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KupcaH
Play even more
Skidayo

pinhamadeira wrote:

Title.
Im not talking about reading high ars.
"Play more" posts will be ignored, in 100h my reading didnt improve anything
for improving reading under ar9, try playing old maps (2009~2010) it helped me a lot.
when i first tried old maps i couldn't even read the 2star hard or normal difficulty properly.
I was able to fc a lot of 5* maps but it was just too hard. the map looked so easy but slow approach rate was so confusing.
I just tried again and again. (sometimes with memorizing) spending over 30 minutes for retrying 3* maps to get fc..
so stupid way but after few months i got skills to read ar6 and play ezdt

if you are stuck at some patterns, memorize it and try to read again.
Tamako Lumisade
One answer - older maps. These ones varies from AR3 to AR8. Tons of them. It improved my reading after 3-4 days.
Topic Starter
My Angel Chilly

Skidayo wrote:

pinhamadeira wrote:

Title.
Im not talking about reading high ars.
"Play more" posts will be ignored, in 100h my reading didnt improve anything
for improving reading under ar9, try playing old maps (2009~2010) it helped me a lot.
when i first tried old maps i couldn't even read the 2star hard or normal difficulty properly.
I was able to fc a lot of 5* maps but it was just too hard. the map looked so easy but slow approach rate was so confusing.
I just tried again and again. (sometimes with memorizing) spending over 30 minutes for retrying 3* maps to get fc..
so stupid way but after few months i got skills to read ar6 and play ezdt

if you are stuck at some patterns, memorize it and try to read again.
Ly senpai

Husky wrote:

One answer - older maps. These ones varies from AR3 to AR8. Tons of them. It improved my reading after 3-4 days.
Ty
Deva
100 hours is absolute shit
heck I have 360 hours and my reading is absolute shit

Play more
Nattsun
How about playing 3* maps like you are supposed to?

Sightreading=you have the skills down to FC the map easily.
If you need 40 tries for a 30 second map you just suck and should play easier maps.

Why can't people talk it slowly and stop playing maps that are too hard for them. Just enjoy the game and you will improve naturally, you won't become the next Cookiezi anyway and nobody cares about another FC on Haitai.
Deva

Nattsun wrote:

How about playing 3* maps like you are supposed to?
This is just stupid. There is nothing you are "supposed to" do.

Like if you want to be able to play super fast streams but don't care about acc you mash your keyboard as fast as you can and you enjoy it.

If you enjoy flaunting your mouse/pen around not even hitting most of the notes then by all means do so. (This is me and not only did it not make me worse, it gave me speedy aim and tapping that are wayyy out of my rank. Yes it's true that I rarely get any FCs but I didn't really invest any time into that now did I?)

Or maybe if you enjoy SSing super slow maps and just increasing your SS count fucking go for it, no one should be able to stop you.

It's highly unlikely that any of us will become the next cookiezi but is that really what we are supposed to aim at? Being the next greatest osu player?

Do what you enjoy the most. If it's increasing that insignificant number next to "pp" then fucking earn it all because it's whats fun for you.

That's what this game is about, fun.
Topic Starter
My Angel Chilly

Nattsun wrote:

How about playing 3* maps like you are supposed to?

Sightreading=you have the skills down to FC the map easily.
If you need 40 tries for a 30 second map you just suck and should play easier maps.

Why can't people talk it slowly and stop playing maps that are too hard for them. Just enjoy the game and you will improve naturally, you won't become the next Cookiezi anyway and nobody cares about another FC on Haitai.
Theyre not hard. I just cant read it properly, and Im not talking about acc, because i CAN acc, the only thing i can do is hitting the stuff without memorizing. Spec me if you want.
Anemic Witch
Play low AR maps.
c-atsuit
ez mod
Nattsun

HK_ wrote:

Nattsun wrote:

How about playing 3* maps like you are supposed to?
This is just stupid. There is nothing you are "supposed to" do.

Like if you want to be able to play super fast streams but don't care about acc you mash your keyboard as fast as you can and you enjoy it.

If you enjoy flaunting your mouse/pen around not even hitting most of the notes then by all means do so. (This is me and not only did it not make me worse, it gave me speedy aim and tapping that are wayyy out of my rank. Yes it's true that I rarely get any FCs but I didn't really invest any time into that now did I?)

Or maybe if you enjoy SSing super slow maps and just increasing your SS count fucking go for it, no one should be able to stop you.

It's highly unlikely that any of us will become the next cookiezi but is that really what we are supposed to aim at? Being the next greatest osu player?

Do what you enjoy the most. If it's increasing that insignificant number next to "pp" then fucking earn it all because it's whats fun for you.

That's what this game is about, fun.
Do you recommend someone who can't swim to go alone to the beach and jump into the sea?

Also, a rhythm game is supposed to be a game that focuses mainly on the music and the player following the beat, mashing has nothing to do with it and that's not how a rhythm game is supposed to be played...

Excuses, if you git guud scores will come naturally, it has nothing to do with investing time. For some weird reason I shit out top plays when I improve and I do sightread everything :VVVVVVVVVVV

I don't SS easy maps. All of my FCs are 4*+, the ones that ain't got DTd to make them 4*+ lol. Most of my SS plays are actually impressive, some of them have a handful of SS plays, but whatever.

No, you don't have to aim to be #1, just don't invest a truckload of time into something with literally no return. Enjoying the game and playing for fun is enough to improve.

I think I said this before, but I just enjoy playing 4-5* maps the most and I do play everything. I couldn't care less about the amount of S ranks I have, it's all about being not overranked and for some weird reason I fucking love old maps, sadly I FCd all Andrea/Jericho maps already :V (Working on the real aids nowadays, doing pretty good lol)

NINJAEDIT: I'm sorry that my S rank count is increasing, but it's not my fault that I'm good enough to sightread maps I enjoy 8-)
autoteleology

HK_ wrote:

Nattsun wrote:

How about playing 3* maps like you are supposed to?
This is just stupid. There is nothing you are "supposed to" do.

Like if you want to be able to play super fast streams but don't care about acc you mash your keyboard as fast as you can and you enjoy it.

If you enjoy flaunting your mouse/pen around not even hitting most of the notes then by all means do so. (This is me and not only did it not make me worse, it gave me speedy aim and tapping that are wayyy out of my rank. Yes it's true that I rarely get any FCs but I didn't really invest any time into that now did I?)

Or maybe if you enjoy SSing super slow maps and just increasing your SS count fucking go for it, no one should be able to stop you.

It's highly unlikely that any of us will become the next cookiezi but is that really what we are supposed to aim at? Being the next greatest osu player?

Do what you enjoy the most. If it's increasing that insignificant number next to "pp" then fucking earn it all because it's whats fun for you.

That's what this game is about, fun.
Disillusionz

pinhamadeira wrote:

Theyre not hard. I just cant read it properly, and Im not talking about acc, because i CAN acc
Profile says otherwise

But yeah, the most detailed answer I or anyone else should give you is play Low AR maps, they help.

pinhamadeira wrote:

Yes it wont. I didnt improve at all. I cant read anything. Not just patterns. I need around 30 retries on a 4* star to FC it, even ir its 30 sec, because most of the time i sh1tmiss
If you're so sure that you can't improve then why are you even playing/asking a question?
StephOsu

pinhamadeira wrote:

Play more
the answer is always in your thread starting post
everyone improve at different rate so don't compare yourself to other people, but compare yourself to only yourself
i started off this game being stuck with the hard difficulty of this map for 3 months straight (because i only play few hours a week and whenever i came online i always play this map alone, but that's another story really)
point being made im still better than most people that's playing this game right now despite having a shitty start compare to other people
heck one of my friend that freshly joined osu for the first week is already better than me after 4 months of playing
KupcaH

Nattsun wrote:

Most of my SS plays are actually impressive
niec
Topic Starter
My Angel Chilly

SirOxorsid wrote:

pinhamadeira wrote:

Theyre not hard. I just cant read it properly, and Im not talking about acc, because i CAN acc
Profile says otherwise

But yeah, the most detailed answer I or anyone else should give you is play Low AR maps, they help.

pinhamadeira wrote:

Yes it wont. I didnt improve at all. I cant read anything. Not just patterns. I need around 30 retries on a 4* star to FC it, even ir its 30 sec, because most of the time i sh1tmiss
If you're so sure that you can't improve then why are you even playing/asking a question?
Yes i can acc but to have both acc and FC it has to be really lucky run lol (i got a few around 94-97? Not to good but meh not so bad either for me)
And Im asking cause there might be a "special" way to get better at it?? Which seems to be ez and old maps
N0thingSpecial
Not sure what reading you're referring to.

But low AR: play old maps, edit maps to AR 7-8

If you're just bad at reading patterns in general: Play more, specifically play large variety of maps cause your pattern recognition is very limited from small map pool, play more and you're more likely to able to hit similar patterns in other maps.

Also improve your tapping consistency, your tapping is not intuitive enough for you to read patterns in the first place, mostly you probably rely heavily on visuals for tapping rather than audio, even if you manage to aim difficult patterns your tapping will lag/you'll mash.

And no 100 hours is no where enough, get 500 hours and you'll still get play more comments

pinhamadeira wrote:

Yes i can acc but to have both acc and FC it has to be really lucky run lol (i got a few around 94-97? Not to good but meh not so bad either for me)
97% is bad acc
Deva

Nattsun wrote:

Do you recommend someone who can't swim to go alone to the beach and jump into the sea?
You don't really risk your life by playing a 7* map you can't hope to play properly now do you?

Nattsun wrote:

Also, a rhythm game is supposed to be a game that focuses mainly on the music and the player following the beat, mashing has nothing to do with it and that's not how a rhythm game is supposed to be played...
Yes but "rhythm game" is a guideline not a rule so you can actually play it however you want as long as you have fun doing it

Nattsun wrote:

Excuses, if you git guud scores will come naturally, it has nothing to do with investing time. For some weird reason I shit out top plays when I improve and I do sightread everything :VVVVVVVVVVV
8/10 of my top plays were sightreads after a few days of grinding pure skill so yeah if you git gud scores will come naturally indeed

Nattsun wrote:

I don't SS easy maps. All of my FCs are 4*+, the ones that ain't got DTd to make them 4*+ lol. Most of my SS plays are actually impressive, some of them have a handful of SS plays, but whatever.
Weren't talking about you there but me. I used to grind my SS count on easy/normal/hard maps and for some reason I was judged for it because "it wasn't out of my comfort zone and didn't help me improve at all" but I was just doing what I felt like was fun

Nattsun wrote:

No, you don't have to aim to be #1, just don't invest a truckload of time into something with literally no return. Enjoying the game and playing for fun is enough to improve.
You'd have to have some dumb playstyle like aiming with your dick and tapping with your balls for no return. Heck even then you'd learn how to play like that. There is no such thing as "investing your time into something with literally no return" because no matter what you do, you will get better at some aspects of the game
N0thingSpecial
Skill can't be farmed, only talent matters.
Nattsun

HK_ wrote:

Nattsun wrote:

Do you recommend someone who can't swim to go alone to the beach and jump into the sea?
You don't really risk your life by playing a 7* map you can't hope to play properly now do you?

Nattsun wrote:

Also, a rhythm game is supposed to be a game that focuses mainly on the music and the player following the beat, mashing has nothing to do with it and that's not how a rhythm game is supposed to be played...
Yes but "rhythm game" is a guideline not a rule so you can actually play it however you want as long as you have fun doing it

Nattsun wrote:

Excuses, if you git guud scores will come naturally, it has nothing to do with investing time. For some weird reason I shit out top plays when I improve and I do sightread everything :VVVVVVVVVVV
8/10 of my top plays were sightreads after a few days of grinding pure skill so yeah if you git gud scores will come naturally indeed

Nattsun wrote:

I don't SS easy maps. All of my FCs are 4*+, the ones that ain't got DTd to make them 4*+ lol. Most of my SS plays are actually impressive, some of them have a handful of SS plays, but whatever.
Weren't talking about you there but me. I used to grind my SS count on easy/normal/hard maps and for some reason I was judged for it because "it wasn't out of my comfort zone and didn't help me improve at all" but I was just doing what I felt like was fun

Nattsun wrote:

No, you don't have to aim to be #1, just don't invest a truckload of time into something with literally no return. Enjoying the game and playing for fun is enough to improve.
You'd have to have some dumb playstyle like aiming with your dick and tapping with your balls for no return. Heck even then you'd learn how to play like that. There is no such thing as "investing your time into something with literally no return" because no matter what you do, you will get better at some aspects of the game
It's not about risking your life, just how stupid it would be if you do that.

If you enjoy a mash game, go ahead.

Nice.

I get my SS ranks naturally, you could say they are not out of my comfort zone. On the other hand my highest SS was in a multiplayer lobby and is a ~5.5* map lol (which I probably can't FC consistently :V)

You are not supposed to "git guud" actively all the time to improve, that's what I meant. My point stands tho, you have literally no return if you invest time in osu!, especially if you don't have fun improving.
N0thingSpecial
Hence quit game is best git gud option
Topic Starter
My Angel Chilly

N0thingSpecial wrote:

Not sure what reading you're referring to.

But low AR: play old maps, edit maps to AR 7-8

If you're just bad at reading patterns in general: Play more, specifically play large variety of maps cause your pattern recognition is very limited from small map pool, play more and you're more likely to able to hit similar patterns in other maps.

Also improve your tapping consistency, your tapping is not intuitive enough for you to read patterns in the first place, mostly you probably rely heavily on visuals for tapping rather than audio, even if you manage to aim difficult patterns your tapping will lag/you'll mash.

And no 100 hours is no where enough, get 500 hours and you'll still get play more comments

pinhamadeira wrote:

Yes i can acc but to have both acc and FC it has to be really lucky run lol (i got a few around 94-97? Not to good but meh not so bad either for me)
97% is bad acc
Not at my rank
N0thingSpecial
It's still bad acc
Ideal
you only have 2 scores with more than 97% on your tops though lol

play older maps, or learn how to play ez. both of these force reading on you - older maps also force learning more awkward patterns compared to the jump meta nowadays. you can also throw in hidden but that's really not recommendable for your rank
Topic Starter
My Angel Chilly

Idealism wrote:

you only have 2 scores with more than 97% on your tops though lol

play older maps, or learn how to play ez. both of these force reading on you - older maps also force learning more awkward patterns compared to the jump meta nowadays. you can also throw in hidden but that's really not recommendable for your rank
Yes my acc is Trash lmao, but im already trying to play ez and i downloads all 2009 ranked Maps. ty xd
Edgar_Figaro
My freinds make fun of me for my ACC as well despite it being over 98% lol. I think people tend to think at my level that I should be getting 99% on everything. I'd say at your level though 96~97 would be perfectly normal acc
clickhead
When your reading is bad, you tend to play beatmaps that are easier to read and have very simple patterns. Instead, play beatmaps that make you uncomfortable, that will improve your reading. Beatmaps that are harder to read basically. Also you might not pay enough attention to the beat of the song, any good beatmap will have notes that fit with the rythm of the music, so even if you can't tell visually when you are supposed to click a handful of notes, you can still click at the right time by following the general beat of the song.

Also I don't play older beatmaps that much because they aren't mapped as well imo, although it's true that they are often harder to read I don't think it's for the right reasons. There are exceptions of course.
Topic Starter
My Angel Chilly

clickhead wrote:

When your reading is bad, you tend to play beatmaps that are easier to read and have very simple patterns. Instead, play beatmaps that make you uncomfortable, that will improve your reading. Beatmaps that are harder to read basically. Also you might not pay enough attention to the beat of the song, any good beatmap will have notes that fit with the rythm of the music, so even if you can't tell visually when you are supposed to click a handful of notes, you can still click at the right time by following the general beat of the song.

Also I don't play older beatmaps that much because they aren't mapped as well imo, although it's true that they are often harder to read I don't think it's for the right reasons. There are exceptions of course.
I see, thx
StephOsu

Edgar_Figaro wrote:

My freinds make fun of me for my ACC as well despite it being over 98% lol. I think people tend to think at my level that I should be getting 99% on everything. I'd say at your level though 96~97 would be perfectly normal acc
96%~97% is actually quite bad for both your level and my level
i would say that 96%~97% is only acceptable when you still can't make any 100pp plays
otherwise it's either 98%+ or it's shit
Buster
play old maps
there hard to read, i can even read maps with AR 0
Topic Starter
My Angel Chilly

Lolinator2000 wrote:

play old maps
there hard to read, i can even read maps with AR 0
O yes pro
Edgar_Figaro

StephOsu wrote:

Edgar_Figaro wrote:

My freinds make fun of me for my ACC as well despite it being over 98% lol. I think people tend to think at my level that I should be getting 99% on everything. I'd say at your level though 96~97 would be perfectly normal acc
96%~97% is actually quite bad for both your level and my level
i would say that 96%~97% is only acceptable when you still can't make any 100pp plays
otherwise it's either 98%+ or it's shit
I know, which I have 98.24% ACC. I was saying for OP who doesn't have any 100PP plays yet that 96-97% was pretty average
Omnivale
i honestly hate the play more statement, i understand i need to play more... but is there a certain way i should play or what? Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect
Death

Omnivale wrote:

i honestly hate the play more statement, i understand i need to play more... but is there a certain way i should play or what? Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect
The reason this statement is so popular is because everyone is different. There is no "one size fits all" magical osu! improvement method, which many new players don't seem to understand.

With that said, if you aren't simply posting just to express your distaste for the term "play more" and are actually looking for potential tips, there are two extremely popular threads pinned to the top of this forum that focus on improvement.
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/99612
https://osu.ppy.sh/community/forums/topics/187364


Take a look at those threads if you want and please also look at the date of threads before replying to them. This one has been dead for a year.
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