SakuraKaminari wrote:
Let me answer you question with a question, why map an extra at all? Why map any content beyond the first two difficulties? It's not necessary for rank.
As the name implies, the "extra" difficulty is an addition. An addition for when your Insane is not using the entirety of the song and you can still make something different out of it.
I am not referring to stupid Extra diffs that just take an Insane rhythm and overspace it to reach a different SR (I could make plenty of examples here, but let's not be assholes and publicly say which mappers suck in this regard, shall we?).
As for the other diffs aside from the two required by RC I can say that just two diffs would make a too large spread on most modern songs, if that was the point of the question.
The whole problem lies in the mentality of what a spread is and how it should work.
Right now it is seen as a playground, where all the kids gather and play together and you obviously think "why shouldn't I be allowed to join too?"
As I see it instead, it is more of a business-like sort of thing. Ranked maps are representing the "official" content of the game and I would like to ask you how many games you see out there giving the player a shitton of redundant content?
Maybe the word "business" is a bit too much and can make other arguments start even if there is no need for it, but it is a way to say that the current mentality is too lax and easy-going.
It is a game, I know, but the official part of the game is still something serious. No one says you can't map anyway and upload your stuff, it just doesn't belong to the "official" part of it (if really mapping is all what you want, but we know mappers don't map just for the "pleasure" of mapping, right?)
Going back to my example with all those Extra diffs...
Those diffs shouldn't even be used for new spreads, considering they do not provide that much variation from the main and first spread, so no, making more spreads is not what I was implying.
I was implying that instead they could map another song. I'm pretty sure every mapper has quite a few songs they want to map (I do too) and the fact that someone is already mapping that in a similar-enough-way to your mapping should be enough to make you prioritize other songs, instead of jumping on the latest anime hype train and do the same stuff other 2346200920356 mappers could do.
SakuraKaminari wrote:
Why would you turn down having more ranked quality content for players to enjoy?
"Quality"?
Is "more diffs" quality for you?
As I said above, the mentality is off here imo. There has been discussion about this in the thread and it all boils down to "if I want more quality content why are those GDers not making a spread? It would mean more content, right?" so let's not go again at it.
I can't help it but to imagine how this situation would turn out in the real world...
What if you were... let's say a designer or an artist or even just anything involving creativity.
What are the chances that a well known or even just a normal agency dealing with your field of interest would take you in? And based on what requirements?
Take a book: what are the chances you will read a book similar (as in, almost identical) to one you just read?
What are the chances the publisher would even want such a title to begin with if it was already done by someone else before?
osu! is not such a business and this might taking it too far, but in real life creators are bound to make NEW things, not replicating endlessly already done stuff, otherwise they won't sell anything. They won't gain anything, which is in fact what happens when I see a new ranked map with a shitton of diffs.
If we exclude the style the main spread could have (let's not open another can of worms since even here we might say that a lot of maps are too similar, even tho the song changes) what I usually do is opening the first diff, look at it till the end, then open a second one look at the first 30 seconds and noticing no apparent difference I simply delete the map.
You may argue "why don't you look to the entire thing?", but that is because in the past year I haven't seen such revolutions nor surprises, so I just assume the rest would be similar. Don't get me wrong, I do give a chance to every diff, but 30 secs in and you can already see what is going on.
If you as a mapper even have a pride you'll probably not like to have your creation treated as a disposable object, right?
Apparently not many mappers have such pride tho, so yeah... keep going guys! We need more quality content!
Shad0w1and wrote:
SakuraKaminari wrote:
Now we have 6 dupes all being speedranked against each other!
!!!!
Truly great, huh?
Who have guessed that people doesn't even look around them to notice they are not contributing as much as they imagined
Mapping is free for everyone, but ranking is a privilege for the most notable maps, not a right for any "decent map" out there
@Shadowland
Your proposal is just promoting more idiotic sets, since the only thing I need to do is adding enough diffs to make it so all the diffs become "allowed"
I have 5 extra diffs, which means I need a total of 15 diffs and there we go, problem solved, right? 5 is 1/3 of 15 so...
My question is once again WHY all those diffs need to be there to begin with, assuming they will most likely use similar rhythms and mapping techniques?