) - This is a completely different layer than 00:40:003 (3) - yet it is mapped identically. Making this into 2 circles to follow the high pitched sounds is one option. Different option of filling it is to make 00:40:003 (3) - 1/1 so it gets filled in a different way if you want the drums to have main emphasis.
00:46:821 (1,2) - The main concern that I have with the difficulty is that these two don't have contrast in the whole section, and the kiai after. 00:46:821 (1) - This has 2 high pitched synth on both red and white tick while 00:47:094 (2) - is much less intense with only one pitch on its head. Now, even though it is structured like that throughout the map and planned, it doesn't mean it's the best option. So in case you disagree with this I'd want your strongest opinions. 00:51:185 (1,2) - 00:55:548 (1,2) - same goes for these and any similar in the map, including the second kiai too. The other difficulties differentiate them by making either the second slider 3/4 and reduced SV, some by introducing kicksliders, and an additional option I offer is to make 00:46:821 (1) - sounds into 2 circles.
00:47:707 - This being empty makes me feel empty inside. I kinda understand that you're against quadriples but hmmm... 00:51:730 (3,1) - How about filling it like this instead, they are the same sounds. Even if technically you didn't follow the 1/4's, it got filled by sliderslide. 00:56:435 - 01:00:457 (3) -
01:31:003 (3,4) - Other than the suggestion applying to this, the spacing to (4) is like 1/4 spacing and could be a bit confusing 01:30:048 (3,4,1) - . Additionally by it being low spacing it is being inconsistent with 00:56:503 (4,5,6) - previous section 3stack after a slider, meaning its easier to do even though in this section I felt like you intended an increase of difficulty.
01:31:003 (3,4) - Other than suggestion applying to this too, the 3stack is only not used here, no reason to vary it now. It was consistent all about till here.
01:39:185 (4) - It's a good idea to make this into 2 circles like you did 01:34:821 (4,5,5,6) - on these two examples since its the same sound and it makes sense to make it more intense.

[lcfc]

01:01:275 (1) - This looks like it has tumor xdxd. https://i.imgur.com/qDT5HAH.jpg I say yes to simple Z
01:02:230 (1,2,3) - Enable stacking, it looks really weird since one is fully stacked, the other just a bit.
Other than that, well fkin done man.

[e4sy]

Have you tried ar3? I think it works better since some spots with huge pauses seem weird in the current state. Also sorry for ruining the descent by putting easy here, but I had to for some green lines xd.
00:10:821 (3) - Really confused to volume reducement to 55% from 00:10:616 - . 00:14:980 - same from this.
00:25:685 - Wish that in future you remove those green lines, it could sometimes annoy you, or force modders / nominators to check them out for no reason.
00:27:457 - Not sure if this is by mistake 100%, lines are really weird. 00:17:366 - same for this.
00:35:025 - This line could sound weird when the player that spins suddenly hears a more quiet spinning score sound.
00:43:821 (3) - Whistle?
00:58:821 (3) - clap?
01:22:003 - Uhm you could use this beat here, I think new players would prefer to click something then wait for something they don't know what.
01:29:366 (3) - Clap + whistle? I mean for clap you usually put it 1/1 before a downbeat like 01:26:912 (3) - , whistle since idk it sounds good.
01:32:503 (2) - When the curved slider gets close to the path of a straight slider, not only trying to blanket the sliderhead or end it looks weird. So https://i.imgur.com/eAtTt0e.jpg I'd suggest something like this.
01:36:185 (5,1) - This pause is too long, placing a note on 01:37:275 - should really fit imo.

[H4rd]

Same green line volume problems, referring to 55% ones especially. I think ar 7.5 should suit this more (or even ar8) since this is a hard difficulty based on spaced sliders not following DS with hard focus on rhythm, it will be more conventional that way.

00:21:321 (3) - I believe this vocal too be quiet, at least quieter than 00:21:457 (1,2,3) - . With your map focusing mostly on slider spacing / jumps and not rhythm density, this feels a bit like an overkill to have 5 1/2 clickables in a row. By making this a slider the following triangle will feel much more emphasized.
00:24:594 (2,3) - This sounds really off, no obvious musical pattern is being followed, and you base your map on white ticks mostly. https://i.imgur.com/sCgWf3i.jpg this rhythm seems much better since it's on white ticks, and reverse slider is where the repeated fast vocals start.
01:03:594 - damn u really like pausing these two 01:08:094 -
01:23:094 (1,2,1) - https://i.imgur.com/asiezIz.jpg You'd want to do something like this for multiple reasons. It may seem confusing to players playing hard difficulties, since there was no element of this type included in the mapset. Next, it looks odd since it is a full overlap, yet 01:23:503 (2,1) - is partially overlapped (I mean with osu! autostack). Third, "If stacks are used, Stack Leniency must be set high enough for 1/2 hit objects to stack. Directly overlapping hit objects cause reading problems for players of this level." Idk some rule xd. It is not really warranted imo.
01:32:775 (1) - https://i.imgur.com/v5TqdpN.jpg Played around and made it symmetrical, I think it looks better this way since the sliderend isn't in the middle of slider.

[G.G]
Wow these are some mad 1/2 trains. However that is problematic at times since emphasis is not being felt when a seemingly non important note was mapped actively, which in even harder difficulties should be often considered as a sliderend. Other than that I think this'll need a little bit work on rescaling the difficulty of sections, as the most rhythmically dense part in the song 01:34:003 - has lower rhythmical density in the map than some more peaceful sections.

Now firstly I'd like to mention few places where the 1/2 gap isn't really warranted. By doing 1/1 more important notes could be better emphasized. 00:18:048 (2) - First that comes to mind is this one, since it's significantly weaker than both the slider end and the vocals on the sliderhead in the subsequent note. Same applies to this 00:22:412 (2) - . And I think the most viable option is https://i.imgur.com/WMnTpRX.jpg . It also suits the vocals since slider heads are being clicked when the vocals begin. Also same applies to all others similar to that in case you agree.
01:20:912 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - This is a really long train of 1/2's with a lot of notes happening with varying intensity. A good idea would be to break down the rhythm a bit, ease it up. https://i.imgur.com/mn8T7qA.jpg I've came up with this rhythm, it may not follow the rhythm on point, but it overall complements the intensity of that part. 01:21:321 - Since this is less intense than others, for example in kiai which are followed up by drums, using 1/1 should suit better to follow the synth. By doing this it will establish a nice contrast when the kiai starts which should have denser rhythm.
As a way to make the kiai with the densest rhythm in the song actually hardest... You could https://i.imgur.com/ytVy6YH.jpg use more circles here, it's an ideal spot, right between two long sliders, players will have all the time to prepare for that, and it will overall balance out the intensity of the kiai. Same applies to 01:39:321 (4,1,2,3,1) - . The star rating isn't rising so I'd say it's a pretty valid idea. Anyways if apply this mod in at least similar way as I suggest, you will probably solve contrast and emphasis issues without a need for further analyzing imo.

[NeoSL]

Ugh yeah, same green line volume problems
01:11:094 (3) - Making it symmetrical should look better https://i.imgur.com/P7ekTAS.jpg
01:22:003 (2,2) - Not a good looking overlap
01:47:094 (1,2) - Blanketing it should look better xd

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