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2016-12-14 20:00 Deramok: got some time at hand to go through your map?
2016-12-14 20:00 Mir: yesh
2016-12-14 20:01 Deramok: alright, i probably won't say anything to the low difficulties as i got close to zero experience with them yet
2016-12-14 20:01 Deramok: gonna start from the top one
2016-12-14 20:01 Mir: fair enough
2016-12-14 20:02 Deramok: 00:18:783 (6) - why is it red-ankered as the only slider in the chorus, it doesn't seem to carry anything as special as to have it break the concept
2016-12-14 20:03 Mir: true, changed
2016-12-14 20:05 Deramok: 00:20:007 (4,5) - to me it seems a bit irritating that the slider end of the first slider is on a prominent sound like that. my suggestion would be turning 00:19:803 (3) - into a 1/2 slider and using three notes notes afterwards. you skipped the kick on many other vocals too using 1/2 sliders, so i don't think it would kill the concept
2016-12-14 20:06 Mir: hmm
2016-12-14 20:06 Mir: one sec
2016-12-14 20:06 Mir: am kinda bleeding atm LOL
2016-12-14 20:06 Deramok: D:
2016-12-14 20:06 Mir: i'll be back in uhhhh 5 mins dont hurt me pls
2016-12-14 20:11 Mir: uh okay
2016-12-14 20:12 Mir: sorry about that i was picking at a scab like a complete idiot and it just started bleeding ;w;
2016-12-14 20:13 Deramok: uh, picking at scabs.. makes me cringe
2016-12-14 20:13 Mir: alright i took that suggestion in mind and i quite like it
2016-12-14 20:13 Mir: yeah sorry x.x
2016-12-14 20:14 Deramok: well, if you take the suggestion you'll probably have to change these too 01:26:742 (3,4,5) - 01:39:803 (3,4,5) -
2016-12-14 20:15 Deramok: 00:23:680 (6) - sounds like 1/2 to me
2016-12-14 20:18 Mir: yeah
2016-12-14 20:18 Mir: changed ;w;
2016-12-14 20:18 Deramok: same here 00:34:293 (1) - . you mapped it 1/2 as well here 00:31:436 (2,3) -
2016-12-14 20:18 Mir: ah but there
2016-12-14 20:18 Mir: they're mapped to the wub sounds
2016-12-14 20:18 Mir: so they're kicksliders to make the map faster
2016-12-14 20:19 Deramok: ah, i guess that's my inexperience with the genre surfacing then
2016-12-14 20:19 Mir: 00:23:680 (6) - this one is supposed to be vocals so i don't have to use 1/4 like i did
2016-12-14 20:20 Mir: could be yeah, but with a lot of wub maps kicksliders are used for wub sounds because a normal circle just doesn't feel right
2016-12-14 20:21 Deramok: i guess so then
2016-12-14 20:21 Deramok: on the topic of following vocals though
2016-12-14 20:21 Deramok: 00:51:844 (1,2,3,4) - it works as it is now i guess, but since you mostly follow the vocals in this part ignoring the first 1/4 might not be a bad idea like http://puu.sh/sPcXn/8feba3bf20.jpg
2016-12-14 20:23 Mir: yeah
2016-12-14 20:23 Mir: looks good o/
2016-12-14 20:23 Deramok: 01:03:170 (8) - concidering that you're not following the background i'd rather go without the tripple
2016-12-14 20:24 Mir: but there is a triple in the song there o-o
2016-12-14 20:24 Mir: or no
2016-12-14 20:24 Mir: ohh there isn't i'm deaf
2016-12-14 20:24 Mir: my hearing is actually pretty bad so that's why there's some weird shit in this map ;-;
2016-12-14 20:25 Deramok: well, there is, but it's form a 1/4 beat that is present throughout the section and which you haven't mapped otherwise
2016-12-14 20:25 Mir: fair enough
2016-12-14 20:26 Deramok: what are these following if i may ask? the concept behind them seems to escape me
2016-12-14 20:26 Deramok: 01:17:966 (1,2,7,8) -
2016-12-14 20:26 Mir: tbh they don't follow anything particular in the song
2016-12-14 20:26 Mir: but they do set up the jump to 01:18:374 (3,4,5,6) -
2016-12-14 20:26 Deramok: as usually etnas in streams serve the purpose of emphasising something in particular
2016-12-14 20:27 Mir: true ;-;
2016-12-14 20:27 Mir: but i can't just have a super long stream there ._.
2016-12-14 20:28 Deramok: why not :< but you could put them on vocals for example
2016-12-14 20:28 Deramok: i can't really come up with a simple fix though. it's probably not somehting anyone else is bothered with anyway
2016-12-14 20:28 Mir: problem is if i put on vocals the last stream would be 6 notes and might play weird
2016-12-14 20:29 Deramok: weird? how so
2016-12-14 20:29 Mir: well usually players expect streams of odd numbers
2016-12-14 20:29 Mir: streams of even numbers force a player to end on the finger they didn't start the stream with
2016-12-14 20:30 Mir: this play uncomfortably
2016-12-14 20:30 Deramok: ack, you have plenty of that sort of stuff in this map already anyway
2016-12-14 20:30 Mir: true tbh
2016-12-14 20:31 Deramok: either way, do as you please with it. as said, it probably won't bother anyone as it is
2016-12-14 20:31 Deramok: 01:20:517 (2) - no tripple here. if you wan't the background 1/4 mapped it would be a quint
2016-12-14 20:31 Mir: i might redo that whole stream.
2016-12-14 20:32 Mir: nah there's clearly a triple there
2016-12-14 20:32 Mir: but
2016-12-14 20:32 Mir: hm i just realized what you're implying ._.
2016-12-14 20:33 Mir: can i make 01:20:619 (3) - a kickslider
2016-12-14 20:34 Deramok: could work maybe. you do put vocals on sliderstarts a lot, so it shouldn't be off-putting
2016-12-14 20:35 Mir: hm
2016-12-14 20:36 Deramok: 01:32:048 (5,6) - 1/4, both vocals and electrosound
2016-12-14 20:38 Mir: i can see 5
2016-12-14 20:38 Mir: but not 8
2016-12-14 20:38 Mir: 6*
2016-12-14 20:39 Deramok: well, was implying inbetween those
2016-12-14 20:40 Deramok: 01:41:436 (4) - speaking of starting sliders on vocals. but here you something like http://puu.sh/sPdyP/1620864814.jpg could work, doesn't ignore any of the 1/4 electro sounds and has vocals on sliderstarts. could also make the second slider 1/2 if you want to maintain the pattern of having those specific sets of vocals on 1/2 sliders as you have most of the time at the cost of one 1/4 sounds, which you've done a bunch of times already anyway
2016-12-14 20:43 Mir: i changed
2016-12-14 20:43 Mir: a lot of that section
2016-12-14 20:44 Mir: just now
2016-12-14 20:44 Deramok: 01:50:007 (7,8,9,10) - 00:29:701 (6,7,8,9) - might want to make those the same
2016-12-14 20:45 Deramok: rhythm wise ofc
2016-12-14 20:46 Mir: done
2016-12-14 20:47 Deramok: 01:59:905 (1) - i'd rotate it counter-clockwise for increased emphasis with the angle if incidence
2016-12-14 20:47 Mir: Alright fair enough
2016-12-14 20:47 Deramok: and that would be all i can find in this difficulty
2016-12-14 20:47 Mir: you're not the first to point that out ;w;
2016-12-14 20:48 Mir: wew the remap is real
2016-12-14 20:48 Deramok: it wasn't that much, was it?
2016-12-14 20:48 Mir: it was a lot tbh
2016-12-14 20:49 Deramok: oh? and here i didn't dare making a forum post because i wouldn't find enough of worth
2016-12-14 20:49 Mir: i love how that decreased the sr even though a lot of what i did made it harder
2016-12-14 20:49 Deramok: heh
2016-12-14 20:50 Deramok: on the insane 00:44:599 (4) - i don't hear a 1/4 on this
2016-12-14 20:50 Deramok: probably happens somewhere later on too
2016-12-14 20:51 Mir: it's a fade-in sound
2016-12-14 20:52 Mir: it actually starts from somewhere between that blue and the next red
2016-12-14 20:52 Mir: but for simplicity's sake i just mapped it on the blue
2016-12-14 20:52 Deramok: ah, from the 1/6 thing, i see
2016-12-14 20:52 Deramok: wouldn't map it myself, but i guess that's a personal thing
2016-12-14 20:53 Deramok: 01:20:517 (2) - same as on upper difficulty
2016-12-14 20:53 Mir: i tried to make the insane something that is more playable for normal people
2016-12-14 20:53 Mir: papayapa is as baitey as they come in sr
2016-12-14 20:53 Mir: yeah done
2016-12-14 20:53 Deramok: 01:33:578 (5) - am i missing something again or is there really no 1/4 this time
2016-12-14 20:54 Mir: i'm sure there's a piano there
2016-12-14 20:54 Mir: the little synth thing
2016-12-14 20:54 Mir: WHAT DO YOU CALL IT JESUS idek what it is it's a piano
2016-12-14 20:54 Deramok: i have no idea what those are called
2016-12-14 20:55 Deramok: but isn't there one of those on the previous blue as well then?
2016-12-14 20:55 Mir: link me? :3
2016-12-14 20:55 Deramok: between01:33:272 (3,4) -
2016-12-14 20:55 Deramok: i guess they're different
2016-12-14 20:55 Mir: nope there's nothing there that i can hear
2016-12-14 20:56 Deramok: yeah, less distinct a sound there and of different nature, my bad
2016-12-14 20:56 Mir: it's okay ;w;
2016-12-14 20:56 Deramok: 01:53:068 (5,6) - a note between those?
2016-12-14 20:56 Mir: don't apologize D:
2016-12-14 20:57 Mir: sure, i hear it
2016-12-14 20:57 Deramok: the rest stays true to it's concepts so no more complaints on this diff
2016-12-14 20:58 Deramok: the one thing i noticed ont he hard is that you use 1/6, which you don't use at all in the insane, which seemed a bit weird from a progression standpoint
2016-12-14 20:58 Mir: im just now putting in 1/6
2016-12-14 20:58 Mir: xD
2016-12-14 20:58 Deramok: oh, hah
2016-12-14 20:59 Deramok: well, as said.. i probably won't find anything on lower diffs than hard
2016-12-14 21:00 Deramok: yeah.. not finding anything. not familiar enough with concepts of low diffs
2016-12-14 21:00 Deramok: so i guess i'm done
2016-12-14 21:00 Mir: thats fine x.x
2016-12-14 21:00 Mir: thanks a lot \o/
2016-12-14 21:00 Mir: one of the better mods i've gotten tbh, you should really open a queue or something if you haven't already
2016-12-14 21:01 Deramok: shall i grab the irc log and post it as reference or are we fine?
2016-12-14 21:01 Mir: go ahead and post it
2016-12-14 21:01 Deramok: no, i don't have a queue
2016-12-14 21:01 Deramok: good to hear that it was helpful though
2016-12-14 21:01 Mir: well it's up to you if you make one \o/
2016-12-14 21:03 Mir: i do have one request though if it's not too much to ask, could you check the stream in papayapa? x.x
2016-12-14 21:04 Mir: i'm not 100% sure on how to map it since it's really long
2016-12-14 21:04 Mir: i just updated the map so yeah ._.
2016-12-14 21:06 Deramok: sure, can do
2016-12-14 21:12 Deramok: hmm, one option would be to not have a big stream at all and split it with an etna on all the vocals like http://puu.sh/sPzXG/ce7971a6b6.jpg . in any case i don't really get the sharp turn on 01:17:150 (1) - since it's a continuous thing and doesn't need emphasis there. can easily be fixed by smoothing it out though
2016-12-14 21:12 Deramok: then the oposite angle from the etna seems pretty counterintuitive. those things work with several etnas, but not really as well with streams, especially not at that curvature
2016-12-14 21:13 Deramok: that could be fixed by rotating the second half of the stream
2016-12-14 21:13 Mir: :thinking:
2016-12-14 21:13 Deramok: untill the start of it is to the bottom
2016-12-14 21:14 Deramok: another option would just be to not have any etnas in there
2016-12-14 21:15 Deramok: it also seems a bit weird that the second half decreases in ds while it the song builds intensity
2016-12-14 21:00 Mir: thats fine x.x
2016-12-14 21:00 Mir: thanks a lot \o/
2016-12-14 21:00 Mir: one of the better mods i've gotten tbh, you should really open a queue or something if you haven't already
2016-12-14 21:01 Deramok: shall i grab the irc log and post it as reference or are we fine?
2016-12-14 21:01 Mir: go ahead and post it
2016-12-14 21:01 Deramok: no, i don't have a queue
2016-12-14 21:01 Deramok: good to hear that it was helpful though
2016-12-14 21:01 Mir: well it's up to you if you make one \o/
2016-12-14 21:03 Mir: i do have one request though if it's not too much to ask, could you check the stream in papayapa? x.x
2016-12-14 21:04 Mir: i'm not 100% sure on how to map it since it's really long
2016-12-14 21:04 Mir: i just updated the map so yeah ._.
2016-12-14 21:06 Deramok: sure, can do
2016-12-14 21:12 Deramok: hmm, one option would be to not have a big stream at all and split it with an etna on all the vocals like http://puu.sh/sPzXG/ce7971a6b6.jpg . in any case i don't really get the sharp turn on 01:17:150 (1) - since it's a continuous thing and doesn't need emphasis there. can easily be fixed by smoothing it out though
2016-12-14 21:12 Deramok: then the oposite angle from the etna seems pretty counterintuitive. those things work with several etnas, but not really as well with streams, especially not at that curvature
2016-12-14 21:13 Deramok: that could be fixed by rotating the second half of the stream
2016-12-14 21:13 Mir: :thinking:
2016-12-14 21:13 Deramok: untill the start of it is to the bottom
2016-12-14 21:14 Deramok: another option would just be to not have any etnas in there
2016-12-14 21:15 Deramok: it also seems a bit weird that the second half decreases in ds while it the song builds intensity
2016-12-14 21:15 Mir: yeah gonna redo it x.x
2016-12-14 21:20 Mir: oh my lord this looks like it'll play horribly
2016-12-14 21:21 Mir: https://puu.sh/sPAMd/c1e6d89451.osu try this?
2016-12-14 21:24 Deramok: 01:17:252 (7,8,9,10) - this transition doesn't play too well
2016-12-14 21:25 Deramok: could have 01:17:252 (7,8,9,10) - blanket 01:17:252 (7,8,9,10) -
2016-12-14 21:25 Deramok: 01:17:354 (8,10,11,12) -
2016-12-14 21:25 Deramok: ..
2016-12-14 21:26 Deramok: 01:17:048 (6) -
2016-12-14 21:26 Deramok: that one
2016-12-14 21:26 Mir: this part is cancer.
2016-12-14 21:26 Mir: admit it, it's really bad
2016-12-14 21:27 Mir: -sigh- i don't know how to map this without ignoring the vocals
2016-12-14 21:34 Deramok: the vocals occur in paris of three, so 120 angles could work out pretty well
2016-12-14 21:35 Deramok: pairs*
2016-12-14 21:36 Deramok: can't get the thing on one screen so i'll have to show the option like this http://puu.sh/sPBRg/7d5a6836fb.osu
2016-12-14 21:37 Mir: I think I did a thing
2016-12-14 21:37 Mir: https://puu.sh/sPBT6/6275ad9f17.osu
2016-12-14 21:39 Deramok: is that.. different from before?
2016-12-14 21:40 Mir: very different o.o
2016-12-14 21:40 Mir: wait maybe i didn't do it right
2016-12-14 21:40 Mir: https://puu.sh/sPC5A/c2068a238b.osu
2016-12-14 21:40 Deramok: ah, now it's different
2016-12-14 21:42 Deramok: that works emphasis wise
2016-12-14 21:42 Mir: i feel like that would play better and easier.. :thinking:
2016-12-14 21:44 Deramok: the only complaint would be that you don't differ between 1/4 vocals and 1/3 ones
2016-12-14 21:44 Mir: where would 1/3 be o.o
2016-12-14 21:44 Deramok: oh
2016-12-14 21:44 Deramok: 1/2
2016-12-14 21:45 Mir: i do
2016-12-14 21:45 Mir: the verses are 1/2 vocals
2016-12-14 21:45 Mir: but they're 1/4 reverses to capture the drums too
2016-12-14 21:45 Deramok: yeah, but the 1/2 vocal plays the same as the 1/4 01:16:742 (5,6) -
2016-12-14 21:46 Deramok: could just not reverse the first one and put a single on the start of the next one to fix it
2016-12-14 21:46 Mir: ah
2016-12-14 21:46 Mir: okay did that
2016-12-14 21:47 Deramok: alright, should be fine now then
2016-12-14 21:47 Mir: now to re-hitsound it