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Scarlet Evans

Ohrami wrote:

also how the hell do you determine how good someone is at sight-reading?
If you go through this topic some more, you will notice that probably no one really knows how exactly things work here, except the people that work on it.
Over these 70+ pages, many people were trying to ask about some more detailed info on how different things work, but devs are very reluctant in giving any detailed info about their algorithms, as if they were anxious that someone could steal their work or try to analyze it and give them some helpful ideas about how to improve it.

Nevertheless, if we put some extreme maps aside, it looks like "sight-reading" is mostly pure Approach Rate (AR).

Exampe: take a look at this easy map:

Hashimoto Yukari - Lost my pieces [Cry] 1.67*

With +DT,HR it's 2.35* | AR 10.87 map.

I just made a weak pass on it, with about 2/3 combo (136/200) and 88.46% accuracy:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8071092

This gave me 652 points to Sight-reading (Reaction) skill.

It's much more than Cookiezi's almost 8 stars Hidden FC on Wagakki Band - Tengaku (and only NoMod+ FC as for now), because who needs ability to sightread and react fast on dynamic and gimmick maps like Tengaku.
Everyone knows that, only because AR is slightly higher, single-tapping very low BPM 2* maps with objects very close to each other requires much better reaction and sight-reading than big and fast, complex ~8* back-and-forth jumps. Right?

EDIT:

Sorry for being cynical, I don't mean to make fun out of someone or anything, but it was already being brought more than few times and I really think that you should explain better what certain things do.

Laconic information like "Streaming", "Sight-reading" etc. are really ambiguous and open on interpretations. There's also almost nothing in FAQ, so people don't understand how this works, what the skills do, why their recent play doesn't give them anything etc. Some people will come here to ask you, but you always give an impression that you don't really want to tell anything about how skills works, as if it was to be something very Top Secret.

An example about what I mean by confusing:
What do you do, if you play without music? Yes, many people would tell that you are "sightreading". It can be even more challenging on lower AR maps or even more on extremely gimmick ones, like AR0 Spelunker.
Some people will say that it's "reading", but "reading" could be divided into few different sub-factions that are also mutual synergies to each other.
Sight-reading could be say to base much on reaction, but its not just reaction. It's can also be heavily dependent on ability to process visual information and interpret it without the need to depend on the music.

However, you don't need to play without music to sightread. What happens, when you play the song that you never played before, which often changes in unpredicted manner? If you know, how to sight-read, you will be able to adopt to this and click correctly, basing on visual information, then eventually understand how it was fitting to music afterwards, without knowing it beforehand.

Also, there are many old maps, where timing, BPM and other things, like notes placements, are inaccurate or just "bad", so people have to "sightread", basing on what they see and their ability to predict when to click, in order to play things right. These both skills are parts of more general reading, and even if "Reaction" is a big part of "Sight-reading", it's not everything: it's not just how fast you react, but also how accurately you do this.

So, I think it's really confusing to call Reaction a Sight-Reading

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EDIT 2:

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Why don't you just call Reaction a Reaction? Also, how exactly you understand it, to make AR such major factor that overwhelms everything else? We could say that this depends on some other things too, like SPEED of reaction, which could be included to some point too.
Looking at "Agility", someone could think about it including some speed related skills, but what you see is: "Raw Aim" - what does it exactly mean? It also can make you think that it's just raw ability to aim, like aiming in correct direction, certain area, which doesn't necessarily have to be associated with the cursor's velocity, while stopping exactly when you need without area you aim for, could be called a precision. The speed of how fast you do this could be treated as a part of reaction.

So, there are many possible interpretations and people don't know that you mean by this and "why", especially as looking at the history of this thread, you seem to don't really try too much to explain this and clarify what exactly you want to achieve and how exactly you perceive these.

Sorry, if there are some mistakes or hard to understand thoughts in this wall of text, it's 2:30 a.m. and I am barely alive. I will try to read this tomorrow again :)
Ohrami
wut? why are you apologizing for making fun of these guys, their program is useless and pp+ is clearly just better in all ways
unko
pp+ suffers from the exact same speed/stamina flaws with the only improvement being that accuracy holds very slight weight, and it's arguably worse for aim (particularly flow)

osuskills is for the time being a dead project anyway, with neither of the main devs having any time or motivation i guess
Izzz
is there any reason why https://osu.ppy.sh/b/371621 is worth almost half of https://osu.ppy.sh/b/438865 when it comes to precision? they're both cs7 maps around the same length, and here we go has a notably higher sr.
Dawns
Goodbye 2017 scores
BluGalaxian
Rip osu!skills
-Abby-
2017 Scores are deleted :( solve this please
Chemistry
u guys fucked up big time (its not just 2017 scores)
Zigcack
when I try to search for dada I get a Japanese user who last played in 2013, not osu.ppy.sh/u/9119507, which is you get by going to osu.ppy.sh/u/dada . Is there a way to search by user id?
Vlatachi
8-)
Topic Starter
Kert
A couple of serious issues were fixed, preventing profiles from updating at all (wow)
Will get to lost scores when I can
Aoba_Moka
It's currently calculating... Please check back in a few minutes.
well... i wait it for 3 days. :O
Motteke
To me it happens that all the skills were deleted and it appears as if I had never played the maps that increased them, when I see my section of memory and I do not see as many maps as before and was in the 6th place in Mexico :(
Dawns
yeah my memory is still like 450 points below what it was, I think a lot of FL scores just got wiped lol
Haxwill
My FL scores have been almost entirely wiped, and restoring some of my best scores, a 693 point is now 520, but a 650 is 550 now.... please fix soon
BluGalaxian
I'm unable to see my stats since about 5 days ago. Every time I check, it just says "It's currently calculating... Please check back in a few minutes.", even though that doesn't happen. Suggestions?
Valentine
Same problem as the reply above, for about a week now I haven't been able to check my own stats but can check others. I just get the message "It's currently calculating... Please check back in a few minutes."
Pituophis
All my skills went down a lot. Are the skills measured differently now? or scores got lost?
PinkNightmares
Are scores going to be restored? It took long enough to search through 1000s of beatmaps and add them once because of the shitty captcha. It would suck to go through that process again.
O-Moei
My memory point drained from around 536pts to 494pts. What happened ? :o
Scarlet Evans

O-Moei wrote:

My memory point drained from around 536pts to 494pts. What happened ? :o
Looks like some scores were "lost" during update. I lost some points too, including a heavy fall from 667 reaction to 496 xD
I wonder, if I should patiently wait for them being brought back eventually, or try to find them and upload manually. I could do the latter one, as there are probably not too many of them, but for people that lost more scores, it could be bothering :cry:
Izzz

Scarlet Evans wrote:

O-Moei wrote:

My memory point drained from around 536pts to 494pts. What happened ? :o
Looks like some scores were "lost" during update. I lost some points too, including a heavy fall from 667 reaction to 496 xD
I wonder, if I should patiently wait for them being brought back eventually, or try to find them and upload manually. I could do the latter one, as there are probably not too many of them, but for people that lost more scores, it could be bothering :cry:
it also seems that (HDHR)DTFL scores were in general nerfed for memory points.
O-Moei
But seems like the manual score input still function. I remember the maps, but i donknow whatever was lost. too lazy to check one by one lmao :lol:
vuru
https://puu.sh/wnCpG/2dc92ea04e.png

Shows this for more than a month , any help ?
Toy
I haven't been able to access my profile for like 3 weeks now lol
b0bas
Same for me, PM me for additional details,
RinAkimori
Haven't been able to access profile for a while now, any idea when this might be fixed?
Nyanaro
The same
abraker
Hi Everyone! Everybody should be able to access their profiles now, so if you are still having issues, please say so.
Pituophis
still can't access mine
Topic Starter
Kert
Please try again, because it definitely works. I just checked
Pituophis
it works now

precision is still ridiculously easy to farm though
foggy
I was wondering if reading will have anything to do with EZ mod? Because I think people like -gn are amazing at both low AR and high AR and both of those should be calculated into the skill
Konam
Is there a way to recalculate all my scores? Because a lot of scores disappeared
Topic Starter
Kert
The only thing you can do is add them one by one using Manual input option
-Abby-
emilia profile is not working
fieryrage
hi can you input my precision scores because for some reason they aren't working

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/677604 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/407788&m=0 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/438865 hr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/493084&m=0 hr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1154509&m=0 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1111413&m=0 hthr on this

ty
abraker

fieryrage wrote:

hi can you input my precision scores because for some reason they aren't working

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/677604 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/407788&m=0 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/438865 hr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/493084&m=0 hr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1154509&m=0 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1111413&m=0 hthr on this

ty
Might be because they don't beat your nomod score. Unfortunately, there isn't support for multi-mod scores yet
fieryrage

abraker wrote:

fieryrage wrote:

hi can you input my precision scores because for some reason they aren't working

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/677604 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/407788&m=0 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/438865 hr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/493084&m=0 hr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1154509&m=0 hthr on this
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1111413&m=0 hthr on this

ty
Might be because they don't beat your nomod score. Unfortunately, there isn't support for multi-mod scores yet
http://puu.sh/xa9Y0/42231b69a0.png

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8846266

?? looks like there's support for them to me
abraker

fieryrage wrote:

http://puu.sh/xa9Y0/42231b69a0.png

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8846266

?? looks like there's support for them to me
I just checked, and that's because the automatic detection didn't see the nomod score. Manual adding overwrote the lower HDDT score.


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