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Topic Starter
Enon
@Beomsan: 다 고침 ㄳ
@C O I N: 00:31:210 (1,2,3,4) - 이 부분은 00:31:750 (2) - 이걸 00:30:129 (3) - 이거 머리에다가 스택하려고 한거라서 옮기기가 좀 힘들 것 같네요. 나머지는 다 고쳐봤습니다.
@Sidetail: 익명의 스토리보더분께서 all fixed 하셨고 고맙다고 전해달라고 하네요. 노말 저 부분은 원래 힛사가 없어야 하는 부분인데 이상한 샘플셋이 들어가있었네요. 지웠습니다.
Kawashiro
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00:46:345 (1) - Use D:C4 W+C. Like 00:37:696 (1) - here. there is no reason for use different HS

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Topic Starter
Enon
@UnLock-: 앞에는 드럼4 클랩+휘슬이 들어갈만한 소리가 아주 작지만 있었다고 생각해서 넣었는데, 뒤에는 그렇지 않다고 생각해서 넣지 않는 걸로 했습니다. 감사합니다.
scanter
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01:15 
01:16 *Enon is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1305668 Nekomata Master - Sayonara Heaven [Normal]]
01:18 scanter: 00:51:750 (3) -
01:18 scanter: 이런거 좀 많이 보이는데
01:18 scanter: 슬라 뒤끝에 심벌즈같은거 넣는거 비추
01:18 scanter: 치는 맛이 안나여
01:19 Enon: 모든 난이도 거의
01:19 Enon: 공통으로 들어가는 힛사라 일단 냅두긴 했는데
01:19 Enon: 많이 별루인가용?
01:19 scanter: 하위 난이도에서는 좀
01:19 scanter: 그래여
01:19 scanter: 하드 이상부터는 워낙에 템포 빠르게 진행되다보니
01:19 scanter: 그럴 틈이 거의 없긴한데
01:19 scanter: 노말에서는 그래도 빈 구간이 많이 있어서
01:20 scanter: 어색하긴 하네요
01:20 scanter: 근데 이거
01:20 scanter: 개인적인 느낌일 수도 있음
01:20 scanter: 그 외에는 ㄱㅊ

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Topic Starter
Enon
@scanter: 다른 난이도에서는 그 부분이 clickable한 오브젝트로 배치되어 있는데 이 난이도에는 슬라이더 꼬리로 묻혀버려서 그런 것 같네요. 지워봤습니다 감사합니다!
Natsu
A few suggestions for the normal diff

IRC
2017-05-30 18:27 Enon: hey bro!
2017-05-30 18:27 Natsu: yo bro
2017-05-30 18:27 Enon: do you have time to have look a diff!?
2017-05-30 18:28 Enon: it is "Normal" diff
2017-05-30 18:28 Enon: i made it for diffs spread
2017-05-30 18:28 Natsu: sure
2017-05-30 18:28 Enon: so need to get some mod for it
2017-05-30 18:28 Enon: thanks!
2017-05-30 18:28 Enon: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1305668 Nekomata Master - Sayonara Heaven [Normal]]
2017-05-30 18:29 Enon: which mapset is this!
2017-05-30 18:30 Natsu: just the normal diff??
2017-05-30 18:34 Enon: yes!
2017-05-30 18:34 Enon: i made it fot the spread between beginner and standard
2017-05-30 18:36 Enon: please tell me if you find something looks bad
2017-05-30 18:39 Natsu: 00:42:021 (1,3) - less curved would looks better
2017-05-30 18:40 Enon: aww ;w; that aesthetic
2017-05-30 18:40 Natsu: yeah
2017-05-30 18:40 Natsu: btw
2017-05-30 18:40 Natsu: also you forgot a circle with clap here 00:50:399 (3) -
2017-05-30 18:40 Natsu: since you have one at the similar part in 00:33:102 (4) -
2017-05-30 18:43 Natsu: 01:26:345 (3,4) -
2017-05-30 18:43 Natsu: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8219197
2017-05-30 18:43 Natsu: this rhythm is a lot better
2017-05-30 18:45 Natsu: 01:30:669 (4,5) - here also, maybe change to this rhythm https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8219212
2017-05-30 18:45 Natsu: fit better the music
2017-05-30 18:46 Natsu: 01:40:129 (5,1,2,3,1) - all your map is really clean, without this pattern looks really messy
2017-05-30 18:47 Natsu: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8219236 maybe
2017-05-30 18:48 Natsu: the rest looks really n nice ç;
2017-05-30 18:50 Enon: thanks!
2017-05-30 18:50 Enon: i will try to apply the things you suggested!
2017-05-30 18:52 Natsu: naisu
Doyak
A few suggestions for the normal diff

IRC
2017-05-31 01:29 Enon: 안녕하세요 도약님
2017-05-31 01:29 Enon: 난이도 하나만 봐주실 시간 되시나요?
2017-05-31 01:29 Doyak: 네
2017-05-31 01:30 Enon: 난이도 분포 문제로 난이도를 하나 만들었는데
2017-05-31 01:30 Enon: 모딩 몇 개 정돈 받고 가야겠다 싶어서 ㅋㅅㅋ
2017-05-31 01:30 Enon: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1305668 Nekomata Master - Sayonara Heaven]
2017-05-31 01:30 Enon: 일단 맵은 이거에요
2017-05-31 01:31 Doyak: 사요나라 헤븐
2017-05-31 01:31 Doyak: 팔아요나라 헤븐
2017-05-31 01:31 Doyak: 어느 난이도요?
2017-05-31 01:33 Enon: 노말이요
2017-05-31 01:34 Enon: 키블레루가 비기너랑 스탠다드 사이 분포가 좀 위험해보인다고 해서 난이도 하나 만들라길레
2017-05-31 01:34 Enon: 금방 만들어서 좀 퀄리티가..
2017-05-31 01:37 Enon: 어느 난이도류
2017-05-31 01:38 Enon: 01:26:885 - 비기너 난이도에서 난이도 새로 만들기해서 그런지 이런 것도 따라왔는데
2017-05-31 01:38 Enon: 지우는 게 좋겠죠?
2017-05-31 01:39 Doyak: 피니시요?
2017-05-31 01:40 Enon: 피니시도 그렇고 샘플셋도 그렇고
2017-05-31 01:40 Enon: 저기 혼자만 들어간 것 같네요 지금 보니..
2017-05-31 01:41 Doyak: 그래도 저기는 충분히 피니시가 들어갈 이유가 있네요
2017-05-31 01:41 Enon: 아하
2017-05-31 01:42 Enon: 00:50:399 -
2017-05-31 01:42 Enon: 나츠가 여기를 비운걸 지적을 하던데
2017-05-31 01:42 Enon: 00:33:102 -
2017-05-31 01:42 Enon: 여기랑 비교를 하면서요
2017-05-31 01:43 Doyak: 그건 일리 있는 지적이네요
2017-05-31 01:43 Doyak: 제가 보기엔, 거기 이외에도
2017-05-31 01:43 Doyak: 좀 더 브레이크를 여기저기 넣어줘도
2017-05-31 01:43 Doyak: 괜찮지 않을까 싶어요
2017-05-31 01:43 Doyak: 지금 맵이 전혀 쉼이 없어요
2017-05-31 01:43 Doyak: bpm이 좀 느리기는 해도, 비기너와 어드밴스 사이의 난이도를 만들기 위해서 넣은 거라면
2017-05-31 01:44 Doyak: 실질적인 1/1 브레이크들이 좀 있는 게 좋을 거 같아요
2017-05-31 01:44 Enon: 뭐랄까
2017-05-31 01:44 Enon: 사이를 채운다고 만들긴 했는데
2017-05-31 01:45 Enon: 되게 박자가 단순하게 찍혀서 스탠다드와의 갭을 줄이기엔 역부족이지 않나 싶었는데
2017-05-31 01:45 Enon: 그건 또 아닌가 보네요
2017-05-31 01:45 Doyak: 사실 좋은 스프레드가 되려면
2017-05-31 01:46 Doyak: 어느 한두 부문에서 확 쉽고 어렵고로 결정할 게 아니라
2017-05-31 01:46 Doyak: 전체적으로 골고루 난이도의 변화가 있는 것이 좋은데
2017-05-31 01:46 Doyak: 예를 들면 노말에 3/4 왕복 슬라이더 같은 건 좀 더 써도 좋아요
2017-05-31 01:46 Doyak: 박자가 단순한 게 문제라면요
2017-05-31 01:47 Doyak: 그런데 노트 밀도상으로 보면 노말과 스탠다드와의 차이가 거의 없어요
2017-05-31 01:47 Doyak: 반면에 비기너랑 비교하면, 비기너는 거의 전체가 1/1 도배인지라 많이 공허하죠
2017-05-31 01:48 Doyak: 이건 좀 다른 이야기인데
2017-05-31 01:48 Doyak: 비기너에 대해서 살짝 지적하고 싶은 게 있는데
2017-05-31 01:48 Enon: 네네
2017-05-31 01:48 Doyak: 01:10:129 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - 이 26초에 달하는 구간동안
2017-05-31 01:49 Doyak: 박자에 변화가 없이 전부 1/1로 메워져 있어요
2017-05-31 01:49 Doyak: 이건 제가 볼 땐, 노트가 곡의 변화를 좀 반영하지 못하고 너무 기본박에만 충실한 게 아닌가 싶네요
2017-05-31 01:50 Doyak: 곡이 느리니까, 약간 1/2을 활용해도 괜찮을 거 같은데 말이죠
2017-05-31 01:50 Doyak: 어차피 뒤에는 1/2 전이를 연속으로 쓰고 있기까지 하고요
2017-05-31 01:51 Doyak: 뭐 이 부분에 대해서는 동의하시면 범산님께 전달해보세요
2017-05-31 01:52 Doyak: 노말에 대해서 몇 가지 말씀드리자면
2017-05-31 01:52 Doyak: 키아이에 들어가기 전까지 리듬 패턴이 계속해서 비슷하게 반복적으로 나타나는 경향이 있어요
2017-05-31 01:53 Doyak: 가령 00:33:372 - 를 기점으로 해서 이전과 이후는
2017-05-31 01:53 Doyak: 음악적으로 굉장히 다른 부분인데
2017-05-31 01:53 Doyak: 비슷한 모양에, 똑같은 형식의 박자를 구분 없이 이어서 쓰고 있어요
2017-05-31 01:54 Enon: 나름 차별화를 줘보려고 00:48:507 (1) -
2017-05-31 01:54 Enon: 이런 슬라이더들을 넣어보긴 했는데요
2017-05-31 01:54 Doyak: 네 그건 저도 눈치를 챘어요
2017-05-31 01:54 Doyak: 그런데 그게 너무 가끔 나와서
2017-05-31 01:54 Doyak: 오히려 저것들이 이 부분의 전체적인 리듬에서 벗어난 느낌을 받았어요
2017-05-31 01:55 Doyak: 차라리 저 소리들을 파트 전체적으로 좀 더 적극적으로 따라가게끔
2017-05-31 01:55 Doyak: 리듬에 변화를 확실하게 주어보면 어떨까 싶기도 하고
2017-05-31 01:55 Doyak: 00:37:426 - 같은 소리는, 이 부분이 전체적으로 앞에 비해서 분위기가 좀 가라앉았다는 점을 고려해서
2017-05-31 01:55 Doyak: 비워줄 수도 있는 부분이기도 하고요
2017-05-31 01:56 Enon: 00:38:777 (3) -
2017-05-31 01:57 Enon: 이런걸 파란틱에서 리버스하는 슬라이더로 바꿔줄 수도 있을 것 같네요
2017-05-31 01:57 Doyak: 네 그런 것들요
2017-05-31 01:57 Doyak: 00:33:372 (1) - 도 가능하고
2017-05-31 01:57 Doyak: 00:42:021 (1) - 00:47:426 (3) -
2017-05-31 01:58 Doyak: 그 이후로도 00:50:669 (1) - 등등 계속 있긴 한데 어떻게 할지는 제가 더 간섭은 안 하는 게 좋겠고
2017-05-31 01:59 Enon: 50초 이후부터는
2017-05-31 01:59 Enon: 어제 새벽에
2017-05-31 01:59 Enon: 리맵을 한 3시간동안 했던 부분이긴 한데
2017-05-31 02:00 Doyak: 뭐 지금 상태로도 무난하다고 봐요
2017-05-31 02:00 Doyak: 저 같아도 안 고칠 듯 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
2017-05-31 02:00 Enon: 00:33:372 -
2017-05-31 02:00 Enon: 이 부분부터는
2017-05-31 02:00 Doyak: 저는 그냥 제가 생각하는 좋은 방향을 말씀드린 거니
2017-05-31 02:00 Enon: 한 번 손을 봐볼게요
2017-05-31 02:01 Doyak: 01:05:804 (1,2,3,4) - 요런 리듬 말인데요
2017-05-31 02:01 Doyak: (2) 같은 경우는 filler beat의 느낌이 강해서
2017-05-31 02:01 Enon: spsp
2017-05-31 02:02 Doyak: 실제로 음악에서 그다지 중요한 역할을 하는 비트가 아닌데도
2017-05-31 02:02 Doyak: 노트 구성상 이쪽에 강조가 많이 되잖아요
2017-05-31 02:02 Doyak: 과감하게 비워보는 것도 생각해볼 수 있을 것 같아요
2017-05-31 02:02 Doyak: 실제로 01:07:696 - 에 비해서 상대적으로 많이 약하기도 하고요
2017-05-31 02:04 Enon: 2는 비우고 4는 두고?
2017-05-31 02:04 Doyak: 네
2017-05-31 02:05 Doyak: 생각해 보면 지금 이렇게 생긴 노트 박자를
2017-05-31 02:05 Doyak: 00:42:021 (1,2,3,4) - 와 같이 2, 4에 뚜렷하게 멜로디가 뒷받침해주는 것들이랑
2017-05-31 02:06 Doyak: 구분 없이 똑같이 쓰고 있어서
2017-05-31 02:06 Doyak: 그 부분에서 약간 단조롭다는 느낌도 어느 정도 있었어요
2017-05-31 02:06 Doyak: 00:20:399 (1,2,3,4) - 같은 경우는 박수 소리가 뒷받침해주는 게 있고
2017-05-31 02:08 Doyak: 노래 특성상, 노트로 구분을 해줄 만한 곳이 생기면 가능한 차이점을 두어 주는 게 반복적인 리듬 패턴을 피할 수 있지 않을까 싶네요
Topic Starter
Enon
Over suggestions are applied!
Natsu
Beom's Black Another
  1. 00:32:561 (3,4) - I'd make the drum sounds click'ables, maybe try this rhythm: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8262969 , anyways up to you, if you can explain your current one properly it would be fine, btw check enon's rhythm here, maybe that can work better?
  2. 01:34:453 (2) - this slider shape bothers me a lot, try to improve it, like: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8262990
  3. 01:38:642 (3,4,5,6,7) - the linear movement is a bit weird to play, can you try other pattern? also 01:39:183 (8,1) - the short spacing here doesn't fit the song.
  4. really good o.o
Another

  1. 00:51:750 (4) - the slider tick hitsound sounds so bad, reduce the volume of the slider tick
  2. 00:53:912 (4) - 01:00:399 (4) - 01:02:561 (4) - same
  3. your mapping improved a lot bro
Hard
  1. 00:30:669 (6,2) - the overlap looks really bad
Standard

  1. Slider ticks need lower volume, the ones with the cymbals on it
  2. AR feels super slow, use 5,5 instead
Begginer
  1. AR 3 OD2
Call me back
Beomsan
ok thanks
see ya later
Topic Starter
Enon

Natsu wrote:

Another

  1. 00:51:750 (4) - the slider tick hitsound sounds so bad, reduce the volume of the slider tick reduce it to 45%
  2. 00:53:912 (4) - 01:00:399 (4) - 01:02:561 (4) - same same as above
  3. your mapping improved a lot bro i am glad to hear that!
HardHyper
  1. 00:30:669 (6,2) - the overlap looks really bad i agree it may looks bad for someone. but it's really not matter for me and it would break the flow between these patterns and next objects if i change it.. i want to keep it if it's really not big problem :o
Begginer
  1. AR 3 OD2 fixed!
Call me back
thank you for coming :)
Beomsan

Natsu wrote:

Beom's Black Another
  1. 00:32:561 (3,4) - I'd make the drum sounds click'ables, maybe try this rhythm: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8262969 , anyways up to you, if you can explain your current one properly it would be fine, btw check enon's rhythm here, maybe that can work better? - fixed, I have no good idea tho
  2. 01:34:453 (2) - this slider shape bothers me a lot, try to improve it, like: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8262990 - sure
  3. 01:38:642 (3,4,5,6,7) - the linear movement is a bit weird to play, can you try other pattern? also 01:39:183 (8,1) - the short spacing here doesn't fit the song. - I didn't want to change it or something tbh cuz I HAVE NO GOOD IDEA FK anyways fixed
  4. really good o.o - Glad to hear that :D
Begginer
  1. AR 3 OD2 - I don't care about difficulty settings so ok
Call me back
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jieusieu

Natsu wrote:

Standard

  1. Slider ticks need lower volume, the ones with the cymbals on it
  2. AR feels super slow, use 5,5 instead
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 69318
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
EpilepsyWarning: 1
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 16075
DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 0.8

[Metadata]
Title:Sayonara Heaven
TitleUnicode:サヨナラ・ヘヴン
Artist:Nekomata Master
ArtistUnicode:猫叉Master
Creator:Enon
Version:jieusieu's Standard
Source:pop'n music 11
Tags:goodbye Beomsan jieusieu
BeatmapID:1147050
BeatmapSetID:516995

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:3
CircleSize:5
OverallDifficulty:3.6
ApproachRate:5
SliderMultiplier:1.3
SliderTickRate:2

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
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Topic Starter
Enon
All updated (jieusieu applied your mod except AR since AR 5.5 seems fast a bit for him)
if you need metadata confirming

IamKwaN wrote:

Unicode Title: サヨナラ・ヘヴン
Romanised Title: Sayonara Heaven
Unicode Artist: 猫叉Master
Romanised Artist: Nekomata Master
Source: pop'n music 11

References:
http://www.konami.jp/bemani/popn/gs/11/ ... index.html
http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/bm2dx/12hs/musiclist/
http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/nekomata_1st/index.html
Natsu
k

edit: Irre will be here soon
Topic Starter
Enon
Thanks :D
Beomsan
Cool
Azinlen
cool
Yuii-
Holder

(Cause every mapset from Enon and Beomsan needs to get touched by me >/<)
Beomsan
ehh
Topic Starter
Enon
baka
Yuii-
pls tell jieusieu to fix the hitsounds
do that

Super long mod coming through:

Normal

  1. 01:29:588 (3,5) - ew this overlap
Standard

Slider tick hitsounds are discouraged. If you want to use them, then make sure that their volume is balanced (i.e. notably quieter than regular hitsounds). A very loud slider tick, especially when only used once or twice, can be extremely jarring.
Slider tick hitsounds are discouraged. If you want to use them, then make sure that their volume is balanced (i.e. notably quieter than regular hitsounds). A very loud slider tick, especially when only used once or twice, can be extremely jarring.
Slider tick hitsounds are discouraged. If you want to use them, then make sure that their volume is balanced (i.e. notably quieter than regular hitsounds). A very loud slider tick, especially when only used once or twice, can be extremely jarring.

the sliderticks you are using on objects such as 00:48:507 (2) - have the same exact identical sounds to 00:49:588 (3) - . that's not good :(

01:12:291 (1) - omg no

just work on sliderticks please, they sound actually terrible
actually just work on hitsounding as a whole, 01:16:075 (2,1) - the volume of these is extremely loud

Hyper

  1. 01:19:858 (4,5) - visuals
  2. 01:36:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - WARNING! THIS IS A HUGE DIFFICULTY SPIKE THAT INVOLVES A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CLICKABLE CIRCLES, MAKING IT WAY TOO HARD FOR A DIFFICULTY THAT IS BUILT AROUND SLIDERS. If you do not want to get arrested, please consider nerfing this.
Another

beautiful!!!!!!!!

  1. 00:43:102 (4,5) - cool pattern, but due to visuals it looks like a 1/4 pattern instead
  2. 00:52:291 - 00:54:453 - 01:00:940 - 01:03:102 - eee debatable for an insane difficulty. the soft-hitfinish on tails is ew
  3. 01:18:642 (4) - 01:27:291 (4) - these 2 kill momentum quite a bunch
Beomsan's Black Another

Black Another whew, what a diff name

  1. 00:39:858 (1,2,1) - i don't understand this way of ncing!
  2. 01:08:687 (1,1,1) - minor, but would be nice if these were to be spaced further as there's an actual
  3. 01:34:994 (1,2) - not sure what are these following. you are trying to follow a certain instrument throughout the entire kiai and then you suddenly change that consistency :( there are many rhythms to solve this issue, though:
    a - http://i.imgur.com/GO2OoBT.jpg you stick to something easier, full follow the same consistent as previous patterns
    b - http://i.imgur.com/uFKvSny.jpg you actually map the "break" in the music, so players know this is supposed to be the part before the chorus again
    c - http://i.imgur.com/AUTqG85.jpg this is really edgy, but you'd be differentiating the sliders differently, as (2) really deserves to have both clickable sides
  4. 01:40:669 - please add something here!
  5. 01:58:912 (2,3) - i am completely fine if you were to do that on any other map to be hoenst. but you keep htis certain patterning of mapping triplets the exact same way as that pattern, so it can easily be misleading
[]

fix the hitsounds and call me back!
Topic Starter
Enon
it will be checked when i am free to do it c:

thank you for coming yuii father!!


Yuii- wrote:

Normal

  1. 01:29:588 (3,5) - ew this overlap I understand the pattern might be confused for players. but, I think it's enough visible. and, I should change the patterns which is connected to this pattern if i change this pattern.
Hyper

  1. 01:19:858 (4,5) - visuals I have denied changing it for a while, since I don't see it's a problem and I like it!
  2. 01:36:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - WARNING! THIS IS A HUGE DIFFICULTY SPIKE THAT INVOLVES A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CLICKABLE CIRCLES, MAKING IT WAY TOO HARD FOR A DIFFICULTY THAT IS BUILT AROUND SLIDERS. If you do not want to get arrested, please consider nerfing this. It's for the proper spread between standard and another. the set would have spread issue if I nerf this.
Another

beautiful!!!!!!!!

  1. 00:43:102 (4,5) - cool pattern, but due to visuals it looks like a 1/4 pattern instead I don't see any problem with it.... It seems (5) has enough distance from (4).
  2. 00:52:291 - 00:54:453 - 01:00:940 - 01:03:102 - eee debatable for an insane difficulty. the soft-hitfinish on tails is ew actually, i don't get it what you wanna say is.. is the stack problem? or just are the hitsounds problem?
  3. 01:18:642 (4) - 01:27:291 (4) - these 2 kill momentum quite a bunch that's fine for this diff imo :O
[]

fix the hitsounds and call me back!
thank you for the modding, i denied all of them though. feel free to contact me if you want to discuss about that.
Beomsan

Yuii- wrote:

Beomsan's Black Another

Black Another whew, what a diff name - owo

  1. 00:39:858 (1,2,1) - i don't understand this way of ncing! - yes it was quite fked
  2. 01:08:687 (1,1,1) - minor, but would be nice if these were to be spaced further as there's an actual - This is a little hard work, and there is no motive i guess. its fine to me!
  3. 01:34:994 (1,2) - not sure what are these following. you are trying to follow a certain instrument throughout the entire kiai and then you suddenly change that consistency :( there are many rhythms to solve this issue, though:
    a - http://i.imgur.com/GO2OoBT.jpg you stick to something easier, full follow the same consistent as previous patterns
    b - http://i.imgur.com/uFKvSny.jpg you actually map the "break" in the music, so players know this is supposed to be the part before the chorus again
    c - http://i.imgur.com/AUTqG85.jpg this is really edgy, but you'd be differentiating the sliders differently, as (2) really deserves to have both clickable sides
  4. 01:40:669 - please add something here!
  5. 01:58:912 (2,3) - i am completely fine if you were to do that on any other map to be hoenst. but you keep htis certain patterning of mapping triplets the exact same way as that pattern, so it can easily be misleading - I think there is no "problem" with this. I know this is easy to mislead, but it is only a possibility that "it can be misleading" that does not mean "problem" ............I guess (hopefully D:). I have expressed my feelings when hear this part and I think this can be accepted enough. (I can't explain well tbh ;_; anyways it means it's fine to me)
no reply = fixed
If the parts I haven't fixed are big problems, please let me know
thank you!

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Crimmi
Also, shouldn't the source be pop'n music 11 CS?
https://remywiki.com/PnM_AC_11

https://remywiki.com/PnM_CS_11
Topic Starter
Enon
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/6056050

it has been confirmed by kwan though. i will ask to her once more


KwaN wrote:

i have listed some links. none of them showing CS at the back.

http://www.konami.jp/bemani/popn/gs/11/ ... index.html
http://www.konamistyle.jp/sp/nekomata_1st/index.html

especially the official website of CS thingy listed on remywiki shows no CS at the back.

http://www.konami.jp/bemani/popn/gs/11/index.html

have no idea where the CS thingy comes from.

so don't recommend you to change.
I hope it would be enough answer for you.
jieusieu

Yuii- wrote:

Standard

Slider tick hitsounds are discouraged. If you want to use them, then make sure that their volume is balanced (i.e. notably quieter than regular hitsounds). A very loud slider tick, especially when only used once or twice, can be extremely jarring.
Slider tick hitsounds are discouraged. If you want to use them, then make sure that their volume is balanced (i.e. notably quieter than regular hitsounds). A very loud slider tick, especially when only used once or twice, can be extremely jarring.
Slider tick hitsounds are discouraged. If you want to use them, then make sure that their volume is balanced (i.e. notably quieter than regular hitsounds). A very loud slider tick, especially when only used once or twice, can be extremely jarring.

the sliderticks you are using on objects such as 00:48:507 (2) - have the same exact identical sounds to 00:49:588 (3) - . that's not good :(

01:12:291 (1) - omg no

just work on sliderticks please, they sound actually terrible
actually just work on hitsounding as a whole, 01:16:075 (2,1) - the volume of these is extremely loud
I cant tell if you're joking or not cause I cant speak english but ok anyway.
I cant tell if you're joking or not cause I cant speak english but ok anyway.
I cant tell if you're joking or not cause I cant speak english but ok anyway.

adv
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replaced and added some samples. pls add them to the map folder
Topic Starter
Enon
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* you need to redownload the set
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Enon wrote:

Yuii- wrote:

Normal

  1. 01:29:588 (3,5) - ew this overlap I understand the pattern might be confused for players. but, I think it's enough visible. and, I should change the patterns which is connected to this pattern if i change this pattern. - nah, it's not going to confuse anyone whatsoever, i testplayed the pattern many times. it's not about playability, it's about how awkwardly it looks, how it doesn't match anything else on the map
Hyper

  1. 01:19:858 (4,5) - visuals I have denied changing it for a while, since I don't see it's a problem and I like it! - again, this looks terrible, avoid it, even if you have to sacrifice some distance
  2. 01:36:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - WARNING! THIS IS A HUGE DIFFICULTY SPIKE THAT INVOLVES A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CLICKABLE CIRCLES, MAKING IT WAY TOO HARD FOR A DIFFICULTY THAT IS BUILT AROUND SLIDERS. If you do not want to get arrested, please consider nerfing this. It's for the proper spread between standard and another. the set would have spread issue if I nerf this. - another http://i.imgur.com/diuzxKf.jpg vs hyper http://i.imgur.com/57AWGql.jpg . do you understand why is it a difficulty splke? it's unrankable
Another

beautiful!!!!!!!!

  1. 00:43:102 (4,5) - cool pattern, but due to visuals it looks like a 1/4 pattern instead I don't see any problem with it.... It seems (5) has enough distance from (4). - why did i say this
  2. 00:52:291 - 00:54:453 - 01:00:940 - 01:03:102 - eee debatable for an insane difficulty. the soft-hitfinish on tails is ew actually, i don't get it what you wanna say is.. is the stack problem? or just are the hitsounds problem? - i was drunk probably
  3. 01:18:642 (4) - 01:27:291 (4) - these 2 kill momentum quite a bunch that's fine for this diff imo :O - you know, the problem is that there is absolutely nothing in the music. there's nothing. look at the other difficulties, nobody mapped it because there is absolutely no reason to do so :(

Beomsan wrote:

Yuii- wrote:

Beomsan's Black Another

Black Another whew, what a diff name - owo

  1. 00:39:858 (1,2,1) - i don't understand this way of ncing! - yes it was quite fked
  2. 01:08:687 (1,1,1) - minor, but would be nice if these were to be spaced further as there's an actual - This is a little hard work, and there is no motive i guess. its fine to me! - don't ask me, but i stopped writing halfway through, that's weird of me. this was most likely a suggestion, but i strongly believe the second pair should be more emphasized, because they are louder than the first ones?
  3. 01:34:994 (1,2) - not sure what are these following. you are trying to follow a certain instrument throughout the entire kiai and then you suddenly change that consistency :( there are many rhythms to solve this issue, though:
    a - http://i.imgur.com/GO2OoBT.jpg you stick to something easier, full follow the same consistent as previous patterns
    b - http://i.imgur.com/uFKvSny.jpg you actually map the "break" in the music, so players know this is supposed to be the part before the chorus again
    c - http://i.imgur.com/AUTqG85.jpg this is really edgy, but you'd be differentiating the sliders differently, as (2) really deserves to have both clickable sides
  4. 01:40:669 - please add something here!
  5. 01:58:912 (2,3) - i am completely fine if you were to do that on any other map to be hoenst. but you keep htis certain patterning of mapping triplets the exact same way as that pattern, so it can easily be misleading - I think there is no "problem" with this. I know this is easy to mislead, but it is only a possibility that "it can be misleading" that does not mean "problem" ............I guess (hopefully D:). I have expressed my feelings when hear this part and I think this can be accepted enough. (I can't explain well tbh ;_; anyways it means it's fine to me) - read from p/5628927 this post onwards, i even made a discussion on the mentorship program about how you are not supposed to do these gimmicks because they are introduced poorly t/560786
additional things:

normal

01:49:048 (1,2) - vs 01:57:696 (1,2) - yeah, the second rhythm makes more sense

standard

01:16:345 - 01:16:885 - 01:33:642 - 01:34:183 - etc. using finishes on tails is counterproductive and really not a good idea in these cases, please, consider removing 'em

hyper

01:40:669 - aren't you missing a drum sampleset?

the hardest

00:38:777 (4) - 00:47:426 (5) - this is a question but emm, mind you explain to me what are you exactly following? i think http://i.imgur.com/nxqAhlM.jpg this makes more sense
01:34:994 (1,2) - may you reply to this? l o l

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Beomsan

Yuii- wrote:

Beomsan's Black Another

Black Another whew, what a diff name - owo

  1. 00:39:858 (1,2,1) - i don't understand this way of ncing!
  2. 01:08:687 (1,1,1) - minor, but would be nice if these were to be spaced further as there's an actual - don't ask me, but i stopped writing halfway through, that's weird of me. this was most likely a suggestion, but i strongly believe the second pair should be more emphasized, because they are louder than the first ones? - honestly, I don't really think the second one is stronger than the first one. this is just clearly a difference in thinking so it is unreasonable(?) for me to explain this.
  3. 01:34:994 (1,2) - not sure what are these following. you are trying to follow a certain instrument throughout the entire kiai and then you suddenly change that consistency :( there are many rhythms to solve this issue, though:
    a - http://i.imgur.com/GO2OoBT.jpg you stick to something easier, full follow the same consistent as previous patterns
    b - http://i.imgur.com/uFKvSny.jpg you actually map the "break" in the music, so players know this is supposed to be the part before the chorus again
    c - http://i.imgur.com/AUTqG85.jpg this is really edgy, but you'd be differentiating the sliders differently, as (2) really deserves to have both clickable sides
  4. 01:40:669 - please add something here!
  5. 01:58:912 (2,3) - i am completely fine if you were to do that on any other map to be hoenst. but you keep htis certain patterning of mapping triplets the exact same way as that pattern, so it can easily be misleading - read from p/5628927 this post onwards, i even made a discussion on the mentorship program about how you are not supposed to do these gimmicks because they are introduced poorly t/560786 - This is very painful for me :( lol
additional things:

the hardest

00:38:777 (4) - 00:47:426 (5) - this is a question but emm, mind you explain to me what are you exactly following? i think http://i.imgur.com/nxqAhlM.jpg this makes more sense - because 00:39:318 - this. there are three reasons for this.
1. 00:39:318 - I wanted to catch this sound.
2. I also wanted to catch the bamboo flute(???? idk what this is) sound.
3. I wanted to make it a natural flow(including rhythm) without breaking the above things.

01:34:994 (1,2) - may you reply to this? l o l - I think you have suggested about rhythm. and 01:34:318 (2,3) - It's changed to be consistent.
01:16:615 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 01:25:264 (1,2,3,1,2,1) - / 01:33:912 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I could have accepted your suggestion, but I thought about it myself, and this is the result :D


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thank you

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Topic Starter
Enon
ppppppopooppppooppooooooopopppoppppppppppppppp
jieusieu

Yuii- wrote:

standard

01:16:345 - 01:16:885 - 01:33:642 - 01:34:183 - etc. using finishes on tails is counterproductive and really not a good idea in these cases, please, consider removing 'em
that's a good point. thank you for checking
adv
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Title:Sayonara Heaven
TitleUnicode:サヨナラ・ヘヴン
Artist:Nekomata Master
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hitclap90
hitwhistle90
Topic Starter
Enon

Yuii- wrote:

after 2 weeks z

!!

Normal

  1. 01:29:588 (3,5) - ew this overlap I understand the pattern might be confused for players. but, I think it's enough visible. and, I should change the patterns which is connected to this pattern if i change this pattern. - nah, it's not going to confuse anyone whatsoever, i testplayed the pattern many times. it's not about playability, it's about how awkwardly it looks, how it doesn't match anything else on the map ok then fixed it
Hyper

  1. 01:19:858 (4,5) - visuals I have denied changing it for a while, since I don't see it's a problem and I like it! - again, this looks terrible, avoid it, even if you have to sacrifice some distance i finally fixed it
  2. 01:36:075 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - WARNING! THIS IS A HUGE DIFFICULTY SPIKE THAT INVOLVES A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CLICKABLE CIRCLES, MAKING IT WAY TOO HARD FOR A DIFFICULTY THAT IS BUILT AROUND SLIDERS. If you do not want to get arrested, please consider nerfing this. It's for the proper spread between standard and another. the set would have spread issue if I nerf this. - another http://i.imgur.com/diuzxKf.jpg vs hyper http://i.imgur.com/57AWGql.jpg . do you understand why is it a difficulty splke? it's unrankable LOL, i still don't see any problem here though! it's funny to see the word "UNRANKABLE" here while it's even not violating the rules. i do not believe that natsu is a baka who not checking whether it's unrankable issue. i agree the part in hyper diff is filled out with many circles and might be more excessive than another. but, the part in another is also filled out with many objects and has huge jump which even couldn't be compared to the part in hyper. i am sure that the part in another is absolutely harder, more insane than hyper. i believe you would be understanding with this.
Another

beautiful!!!!!!!!

  1. 01:18:642 (4) - 01:27:291 (4) - these 2 kill momentum quite a bunch that's fine for this diff imo :O - you know, the problem is that there is absolutely nothing in the music. there's nothing. look at the other difficulties, nobody mapped it because there is absolutely no reason to do so :( it was really really really really really really really really really really really really really really a little sound though, i could hear something there.

additional things:

normal

01:49:048 (1,2) - vs 01:57:696 (1,2) - yeah, the second rhythm makes more sense fixed

hyper

01:40:669 - aren't you missing a drum sampleset? nah, i didn't aim to set drum sampleset here as you could see the same part in another.

[]

call me back again!!! please come back right now :o
thanks
Natsu
that's not unrankable enon o.o, just fix if you agree with him
Yuii-
of course it's not unrankable; but you'd be surprised by the amount of people you can trick if you tell them it's "unrankable". let me spoil you: everyone changes it

there's like... what? 2/3 "unrankable" issues when placing objects? hell, even a terrible-looking map can get qualified and it'll have nothing "unrankable" on it, other than the fact that it /will/ look really bad. i'm not saying this map looks bad at all, because it really is a good map... but it has that one problem

problem being is that pattern IS an issue, something i really cannot ignore. why though? because it's a difficulty spike on hyper and it's a spike in terms of the spread, it hurts that there's so many clickable objects, it'll throw people off because the map is nowhere near /that/ hard

i'm fine with the rest of the changes
Beomsan
01:40:669 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I have fixed this part very slightly
cuz this was not a good flow D;
this may not be a big improvement over the previous one lul

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Yuii-
thanks for posting, beom

i just realized how dense 01:39:318 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - is, and i don't really understand what are you following compared to the rest of the map
well, i do understand what are you following with individual objects, but as a whole, it is really inconsistent with the rest of the map

this is what you would normally do http://i.imgur.com/I0jy30G.jpg , but you are mapping it in a complete different way, more clickable-heavy compared to the rest. for reference, 01:13:372 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:22:021 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:29:588 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 01:31:750 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - etc etc
Beomsan
@Yuii-
that's just simple thing to me.
01:36:075 - The "change" starts here, I think this can explain most things.
that means I think I don't need to remain consistent on 01:39:318 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this place. because it has already made a big difference before.
also, 01:14:048 - 01:14:318 - / 01:22:696 - 01:22:967 - etc / and 01:39:994 - 01:40:264 - there is a difference in volume and Intensity of sound(?) between these things I guess. I can quite clearly distinguish it.

The most important thing is that I have a lot of interest to the changes in the sounds of this part. I can never express this part as basic(or normal) way.
umm... so I'll not consider consistency in this part, I guess.

thanks :D

p.s. I have definitely tried something "unusual" on this map.
admit that, but I think most of them can be accepted well. seriously.
Topic Starter
Enon
OK, I fixed that part in hyper and updated Beomsan's difficulty.

I think we're ready to go forward now.
Yuii-
enon: i would love to re-bubble it but 01:37:966 (4,5) - (hyper) is unrankable
and by unrankable i mean... UNRANKABLE 101%
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