TheOnlyLeon wrote:

Hey from my queue.

Pretty surface level mod, but a few things caught my attention while skimming.

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00:58:941 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - This seems off, you're definitely mapping to the synth, but if you listen at any speed above 25%, you're completely ignoring the change in rhythm in the middle of the pattern, which to me is the most dominant sound in this pattern, I'd rather see you follow the strong rhythm here.Whether the drums or the synth is more prominent than the other is debatable, but I definitely think emphasizing the synth growth through these sliders is more engaging and interesting.


02:00:576 (1) - Why no spacing jump here? you've been making a slight jump at every bass hit before, why is this one completely flat?
this is flat here because I wanted this stream to be continuous to represent a certain change of frequency (as in literally how often, not pitch) of a sound. in the previous parts before this, that sound has a 1/4 frequency which ramps up to 1/8 at 02:00:031 (1) - , which i want to literally be one continuously connected stream from here on out


04:47:210 (1) - ^^^^^^
for this pattern, the purpose of the jumpstream was to distinctively mark 4 note patterns that seemed to repeat yet swell. however, as soon as 04:46:937 (1) - hits, i interpreted this as being the pinnacle and the rest continuous like this.

04:50:208 (1) - I don't like the stacking on this slider here, it's very easy to miss the circle between the slider end and slider head here. For the sake of not having stupid reading misses at the very end of a very difficult map, Just shift this slider down a little to show the circle better.
i agree that reading this is a bit stupid so I'll see what I can change.

Honestly, I thought I would have a lot more problems than I did, the only thing I thought of but didn't really mention is that the intensity at the start of the map feels like it jumps around without much reason, but again I was just skimming.


Otherwise the problems that I came up with on the spot worked better than I expected upon closer review of how the functioned, so the map is actually pretty good from an overall standpoint. it might not be rank-able right now, but it's good enough you shouldn't need a remap to reach it, so GL with the set.

Celektus wrote:

if you fix some of my suggestions I guess I might shoot some more stars to get this going a bit faster. You should ask a really knowledgeable BN before that tho so he might be able to get in some final polish.

1. 00:25:123 - There's a green line and a red line here at the same time. This usually isn't an issue, but you're using different hitsound sets and volumes between them. idk if this is unrankable, but I believe it sometimes causes osu! to get confused during gameplay.
2. 02:37:121 - Same here, although it's just a hitsound volume difference
   
3. 00:27:782 - There's a clear sound being ignored here. I can think of something like this to represent the sound without breaking too much of your structure.
4. 00:32:145 - Same here, although this time it's easier to just stack a note on top of the 3/4 slider and it should flow well.
5. 00:36:577 (1) - ^
6. 00:40:941 (1) - asdasd idk how to do it here
7. 00:42:577 (1) - this one is more obvious, really recommend even stacking a note on top of this slider to break flow as well
8. 01:01:668 (3) - i'd probably shorten this by 1/4 and make the white tick clickable, it's a really strong beat
9. 01:17:077 (2,3) - doesn't seem like the spacing emphasis is too intuitive here, i'd probably have (2) be around x492 y160 and (3) around x477 y360 so it's clear what's 1/4 and what's 1/2 while emphasizing (3)'s strong sound properly
10. 01:17:623 (4) - ^, imo just move (4) to x32 y132 and it should work
11. 01:44:759 (1) - i think this slider could emphasize this sound better, maybe make it all wobbly or just make a 1/3 stream, the mapping style until now was making clear that every sound is emphasized properly so it felt a bit weird to see this slider ignore the 1/3s
12. 03:42:166 (2) - IMO this works better as a 1/4 slider because of the sound at the blue tick
13. 04:04:121 (1) - this slider should be 1/3 with a repeat, listen to the song in 25%
14. 04:22:121 (1) - ^ even though here I think it'd work better if you did something like 01:57:850 (1,2,3) -
15. 05:11:484 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this kind of pattern usually causes a lot of notelocking so i'm a bit against it

Zexous wrote:

Celektus wrote:

if you fix some of my suggestions I guess I might shoot some more stars to get this going a bit faster. You should ask a really knowledgeable BN before that tho so he might be able to get in some final polish.

lol at +108 the SP isn't really what's holding anything back

will mod this probably in a few days I'm just posting because I really wanted to say, everytime I see your BG I think this is some kind of happy sea lion


xd

Mismagius wrote:

[SPEKTRE]

1. 00:25:123 - There's a green line and a red line here at the same time. This usually isn't an issue, but you're using different hitsound sets and volumes between them. idk if this is unrankable, but I believe it sometimes causes osu! to get confused during gameplay. ooh im gonna make them match, never considered that.
2. 02:37:121 - Same here, although it's just a hitsound volume difference got it
   
3. 00:27:782 - There's a clear sound being ignored here. I can think of something like this to represent the sound without breaking too much of your structure. yup, all the triples that are right before the distorted snare i ignored on all occasions because i thought that would water down the impact of said snare during gameplay. if i ever do decide to incorporate these triples, i will definitely refer to your tips when remapping.
4. 00:32:145 - Same here, although this time it's easier to just stack a note on top of the 3/4 slider and it should flow well.
5. 00:36:577 (1) - ^
6. 00:40:941 (1) - asdasd idk how to do it here
7. 00:42:577 (1) - this one is more obvious, really recommend even stacking a note on top of this slider to break flow as well
8. 01:01:668 (3) - i'd probably shorten this by 1/4 and make the white tick clickable, it's a really strong beat i know its a strong beat but this whole phrase i decided to put the drum beats on the tails for click emphasis on the wubs or whatever those screechy things are
9. 01:17:077 (2,3) - doesn't seem like the spacing emphasis is too intuitive here, i'd probably have (2) be around x492 y160 and (3) around x477 y360 so it's clear what's 1/4 and what's 1/2 while emphasizing (3)'s strong sound properly i will consider this, but while mapping this i really abused slider leniency, especially with 1/4s and stuff. (pretend that the kick before is literally just a hitcircle)
10. 01:17:623 (4) - ^, imo just move (4) to x32 y132 and it should work mapping with similar idea as before, but i will definitely do this if i decide to not abuse slider leniency as much.
11. 01:44:759 (1) - i think this slider could emphasize this sound better, maybe make it all wobbly or just make a 1/3 stream, the mapping style until now was making clear that every sound is emphasized properly so it felt a bit weird to see this slider ignore the 1/3s musically, this slider represents that first "wew" sound and is straightforward, hence the curve. the reason i made it 1/1 and not streamy is because stylistically and gameplay-wise, this is a tiny break coming from the jumps (cause going from 1/4 jumps to 1/3 is a pain in the ass)
12. 03:42:166 (2) - IMO this works better as a 1/4 slider because of the sound at the blue tick i cheated the rhythm a bit, but this slider is supposed to represent the screech sound that actually occurs on the blue tick (hence whistle), and i think it is ok like this, but just boarderline ok. actually ive never noticed this til now so i will definitely give it more thought.
13. 04:04:121 (1) - this slider should be 1/3 with a repeat, listen to the song in 25% there is definitely repeated 1/3s across all of 04:03:302 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - but i wanted to map the snares and drums here, and here, 04:04:121 (1) - would be like the big kick.
14. 04:22:121 (1) - ^ even though here I think it'd work better if you did something like 01:57:850 (1,2,3) - will definitely consider but i really dont want to go from 1/2s to 1/3s without a slider buffer, and the previous jumps i really want clicked.
15. 05:11:484 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this kind of pattern usually causes a lot of notelocking so i'm a bit against it hehehehehehehehehe. i will see if theres anything else i can do, but i sorta like this ;w;w;

technical mapping really is out of my comfort zone so i may not be the best person to mod this kind of map, but hey here you go, cool map

1. Your hitsounds seem really quiet to me, I can barely ever hear anything except for the normal-hitwhistle, maybe raise volume?
2. 01:01:668 (3) - This sliderend is on a really prominent note, and the sound it's mapped to is the same as the ones before it, so why not make this a 3/4 slider as well, and map an actual circle on 01:01:941 - ? As it is, it's really offputting that there isn't an active object to play there.
3. 02:02:213 (1) - The self-blanket on the end of this slider needs some work http://puu.sh/wOTyu/b2ff81fa10.jpg I didn't really bother with aesthetics modding anywhere else, but since this is a really slow section that imperfect slider will be noticeable for a long time lol
4. 02:37:121 - I know I already mentioned hitsounds, but man, this part especially needs louder hitsounds, it would sound so cool on the kicks
5. 03:12:302 - Why not map this kiai more like 04:39:575 - ? I guess you might've been wanting to make the last kiai seem even more epic, but frankly, the constant 1/2 in this kiai was REALLY underwhelming. Also, while it's understandable that you didn't use them because it might spam the section, some whistles might be nice.
6. 03:29:757 - I really did not like these patterns, I feel like they don't play that well and aren't very fun when you use so many like that. Same goes for all other instances of these. Some of them are better than others, i.e. 03:31:939 (1,2,1) - this pattern is better than 03:29:757 (1,2,1) - this one because the second one is directly counter-flow, whereas the first one has at least a somewhat closer angle. I think there are better ways to map these.
7. 03:31:530 (2,3,1) - You used this spacing for 1/3, so it might potentially be confusing, same with 03:40:257 (2,3,1) -
8. 04:18:439 (3,4,1) - Really awkward movement here in this pattern

SPOILER

never forget happy sea lion

Zexous wrote:

M4M p/6140138

[SPEKTRE]

1. Your hitsounds seem really quiet to me, I can barely ever hear anything except for the normal-hitwhistle, maybe raise volume? k, gonna raise volume by 10% overall except for that one natural drum part where i do 20%
2. 01:01:668 (3) - This sliderend is on a really prominent note, and the sound it's mapped to is the same as the ones before it, so why not make this a 3/4 slider as well, and map an actual circle on 01:01:941 - ? As it is, it's really offputting that there isn't an active object to play there. it may not be appealing but for this one section, i put all the major drum beats on slider tails for the sole purpose of making sure that the only clicks are wubs and not drums.
3. 02:02:213 (1) - The self-blanket on the end of this slider needs some work http://puu.sh/wOTyu/b2ff81fa10.jpg I didn't really bother with aesthetics modding anywhere else, but since this is a really slow section that imperfect slider will be noticeable for a long time lol oop fixed. just a comment though, the self-blanket isnt for just the circle, its for part of the body too just a bit
4. 02:37:121 - I know I already mentioned hitsounds, but man, this part especially needs louder hitsounds, it would sound so cool on the kicks gottem
5. 03:12:302 - Why not map this kiai more like 04:39:575 - ? I guess you might've been wanting to make the last kiai seem even more epic, but frankly, the constant 1/2 in this kiai was REALLY underwhelming. Also, while it's understandable that you didn't use them because it might spam the section, some whistles might be nice. my motivation for mapping the later kiai differently was because i wanted it to have more sustain and flow more freely due to the new instruements in the background. meanwhile, i wanted the first one to feel more rigid and oppressive but i dont know if it came across as such. i try ;w;
6. 03:29:757 - I really did not like these patterns, I feel like they don't play that well and aren't very fun when you use so many like that. Same goes for all other instances of these. Some of them are better than others, i.e. 03:31:939 (1,2,1) - this pattern is better than 03:29:757 (1,2,1) - this one because the second one is directly counter-flow, whereas the first one has at least a somewhat closer angle. I think there are better ways to map these. i will keep this pattern because ive found for my testplayers it is easy to hit if you can read it, and also fun to play apparently. however i do concede that notelock and overlaps make it a pain to read, and very easy to botch.
7. 03:31:530 (2,3,1) - You used this spacing for 1/3, so it might potentially be confusing, same with 03:40:257 (2,3,1) - there are no cues of being 1/3s here (as opposed to the last time, where there are 1/3 repeated sliders cueing 1/3s) so i will not change spacing.
8. 04:18:439 (3,4,1) - Really awkward movement here in this pattern this bit is on purpose (for this kiai specifically, i wanted things to be more stressful to hit because of the puncturing sporadic and random percussion and screeching)

Very cool map, have a star (though it doesn't matter for you at this point). Your post here p/6134915 was kind of vague, so I'm not sure if you're still going for loved or not, but I encourage you to go for ranked

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never forget happy sea lion

Celektus wrote:

かめりあ

- Frontier - wrote:

https://itunes.apple.com/jp/album/cyphisonia-ep/id1176411990
http://cametek.jp/about.html
:thinking:

Me wrote:

I really like this song, is this going for loved?

- Frontier - wrote:

Me wrote:

I really like this song, is this going for loved?

JeZag wrote:

Not quite sure, I'm honestly still testing the waters...

[General]

1. Unable to detect sound file format:
   normal-slidertick.wav
   normal-slidertick2.wav
   normal-slidertick7.wav
   soft-slidertick.wav
   Correct me if im mistaken, but these wavs serve as silence to silence sliderticks; they dun do nuthin wrong
2. Tick out widescreen.
   i will not touch this for now, will wait for SB before taking action
3. Should the song be 220 BPM in the whole map? Looks like the structure of the song is meant to 220 BPM.
   personally some parts definitely seem slower than 220 bpm especially when there is no percussion and only slow stuff
4. Color 1 is pretty bright. Consider darken a little bit. (make the luminosity lower than 210)
   ok, made into 210 luminosity exact
5. 
   you got it

[SPEKTRE]

1. 01:44:759 (1) - This has almost the same rhythm like 01:49:123 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -, both have the same 1/3 sounds, but why they mapped differently?
   this is mapped like this to give a break or a buffer for the player. I don't think its healthy to go straight from 1/4 jumps into 1/3 spaced streams so i have this here.
2. 01:54:577 (1,2,3) - These touch the hp-bar. Consider moving it lower to avoid having difficulty in reading notes. i will consider and think of a workaround.
3. 03:44:211 (2) - not perfectly stacked with the others. good now
4. 03:57:848 (1,2,3) - This might be weird because they are hard to read while the others (like 03:58:257 (1,2,3) - ) are clear to read. But this might be only for me. i definitely see where you're coming from but judging by testplays from people who are willing to testplay this, this is readable (on first try!) with high-level reading and AR 9.7
5. 04:20:893 (1) - This touches the hp-bar. Consider moving it lower to avoid having difficulty in reading notes. i will think of a workaround.

can't mod ;w ★
Good Luck~

[[Pika]] wrote:

hi im from q

gonna skim mod because i dont wanna spend too much time modding a map trying for loved

00:09:578 (2) - make this like all of the other sliders in section - two segment i dont think this would look good as two segment cause then it would be rather big for the little spoon in this relationship

00:15:305 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - cluttered zzz, have some patterning. this feels pretty clunky to look at due to no visible ideology in positioning (big boy words aaa) i agree that there isnt a definite structure going on here, but i tried to make up for that by some rudimentary symmetry and definitive spacing emphasis

00:44:895 (1,3,5,7) - try to artificial stack (ctrl + arrow keys when selecting to move things by 1 pixel) these for readability, same for everything following if the artificial stack is only for readability, i think there is no need judging by testplays ive seen. also i dont like the look of the stack (otherwise i couldve just mapped this with higher stack leniency)

00:57:713 (4,1,2) - eww flow, 00:57:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ctrl j all of this problem solved | currently you need to snap really far up and then make a small movement downwards to prevent missing (2) and that's bad i wouldnt quite say its terrible flow, and i dont plan on changing it. the reason for this is that the streamjumps that are 00:57:304 (1,2,3,4) - should have already conditioned the player to snap then flow the other way, which is pretty much how 00:57:850 (1,2,3) - reads, albeit some horizontal motion added. i will definitely keep this in mind in case i have a change of heart though

01:01:941 - this is lame, really strong downbeat on sliderend zzz i getchu but this is just how i did this section (clicks only on wubs, nothing else)

01:09:304 (1,2,3,4) - circle flow in intense part pls. 01:09:441 (2,3) - ctrl g this group ooh i like this

01:17:486 (3,4,1,2) - same thing, 01:17:623 (4,1) - ctrl g this group i'll keep the spacing as is because i want 01:17:486 (3,4) - spaced like the rest, sorta close like this with the slider pointing to it.

03:15:030 (1,1) - this transition is a lot slower than i'd like, push 03:15:030 (1) - this a little to the right to fix imo i will keep this in mind but no change for now

03:45:848 (1,2) - weird transition, nc (2) too ok, i change this NC and the other two sections analogous to this

03:50:757 (1) - you could've done more with this slider, normal at start and then turns more messed up as it progresses i think this sound is represented well enough by this slider in the sense that it starts out with large bumps then steadily hones into the tail. i see where you're coming from though

03:59:484 (1) - same ok i cant defend this shape as well as i can the last but i still think this fits reasonably enough because i intended the "upper curve" and the "lower curve" of this slider to converge to the tail, sorta honing in just like the last one.

04:14:484 (3) - nc for clarity ok, changed NC to every two. woa thats a lot of ncs

04:15:030 (3) - this especially because the pattern is cascading

04:15:575 (3) - 04:16:121 (3) - ye nc

04:18:302 - strong sound on slider end again very angery i put the angry percussion on the back burner for this section to click the high wubs

04:34:939 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - stream shape looks like spaghetti lol its extra curvy

04:39:575 - what happened to your cool symmetrical thing, it was pretty dank different emphasis. the first drop was intended to be more "methodical" whereas this is supposed to be more "free" (so i adhered less to strict rhythm and took advantage of more 3/4 and sustain)

04:51:507 (2,3) - all nc because different rhythm super emphasis

boom

1. 01:17:623 (4,1,2) - This open angled circular flow feels and plays weird after having a section of mostly sharp angles, something like this might work better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8805378
2. 03:10:939 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You can make this look more polished, the way the sliders overlap each others differently right now looks a bit ugly
3. 03:12:030 (1,2) - Imo this would give more impact to the kiai's buildup if they were more spaced from the slider that starts the kiai, right now it looks cool but the lack of movement feels anticlimatic or something
4. 03:28:598 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - The last circle+slider pair would feel a lot better it it continued the side by side movement you had with the previous two, right now it feels like a slow movement downwards with these two 03:28:871 (1,2,1,2) - when playing, do a movement similar to this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8805540 (only less ugly)
5. 03:29:757 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - This is cool, ill steal it for when i map something similar :^)
6. 03:34:121 (2,1) - Having these stacked would make the pattern way more clean, right now the movement these makes feels awkward and looks unclean. Same with the other one
7. 03:57:848 (1,2,3) - Ok, this is way too hard to read lol, try making 3 more distinguishable
8. 04:13:939 - I kinda like the messy style this has but this 1/4 slider section is just way too messy. Make it more structured please aa
9. 04:16:393 (1,2,3,4,5) - This burst is hard and uncomfortable to catch with this angle after all those slider jumps, could work better making it flow more smoothly or using less spacing to reduce the aim strain. Found that this placing works better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8805646 (it makes use of the fact that you already had a back and forth movement so it feels way easier to hit.
10. 04:46:052 - Introducing stream jumps like these when the map is almost done just feels unfair :^(

- Matha - wrote:

can't mod but here

SPOILER

This map has high SV changes and all but it is separated nicely among the slower ones , just like here 00:25:123 (1,1) - there is first a kick slider the start , followed up by this huge SV change , although there is a huge difference in speed the map is still very enjoyable , and I love how you decided to map these 04:42:575 (1,2,3) - xd , I can pass the map but some players cannot , like my friends but after see this mapset I feel like no matter how hard this is for lower ranked player they will still have the though of trying to pass the map , tho this map has a 3 min build up , it is still pretty depressing to fail right before the kiai mode enters tbh , the map's pattern is pretty simple and plain but if that's what the song offers , overall I really hope this map reached loved and after experiencing the map , I will return and play again .

Atsuro wrote:

Hello! Here's my part of the m4m (only 3 months late (sorry don't kill me))

SPEKTRE

1. 01:17:623 (4,1,2) - This open angled circular flow feels and plays weird after having a section of mostly sharp angles, something like this might work better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8805378 ooh i was bashing my head over the circular flow thing but didnt see an alternative. this is a good fix,
   i like it
2. 03:10:939 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You can make this look more polished, the way the sliders overlap each others differently right now looks a bit ugly haha my taste might be unrefined. anyway, the thing i was going for here was to make the overlap of those sliders become less and less and swing further out as the stream progressed, hoping this would make it more hype.
3. 03:12:030 (1,2) - Imo this would give more impact to the kiai's buildup if they were more spaced from the slider that starts the kiai, right now it looks cool but the lack of movement feels anticlimatic or something the flow break here was intended to contrast with the movement and high SV when the melody kicks in, cause here at the very start it hasnt started yet. actually, I wanted it to be even more overlapped but was afraid for readability.
4. 03:28:598 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - The last circle+slider pair would feel a lot better it it continued the side by side movement you had with the previous two, right now it feels like a slow movement downwards with these two 03:28:871 (1,2,1,2) - when playing, do a movement similar to this
   https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8805540 (only less ugly)
   wow good eye, i was thinking about remapping this (because at high bpm and AR, this is terrible terrible flow cause of slider leniency) and your fix seems great!
5. 03:29:757 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - This is cool, ill steal it for when i map something similar :^) go ahead, im pretty sure ive stolen this from somewhere too, but i forget :'^)
6. 03:34:121 (2,1) - Having these stacked would make the pattern way more clean, right now the movement these makes feels awkward and looks unclean. Same with the other one fuckin genius
7. 03:57:848 (1,2,3) - Ok, this is way too hard to read lol, try making 3 more distinguishable diddit
8. 04:13:939 - I kinda like the messy style this has but this 1/4 slider section is just way too messy. Make it more structured please aa if i could i would ;w;
9. 04:16:393 (1,2,3,4,5) - This burst is hard and uncomfortable to catch with this angle after all those slider jumps, could work better making it flow more smoothly or using less spacing to reduce the aim strain. Found that this placing works better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8805646 (it makes use of the fact that you already had a back and forth movement so it feels way easier to hit. ok will consider
10. 04:46:052 - Introducing stream jumps like these when the map is almost done just feels unfair :^(
    elements of streamjumps are present in the beginning and in some streams, but definitely nothing like this hehehe. well its the pinnacle of the song so let me go wild ;w;

This map has potential, just needs more work and polish here and there imo
I hope this helps, GL!

ItsSurreal wrote:

hiya JeZag

Mod (edit)

01:02:077 The jumps seem really messy, and some don't overlap others, creating a giant mess of fast jumps
01:02:077. I find that the 1 should overlap 3 there
01:02:759. 2nd circle of that combo should overlap the 4
01:13:804. 3 should be overlapping the slider end of the the slider at 01:14:213