1. I can barely hear the soft-hitnormal and it makes a lack of feedback when clicking stuff, you have to raise the volume IMO.

1. 00:17:879 (2,3,4) - what are you following here? if the instruments then try a 1/2 slider and circle, if vocals then try a circle and a 1/2 slider, following both sounds confused
2. 00:21:775 (6) - this slider is starting in an almost inaudible beat, tbh I don't agree with this, what you could do is https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8327356 (ignore the beat placement)
3. 00:29:567 (5) - it's super weird that you dediced to map this, when you were following the vocals at the before parts, ex: 00:26:353 (4) - 00:32:587 (4) - etc
4. 00:35:801 (7) - are you sure that this is 1/6? the first vocals sounds like it, but the next one isn't snapped at the blue tick ??, tbh I think the first one is just off as 00:34:827 (2) -, talk with monstrata about this too, before fixing , 00:34:632 (1,2,3) - vs 00:35:801 (7) -
5. 00:43:398 (3,4,5) - why are you using different spacing if the beats has similar sounds
6. 00:48:269 (3,4,1) - actually 1 is the beat that should have more emphasis, why 3 and 4 are bigger than 1?
7. 01:32:294 (1,2) - can you add a silence slider-slide? this sounds so bad

1. 00:21:774 (4) - same issue as the insane diff
2. 00:26:449 (4) - same as insane in 00:29:567 (5) -
3. 00:29:566 (4) - ^
4. this hard feels so weird sometimes, not sure if is the density or the AR being too low for it, tbh I'd use 7,5, since your rhythms, stack leniency, SV and spacing feels too high compared to your ar.
   

1. 00:33:852 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - this patterns feels really dense for the easy diff in the set, tbh you have alternatives to make them less denser and more comfortable to play, for example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8327897 rhythm only
2. mmm a lot of parts are super dense for the easy diff in the set, tbh making an easy don't take much time and allow you to make better spreads, with the above example maybe you can work in other similar places.
   

Natsu wrote:

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General

1. I can barely hear the soft-hitnormal and it makes a lack of feedback when clicking stuff, you have to raise the volume IMO. probably you only? because to me the volume sounds pretty fine already and no one ever had a problem with it, but i still increased ita bit in some sections only.

Insane

1. 00:17:879 (2,3,4) - what are you following here? if the instruments then try a 1/2 slider and circle, if vocals then try a circle and a 1/2 slider, following both sounds confused following vocals and circles are fine here since the snare is really emphasized in the song
2. 00:21:775 (6) - this slider is starting in an almost inaudible beat, tbh I don't agree with this, what you could do is https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8327356 (ignore the beat placement) its for the purpose of rhythm simplification since its an easier kind of an insane i dont want to have much technical of a rhythm and such. i have had same kinds of problems with another one of my old maps that helped me to learn to execute these rhythms like this. you might have a problem with this but me and most other people would suggest the other way around. I am still gonna keep it in mind, i will change it in some way if its pointed out again.
3. 00:29:567 (5) - it's super weird that you dediced to map this, when you were following the vocals at the before parts, ex: 00:26:353 (4) - 00:32:587 (4) - etc yep right,fixed
4. 00:35:801 (7) - are you sure that this is 1/6? the first vocals sounds like it, but the next one isn't snapped at the blue tick ??, tbh I think the first one is just off as 00:34:827 (2) -, talk with monstrata about this too, before fixing , 00:34:632 (1,2,3) - vs 00:35:801 (7) - i heard it many times with 25% playback and i m pretty confused lol since both ways sound almost as close to each other so i guess i will just go with you suggestion and if you are saying that 00:34:632 (1,2,3) - is off too then its not i m pretty sure that this is 1/4 lol
5. 00:43:398 (3,4,5) - why are you using different spacing if the beats has similar sounds well the song is gaining intensity and the vocal at 00:43:788 (5) - is definitely a bit louder
6. 00:48:269 (3,4,1) - actually 1 is the beat that should have more emphasis, why 3 and 4 are bigger than 1? Uh yea but its intentional,
   its the same as 02:03:463 (1) -
7. 01:32:294 (1,2) - can you add a silence slider-slide? this sounds so bad the slider ends are clearly supporting vocals, muting them sounds pretty weird to me tbh

Hard

1. 00:21:774 (4) - same issue as the insane diff in hard i just wanted these to be like these because i didnt want all of them to be as hard as insane because yea its a hard difficulty and thats an insane and hard is ofcourse supposed to be simpler.
2. 00:26:449 (4) - same as insane in 00:29:567 (5) -
3. 00:29:566 (4) - ^ same as before
4. this hard feels so weird sometimes, not sure if is the density or the AR being too low for it, tbh I'd use 7,5, since your rhythms, stack leniency, SV and spacing feels too high compared to your ar. sure then changed to 7.3 for now

Normal

1. 00:33:852 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - this patterns feels really dense for the easy diff in the set, tbh you have alternatives to make them less denser and more comfortable to play, for example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8327897 rhythm only the rhythm is ok. if i change this i would have to make a lot of other rhythms simpler in the whole difficulty to be at same difficulty level overall.
2. mmm a lot of parts are super dense for the easy diff in the set, tbh making an easy don't take much time and allow you to make better spreads, with the above example maybe you can work in other similar places. well i know its pretty hard but i m fine with this and i have already ranked two sets with hard difficulties like this as first difficulty. also some BNs are ok with it so yea also i m too lazy to make easy now lol

you can call monstrata for rebub

1. 2nd Kiai NC is inconsistent with 4th and 6th ones.
   2nd: 01:08:527 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) -
   4th: 02:23:333 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) -
   6th: 03:13:203 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) -
   
2. 01:29:177 (1) - On I.M's rap, he says "던져" (deonjyeo), but this only goes until "던", missing the last syllable, so you could add a circle on 01:29:469 with 40~50% volume. Imo it would flow better. Another option would be add a circle on 01:29:566 since there's a clap on this beat.
   
3. 03:21:190 (3,4) - Sounds better with 30% instead 50%.

1. add Irreversible in tags

1. hello cs7 mapper why it is cs4 looooooool
2. 00:11:255 (1,2) - I nearly can't hear the hs that I think I'm playing double ghost notes loool,how about make 00:11:644 - 's green line more early?
3. 00:16:709 (3,4,5) - ds is a little small,how about this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8506260
4. 01:10:475 (7) - 01:12:034 (11) - NC there?
5. 01:29:956 (3,4,5) - use a different style but same rhythm as 01:28:787 (1,2,1) - 01:27:618 (1,2,1) - ,maybe it not fit there...
6. 02:58:982 (4) - NC there?
7. 03:04:047 (3,5) - they are touched and not a perfect blanket ;w;

Pulse wrote:

hey yo
quick stuff

[Irreversible's Insane]

1. 2nd Kiai NC is inconsistent with 4th and 6th ones.
   2nd: 01:08:527 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17) -
   4th: 02:23:333 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) -
   6th: 03:13:203 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - fixed!
   
2. 01:29:177 (1) - On I.M's rap, he says "던져" (deonjyeo), but this only goes until "던", missing the last syllable, so you could add a circle on 01:29:469 with 40~50% volume. Imo it would flow better. Another option would be add a circle on 01:29:566 since there's a clap on this beat. I see your point, I've extended this slider by 1/8 instead so it actually hits the last syllable. Having something to click here would be too weird imo
   
3. 03:21:190 (3,4) - Sounds better with 30% instead 50%. fixed!

[Crz]Sword wrote:

[General]

1. add Irreversible in tags

[Irre's Insane]

1. hello cs7 mapper why it is cs4 looooooool Haha, I will release a new CS7 map soon enough
2. 00:11:255 (1,2) - I nearly can't hear the hs that I think I'm playing double ghost notes loool,how about make 00:11:644 - 's green line more early? yess
3. 00:16:709 (3,4,5) - ds is a little small,how about this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8506260 yeah, cool
4. 01:10:475 (7) - 01:12:034 (11) - NC there? yep
5. 01:29:956 (3,4,5) - use a different style but same rhythm as 01:28:787 (1,2,1) - 01:27:618 (1,2,1) - ,maybe it not fit there... Hmm, I feel like it is fitting.
6. 02:58:982 (4) - NC there? yes
7. 03:04:047 (3,5) - they are touched and not a perfect blanket ;w; haha nice catch, fixed

GL~


Great set!

Bubblun wrote:

Mod for Irre's diff

00:13:787 (4,4) - Slightly off. fix

01:27:618 (1,2,1) - Supproted by your coloring the first two notes are grouped together, so their pattern should compliment that. I'd put the antijump under the first note instead. what? I'll talk to you about that ingame

02:06:384 (6) - I think you should hitsound this, as it's stressed. fix

02:15:151 (1,2,3,4,5) - The claps are a little obnoxious here. Soft whistles instead? fix

02:27:423 (2) - Note looks a bit random as it could aesthetically compliment the slider for a blanket or line up with 02:26:449 (4) - mhh i see where you're coming from but I'll keep that as it follows the arc from the slider before

02:29:956 (5) - Slightly off from forming the triangle. slightly adjusted

02:56:255 (1) - In every single chorus this note is not hitsounded, yet it's stressed so well. I highly suggest complimenting that. fix

03:05:313 (9) - Although I think the claps are a bit obnoxious, this should be on 5 as there is no strong sound here. The only two fitting notes for claps in this stream are 1 and 5. fix

03:16:709 (6) - Think there should be an nc here. fix


gl

Cryptic wrote:

Here for Irre's diff. Shouldn't it be Irreversible's Insane, btw? Also, don't forget to add him to the tags.

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You told me not to worry about NC's or hitsounds, so I won't. Here goes a quick mod. DM me if you don't understand anything or want me to elaborate more since I was kind of lazy here.

00:43:982 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - With the way you currently have this mapped, 00:44:371 (1) - gets no emphasis at all. While a stream jump isn't necessary, unstacking the two 1,2,3,4's slightly would go a long way to improving this pattern. fixed

00:47:878 (1,2) - I hear the noise you're getting your justification from, but it's not that much more intense than the song. Nerf these a bit (while making sure they still stay larger than the other 1/2 jumps). fixed

00:51:384 (5,6) - Personally, I don't hear any justification for this much movement here. In fact, I think this pattern may be better off stacked! Something like this feels a lot more accurate to the song (and looks pretty cool as well). Mhh, I feel like having the stress here kind of suits the vocals. I'll try out your suggestion but I'm not sure if I can keep it stacked, somehow that'd feel off to me. Will definitely adjust stuff tho! The emphasis might be too high rn.

00:55:086 (5,6) - Why is a strong drum beat (6) getting less emphasis than really light synths? Move that 6 higher man. fixed

01:30:735 (1,2,1,2) - Having all these stacked consecutively takes so much away from your emphasis in my opinion. They just feel... bland and small. This is a pretty different vocal section, so representing it in a different way is good, but at least give the player something more interesting for it. fixed,
that section actually was quite bland lol
01:32:294 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Same thing kind of applies here. Finding a compromise between these would be nice. Hm, I agree that the pattern b4 was bland but I find this one pretty cool to play

01:58:787 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - See previous. fixed

02:01:904 (1,2,1,2) - Having these be a triangular rotation instead of the sort of stacked thing you did earlier feels weird. I prefer 00:47:099 (1,2,1,2) - way more. i'll redo that pattern, it's kinda sucky

02:06:384 (6,7) - 02:10:086 (6) - See previous. alrighto

02:50:800 (6) - Having a held slider over vocals that end on a strong downbeat just feels weird. I get it for the symmetry aspect but, the rhythm feels super off. At the very least, I'd CTRL-G the 6 and stack a note on the head at 02:50:605 -. I'll go with your second suggestion!

02:56:060 (5,1,2) - The movement here works for me due to the held vocal and the final call back to the chorus. Maybe making the spacing smaller could be nice, but I don't think a stack is necessary.

03:13:592 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Feels way worse than the previous sections. I think changing patterns to like 03:13:592 (3,4,5,1) - from being straight sliders will help. Also, unstacking 03:16:320 (5,6) - the 6 from the 5 would help. This section previously had a lot of curving movement (in other parts) and it really feels like you've made it too straight/linear here. Yeah, I'll adjust that.

Len wrote:

hello!


hd:

cs a little big

00:48:657 (1,2,3) - make easier like this? http://puu.sh/wNAFn/138bd9c964.jpg its more readable i actually prefer the current pattern
01:24:891 (2,3,4,5,6) - same http://puu.sh/wNAJL/c43020450d.jpg i dont know how the current pattern is hard to read tho, its pretty casual
03:20:800 (3,4) - i dont think it needs jump http://puu.sh/wNANT/77617914b8.jpg sure,nerfed


ins:

01:27:035 (4) - nc fixed


gl!

Mir wrote:

on request

[General]
- Check for delay: normal-hitwhistle.wav fixed

[Hard]
- 03:00:931 (6,1) - This jump seems a bit sudden considering it wasn't done in previous kiais. 00:56:256 (6,1) - 02:11:061 (6,1) - are quite low compared to 03:01:126 (1) - which is 2.71x lol. i m so sure i fixed this from a previous mod, oh well

[Insane]
- 00:12:619 (9,1) - I feel like emphasis could be a bit more focused on 00:12:814 (1) - since 00:12:619 (9) - isn't very strong. Perhaps something like this? fixed
- 00:13:593 (3) - Kinda sad this sound isn't getting anything special, just a circle. it doesnt deserve anything special tho, nothing special on that beat or something
- 00:23:723 (1,2,3,4) - Not really sure why the vocals are being ignored here, it feels more appropriate to have the jumps start at 00:24:501 - instead since the vocals are still pretty strong and have some nice 3/4 stuff going on that gets ignored. well the downbeat starts with drums and i want to follow the drums from start of the downbeat
- 00:34:826 (2) - Too late, should be on the yellow tick right before it. its werid having a 1/8 just once in a map full of 1/4 or 1/2 ,its gonna play awkwardly so yea, rhythm simplification stuff
- 01:32:295 (1,2,3,4) - I feel like these should be circles only to coincide with 01:30:736 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - where the sounds in both of these patterns are basically the same, but for some reason you switch the rhythm after the NC on 01:32:294 - which doesn't make sense to me. It would probably fit more if you put the variation in rhythm after 01:33:268 - because that's where the song actually changes. The reason i have sliders for the latter part is that i wanted to give the part a bit variation, I am still focusing on vocals but these pair of circles 01:30:736 (1,2) - are repeated four times already, repeating them more is just gonna make them boring and stuff, thats why sliders came into place
- 01:40:476 (2,3) - No 1/4 sliders for these wub sounds? not actually prioritizing any wub here as obvious, focusing on vocals only

I can't really agree with the rhythm of this diff, it ignores too much of the drums for my liking.
[ ]
Good luck!

Mir wrote:

[Irreversible's Red Rose]
- 00:22:066 - Skipping a possible triple here you could use to actually emphasize the next vocal. I dont' see a reason why this should be emphasized, especially because the blue tick is really quiet here.
- 00:27:716 - Pretty sure there's a vocal here, maybe 1/4 slider? There isn't, at least I don't seem to notice one. If you listen closely, you might be able to agree that 1/2 is the best option.
- 00:30:248 (2,3,4,1) - I don't really understand why 2 is unstacked. To me it seems that 1 actually has the stronger sound so it makes more sense to unstack 4 for that extra movement than 2. Would also prepare the player for the sudden SV increase. That's a good point, I actually didn't like that pattern anyway, haha. Fixed!
- 01:30:735 (1,2,1,2) - Mmh, the rhythm variation thing is similar to the concern I have with the Insane. 01:32:294 (1,2,1,2,1) - Are similar sounds but mapped with circles, but sliders are used before. The intensity doesn't increase until 01:33:268 - where it would make more sense to throw in a variation for me. I disagree, because to me it seems the vocal at first are more silent, which then switch into some more intense vocals which is also emphasized by the spacing increase ultimatively.
- 01:39:599 - Could be a triple to capture more of the drums. Could be, but I don't see the need for it - as you might have already implied beautifully in your concluding sentence, I followed the vocals mainly.

I can't really agree with the rhythm of this diff, it ignores too much of the drums for my liking. If this was the reason why you decided not to push this map forward, then this is really regrettable :/ My maps tend to follow the vocals mostly, that's why statements like this make it incredibly difficult to push maps forward - even though there technically isn't anything wrong with it.
[ ]
Good luck!

1. 00:25:282 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - rhythms get pretty monotonous here even though it isnt much different from 00:12:813 . could probably try have more variation
2. 00:50:996 (2) - the prolonged gap just feels so awkward, especially cos you're moving into a more intense section. why not just cover these gaps with sliders instead https://puu.sh/x2jag/b6b0656fc4.png
3. 01:13:398 (4,5) - should probably overlap these like 01:10:282 (4,5) - instead, to keep things more intuitive. or could stack 01:10:282 (4,5)
4. 01:27:035 (5) - definitely shouldnt be mapped with a circle, the snapping isnt precise enough and normal players dont have the best sense of bpm
5. 03:01:905 (2,3) - spacing seems inconsistent here

1. 00:01:904 - would be cool to use 1/4 repeats for this stuff since theyre really prominent
2. 00:26:061 (3,4) - 00:29:178 (3,4) - snapping is kinda weird with these as they sound like the same vocal rhythms as 00:22:944 (3,4,5) - 00:32:295 (3,4,5) . 00:26:352 - might be slightly off but regardless itd be better to keep it consistent
3. 00:46:905 (3,1) - 02:01:710 (3,1) - should try ctrl g'ing rhythms or something to keep clicking prioritisation on white ticks. having the finish on a slider end is eh
4. 00:51:579 - similar to normal i reckon these rhythms could be filled in, https://puu.sh/x2Li8/b4e2804080.png that follows the synth. the latter rhythms at 00:57:813 - are fine
5. 01:15:151 - the way you handle this section just feels so off.. sv and spacing concepts seem to be the hardest here, but in terms of intensity it doesnt sound like the climax of the song
6. 01:18:658 (2,3,4) - could get pretty ambiguous as to where the player has to move, especially with the lower ar it can get pretty intimidating. if u avoid the stack with 01:18:658 (2,4) - itd be a lot more readable
7. 01:36:970 (1) - drastic single-slider sv changes should be avoided in a hard
8. 01:43:105 - pretty loud triple here

1. 00:15:541 (6,7,8,9,1) - 00:28:009 (6,7,8,9,1) - etc. mapping these as quintuplets doesnt really express how it sounds tbh, kicks on 00:15:736 (8,9) - are much louder and 00:15:541 (6) - is only a vocal. removing 00:15:639 (7) - or making 00:15:541 (6,7) - a slider would work better imo
2. 00:29:567 (5) - same as in hard, snapping would be more appropriate on blue tick 00:29:469
3. 00:36:191 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - higher spacing would make this more intuitive, so that its visually different from ur 1/4 spacing 00:34:243 (5,6,7,8,1)
4. 00:46:905 (3) - similar to in hard, should try mapping the downbeat. or i wouldve expected a slider at 00:47:684 (3,1) - to keep patterns that follow vocals 00:46:515 (1,2,3)
5. 00:49:437 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - sounds a lot more like two sets of triplets, overmapping it makes it boring https://puu.sh/x2O7n/271bce3a64.png
6. 00:51:385 (4) - filler rhythm
7. 01:01:710 (4,5) - what is this spacing
8. 01:13:009 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - the 1/4 track continues until 01:13:982 - so only mapping a small segment of it then switching back to vocals makes your rhythm choice feel so random. you could probably map the vocals 01:13:009 (3,5,7) - while giving attention to the 1/4s by passively mapping them with slider ends

1. 00:26:352 (2) - is this intentionally snapped to the 1/8? the red tick sounds much more accurate 00:26:644 - where the vocal/instrument lands
2. 00:28:105 (4,5) - jump here would be nice, spacing is kinda underwhelming when you had 00:25:086 (1,2) - for the previous downbeat
3. 00:48:268 (1,2) - dont think this is rankable lol, should try show more of the slider bodies
4. 01:01:612 (3) - 02:16:417 (3) - triplets dont seem necessary here as it takes emphasis off the kicks 01:01:514 (2) - which r quite prominent
5. 01:27:618 (1,2) - 01:28:787 (1,2) - 1/4 spacing here seems really overkill, you never had stop-start motion to this extent and itd also be worthwhile to differentiate it from 1/2 spacings 01:28:008 (1,2)
6. 01:42:423 (7) - follows the 1/2 synths while 01:48:657 (1,2,3) - follows the 3/4 sounds. should try keep these consistent

Pentori wrote:

[General]
this seems like another case where bpm should be halved
vocal sequences that extend from 00:12:813 - to 00:15:930 - cover two measures on the current metronome yet musically this is only one measure
also with snares landing on 00:50:995 - 00:52:553 - when theyd be expected to land on the 2nd and 4th beats i will see about this.

it'd also be worthwhile to boost some of the hitsound volumes. 00:11:255 - is really low in comparison to how loud the music is, even 02:42:423 - is louder when its a softer section z ya fixed

add irre to tags

[Normal]

1. 00:25:282 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - rhythms get pretty monotonous here even though it isnt much different from 00:12:813 . could probably try have more variation
2. 00:50:996 (2) - the prolonged gap just feels so awkward, especially cos you're moving into a more intense section. why not just cover these gaps with sliders instead https://puu.sh/x2jag/b6b0656fc4.png its not that awkward, its fine for normal
3. 01:13:398 (4,5) - should probably overlap these like 01:10:282 (4,5) - instead, to keep things more intuitive. or could stack 01:10:282 (4,5) to be honest, Both stacked and unstacked patterns are fine. Vocal intensity is not similar in both cases anyway
4. 01:27:035 (5) - definitely shouldnt be mapped with a circle, the snapping isnt precise enough and normal players dont have the best sense of bpm
5. 03:01:905 (2,3) - spacing seems inconsistent here

[Hard]
aimod

1. 00:01:904 - would be cool to use 1/4 repeats for this stuff since theyre really prominent Theres another case like this in the same section and i didnt do 1/4 on that too because its intentional.
2. 00:26:061 (3,4) - 00:29:178 (3,4) - snapping is kinda weird with these as they sound like the same vocal rhythms as 00:22:944 (3,4,5) - 00:32:295 (3,4,5) . 00:26:352 - might be slightly off but regardless itd be better to keep it consistent
3. 00:46:905 (3,1) - 02:01:710 (3,1) - should try ctrl g'ing rhythms or something to keep clicking prioritisation on white ticks. having the finish on a slider end is eh its on purpose to give most emphasis to vocals
4. 00:51:579 - similar to normal i reckon these rhythms could be filled in, https://puu.sh/x2Li8/b4e2804080.png that follows the synth. the latter rhythms at 00:57:813 - are fine same as normal, i dont really want to fill in that gap ><
5. 01:15:151 - the way you handle this section just feels so off.. sv and spacing concepts seem to be the hardest here, but in terms of intensity it doesnt sound like the climax of the song it is actually on purpose too because the part is wubby and the way i mapped it goes with it imo
6. 01:18:658 (2,3,4) - could get pretty ambiguous as to where the player has to move, especially with the lower ar it can get pretty intimidating. if u avoid the stack with 01:18:658 (2,4) - itd be a lot more readable i will see what others say about it first.
7. 01:36:970 (1) - drastic single-slider sv changes should be avoided in a hard changed sv by .3x
8. 01:43:105 - pretty loud triple here its a kick tho, not vocal :<

stuff like 02:42:423 - having a higher sv than kiais didnt make much sense to me either :'( Kiais pretty much only have low sv because of that bassline and higher spacing to give best emphasis to vocals

[Insane]

1. 00:15:541 (6,7,8,9,1) - 00:28:009 (6,7,8,9,1) - etc. mapping these as quintuplets doesnt really express how it sounds tbh, kicks on 00:15:736 (8,9) - are much louder and 00:15:541 (6) - is only a vocal. removing 00:15:639 (7) - or making 00:15:541 (6,7) - a slider would work better imo
2. 00:29:567 (5) - same as in hard, snapping would be more appropriate on blue tick 00:29:469
3. 00:36:191 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - higher spacing would make this more intuitive, so that its visually different from ur 1/4 spacing 00:34:243 (5,6,7,8,1)
4. 00:46:905 (3) - similar to in hard, should try mapping the downbeat. or i wouldve expected a slider at 00:47:684 (3,1) - to keep patterns that follow vocals 00:46:515 (1,2,3) um yea, same in hard
5. 00:49:437 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - sounds a lot more like two sets of triplets, overmapping it makes it boring https://puu.sh/x2O7n/271bce3a64.png There are hi hats on blue ticks for sure, i can hear them
6. 00:51:385 (4) - filler rhythm d
7. 01:01:710 (4,5) - what is this spacing i fixed this from a mod earlier lol, Anyawy re fixed
8. 01:13:009 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - the 1/4 track continues until 01:13:982 - so only mapping a small segment of it then switching back to vocals makes your rhythm choice feel so random. you could probably map the vocals 01:13:009 (3,5,7) - while giving attention to the 1/4s by passively mapping them with slider ends uh yea. sounds cool but i feel like getting more opinions on this one too

similar concerns repeat throughout other parts

[Irreversible's Red Rose]

1. 00:26:352 (2) - is this intentionally snapped to the 1/8? the red tick sounds much more accurate 00:26:644 - where the vocal/instrument lands
2. 00:28:105 (4,5) - jump here would be nice, spacing is kinda underwhelming when you had 00:25:086 (1,2) - for the previous downbeat
3. 00:48:268 (1,2) - dont think this is rankable lol, should try show more of the slider bodies
4. 01:01:612 (3) - 02:16:417 (3) - triplets dont seem necessary here as it takes emphasis off the kicks 01:01:514 (2) - which r quite prominent
5. 01:27:618 (1,2) - 01:28:787 (1,2) - 1/4 spacing here seems really overkill, you never had stop-start motion to this extent and itd also be worthwhile to differentiate it from 1/2 spacings 01:28:008 (1,2)
6. 01:42:423 (7) - follows the 1/2 synths while 01:48:657 (1,2,3) - follows the 3/4 sounds. should try keep these consistent

gl

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

Pentori wrote:

[Irreversible's Red Rose]

1. 00:26:352 (2) - is this intentionally snapped to the 1/8? the red tick sounds much more accurate 00:26:644 - where the vocal/instrument lands it was intentional but i guess this is mor save
2. 00:28:105 (4,5) - jump here would be nice, spacing is kinda underwhelming when you had 00:25:086 (1,2) - for the previous downbeat the vocals call for a completely other pattern here (echo)
3. 00:48:268 (1,2) - dont think this is rankable lol, should try show more of the slider bodies yea
4. 01:01:612 (3) - 02:16:417 (3) - triplets dont seem necessary here as it takes emphasis off the kicks 01:01:514 (2) - which r quite prominent yea
5. 01:27:618 (1,2) - 01:28:787 (1,2) - 1/4 spacing here seems really overkill, you never had stop-start motion to this extent and itd also be worthwhile to differentiate it from 1/2 spacings 01:28:008 (1,2) yea
6. 01:42:423 (7) - follows the 1/2 synths while 01:48:657 (1,2,3) - follows the 3/4 sounds. should try keep these consistent reasoning as above, the vocals aren't the same hence why i don't think it should be consistent

gl

Thank you! really helpful mod

osu file format v14

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1. HP Drain rate -1? This is easiest difficulty on this mapset so it's difficult for beginners.
2. 00:10:670 - I feel kind of empty on here. Because you took the 1/2 sound before 00:07:553 - so try to consider adding a note to here.
3. 00:37:749 (1) - prefer to use unstack on 00:36:191 (4) - end for reading. try to move it right or something
   
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1. HP Drain rate -1? same rate as Insane diff
2. 00:37:748 - I feel it's too hard for reading a slider speed on this difficulty level. (1.20 -> 0.65) perefer to use over 0.8 slider speed
3. 01:05:801 (1) - How about using a curve slider ? it's better for design around here 01:05:411 (5,1,2,3) -
4. 02:11:061 (6) - try to make a square shape on 02:10:671 (4,5,6,1) - like
   
   SPOILER

   

1. 00:32:879 (5) - change to 1/4 slider instead of a circle? It would be better to follow the vocal
2. 00:36:191 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - hmm, it's fine but the spacing is similar previous 1/4 notes at here 00:34:243 (5,6,7,8,1) -. try to make a jump on 1/3 sounds or use more spacing than 1/4 sounds.

1. Cool!

alacat wrote:

hi m4m~

[Normal]

1. HP Drain rate -1? This is easiest difficulty on this mapset so it's difficult for beginners.-0.5 only for now,i will see what others have to say about this
2. 00:10:670 - I feel kind of empty on here. Because you took the 1/2 sound before 00:07:553 - so try to consider adding a note to here. Theres a forced sound at 00:07:748 - that why i used different rhyth m there
3. 00:37:749 (1) - prefer to use unstack on 00:36:191 (4) - end for reading. try to move it right or something changed differently
   
   SPOILER

   

[Hard]

1. HP Drain rate -1? same rate as Insane diff sure
2. 00:37:748 - I feel it's too hard for reading a slider speed on this difficulty level. (1.20 -> 0.65) perefer to use over 0.8 slider speed it shouldnt be too hard since the sliders are pretty long
3. 01:05:801 (1) - How about using a curve slider ? it's better for design around here 01:05:411 (5,1,2,3) - i made it wavy
4. 02:11:061 (6) - try to make a square shape on 02:10:671 (4,5,6,1) - like i like the current one tho :<
   
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[Insane]

1. 00:32:879 (5) - change to 1/4 slider instead of a circle? It would be better to follow the vocal u might have have noticed later that there is no 1/4 slider after 2 1/2 slider with 1/4 in a row and i dont wanna do that because that might be a bit too hard ig so yea
2. 00:36:191 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - hmm, it's fine but the spacing is similar previous 1/4 notes at here 00:34:243 (5,6,7,8,1) -. try to make a jump on 1/3 sounds or use more spacing than 1/4 sounds. i guess you have the older version of map or something because those 1/3 were changed to 1/2 for rhythm simplifation purposes

Good luck~

1. up the ar to 5? you use plenty of higher density patterns, i think it'll improve readability
   
2. 00:14:372 (4) - small stacking error
   
3. 01:06:191 (2) - Feels bad because the start of this strong vocal section is covered under sliderend unlike 01:03:463 (3,4) -. Same goes for 02:20:996 (2) -
   
4. 02:07:749 (5) - double here to make both vocals clickable? seems mapped to nothing atm, making the rhythm unpredictable
   
5. 02:58:204 (1,2) - felt unpredictable too, because you mapped this clap sound many times but it goes ignored here, double?

1. 00:15:541 (4) - 2 notes? 2 strong vocals, it's weird to have this be the same object as 00:15:152 (3) - is, which is mapped to soemething entirely different
   
2. 00:29:178 (3,4) - vs 00:26:061 (3,4) - yea i dont have to explain i guess (map it like you usually did by making both slider follow vocals)
   
3. 00:50:801 (2,3) - stack here feels random - there seems no reason to me that you'd stop the momentum here. Places like 00:57:035 (2,3) - also don't do this
   
4. 01:12:035 (1,2,3,4) - the angle of this entire pattern feels rather unnatural, also because the visual distance between 01:12:035 (1,2) - doesn't really match the rest, making the spacing seem lower. how about something like this? https://voli.s-ul.eu/EwHL2d13.png
   
5. 01:25:574 (5,6) - alright - i like the idea but i think it's slightly too op for a hard and also offthrowing because 01:24:892 (2,3) - in the same combo is also a stack but is a 1/2 instead. i recommend either removing the double and just making it a repeat, or ncing this pattern to separate it from the other stack
   
6. 02:01:320 (1,2,3) - vs 02:02:100 (1,2,3,1) - , the first pattern has the last vocal clickable on a slider, but the second pattern doesn't. I recommend changing the first pattern to 3 notes as well since 02:01:904 - would be nice to click either way (cuz of the finish). Rhythm would be like this https://voli.s-ul.eu/8c5kfThU.png

1. 01:19:827 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - structure seems rather random and unorganized, the flow direction looks messy - how about something like escalating back and forth jumps? I think it's strange that you didn't map the sounds at 01:20:605 - though, they seem prominent and you mapped them here too 01:17:489 (4,5,6) - 01:23:723 (4,5) -
   
2. map seems p cool

1. 00:24:501 (1,2) - i recommend you change these sliders to a round, bread-like shape (but also a bit like inflated water balloons)
   
2. 00:43:592 (3) - angle of the slider feels a bit strange, perhaps point it downwards like this https://voli.s-ul.eu/1Su0PFM2.png to make it transition well into 00:43:982 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
   
3. 00:50:995 (3,4,5) - i like the idea of switching instrument lines here but i think the spacing change is too harsh (from super slow sliders to a full screen movement)
   
4. 00:51:384 (5,6) - rhythm seems random because the clickable note at 00:51:579 (6) - is mapped to nothing in the music, also doesn't really warrant a jump like that, maybe make 00:51:384 (5) - a vocal hold slider
   
5. 00:52:748 (3) - wat is that finish hs and what is this whistle 00:53:527 (6) - wtf
   
6. 00:53:527 (6) - would probably work better as a smooth, slow slider rather than a harsh up/down movement listening to this vocal. same goes for 02:08:333 (6) -
   
7. 00:54:307 (1,2,3,4,5) - i find it weird that this suddenly ignores the vocals completely because the ticking noise thing in the background is rly not prominent. To keep your cool shuriken pattern though, how about this rhythm? https://voli.s-ul.eu/Hfw1onUG.png
   
8. 01:39:599 - feels like a note should be here, both drum and vocal have a note here (make it a triple)
   
9. 01:45:540 (1,2,3) - linear movement doesn't feel too well, rather change direction on 01:45:930 (3) - to separate those patterns better. also why are 01:44:761 (1,2,1,2) - separated by ncs and this pattern isnt?
   
10. 02:49:436 (4) - missing hitnormal i guess
    
11. 03:14:566 (4) - would work better as 3 notes cuz 03:13:203 (1,2) - are clickable too
    
12. 03:20:995 (2) - nc?

Voli wrote:

from queue

Hitsound volume feels strangely low outside of the kiais (mostly the 30% sections at the start of the map), perhaps up those by 10 or 15%? Irre's hitsound volume feels better, however he has everything at 70% lol (pls up the kiais and stronger sections irre) it feels fine to me idk, natsu pointed this out as well so i guess i am gonna do something about it. Raised most of the sections by 10 and some by 5.

Normal

1. up the ar to 5? you use plenty of higher density patterns, i think it'll improve readability Map is dense ya but Ar 5 is gonna be too much for first difficulty to be honest.
   
2. 00:14:372 (4) - small stacking error
   
3. 01:06:191 (2) - Feels bad because the start of this strong vocal section is covered under sliderend unlike 01:03:463 (3,4) -. Same goes for 02:20:996 (2) -
   
4. 02:07:749 (5) - double here to make both vocals clickable? seems mapped to nothing atm, making the rhythm unpredictable I would rather keep this one as it is because two reason, Firstly the rhythm is gonna get too dense secondly the vocal is pretty week
   
5. 02:58:204 (1,2) - felt unpredictable too, because you mapped this clap sound many times but it goes ignored here, double? If the clap you are talking about is this one 02:58:787 - then its not followed in other sections like this . e.g 02:08:917 - 00:54:112 - just for great emphasis to vocals

Hard

1. 00:15:541 (4) - 2 notes? 2 strong vocals, it's weird to have this be the same object as 00:15:152 (3) - is, which is mapped to soemething entirely different
   
2. 00:29:178 (3,4) - vs 00:26:061 (3,4) - yea i dont have to explain i guess (map it like you usually did by making both slider follow vocals)
   
3. 00:50:801 (2,3) - stack here feels random - there seems no reason to me that you'd stop the momentum here. Places like 00:57:035 (2,3) - also don't do this
   
4. 01:12:035 (1,2,3,4) - the angle of this entire pattern feels rather unnatural, also because the visual distance between 01:12:035 (1,2) - doesn't really match the rest, making the spacing seem lower. how about something like this? https://voli.s-ul.eu/EwHL2d13.png
   
5. 01:25:574 (5,6) - alright - i like the idea but i think it's slightly too op for a hard and also offthrowing because 01:24:892 (2,3) - in the same combo is also a stack but is a 1/2 instead. i recommend either removing the double and just making it a repeat, or ncing this pattern to separate it from the other stack unstaked the 1/2
   
6. 02:01:320 (1,2,3) - vs 02:02:100 (1,2,3,1) - , the first pattern has the last vocal clickable on a slider, but the second pattern doesn't. I recommend changing the first pattern to 3 notes as well since 02:01:904 - would be nice to click either way (cuz of the finish). Rhythm would be like this https://voli.s-ul.eu/8c5kfThU.png i will keep mine here because i would rather not make the cymbal finish and leave vocal unclickable because when i emphasize vocals, i try to emphasize them hardcore ,if i change the slider to circles its gonna make it too dense so i guess current pattern is the way to go for me

Insane

1. 01:19:827 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - structure seems rather random and unorganized, the flow direction looks messy - how about something like escalating back and forth jumps? I think it's strange that you didn't map the sounds at 01:20:605 - though, they seem prominent and you mapped them here too 01:17:489 (4,5,6) - 01:23:723 (4,5) - Yeah i know the flow is kinda bad but its organized in a way that i wanted. You see this is like the only part on the whole song where there are those wubs emphasized on every 1/2 tick of the whole downbeat and thats why i wanted to emphasize them in this way, by making the flow kind of weird for it to play unnaturally because 'wubs'
   
2. map seems p cool

call me on da telephone

Voli wrote:

Irreversible's Red Rose

1. 00:24:501 (1,2) - i recommend you change these sliders to a round, bread-like shape (but also a bit like inflated water balloons)
   
2. 00:43:592 (3) - angle of the slider feels a bit strange, perhaps point it downwards like this https://voli.s-ul.eu/1Su0PFM2.png to make it transition well into 00:43:982 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I intendedly made it like this, to give the vocals more emphasis here. They felt like stronger, because they are introducing a change into the more intense section.
   
3. 00:50:995 (3,4,5) - i like the idea of switching instrument lines here but i think the spacing change is too harsh (from super slow sliders to a full screen movement) I felt like the instruments with the strong vocals here justify such a spacing. I tried to keep the instrument as well as the vocal intensity in mind.
   
4. 00:51:384 (5,6) - rhythm seems random because the clickable note at 00:51:579 (6) - is mapped to nothing in the music, also doesn't really warrant a jump like that, maybe make 00:51:384 (5) - a vocal hold slider It actually ends on an instrument - I've mapped it like this because I felt like the change into an only-vocal area would be too sudden in this case.
   
5. 00:52:748 (3) - wat is that finish hs and what is this whistle 00:53:527 (6) - wtf Yeahh.. the finish actually accentuates stuff well, but the whistle was very off. Fixed in other instances too.
   
6. 00:53:527 (6) - would probably work better as a smooth, slow slider rather than a harsh up/down movement listening to this vocal. same goes for 02:08:333 (6) - oh yeah good fix
   
7. 00:54:307 (1,2,3,4,5) - i find it weird that this suddenly ignores the vocals completely because the ticking noise thing in the background is rly not prominent. To keep your cool shuriken pattern though, how about this rhythm? https://voli.s-ul.eu/Hfw1onUG.png Reworked!
   
8. 01:39:599 - feels like a note should be here, both drum and vocal have a note here (make it a triple) From my point of view, the vocals don't reaaally call for it.
   
9. 01:45:540 (1,2,3) - linear movement doesn't feel too well, rather change direction on 01:45:930 (3) - to separate those patterns better. also why are 01:44:761 (1,2,1,2) - separated by ncs and this pattern isnt? Because the vocals are in 12 12 1234 from my point of view - Bomo, soja,
   wimemgoo #fluentinkorean
   
10. 02:49:436 (4) - missing hitnormal i guess Fixed!
    
11. 03:14:566 (4) - would work better as 3 notes cuz 03:13:203 (1,2) - are clickable too The flow appears to be better with the vocals tho
    
12. 03:20:995 (2) - nc? Yeah :3

call me on da telephone

1. 00:12:229 (5) - idk if you considered this already but the vocals here are pretty strong and I believe this slider doesn't make them justice. Something like this or similar ones are not a good idea?
2. 00:12:813 (2,3,4) - this combo feels kinda messy, unlike the rest of the patterns around it. Maybe try to respect DS or stack 3 on top of 4?
3. 00:54:696 (2,3,1) - would be cool to manually stack these since they form an ugly overlap: https://i.imgur.com/U8VCIeO.png // 02:09:501 (2,3,1) - same
4. 01:27:618 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1) - this is highly personal, but having perpendicular lines being the main characteristic of a pattern is kinda awkward on this map, since so far everything was either curved (00:26:839 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 00:15:540 (1,2,1) - ), parallel (00:22:943 (1,2) - 00:31:904 (1,2,3,4) - ) or incidental (00:22:164 (1,2,1,2) - 00:49:436 (1,2,1,2) - 00:56:449 (1,2,1,2) - ). Adding one more concept there feels kinda out of place and a bit inconsistent with the rest :/
   Maybe it is possible to curve those sliders or to change their angle a bit, idk... This is a really general point so I can't make a specific suggestion here. Up to you if you want to do anything
5. 01:42:423 (7) - pretty sure vocals suggest to end it with the first repeat alone x). It also makes you catch the beat on drums at 01:43:008 - if you remove a repeat from that slider, which is good to express better the whole song imo
6. 02:46:904 (1,2) - this small spacing out of nowhere feels a bit inconsistent too. Either make it slightly bigger or reduce 02:44:761 (1,2,3) - and similar ones (although this second option doesn't sound so great tbh)
7. 02:54:112 (1,2,1,2) - hope you don't mind if I steal this for some of my maps
8. 02:57:813 (1) - well, I just realized since I am using the default, but unused slider ends sound better in general (say, someone playing with ping pong sounds will hear that as a strong beat anyway) so I suggest to silence all the unused ones if you can
9. 03:20:995 (1,2,3) - again personal interpretation, but if you change 2 into a circle and stack 3 under it like this
   it makes a better effect of the echo imo

1. 00:05:411 (3,4,5,6) - highly personal but I feel like these would look better as 1/4 sliders with silenced slider tail, like you did for 00:03:853 (2,3) - . It's that strange sound that makes me think they need that, nothing concrete
2. 00:25:282 (1) - I suggested this to Irre too, but unused slider ends are quite noisy if people don't use default hitsounds (and chances are high they won't) so better actually silence them even if they are not audible with default ones
3. 00:36:191 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - kinda hard to read this as 1/3 when they are identical in visual spacing to 00:34:243 (5,6,7,8,1) - , not to mention the jump between 3-4. I don't have a specific fix, but you can probably come up with something inherent with your style here
4. 00:47:684 (3) - well, this feels a bit inconsistent with 00:46:905 (3) - , since they are the same rhythm on vocals (just different lyric). I would rather convert 00:46:905 (3) - into a couple of circles here, since converting the other object into a slider sounds kinda bad // 02:01:710 (3,3) - same
5. 01:20:801 (6,7,8) - the rather wide angle on 7 makes it a bit lacking emphasis imo. Maybe try using a sharper angle?
6. 02:45:347 (5,1) - the section after the break time presents these rather large jumps, which imo don't fit that well with the calmer atmosphere here. It would be nice to have them a bit toned down imo. You even start doing smaller jumps from 02:46:320 - so there isn't a lot to be changed

1. 00:14:761 (2) - imo this would be nicer as a circle only. I know you focused on vocals, but the strong drum at 00:14:566 - 00:14:761 - are quite dominant imo
2. 01:20:996 (6,7) - these two last notes feel different from the other stacks so maybe use a slider instead ?.?

1. 02:48:658 (1,2,3,4,5) - kinda harsh for a non-kiai part imo. Maybe try to remove some beat in there?

MrSergio wrote:

old m4m

Insane:

1. 00:05:411 (3,4,5,6) - highly personal but I feel like these would look better as 1/4 sliders with silenced slider tail, like you did for 00:03:853 (2,3) - . It's that strange sound that makes me think they need that, nothing concrete The 1/4 sliders are for much intenser wub sounds
2. 00:25:282 (1) - I suggested this to Irre too, but unused slider ends are quite noisy if people don't use default hitsounds (and chances are high they won't) so better actually silence them even if they are not audible with default ones
3. 00:36:191 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - kinda hard to read this as 1/3 when they are identical in visual spacing to 00:34:243 (5,6,7,8,1) - , not to mention the jump between 3-4. I don't have a specific fix, but you can probably come up with something inherent with your style here its not hard to raed at all also the jump between 3 and 4 helps the player to realize that this is actually 1/3
4. 00:47:684 (3) - well, this feels a bit inconsistent with 00:46:905 (3) - , since they are the same rhythm on vocals (just different lyric). I would rather convert 00:46:905 (3) - into a couple of circles here, since converting the other object into a slider sounds kinda bad // 02:01:710 (3,3) - same This is intentional since from 00:47:878 - i start to follow the hi hats to represent the build up more properly
5. 01:20:801 (6,7,8) - the rather wide angle on 7 makes it a bit lacking emphasis imo. Maybe try using a sharper angle?
6. 02:45:347 (5,1) - the section after the break time presents these rather large jumps, which imo don't fit that well with the calmer atmosphere here. It would be nice to have them a bit toned down imo. You even start doing smaller jumps from 02:46:320 - so there isn't a lot to be changed its not that big if you pay more attention to it also in case of 02:45:346 (5,1) - the vocals are stronger than earlier in the section

Hard:

1. 00:14:761 (2) - imo this would be nicer as a circle only. I know you focused on vocals, but the strong drum at 00:14:566 - 00:14:761 - are quite dominant imo Yea the drums are dominant but i still wanna stick to vocals
2. 01:20:996 (6,7) - these two last notes feel different from the other stacks so maybe use a slider instead ?.? Uh they are not different (?)

Normal:

1. 02:48:658 (1,2,3,4,5) - kinda harsh for a non-kiai part imo. Maybe try to remove some beat in there?

~

MrSergio wrote:

old m4m

Irre:

1. 00:12:229 (5) - idk if you considered this already but the vocals here are pretty strong and I believe this slider doesn't make them justice. Something like this or similar ones are not a good idea? hm.. the echoy effect calls for a slow slider if you ask me, added nc tho
2. 00:12:813 (2,3,4) - this combo feels kinda messy, unlike the rest of the patterns around it. Maybe try to respect DS or stack 3 on top of 4? yea
3. 00:54:696 (2,3,1) - would be cool to manually stack these since they form an ugly overlap: https://i.imgur.com/U8VCIeO.png // 02:09:501 (2,3,1) - same yea
4. 01:27:618 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1) - this is highly personal, but having perpendicular lines being the main characteristic of a pattern is kinda awkward on this map, since so far everything was either curved (00:26:839 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 00:15:540 (1,2,1) - ), parallel (00:22:943 (1,2) - 00:31:904 (1,2,3,4) - ) or incidental (00:22:164 (1,2,1,2) - 00:49:436 (1,2,1,2) - 00:56:449 (1,2,1,2) - ). Adding one more concept there feels kinda out of place and a bit inconsistent with the rest :/ ahh, i see your concern but honestly, i feel like this song offers so many different kind of vocal situations, perpendicular just fits here imo
   Maybe it is possible to curve those sliders or to change their angle a bit, idk... This is a really general point so I can't make a specific suggestion here. Up to you if you want to do anything
5. 01:42:423 (7) - pretty sure vocals suggest to end it with the first repeat alone x). It also makes you catch the beat on drums at 01:43:008 - if you remove a repeat from that slider, which is good to express better the whole song imo yea
6. 02:46:904 (1,2) - this small spacing out of nowhere feels a bit inconsistent too. Either make it slightly bigger or reduce 02:44:761 (1,2,3) - and similar ones (although this second option doesn't sound so great tbh) yea
7. 02:54:112 (1,2,1,2) - hope you don't mind if I steal this for some of my maps haha dont forget the credit
8. 02:57:813 (1) - well, I just realized since I am using the default, but unused slider ends sound better in general (say, someone playing with ping pong sounds will hear that as a strong beat anyway) so I suggest to silence all the unused ones if you can yes
9. 03:20:995 (1,2,3) - again personal interpretation, but if you change 2 into a circle and stack 3 under it like this
   it makes a better effect of the echo imo yea

~

1. 02:20:216 (1) -02:22:943 (1) - 03:09:696 (1) - 03:12:813 (1) - I'd probably avoid these new combos as they seem overused.

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20:34 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1273195 MONSTA X - Beautiful [Normal]]
20:34 Bakari: 00:11:256 (1,2) - ;et's merge them into a 3/2 thing?
20:34 Bakari: it doesn't really work as two 1/1 sliders because the sounds are too dense and we can't bring out specific 1/1 beats
20:35 Bakari: so, we just throw everything and cover with a 3/2 slider
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20:36 DeRandom Otaku: ok i did 3/2 and it kind sounds less drastic to me for some reason
20:37 DeRandom Otaku: can u like give me a screen shot of a rhythm thats on your mind?
20:38 Bakari: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9141080
20:39 DeRandom Otaku: did
20:40 Bakari: 00:54:308 (2,3) - these are here for the vocals, right?
20:41 DeRandom Otaku: yep
20:42 Bakari: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9141103 wouldn't this rhthm work better in this case?
20:42 Bakari: it kind of separates the two parts of the vocals, which seems to make more sense
20:45 DeRandom Otaku: i guess i will have to keep mine here since the gap at 00:54:891 -
20:45 DeRandom Otaku: sounds kind of weird to me
20:46 Bakari: 00:54:891 - it kinda is there even with your rhythm though
20:46 DeRandom Otaku: i know but still sliderslider>nothing right?
20:47 Bakari: there's the sliderslide effect
20:47 Bakari: the difference is how you ignore the beat, while either holding a slider or not holding it :p
20:48 DeRandom Otaku: oh well
20:48 DeRandom Otaku: i guess you got the point
20:48 DeRandom Otaku: i fixed it according to your suggestion
20:48 Bakari: can we discuss 01:10:476 (5) - this slider and 01:13:593 (5) - a similar one here?
20:49 Bakari: don't they begin on one sentence, and end on something entirely different?
20:50 DeRandom Otaku: ye right
20:50 Bakari: as in, splitting them would be a better idea, so that 01:14:177 - the word "to" is mapped
20:50 DeRandom Otaku: so what are you trying to imply exactly?
20:50 Bakari: 01:11:060 - same here, I've no idea about the lyrics, but isn't it too strong to have just a slidertail?
20:50 DeRandom Otaku: dont you think that would make the 01:12:035 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - part a bit too dense?
20:51 Bakari: depends on what you do with the slider
20:51 Bakari: I'd just go with two circles
20:51 Bakari: there are some 3/2 gaps, so it's not too sudden or unreasonably hard
20:51 DeRandom Otaku: ok that sounds cool, gonna do that
20:51 Bakari: + it makes players listen to the song more attentively
20:53 Bakari: 01:36:970 (1) - the reverse arrow seems to be snapped quite randomly, to be honest
20:53 Bakari: or am I missing something? what did you snap it to? i don't really hear anything there, so I'm really confused
20:54 DeRandom Otaku: ya this is like the part when i go with the drums in all difficulties
20:54 DeRandom Otaku: so its not random
20:55 DeRandom Otaku: because imo the drums play a really drastic role here
20:55 Bakari: 01:38:527 (3) - try a 1/1 slider here instead, then?
20:55 DeRandom Otaku: and they stand out to me more than vocals
20:55 Bakari: just add a reverse to it
20:56 Bakari: there's that drumroll thing, and it has a beat on 01:38:917 -
20:56 DeRandom Otaku: 01:38:722 - 01:38:917 - 01:39:112 - all these kicks are pretty much the same so i guess slider slider for all is fine
20:56 DeRandom Otaku: ya thats right
20:56 DeRandom Otaku: OHHHHH
20:56 DeRandom Otaku: ok gonna fix this too lol
20:57 Bakari: so you do hear the beat there?
20:57 DeRandom Otaku: 01:39:307 - i did circl here instead
20:57 DeRandom Otaku: Yea i do
20:57 DeRandom Otaku: thats for opening my ears :^)
20:57 Bakari: o
20:57 DeRandom Otaku: thanks*
20:57 Bakari: a circle is fine too
20:57 DeRandom Otaku: holy i cant english
20:58 Bakari: dw, i can't modding
20:58 Bakari: and yet here we are
20:58 Bakari: speaking english, doing mods
20:58 Bakari: 01:48:658 (4) - let's use the same arc-shape that was used for 1-2-3?
20:58 DeRandom Otaku: also before you mention i already fixed the rhythm for 02:08:333 - in second and third kiai too
20:58 DeRandom Otaku: and ya irk
20:58 Bakari: it kinda represents the same sounds and rhythm
20:59 DeRandom Otaku: oh there, i did the same thing as 01:42:424 (4) - here too
20:59 DeRandom Otaku: because well you know the 1/2 sounds start playing in the background
21:00 DeRandom Otaku: which could have a bit more emphasis by having a slightly different slder shape for them
21:00 Bakari: oh okay then
21:01 Bakari: 02:43:983 (3) - again, splitting the slider would highlight both 02:44:371 - and 02:44:761 -
21:02 Bakari: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9141257 like this, perhaps?
21:03 DeRandom Otaku: i dont really wanna have stuff like two sliders in a row 1/2 ones
21:03 DeRandom Otaku: i was tryin to go for a simpler rhythm her
21:03 DeRandom Otaku: because the song is calm
21:03 Bakari: then just two circles or a circle and 1/2 slider
21:03 Bakari: anything that'd keep the stuff on the screenshot clickable
21:04 Bakari: actually it can be simplified even to https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/2g5Ej38w.jpg
21:04 DeRandom Otaku: ok did smething
21:05 DeRandom Otaku: eh i already did something else which works too so ya
21:05 Bakari: as long as it works we are cool, ye
21:05 Bakari: mkay
21:05 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1249464 MONSTA X - Beautiful [Hard]]
21:06 DeRandom Otaku: ok i am just gonna make the stuff consistent over kiais that i fixed in first one
21:07 Bakari: okay so
21:08 Bakari: why is this 00:00:736 (2) - tail muted, but just about every other 1/1 slider in the intro has something audible on the tail
21:08 Bakari: 00:01:515 (1) - 00:04:632 (1) -
21:10 DeRandom Otaku: since its just the very first part of the intro , the tail sounded quite loud
21:10 DeRandom Otaku: i raised the volume from 5 to 20
21:10 DeRandom Otaku: its audible now
21:10 Bakari: 00:13:787 - so, you have a circle here, yet just a slidertail for 00:13:592 -
21:11 Bakari: when you compare these two, it's quite clear that a stronger beat on 00:13:592 - is emphasized less
21:11 DeRandom Otaku: 00:13:787 - is a vocal and i prioritize vocals hardcore
21:11 DeRandom Otaku: 00:13:592 - iknow this snare is loud as hell but its no vocal so ya
21:12 Bakari: there's some echo from the vocals, though
21:12 Bakari: at least i hear something like "wow" there
21:12 DeRandom Otaku: they are hardly notieable
21:13 DeRandom Otaku: well u kno what ur point did make sense to me so i already made that clickable xd
21:13 Bakari: 00:16:515 (2,3) - i was just about to bring up this as one more reason to change the previous pattern
21:14 DeRandom Otaku: xd
21:14 DeRandom Otaku: well no need anymore
21:15 Bakari: 00:38:722 - is it intentional that you kinda map to the drums and ignore the vocals here?
21:16 DeRandom Otaku: nope , fixed
21:17 Bakari: and 00:41:645 (2) - this one?
21:17 Bakari: 00:43:204 (2) - they kinda shift the rhythm towards drums
21:17 DeRandom Otaku: oh my god i am so stupid af
21:19 DeRandom Otaku: fixed them all, gonna fix in second part too
21:19 Bakari: do i get an extra cookie for mentioning this? :v
21:20 DeRandom Otaku: you get 2
21:22 Bakari: o cool!
21:26 Bakari: 03:19:827 (1,2) - let's move them up, so there's a nice triangle of [https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/WjEK8E9i.jpg 3-4-1]
21:27 DeRandom Otaku: its a triangle now but i didnt move 1,2
21:27 DeRandom Otaku: i moved 3,4 instead
21:28 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1247358 MONSTA X - Beautiful [Insane]]
21:28 Bakari: 00:00:736 (2) - volume
21:29 DeRandom Otaku: fix 1
21:30 Bakari: 00:22:554 (3,4) - can you explain what do we follow with this jump?
21:31 Bakari: I'd assume it was meant to highlight the clap, but the clap is on (5)
21:31 DeRandom Otaku: vocals ofcourse
21:31 DeRandom Otaku: the spacing b/w 3/4 might be a bit high buts its just for aesthetics
21:32 Bakari: and is this really readable? you kinda switch to the drums in the next pattern, 00:24:113 (3,4) - here, so it can be a bit confusing
21:34 DeRandom Otaku: well it is, its an insane difficulty which has a kind of gimmicky feel in kiais with that low sv concepts
21:34 DeRandom Otaku: changing instrument now and then gives a player an idea about what to expect later on in the map
21:34 DeRandom Otaku: also 00:23:722 - this part heavily relies on drums so yeah
21:34 Bakari: 00:36:580 (4,5,6) - also, can we increase the ds for this part here? the song implies some progression, so that'd work
21:35 DeRandom Otaku: sure
21:36 Bakari: 00:39:113 (1,2) - 00:40:866 (1,2) - do i get an extra cookie for being nazi about inconsistent spacing?
21:36 Bakari: 00:42:230 (1,2) - ^
21:36 Bakari: if we decrease the DS for these
21:36 Bakari: we can use smaller spacing for 00:43:982 (1,2) - these as well, and gradually increase it more and more 00:44:762 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - here
21:37 Bakari: so we'd go from smaller jumps to insane stuff
21:37 DeRandom Otaku: teh spacing is almost same visually, because in first and third case, players can abuse slider laniency
21:37 DeRandom Otaku: but since 00:41:645 (2) - was too close, i will give it a bit mroe spacing
21:39 Bakari: 01:06:775 (5) - hey, we can increase the ds here to highliht it better
21:39 DeRandom Otaku: 00:43:982 - for this part, the intensity stays same till 00:46:514 -
21:39 DeRandom Otaku: and then afterwards , the circle usage is increased to represent buildup
21:39 DeRandom Otaku: sure increased that spacing
21:47 Bakari: and that's about it
21:47 Bakari: remap irre's thing and I'll qualify
21:47 DeRandom Otaku: hl oy
21:47 DeRandom Otaku: he took like 2-3 months just to map before
21:47 DeRandom Otaku: i dopnt wanna wait another 2-3 months now
21:48 Bakari: you mean i actually have to mod it right now?
21:48 Bakari: damn
21:48 Bakari: i knew that the remap thing wouldn't work
21:48 DeRandom Otaku: yea i m sorry :c
21:49 DeRandom Otaku: i know its time consuming but i dont want you to stop loving me for that
22:05 Bakari: o rite
22:05 Bakari: add Ren to the tags