14:31 Neptune: hey you! :3
14:31 Neptune: could you test my new map?
14:31 Neptune: it's finished
14:32 Shikinotsu: I can
14:32 Shikinotsu: Gimme it
14:33 *Neptune is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1368395 TERRA - EDEN]
14:37 Shikinotsu: it plays ok
14:37 Neptune: nice play yeah :3
14:37 Neptune: anything you thought like
14:37 Neptune: ''ok that should go''
14:37 Shikinotsu: Yeah
14:38 Shikinotsu: gimme a sec
14:38 Neptune: i'm really trying to follow player perspective on this one
14:38 Shikinotsu: The note placement felt really random tho
14:38 Shikinotsu: I think it's because you lack aesthetics for the moment
14:38 Shikinotsu: The beginning is really fine
14:39 Shikinotsu: 00:31:195 (1) -
14:39 Neptune: yeah i agree though
14:39 Neptune: it doesnt look as pretty throughout the entire thing
14:39 Shikinotsu: This was the first thing that seemed strange to me
14:39 Shikinotsu: I didn't understood what sound this was representing
14:39 Neptune: haha in my head it was kinda like
14:39 Neptune: representing the way she pronounces that part
14:40 Neptune: with the cut offs
14:40 Neptune: probably makes no sense to anyone other than me lmao
14:40 Shikinotsu: Put the song at 25 %
14:40 Shikinotsu: There's no sound at the red tick
14:40 Shikinotsu: But yeah, that the first thing that soudned weird tro me
14:40 Shikinotsu: So
14:41 Shikinotsu: About aesthetics
14:41 Neptune: it's it guitar on the red tick?
14:41 Shikinotsu: Ok i understood why it was strange
14:41 Shikinotsu: 00:30:295 (1,2) -
14:41 Shikinotsu: Listen at the very start of these sliders
14:41 Shikinotsu: The 1
14:42 Shikinotsu: Is a "boom"
14:42 Shikinotsu: Idk the instrument name
14:42 Neptune: ahh
14:42 Shikinotsu: And the start of the 2 is a "tchak"
14:42 Neptune: better represented by a circle
14:42 Neptune: drums probably
14:42 Neptune: and electrical guitar would be the tchak
14:42 Neptune: is my gfuess
14:42 Shikinotsu: That's why I think it sounds weird to me
14:42 Shikinotsu: Because afterwards the slider & circle doesn't follow this rule
14:43 Shikinotsu: 00:31:645 (2,4,1) -
14:43 Shikinotsu: You could align the slider with the circle
14:43 Neptune: haha i have an old mapper heart
14:43 Neptune: i sometimes work around vocals
14:43 Neptune: and neglecting instruments
14:43 Neptune: like in four seasons of loneliness there's tons of that
14:43 Neptune: you're absolutely right
14:44 Shikinotsu: But it wasn't obvious to me as I played it
14:44 Neptune: what would be your advice for that part
14:44 Neptune: remove the reverses?
14:44 Shikinotsu: The 00:31:645 (2,4,1) -
14:44 Shikinotsu: ?
14:45 Neptune: yeah
14:45 Neptune: i repeat that 3 times
14:45 Shikinotsu: nah
14:45 Shikinotsu: just
14:46 Shikinotsu: 00:35:545 (2,4) - Why aren't these stacked ? :p
14:46 Shikinotsu: Or is that intentionnal
14:46 Neptune: oops
14:46 Neptune: haha
14:46 Neptune: hmm
14:46 Shikinotsu:
https://puu.sh/x0vQl/9cf69ba168.png14:46 Neptune: i dont think i put much thought behind it
14:47 Neptune: they probably didn't ''click'' into eachother (so mb) when i mapped them haha
14:48 Shikinotsu: 00:41:095 (1) -
14:48 Shikinotsu: I think you should rotate this slider
14:48 Neptune: ctrl+h or ctrl+g?
14:48 Shikinotsu: Ctrl r
14:49 Shikinotsu: and -40
14:49 Shikinotsu: for example
14:49 Shikinotsu: Because the end of the slider lead the player to think the next note is upward
14:49 Shikinotsu: but it's not
14:50 Shikinotsu: 00:42:295 (1,2,1,2,1,2) -
14:50 Shikinotsu: This part is really strange
14:50 Shikinotsu: The pattern look the same
14:50 Shikinotsu: A straight slider with a circle
14:50 Shikinotsu: But each one is different
14:51 Shikinotsu: The first one has the circle in the opposite direction of the slider
14:51 Shikinotsu: And the second has it in the same direction
14:51 Shikinotsu: And the third one has it in a completly different direction
14:51 Shikinotsu: Maybe define one rule, and apply it to each of these pattern
14:52 Neptune: ahhh yeah
14:52 Neptune: didn't expect that pattern to be troublesome
14:52 Neptune: it makes sense though
14:52 Neptune: what you're saying
14:52 Neptune: i think i kinda intended to like
14:52 Neptune: play with the way she pronnounced the words
14:52 Neptune: in that verse
14:52 Neptune: the syllables
14:53 Shikinotsu: That didn't appear to me as i played it
14:53 Neptune: she kinda ''cuts'' the words (if that's the right way to put it)
14:53 Neptune: and i extend that into a jump pattern
14:53 Neptune: but i think you mean it doesnt flow well into the jump pattern
14:53 Neptune: or well enough?
14:53 Shikinotsu: The jump pattern didn't bothered me as i played it
14:53 Shikinotsu: So it's okay
14:54 Shikinotsu: Maybe what you could've done to prepare the player to the jump pattern
14:54 Shikinotsu: Is space the circle with the slider more at each new pattern
14:54 Shikinotsu: So the player new a sort of "climax" is coming
14:54 Shikinotsu: know*
14:54 Neptune: oh yes i agree
14:54 Shikinotsu: And then the jump pattern will feel better
14:54 Neptune: the song also goes like that
14:55 Neptune: builds up into a climax
14:55 Shikinotsu: It also works because the volume of her voice is increasing
14:55 Shikinotsu: In these patterns
14:55 Neptune: 00:54:745 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) -
14:55 Neptune: like here
14:55 Shikinotsu: or he pitch
14:55 Neptune: here's a nice way how she builds up the intensity with the song
14:55 Neptune: i will defenitely change what you said
14:55 Neptune: gradually increase in spacing
14:55 Neptune: that would flow really nicely i assume
14:55 Shikinotsu: 00:45:145 (2,3) - I think you should swap these two circles
14:56 Shikinotsu: It flow better, and it doesn't break the things around it
14:56 Neptune: ctrl g on those?
14:56 Shikinotsu: Yup
14:56 Neptune: hmm
14:56 Neptune: it's just a question
14:56 Neptune: but
14:56 Neptune: isn't it bad that it would like
14:57 Neptune: change the spacing
14:57 Neptune: i generally try to strive for
14:57 Shikinotsu: (Keep in mind all of these are only my opinions)
14:57 Neptune: 1,5x for red ticks
14:57 Neptune: 2.0x for white ticks
14:57 Neptune: it would make the stack 2.0x away as a red tick i think
14:57 Neptune: maybe rotate the stack+slider then?
14:57 Neptune: not sure
14:57 Neptune: i like the input though
14:58 Shikinotsu: This flow strangely
14:58 Neptune: it makes me consider things i didnt before
14:58 Shikinotsu: the slider make me think the next not will be right
14:58 Shikinotsu: But then it's left
14:58 Shikinotsu: So, i don't know
14:58 Shikinotsu: 00:51:895 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - You did the same thing again
14:59 Shikinotsu: I think you intended something with the slider + circle pattern
14:59 Neptune: haha yeah
14:59 Neptune: but as i mapped it
14:59 Neptune: i thought the cross jump
14:59 Neptune: worked really well for the vocals
14:59 Neptune: i tried to make a similiar jump for it
14:59 Neptune: but i stuck with the cross one
14:59 Neptune: maybe i should cross the sliders too?
14:59 Neptune: :thinking:
15:00 Neptune: it's just rough draft
15:00 Shikinotsu: I don't understand what you mean tho
15:00 Neptune: maybe something like this?
15:00 Shikinotsu: :l
15:00 Neptune:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/875177415:00 Shikinotsu: Oh yeah, this could work
15:00 Neptune: 00:53:095 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
15:00 Neptune: these are like
15:00 Neptune: X X X
15:01 Neptune: so i prepare with the sliders
15:01 Neptune: in a way?
15:01 Shikinotsu: Yes
15:01 Shikinotsu: It can work
15:01 Shikinotsu: Great idea
15:01 *Neptune highfives you
15:01 Neptune: awesome
15:02 Shikinotsu: Here's a small detail that can make a huge difference
15:02 Shikinotsu: 00:59:095 (1,2,3) -
15:02 Shikinotsu: Line up these slider
15:03 Shikinotsu: It could play very well, but because these are not line, this pattern doesn't play and look great
15:03 Shikinotsu: lined up*
15:04 Neptune: should i stack
15:04 Neptune: (3)
15:04 Neptune: into the slider of (1)?:
15:04 Neptune: like so?
15:04 Shikinotsu: I don't think
15:04 Neptune:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/875179615:04 Shikinotsu: It will be harder to read
15:04 Neptune: or would that be too confusing
15:04 Shikinotsu: Just line them up
15:04 Neptune: yeah
15:04 Neptune: how would you fix that?
15:04 Shikinotsu: Your map don't have any overlap element
15:04 Shikinotsu: So it would be confusing to add one randomly
15:05 Shikinotsu: As it was before
15:05 Neptune: ahhh
15:05 Shikinotsu: Slitghly to the right of the (1)
15:05 Shikinotsu: Just make the (2) slider follow the same direction as (1) and (3)
15:05 Shikinotsu: 01:14:695 (1,2) - Line these slider too
15:07 Neptune: you mean
15:07 Neptune: make them all play upwards?
15:07 Shikinotsu: No
15:07 Shikinotsu: try to overlap them
15:07 Shikinotsu: You'll see they aren't the same slider
15:07 Neptune:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/875182015:07 Neptune: or like so?
15:07 Shikinotsu: Jsut wait a second
15:08 Neptune: haha sorry im trying my best to replicate what you mean
15:08 Neptune: not really managing i think xD
15:08 Shikinotsu: No problem
15:08 Shikinotsu:
https://puu.sh/x0wyI/1c4fbb888d.png15:08 Shikinotsu: These slider are not the same
15:08 Shikinotsu: When i overlap them, you can see they does not overlap perfectly with each other
15:09 Neptune:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/875183715:09 Neptune: how about this?
15:09 Shikinotsu: The pattern was fine
15:21 Shikinotsu: Hey
15:21 Shikinotsu: Sry internet crashed
15:21 Neptune: haha no problem :3
15:22 Shikinotsu:
https://puu.sh/x0x0N/91d7bc9de5.png15:22 Shikinotsu: For the pattern we were talkign about
15:22 Shikinotsu: that's what i meant
15:22 Shikinotsu: The same pattern
15:22 Shikinotsu: Just with the '2) linedu p with the others
15:23 Shikinotsu: v01:34:945 (4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - The spacing here is strange
15:23 Shikinotsu: I think i udnerstood
15:24 Shikinotsu: You should start to decrease the spacing around here 01:34:945 (4,1,2) -
15:24 Neptune: i think i get your vibe now
15:24 Neptune:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/875196815:24 Neptune: would that work?
15:25 Shikinotsu: Mhh
15:25 Shikinotsu: yes
15:26 Neptune: yay :3
15:26 Neptune: alright
15:27 Neptune: yeah i liked the pattern you just pointed out
15:27 Neptune: it came to be randomly and i stuck with it
15:27 Neptune: so i should
15:27 Neptune: move 01:35:095 (1,2,3,4) -
15:27 Neptune: closer to
15:27 Neptune: 01:34:945 (4) -
15:27 Neptune: ?
15:27 Shikinotsu: 01:46:045 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why is the pattern different from 01:07:645 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) -
15:27 Shikinotsu: And for your question
15:27 Shikinotsu: The pattern is okay
15:27 Shikinotsu: But the spacing is weird
15:27 Neptune: oh for versatility
15:27 Shikinotsu: The 01:35:695 (1,2,3,4) - is descreasing in spacing
15:27 Neptune: else it would be too copy pasta
15:28 Shikinotsu: Alright
15:28 Neptune: i swapped around the spaced stream for 3 kicksliders
15:28 Shikinotsu: So
15:28 Shikinotsu: the 01:35:695 (1,2,3,4) - is descrasign in spacing
15:28 Shikinotsu: where 01:35:095 (1,2,3,4) - has no defined one
15:29 Shikinotsu: /log
15:39 Shikinotsu: Sorry
15:39 Shikinotsu: Internet crash again
15:40 Shikinotsu: I don't see anything else that seems weird to me
15:40 Neptune: poor you
15:40 Neptune: must be super frustrating
15:40 Shikinotsu: :/
15:40 Shikinotsu: you have no idea
15:41 Shikinotsu: This took a while, so i'm probably gonna post this on the forum
15:41 Neptune: alright :3 i took notes and i'll look into your suggestions more in-depth after a little break
15:41 Shikinotsu: If that doesn't bother you
