18:48 Rabbitt: yo I uh tried to mod your map the "I know" one (just to let you know)
18:54 Ora: thanks! I'll get to your map
18:54 Rabbitt: WOW THANK YOU
18:54 *Ora is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1331117 Shoji Meguro - Let Butterflies Spread Until The Dawn]
18:54 Ora: correct?
18:55 Rabbitt: yeah
18:56 Ora: just for future reference, its better to have a complete set before you start asking for mods
18:56 Ora: idk if u saw my reply to you on my post
18:56 Ora: i'll still mod tho dont worry
18:56 Rabbitt: what do you mean by complete set?
18:57 Ora: like a full spread of difficulties
18:57 Rabbitt: zooh
18:57 Ora: modders usually prefer this because it means the mapper is more serious about going for ranking
18:57 Ora: and that it's complete and ready for mods on all diffs
18:58 Rabbitt: so I should make another difficulty like a normal one?
18:58 Ora: the ideal set is to have a normal, hard, and insane
18:58 Ora: easy only if you really want one
18:59 Ora: and you want to try and keep a logical distance in star rating between each difficulty
19:00 Rabbitt: I've been mapping for around two months now but I've only started just now to see if I could get any of these ranked
19:01 Ora: ahh I see
19:01 Ora: do you mind if we do an IRC mod?
19:01 Rabbitt: IRC?
19:01 Ora: yeah I just do the mod in chat here 
19:01 Rabbitt: all these terms I gotta learn oh boy
19:01 Rabbitt: oh yeah sure
19:02 Ora: yeah I think it will be easier because there's some major issues with your map we need to go over
19:02 Rabbitt: oh boy alright
19:02 Ora: sadly you'll probably end up having to remap some
19:02 Rabbitt: yeah that's fine
19:02 Ora: so the timing of your map is pretty off
19:03 Rabbitt: how off?
19:03 Ora: and you have a lot of red points that are not needed
19:03 Ora: im gonna check now :^)
19:04 Ora: by the sound of it you will only need 1 red point
19:04 Ora: there's no multi timing
19:05 Ora: so delete all of your points except 1
19:05 Rabbitt: wait
19:05 Ora: and I'm going to tell you the BPM and offset
19:05 Ora: k
19:05 Rabbitt: now I'm confused
19:06 Ora: do you know how to find BPM?
19:06 Ora: of a song
19:06 Rabbitt: yeah
19:07 Ora: yeah so your bpm was off by about 3
19:07 Ora: it's 160
19:07 Rabbitt: damn
19:07 Rabbitt: I had it at 160 originally
19:07 Ora: D:
19:07 Ora: and the song only needs 1 timing point
19:07 Rabbitt: but I thought it felt wrong
19:08 Ora: the offset you got was really close
19:09 Ora: actually its pretty spot on
19:10 Ora: it looks like you wanted to use green points (inheriting ponts) but instead used timing points
19:10 Ora: which is a nono
19:10 Ora: if you want to change slider velocity, add in a kiai time, or whatever, you need to use inheriting points
19:11 Rabbitt: alright
19:13 Ora: also, your original SV that you have on the Insane diff is 0.8sv, on the timing tab
19:13 Ora: that's fine, but if you're going to do that you might aswell just map at half time
19:13 Ora: which would be 80BPM
19:14 Ora: and keep the SV around 1.7
19:14 Ora: 1.6-1.8 is really common for insane difficulties
19:14 Rabbitt: so the slider velocity should be a 1.7?
19:15 Rabbitt: wait no
19:15 Ora: personally I would use that
19:15 Ora: anything below 1 SV is only common for Easy/Normal diffs
19:15 Rabbitt: oh okay
19:16 Ora: if you want, search for a ranked map that you already have downloaded with similar BPM
19:16 Ora: and compare the SV that they use
19:16 Rabbitt: oh boy changing the slider velocity also changes all the sliders
19:17 Ora: yup which is why I mentioned u will probably have to remap D:
19:17 Ora: sadly
19:17 Rabbitt: ah okay
19:17 Ora: the BPM did most of the changing to your sliders
19:17 Ora: tbh
19:17 Ora: if you want to keep similar patterns
19:17 Ora: just resnap the sliders to the ticks on the timeline
19:18 Rabbitt: so just redo the sliders?
19:19 Ora: so you see 00:02:179 (3) - 
19:19 Ora: if you want to keep the same pattern
19:19 Ora: at the top just drag it to the right so it starts on the white tick
19:19 Ora: and then on the object
19:19 Ora: drag the tail so the tail ends on 00:02:554 - 
19:25 Rabbitt: okay
19:25 Ora: is it starting to sound better?
19:26 Rabbitt: yeah
19:26 Rabbitt: I didn't really notice it
19:26 Ora: it sucks that you'll have to remap some but its good that I caught you before you did more
19:26 Ora: and luckily its a short song
19:27 Ora: if you want, you can tell me when the map is complete and I can give u a good mod
19:27 Rabbitt: thanks
19:27 Rabbitt: you have saved my life :D
19:28 Ora: when I started mapping I was doing the same
19:28 Ora: we have all been there so dont worry too much :^)
19:28 Rabbitt: thanks a lot
19:29 Ora: In the future if you ever need help with timing a song, just shoot me a PM or try to ask people in #modhelp
19:29 Ora: its always better to get 2nd opinions on timing
19:29 Ora: before u start mapping
19:29 Ora: I still do it sometimes
19:30 Rabbitt: I'll do that next time and like seriously thank you for saving me before I did too much work on this
19:30 Ora: ^^
19:56 Rabbitt: so while I'm mapping this
19:56 Rabbitt: It doesn't sound right
20:05 Rabbitt: I don't think 160 is correct..
20:06 Ora: what do you think it is?
20:07 Rabbitt: at 160 the main beat is off by at least half a tick ( I think that's how I'd say it)
20:07 Ora: listen to the metronome in the timing tab
20:07 Ora: as the song plays
20:07 Ora: with 160bpm
20:07 Ora: it fits perfectly tbh
20:08 Rabbitt: wait
20:08 Ora: if you want a second opinion, ask in #modhelp chat
20:08 Rabbitt: offset
20:08 Ora: ohh
20:09 Ora: yeah i'm not good with offset
20:09 Ora: what you have now sounds really close to it
20:09 Ora: it may be off a couple miliseconds
20:09 Rabbitt: it is
20:09 Ora: but I have bad ears
20:09 Ora: if you change the offset it won't force you to remap
20:10 Ora: you will just have to highlight everything
20:10 Ora: ctrl +a
20:10 Ora: and move it on the timeline at the top
20:10 Ora: so it matches with the ticks
20:16 Rabbitt: aaaah I've spent all day working on thisssss my head feels like it is going to explodeeeeee
21:16 Ora: you're doing fine xD take breaks if u need
21:16 Ora: but remember, when you have it done just PM me for a mod
21:16 Rabbitt: maybe I'll remap it some day..
21:17 Rabbitt: (probably the day after tomorrow since tomorrow and the rest of today I'm working on a new map)