Deramok wrote:

m4m as requested
holy fukin shit what a long ass mod

1. for the entire part untill the first bookmark, things aren't really wrong, but i'd suggest segmenting the flow differently. the part is structured so clearly and the rides make it so fluent that it would make sense to do so. in order to pull it, all you'd need is some rotatting or ctrl g really. you'd change directions every reverse slider as those are very conveniently placed for it already. examples of what to do would be: 00:02:072 (1) - ctrl g, 00:08:230 (2,3) - 180° like http://puu.sh/w7vJT/e17142536e.jpg , 00:10:599 (1,2) - ctrl g on 2 more for consistency with the other instances of this rhythm than fluency though, 00:12:967 (5,6) - ctrl h and put into the same position again the first one doesn't seem that good, i applied the rest
2. 00:18:651 (7,8,9) - could make more with that guitar tripple, even if you're following the drums with the streams, accentuating like that is hardly ever a bad idea. using a 1/4 slider works for example or some turns i think i'll keep it as it is for now
3. 00:22:599 (1,2,3,4) - on the other hand looks like it wants to accentuate something, but really doesn't, or i don't see what. so i'd remove the nc and make it coherent with the rest of the stream sure
4. 00:17:704 (2) - there's nothing in the song to support this sound. having filler hitcircles is not recommended unless you need them to keep up some sort of intensity, which isn't really called for in this fairly calm intro. an option would be to just reverse 00:17:230 (1) - and also getting rid of 3 in the process. also helps with expressing the held guitar sound. similar things go for other instances of this too ofc uhhh i don't think that part is that calm at all, the fillers feel like fitting imo. I'll wait for more opinions on this.
5. 00:24:178 (8) - unlike 00:20:388 (6) - it doesn't have that guitar on it, it only has the hi-hat going. so to differentiate i'd merely put a circle instead i think the hihat deserves a slider
6. 00:26:388 (1) - the turn belongs here 00:26:230 (7) - as reference to the guitar. no reason to have it on 1, is there? it's on 1 because of the direction change. though changing it to there is a good idea, i tried something
7. 00:29:783 (4,5) - the turn should be on 5 rather than 4, reference to drums i think its fine. its more of a jump than just turn
8. 00:39:967 (1,2) - using two seperate sliders avoids putting the guitar on the slider end and would be consistent with previous sections i highlighted a guitar sound with the reverse slider
9. 00:52:914 (1,2,3,4) - i could understand if you put this because of the ride, but then you didn't do that on 00:49:125 (5,6,7,8) - . i don't see how they're different, so i'd also suggest making them follow the same concept this stream is leading into the guitar riff section?
10. and then 00:56:072 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - completely throws it up. maybe you're going just for variety with them? if you are, doing it like this comes of as random, so stickign to some rule would be good that stream is basically the same as 00:48:493 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8), only reversed.
    nc is used in direction changes
11. 01:00:178 (5,6) - i'd only use the second 1/4 slider as the heavy drum transition only happens there. you can enlong the stream by two notes and just hang it on there with the same direaction or slightly rotated anti-clockwise. that would result in a sharp angle much like how you have it atm as well and gives it a stronger impact i think it already gives a perfectly strong impact with the kickslider setup
12. 01:03:967 (5,6) - i can't tell what they're there for, if for variety, i'd advise to use other means again. if as a build up to the snare on 7, it's too long and 6 alone would be better as it has a more momentanous impact like that i used kicksliders in the streams in that section to emphasize it
13. 01:07:441 (1,2,3,4) - i'd chose a rhythm that puts emphasis on the guitar instead of just having some jumps to.. drum rolls that are usually just streams. http://puu.sh/w7wMw/40b8638496.jpg this would accomplish that. however you have other options as well in that like making 7 into a slider too or making 4 just a circle as the drums actually stop for a halfbeat. this variation does better for guitar as well as drum initiations same as last
14. 01:14:072 (1) - suggesting to turn it into two circles due to the kick on red which isn't there for the other two sliders, so it's a nice differentiation i used sliders representing the buildup by the guitars. i already used circles for the kicks every time before that one part
15. 01:18:493 (4,5) - as to stick with the concept of changing directions every half a meassure on regular beats, these might be better off ctrl g'd. if you don't want a stop on one you can just ctrl g 01:18:809 (1,2) - as well, works pretty well that does not seem to work that well imo, seems flow breaking
16. 01:19:756 (1) - 01:20:072 (2,3) - as follow up ctrl ging these individually makes it fit in with the direction change cocept too, which is a nice one to have ^
17. 01:24:967 (2,3) - just make them into a single slider for the kicks and guitar or at least bring 3 closer to 2. it hardly deserves as much ephasis with that weak constant background cymbal (for all i care you could just ignore it completely as it is fairly unimportant and just adds some fluency to the song via background noise). you put more on it than the drum beats or the guitar, which shouldn't be the case imo. same goes for other instances the cymbal isn't that weak?
18. 01:27:020 (8) - since it's two snares i do recommend using singles intead ok
19. 01:34:598 (9,10) - and then here i'd strongly advice using 1/4 sliders for the guitar rather than regular singles alright
20. 01:46:756 (2) - it's a tad awkward to play, in a way that doesn't really seem to fit in with the structure of the rest of the section to me, so ctrl g seems like agood thing to do i rotated it instead, seems better than ctrlg
21. 02:00:493 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - it's a continuous drum beat with no distinct sounds that call for turns aside the otherwise ignored rides. so having a sharp turn like this is questionable and something like a spiral might work better. furthermore you increased spacing for it.. the reason for which escapes me changing direction for variety, imo spiral would kill the emphasis in the end anyway. increasing spacing for a little buildup for the snare slam in the end?
22. 02:43:441 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the way you implement your turns in this stream changes here for no apparent reason. should be on 02:44:072 (9) - rather than 02:43:756 (5) - . by which personally i'd chose a way that captures every guitar hit rather than just a consistent some. especially not giving any sort of emphasis to the more unique sounds in the process like 02:40:914 (5,5,5) - is meh
23. 02:49:914 (5,6) - reverse object order, the emphasis is currently pretty messed up. ignoring the vocal and kick on 6's tail but giving a lot of emphasis on unimportant background kicks. occurres several times as well so if you fix it, do it everywhere kick on 6 is more important than the one it has on its tail.
24. 02:53:546 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this is not constant 1/4, the rhythm goes http://puu.sh/w7xL3/83a1231a7a.jpg changed, but you were not entirely correct about the rhythm. have you seen my username
25. 02:57:335 (1,2,3) - as much an advocat of uncomfortable movement i am, i see little purpose in it here. for the sake of the guitar wich you mostly mapped one directional already, which suits it well btw, id keep it up for these three notes too. this implies to do something along the lines of http://puu.sh/w7xWp/c41a5230f5.jpg . as a follow up somethign would need to be done on 03:10:914 (2,3,4,5) - as well changed first but i dont see how the other one is uncomfortable
26. 03:39:730 (6) - is not supported by the song blame drummer's stamina, im replacing with kickslider
27. 04:02:704 (1) - i think you can think for yourself what i'd be saying on this stream, similar things as on the previous one, the turns just seem arbitrary >:(
28. 04:11:862 (6) - notice the snare on the slider end? might want to do somehting with circles instead to capture that don't think it needs to be captured. just like in the other chorus
29. 04:17:388 (1) - turn on 04:17:546 (3) - instead it feels better to lead into the snare roll from 1 imo
30. 04:24:020 (6) - if this is on the vocal.. which is the only thing i can imagine it being on here, you might want to put one on on 04:24:493 (1) - as well while removing 04:24:178 (7) - in favour of circles instead wasn't that. but i changed the section to follow the drums like it should
31. 04:24:888 (6) - overmapped note ugh
32. 04:49:756 (2,3,4) - for proper emphasis http://puu.sh/w7yfL/5d90527fe2.jpg works better. both with heavy drum hits as well as the guitar as they line up, comes up on multiple occasions as well. you can still stack the last note on top of the tail of the last slider of the meassure to keep up the stack concept you have for those guitar sounds too. won't change that, it's focused on rhythm guitar
33. 05:02:072 (1) - ctrl g and maybe some minor shape and position adjustments for unified flow that rather breaks the flow
34. 05:21:966 (1,2,3,4) - decrease spacing as with 05:20:703 (1,2,3,4)no. on the first stream the guitar pitch goes down, on second it goes up
35. 05:29:861 (1) - i mean, nothing wrong with the part, but i'm sad you didn't continue on the guitar
36. 05:45:098 (9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - as to follow the guitar in more than just amount of notes http://puu.sh/w7yyV/4dd92acb48.jpg might work out better plays badly. [/revertedcolor]
37. 05:48:177 (3) - i'm not sure on this section of the map. i have trouble figuring out what exactly you're following. you skip a lot of the foreground guitar, so i assume that's not it. you map some long notes on the background guitar but on other occasions you don't. i assume you put a jump on the first of these 05:49:440 (7,8) - for the cymbal and snare. but the second one looks the exact same and doesn't really doesn't really follow the same sort of beat. i think if you just made those pairs into three circles, leaving the end of 8 open, it would make things much clearer.. if you're mainly going on the background guitar + drums that is. other variations of pulling it off are definitely thinkable too, using only circles with spacing and/or angle emphasis is just one option
38. 06:05:230 (1) - on these jumps, in the song 1s and 3s are the stronger than 2s. but your jumps don't really reflect that. 3s have slightly higher spacing, but 1s don't. the difference on 3s is also minor, so it lacks contrast and thus comes off as jump spam. i'd suggest trying to put 2s closer to 1s and having 3s and 1s on a simlar, larger spacing. on 2 and 3 the snare gets stronger so i increase spacing. i don't see the point in increasing it from 3 to 1 and decreasing 1 to 2, they are all nearly equally strong and important sounds
39. 06:37:756 (5,1) - missing a note inbetween intended. but i guess it fits
40. 06:39:966 (1) - since you're mapping the hi-hats, there's another tripple from the red inside this slider and 06:41:308 (5,6) - is a quint, 06:51:019 (8,9,10) - takes another note removed that last extra. there really silent hihat on red isn't necessary to map and i hear no quint. replaced the following slider with kickslider though, had hihat on blue
41. 06:43:124 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - on the other hand is just 1/2 6 has a hihat, 9 removed
42. 06:56:071 (1,2,1,2) - you recognised these as 1/3, but those are actually two 1/6 tripples, so i'd add thsoe two notes betweent he 1s and 2s. little meaning in simplifying this, heck it's even jarring since it plays the same as 06:56:703 (1,2) - rhythm wise, even if you make a movement distinction, which is only 1/3. reverted. Every single thing in the song doesn't have to be mapped. it also plays better with 1/3
43. 07:42:334 (11) - not supported by the song. if you want to go polarity you can use a 1/4 slider but personally i'd just go with a gap that would feel real awkward. it rather seems like the snare sound fades too much to be heard properly, probably better to keep the stream
44. 07:48:177 (1) - still 1/4, so it ends on the blue. also takes an 1/8 note between it and the next slider. dunno if you're up for that. personally i'd do it fixed. but the 1/8 is absolutely unnecessary.
45. 07:49:124 (1,2,1) - to hit the drum snare properly with the emphasis it deserves i'd either space 07:49:440 (1) - away more from 2 or make 07:49:124 (1) - a repeat slider spaced it
46. 07:49:861 (3) - hardly deserves the same kind of emphasis as the previous two notes. it's much less intense, so lowereing the spacing by a good amount would be appropriate moved it
47. 07:57:256 (3) - since you mapped this weak drum, you should also map it between those 07:56:071 (5,6) it feels way too out of place if i put it there
48. 08:04:598 (1) - turn it into another 1/4 slider for the snare? na
49. 08:16:045 (3,2,4) - overmapped notes, by which the 4 can be excused with the guitar if really needed weak drums that you missed,
    im keeping
50. 08:26:703 (3,4) - take another note between them. so using some sort of slider pattern probably does best here this is unnecessary
51. 08:35:071 (5) - put the slider on 08:35:229 (6) - instead no way. snare starts on 6, keeping that
52. 08:35:386 (8) - isn't on drums, so i'd do something make it stand out as on the guitar instead, or if you don't want to use the guitar as you've been skipping it on other occasions like 08:33:650 (1) - too, here you can just make it doubles too, would play nicely. weak drumssssss i keep it
53. 08:34:756 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - as a different option entirely you could also just do without the 1/4 slider and map a strema with turns on the vocals instead. which would let you manage that gap in the drums more easily
54. 08:38:387 (1,2,3,4) - lower the spacing. those are quite blatantly dropping in intensity from the previosu sets of 2. also makes for a nice contrast to the last two notes the whole section builds up for the last 2 notes.
55. 09:37:441 (2) - don't see why this one is a thing vocals
56. 09:48:177 (4) - there is no vocal (or anything else) on the start of this like on previous instances. recommending to either putting a note where the tail is or starting an extended slider in said spot sure
57. 09:50:704 (4) - also overmapped. you can simply reverse 09:49:756 (3) - if you don't want a large gap or longer slider shapes. but an extra slider is overkill replaced with large gap
58. 09:55:125 (1) - same with this, i don't see why you'd even go with an extended slider into it, giving more emphasis to a note that doesn't even exist in the song. unlike 09:55:756 (3) - it isn't supported by a vocal or a hi-hat like 09:57:651 (1) it fits.
59. 10:02:150 (5) - i'd chose a different spacing or not map it straight because that makes it very similar to your hi-hat bursts like 10:00:809 (1,2,3,4) - . making a distinction would be good i don't see why this is a problem. the hihat one is even curved.
60. 10:05:862 (4,5) - not necessary but using the piano in some way here could work out nicely since it is being followed otherwise anyway, even if it's just by lining up coincidentally it is lining up coincidentally, unnecessary
61. 10:20:072 (3) - use two notes instead for both distinct kicks with these being extended sliders 10:19:598 (2) - so they don't come off as the same. misrepresentative k
62. 10:22:362 (1) - for the same reason just with toms rather than kicks no, this stays. unnecessary doubles
63. 10:29:546 (4) - 1/4 slider for snares like the other ones in the same stream. alternatively you might also want to concider putting all of them on the snares rather than into them, just because you did it like that most if not all the times before here. pretty sure kick is with sliders mostly.
64. 10:30:967 (6,7,8) - reverse object order, notes first, slider after to follow up with 10:30:809 (5,9) - or change those two to follow up with the snare sliders from a moment ago did something
65. 10:32:546 (2) - there's a 1/2 stop in the drums, so a single would work better sure thing
66. 10:36:335 (5,6,7,1,2,1,2) - the rhythm goes more like. http://puu.sh/w7AGO/c03bc823ea.jpg so aside the 1/6 tripples there's other things to fix too. it plays better without 1/6s
67. 10:37:756 (1,2,3) - i'd really suggest increasing the spacing on those as they're such hard hits, harder even than 10:38:809 (5,6) - i'm quite sure the latter has harder hits. unnecessary

just gonna say again on a general note, that especially the stream turns overall need a more proper system behind them, right now they often come off as arbitrary as explained in one of the early points. it really stretches throughout the song

been a while since i last saw an avenged sevenfold map in this game, keep it up.

Catshy wrote:

Hello, M4M from my queue

Tragedy

1. You're kinda missing oportuninty to name the diff like one of their other songs/album maybe, but "Tragedy" has kind of become my main difficulty name
2. 00:24:809 (1) - the shape is kinda confusing imo; if you put last point to the other side it'll be clear how the slider goes not sure what you meant how to put the point exactly, but I changed it a little to make it more understandable
3. 00:26:151 (6) - not sure why do you change the direction here if the change in music is here 00:26:230 (1) i don't find it unacceptable
4. 00:45:414 (2) - I'd move the stream to make this stack with 00:44:309 (2) stacked, but with 1 instead
5. 00:45:572 (4,1) - I know you wanted to emphasize this, but the spacing is rather too big and unexpected; if you move the stream like I said above, it'll be just fine without removing the emphasis didn't look good with just the moving. changed the stream a little for stacking but didn't change the spacing much. it fits and plays fine
6. 00:45:651 - I don't think kiai is necessary here; if you want that "flash" effect, use SB instead nobody uses sb other than www tho but it fits imo : \
7. 01:35:546 (3,4) - the blanket could be improved here damn curvy slider now. improved
8. 01:53:546 (1) - remove NC but the last one concludes the drumroll with a sick snare. fitting nc imo
9. 01:54:809 (6) - this part is slow so I'd put NC on this to match other combos no. it's not really matching if i kept the same combo for all 6 beats in similar sections
10. 02:07:125 (1,2,3,4,5) - you should use those shapes more in this part (instead of few curvy ones) found 1 spot for the shorter sliders to fit well
11. 02:29:862 (1,2) - try to avoid overlaping like this (1 - over, 2 - under; it's fine the other way) as it looks rather bad didn't change but how can I overlap it the other way?
12. 02:56:230 (5,2) - not perfectly stacked yes it is you didn't see anything
13. 03:21:020 (1) - this is the only time when you use slider instead of 2 circles to express this sound circles
14. 03:32:072 (10,1) - I'm sure you can get better blanket than this yes im mr :b:rummer, master of blankets
15. 03:33:178 (3,4) - because of the stacking those 2 objects go off-screen; move 03:33:178 (3,4,5) - down by at least 4 pixels (ctrl+arrow down) sure. also pls teach more these damn keyboard shortcuts i love that shit
16. 03:56:704 (3) - if you move this to x:400 y:219 to "stack" with 03:56:072 (1) - it'll look better imo sure
17. 04:42:493 (1) - I highly recommend changing this into 1/2 slider or spacing following circles unnecessary. play well right now
18. 05:04:124 - there's no sound here; instead move it back by 1/4 for 2 doubles to match the rhythm here there is sound. guitar in the background fills the hole and it plays better with a triple
19. 05:19:440 (7) - again goes out of the screen; move the stack down by 2px yup
20. 05:29:466 (2,3) - rotate the slider for those two to create a straight line (currently the circles goes down a bit) sure
21. 05:37:440 - right now it's hard to tell what's the gap between two objects here; adding a circle at this point would make the transition between instruments you're mapping to smoother (possible circle placement) it's well readable. and it fits the music perfectly
22. 06:04:598 (1,2,3,4,1) - it's hard to tell it's 1/3; maybe make the reverse slider with red dot in the middle + space circles a bit spacing already makes it understandable that it's a little different, i don't find it necessary to raise it even more. also it's not that difficult to understand it from the first reverse slider either because of the length.
23. 07:11:387 (1,2,3) - again, it's hard to spot the rhythm change here (you use the same spacing for 1/2 rhythm); make the spacing for those three stand out by spacing them significantly or noticeable lower spacing) emphasizing that place, bulids up for kiai. it's well readable, i don't find that a problem
24. 07:15:650 (6,7,8) - stack this on top of 07:16:913 (4) ok_hand
25. 07:48:177 (1,2,3,4,5) - make the rhythm change clear the same way as I've said earlier no because consistency but i moved 07:48:492 (2) so 07:48:177 (1) would be in the middle of 2 and 3
26. 10:08:704 - , 10:11:230 - , 10:16:283 - make those notes clickable since you use different rhythm later on (10:14:072 (1,2) ) but that's not even the matching spot in the song lmao. still using the same style later on. 10:15:967 (4)

Amazing map, have a star thank you!!

Good luck c: x)


Edit: had to make few changes in mod because apparently I wasn't using updated version XD

Delk wrote:

Just a small observation:

the circle to slider at 00:45:730 feels like it flows terribly. I am not an experienced modder/mapper but it could be placed differently seems ok to me x)

TheKingHenry wrote:

Hello M4M from my queue~ EDIT: preferably mod this
[Tragedy]

Pretty nice hitsounds (atleast so far where I have seen) thanks <3
00:13:914 (1) - don't NC this, and then pattern 00:14:072 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - as groups of 2 instead since that's the emphasis the music is using im keeping the groups of three because the 6/4 measurement. feels more natural to follow imo
00:22:599 (9,10,11,12) - if you want to change the stream like this here, perhaps NC it like you did later with 00:33:335 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - for example. Or just keep the shape the same for all of these (like at first at 00:18:178 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - ) removed the nc on later one
00:25:756 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 00:29:546 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - kinda minor thing, but usually it would be recommendable to only stick with one method in these changes of shapes in streams. I don't mean how the first one is 6+6 and the latter one 8+4, what I mean is that at 00:26:151 (6,1) - the NCd note is the first one going to the next direction, whereas at 00:30:099 (8,1) - the corresponding circle is the one where the direction changes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
00:37:125 (1,2,3,4) - I think creating the illusion of triples with circle+circle+kickslider patterns would fit the music better, since it's more like the drum rolls and each gradually getting more quiet instead of getting the fuck down after the first sound, they are still pretty distinct (granted, the first sound at 00:37:125 (1) - is very strong compared to the rest) But I guess the current one works as well (and anyways what you do, apply to the following patterns that you have made the same, if the music is the same) keeping it
00:48:493 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the group of 8 should be divided to 2 too according to what you are following idk what exactly you meant here but anyway i reshaped it a little and removed nc from 00:48:809 (5)
00:52:599 (5) - NC doesn't really match anything i've done before so maybe not
And the same stuff again in this section for the same patterns
01:24:493 (1,2) - 01:24:493 (1) - needs to be slightly more curved for the blanket fixed
01:25:125 (3,1) - you've used overlaps so far too but this kinda looks little too much (maybe because both are sliders or smth) i use this kind of overlap more than just here. i think it's beautiful xd
01:34:914 (1) - if this shape is intenional, cool, but if you wanted to have proper wave slider, fix it intentional
01:51:967 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - it's emphasised as groups of 4 in the music, so you could map it that way too changed patters. also 01:52:046 (2) wasn't really supported by music so i removed it
02:39:335 - just group this as groups of 4 (or smth larger if you want) but just have it more stable, or then properly NC the emphasises you have done (like 02:40:283 (9) - and 02:42:177 (9) - for example, which are actually pretty lacking since they are following only couple ones of the mutliple similar sounding places in the section) idk i jst ncd everhtogn i hate mapping
02:45:020 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - definitely only circles for these sounds i don't see why they must not be sliders
03:17:230 - you could map smth more imaginative and interesting for this section (perhaps use spacing emphasis stuff for example) instead of slightly overmapping the rhythms with constant 1/2 overmapped..? i lack creativity sory, but it seems good to me
03:48:809 (6,7,8,9,10) - could blanket this with 03:48:493 (5) - ye definitely
04:02:704 - another of these sections, and the way you follow these feels somewhat inconsistent (as in how you choose what to emphasis and where to make the changes in the stream and that stuff. And how you NC what you do) ok idk i put ncs pls kil me
04:23:546 - just now noticed you haven't kiaid the drum fills. Why? If you want the cool kiai effect for when the vocals kick back in, just have the kiai pop off for one blue tick before the vocals come or smth. I would definitely kiai these drum fills too i see it as a little breathing room or something for the buildup to continue the chorus. idk aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i want to keep it
04:42:809 (1,2,3,4) - yeah for this it would cool to begin with smaller spacing and build it up towards 04:44:072 (1) - but keeping it low af for half the patterns doesn't really work, the sounds are already pretty strong now during this low spacing but dis goood (((((((((((((((((
05:05:861 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - could build up slightly more, so that 05:06:809 (1,2) - end up larger than this, feels little lacking atm don't feel like it's necessary to space it more
05:29:861 - okay this works too, but you could make smth really cool out of that solo guitar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
05:37:124 (2,1) - doesn't work with the same small spacing as 05:36:809 (1,2) - the rhythm will be confused to be the same when it's not it's readable .... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
05:38:703 (2) - those triangles you map begin already in the sliderend of this, and thus the current ones feel not right. Same with the other same patterns it plays well though aaa
05:47:545 - kinda random feeling patterning from here too. Add circle here and it will make more sense to start following the more eccentric rhythms after that (like, you have circle at that place for the following same patterns as well 05:50:072 (1,1) - ) Like, the current one feels very unintuitive considering how the guitar feels like the lead here (not following it is fine, but ignoring it when there's not other sound can just drop the player) 05:57:493 (4,1) didn't follow it here again because im following the drums and rhythm guitar.
06:48:492 (4,5,6) - would be a lot cooler if all of these were circles (basically remove the overmapped 1/2 sliderends) not overmapped.
guitar sound in the background.
06:56:071 (1,2,1,2) - there's 1/6 triples in the beginning of each beat, map them? If you don't want to map actual 1/6 triples (which might be wise in this case), mapping them as kicksliders and then the last 1/3 of each beat as circle and with fairly large spacing would make it pretty cool. Fairly large spacing meaning they are actually spaced out, not mapped with stream spacing. Smth like DS 2x perhaps) doesn't play that well, tried that before.
right now it plays beautifully
07:11:229 (4,1,2) - doesn't really work, they are about the same spacing for different rhythms, making anti-jumps out of 07:11:387 (1,2,3) - would be a lot better and provide cool emphasis as well i think it works great and has really good emphasis for the buildup
07:36:492 (7,1) - kinda ugly overlap, it's as if it's almost positioned "neatly" instead of overlap (like sliderend 07:36:492 (7) - exactly on the curve of 07:36:808 (1) - but it's not and thus looks kinda ugly) i stacked
09:09:650 - circles only for this would be better follows the same concept as these 04:08:388 (1,2,3)
10:33:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - way too high spacing compared to the rest of the sections which is somewhat similar but like half of this spacing lol. Be more consistent but epic emphasis
10:36:335 (5,6,7) - this is actually 1/6 not 1/4, map it the correct way (use kickslider if you don't want 1/6 burst). And then for 10:36:493 (7,1,2,1,2) - they are the same pattern that was already mentioned earlier: 1/6 triple and 1/3, perhaps map it the same way here first one ok i guess can do but not for the second part
Aside from those, it's mostly just the same things again

Good luck! thanks

1. Maybe lower AR to 9.3 or at least 9.4? It's only 190 bpm so 9.5 seems a bit high.
   
2. 01:02:072 (3) - the sound on the sliderend here is way stronger than on it's start, you mapped it as two circles before which I think is much more fitting for that reason.
   
3. 01:05:862 (3) - ^
   
4. 01:22:283 (1,2) - This pattern emphasizes 01:22:441 far more than 01:22:283, yet the former doesn't really stand out in any way, while the latter does. I think this would be a better fit
   
5. 05:03:966 (1,2,3,4) - This is snapped wrong, actual notes occur like this if I'm hearing it correctly. Use 1/8 kicksliders I guess. The blue tick after the first two notes could also be considered to have a note since the sound rather distinctly ends on it, if you used that to make a 1/8 repeat slider the clicking rhythm would be consistent which would probably be nice.
   
6. 08:18:492 (1,1,1) - NC spam here is unnecessary imo.
   
7. 09:25:914 - Isn't there a vocal here? Sounds like the "all" starts here.
   
8. 09:36:019 - ^ etc.
   
9. 10:33:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Why is this so extremely high spaced? To me it sounds weaker than most of the sounds surrounding it, and especially weaker than for example 10:51:019 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) -

LwL wrote:

chill map for chill song. Also great hitsounds. thanks!

from my q

1. Maybe lower AR to 9.3 or at least 9.4? It's only 190 bpm so 9.5 seems a bit high. it's not that high at all? it won't make that big of a difference either
   
2. 01:02:072 (3) - the sound on the sliderend here is way stronger than on it's start, you mapped it as two circles before which I think is much more fitting for that reason. the whole section where the guitar plays that melody is mapped the same way, the note in question is a slider before that part as well.
   keeping
   
3. 01:05:862 (3) - ^
   
4. 01:22:283 (1,2) - This pattern emphasizes 01:22:441 far more than 01:22:283, yet the former doesn't really stand out in any way, while the latter does. I think this would be a better fit fits better ye
   
5. 05:03:966 (1,2,3,4) - This is snapped wrong, actual notes occur like this if I'm hearing it correctly. Use 1/8 kicksliders I guess. The blue tick after the first two notes could also be considered to have a note since the sound rather distinctly ends on it, if you used that to make a 1/8 repeat slider the clicking rhythm would be consistent which would probably be nice. the way i mapped it plays really well here i think :/ the 1/8 option doesn't sound very good
   
6. 08:18:492 (1,1,1) - NC spam here is unnecessary imo. it's meant to make the slider length distinguishable, but idk, i need more opinions on this
   
7. 09:25:914 - Isn't there a vocal here? Sounds like the "all" starts here. no. the vocal should start on 09:25:756 according to the later parts so blame M. Shadows for singing a bit late hehe. also it sounds more like it's starting around blue tick, wouldn't play well at all
   
8. 09:36:019 - ^ etc.
   
9. 10:33:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Why is this so extremely high spaced? To me it sounds weaker than most of the sounds surrounding it, and especially weaker than for example 10:51:019 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - because this is the most intense drum fill in the song and i emphasize that a lot hey jus t look at me usernam

GL~ thank you!

8888 wrote:

hey, m4m from my queue

[Tragedy]

1. 01:00:493 (1) - maybe two 1/4 repeating sliders here instead? the guitar sounds are still quite distinct I actually never noticed the guitar sound there but it's really only because im a drummer and that snare slam is so sick. im keeping the emphasis on the snare
   
2. 01:56:704 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - maybe use some sort of repeating 1/4's here as well? the stream part is quite intense for not-kiai and also the pace of the song would suggest using some slower variations of streams. I wouldn't convert every stream into a slider though, just some of them in the middle of a stream f.e 4 note stream into a slider the same kinds of parts in the song are mapped like this, i don't feel like changing. also this same style appears later on in the song as well
   
3. 02:39:335 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) -
   04:02:704 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - i feel like this stream could represent the guitars/drums in a bit better way, like changing the direction when drum hits and use 1/4s? the first circle is 02:39:335 (1) -
   
   you woulda need to alternate between these 1/4 sliders and direction changes to follow the rythms in a song, obviously o no. this stream part is meant to kill your fingers like it kills the drummers legs
   
4. 03:09:335 (7) - id change this slider into a slighty curved to the left stream but leave the first three notes of it stacked i think it's great as it is,
   i also don't like to stack the first notes much when the stream continues
   
5. 03:20:072 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - maybe use 1/4 repeating sliders here to cover the guitar streams differently from drum streams? same deal as before
   
6. 03:56:546 (2,3) - why is this spaced differently than 03:55:599 (2,3) - ? try to make these spacings equal vocal emphasizes the earlier one
   
7. 05:04:282 (4) - maybe turn this circle into an extended slider with lower sv? not exactly the idea you had but i did put a slider here that maps the guitar sound at 05:04:440
   
8. 05:37:124 (2,1) - i dont like the large rythm gap between these, its not a mistake but it doesnt feel nice imo this is the best way to emphasize how awesome that place in the song is imo. the short pause is amazing and i want to highlight that
   
9. 07:57:098 - this gap is quite awkward as well awkward in what way exactly? there's nothing to map

Nice map! shooting a star, gl thank you!!

Flowziee wrote:

hihi m4m from my queue helo. i'll mod back on monday, working all weekend

First Look
Very nice mapping and streams are amazing. <3 Slider art reminds me of Kite's Uta map. Not a lot of huge errors. There are some questionable errors concerning flow but I'll let that slide. can u elaborate that flow thing..?

IMO, AR is a tiny bit too high while HP is very low. At least change HP to 7. nothing wrong with AR being 9.5. I agree that hp is a little too low but 7 is way too much. Increased to 5.5
For the streams in the entire map, try to add in 1/4 reversing sliders to the streams for variety in exchange for less difficulty. This is just to compensate stream aesthetics with slider aesthetics. no, i want to keep the streams mostly consistently without reversing sliders. i used some reversing sliders at times already anyway
01:59:546 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Honestly, this shouldn't be any different in spacing than 01:59:230 (7,8,9,10) since intensity of the song here is the same. ?? i don't think yu understand how intense this doublebass ride cymbal shit is that the drum plays. http://i.imgur.com/2uduaMY.gifv won't change
04:28:914 (5) - Works better with the flow if you flip it horizontally in the same position. true
08:48:808 (1) - Use better slider art here to compliment the next hitcircle. tried something
08:50:387 (1) - The sharp stream angle should be 08:50:071 (5) since there is a strong sound here. im pretty sure you meant 08:50:229 (7) instead because that seems more of a stronger sound, and yeah i did change that similar spot in the beginning of the song.

Other than that, I think it's a very well made map which uses simple concepts to its fullest potential. thanks!

ThePotatoAimer wrote:

hi there hello!

00:26:230 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - umm idk why you put a new combo here because on 00:21:967 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) there was no new combo the direction change/important guitar sound
00:41:546 (1,2,3,4) - same that shouldn't be there yes
00:43:756 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - there's new combo here too but not at 00:37:125 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) they are not the same. earlier one has sliders on blue tick, later one on white
02:41:230 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the new combo between streams aren't at an angle like the rest, doesn't give much feedback it is a small angle though. also spacing changes
05:25:756 (7,8,9,10) - didn't new combo this like 05:20:703 (1,2,3,4) but the earlier one had a sharp direction change, this one doesn't
07:07:440 (4) - this doesn't really match the circular flow hmmmmm it flows well though? i don't see a reason to change right now
07:12:177 (1) - i don't know why this is kiai time, it seems as mellow as the section before but it's beautiful, the drummer gets the ride bell involved in this section
07:19:756 (1) - same
07:42:177 (9) - maybe new combo sure
07:56:703 (10,11,12,1) - the spacing here seems pretty big for a 1/4 gap idk, it doesn't seem too big imo
09:09:334 (5) - maybe new combo this like the other streams in the map yeah i fixed some ncs around that section
10:00:493 (5) - make a 1/2 slider? the hitsounds also kind of threw me off (because of the longer length) there's no sound to end it on,
gonna keep it extended like this. also it makes it seem like it's holding the open hi-hat sound
10:01:125 (5) - same
10:33:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - spacing is kind of unexpected, maybe decrease a bit this is the most intense drum solo and culminates the song. i want to keep

this is definitely a really nice map, adding it to my favourites thank you <3

Garden wrote:

glad you request something like this to me <3

Tragedy

1. 00:13:441 (1,1) - minor one and even slider leniency would help avoid 100 but I still suggest you lower the spacing a bit so it doesn't look similar to previous 1/2 rhythm gaps lowered spacing.
2. 00:48:809 (5) - divide combo maybe? you did to other similar spacing changes in this section yes
3. 01:45:651 (5) - consider this rhythm pattern https://puu.sh/wDxvK/d7b927a6c8.png ? it made 01:45:651 - 01:45:809 - better emphasized while playing that's true, sure
4. 01:47:230 (1) - maybe ctrl-g? would make flow more natural imo nice. yes
5. 01:50:072 (1,2,3) - 1->2->3 movement is bit too sharp and requires a quick flow change at 01:50:546 (2,3) - , while the sound itself seems minor, so maybe you can try ctrl-g 3 so it breaks the flow at 01:51:020 (1) alright. i also rotated 01:51:020 (1) and ctrl g 01:51:493 (2) - to make it flow a little better after the change as well.
6. 01:59:546 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I somehow expect a stream with smaller spacing, why do you make it so hard here :\
   as a drummer this double bass + ride cymbal fill going on there is the most awsom shit ever and i want to emphasize that. lower spacing would kill the epicness of it
7. 02:09:493 (2) - minor, make it less curved so it looks similar to 02:09:967 (5,10) - in terms of visual, like 02:05:704 (2,5,10) sure
8. 02:15:178 (2) - whistle on body is intentional or a mistake? it seems the only one that has whistle in this part mistake. I have sliderwhistle disabled so i never noticed. checked the whole map and removed 2 more unintended sliderwhistles xd
9. 02:31:599 (6) - maybe move this note left so spacing from 6->1 can be larger and emphasize the vocal better sure
10. 02:43:441 - how you divide the drums suddenly changes here.. 02:39:335 - to 02:43:046 - is like o x x o x x o x x so 02:43:441 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this part should be redone imo ok i redid that part so it matches the previous one
11. 04:02:704 - ^ uh it seems more disordered here, maybe just me so I'd like to hear your thoughts about them lets be honest i suck at mapping it's unorganized. i remapped it to match the first one
12. 02:45:967 (1,2,3) - make it a flipping of previous combo like 04:08:388 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - so it flows differently? sure
13. 04:50:703 (1,3) - hey i don't usually like mentioning blanket stuff but since it's intended why not just make it perfect fixed
14. 05:18:177 (6,7,8) - shouldn't this be a spaced triplet instead? check your similar patterns o ye it should
15. 06:00:177 (1) - 06:02:703 (1) - if you focus on drums then these notes should be deleted like how 05:57:651 - is skipped i don't think so because 05:57:651 is skipped exactly like 05:47:545 is, focusing on the drum fills. rest of the section needs these guitar notes mapped to keep the section alive
16. 06:07:756 (1) - maybe it's personal preference, I recommend you move this down to around 500,300. since music is going lower pitch i'd like to see movement suggests it too o yes this is great
17. 06:30:177 (3) - the section is quite calm I suggest replacing the triplet with a 1/4 slider though this section is calm indeed, the ride cymbal gets a bit more intense there, also being supported by the guitar playing higher notes there, it could use a triple instead to intensify that
18. 06:36:177 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - similarly, I suggest using simple patterns instead similar response, ride cymbal is builds up and asks for a low spaced stream rather than sliders.
19. 06:45:177 (7) - move to somewhere around 80,340? 06:45:334 (8) - can be better emphasized yeh that's a better idea
20. 08:50:229 (1) - stream should suggest a turn at this note like 00:26:230 (1) - fixed
21. 09:11:545 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - since 09:09:650 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - is same, maybe they should be the same too? sure
22. 09:44:704 (3) - new combo for the slowdown? also cuz 09:44:230 (2) - is covering the slider tick so it's really hard to notice without actually playing but it's 9 mins now ppl would be mad if they break xD true but the velocity is not that high in the first place that it would make the player rush over the slider really quickly and miss the slider tick so i find it unnecessary. I'll leave it unchanged
23. 09:47:230 (3) - ^ make it consistent if you agree with me above
24. 10:00:493 (5) - hey i thought it's 1/2.. you can just make them closer it doesn't hurt visual imo moved
25. 10:33:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - great, but could use some more buildups, the stream spacing barely changes before this pattern so it came totally out of my expectation remapped the part, gets more intense now
26. 10:36:335 (5,6,7) - there can be a better alternative to simplify the rhythm, overmapping 1/6 burststream to the coming 1/3 drums is too sudden to me... it's not overmapped though, the drummer does play 1/6 there. also the whole section culminates the song, so for a final fill before outro using 1/6 would be pretty good? leaving it like that right now
27. 10:41:862 (1) - 10% = almost no feedback just increase volume a bit and you are good increased to 20
28. 10:45:966 (1) - delete nc like 10:49:756 (7) - yes

uh since map is super long, some points I raised can probably be applied to other spots too you can get it checked yourself.
And I'm interested in nominating, feel free to poke me for a recheck.