16:00 *C00L is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1258480 USAO - Aeropolis]
16:00 Kaifin: usao again
16:00 C00L: :>
16:01 *Kaifin is playing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1258480 USAO - Aeropolis [Place of rejoice]]
16:06 Kaifin: what a miss
16:06 Kaifin: this reminds me so much of my old mapping lol
16:06 C00L: rip miss
16:06 C00L: still experimenting with styles
16:07 Kaifin: that was a lot better than the other map
16:07 Kaifin: more cohesive
16:07 Kaifin: still try to make your kick slider patterns less "these are all kicksliders!!!!"
16:07 Kaifin: and more "this is a pattern"
16:07 Kaifin: cause its cool that they're all clickable kicksliders
16:07 Kaifin: but once you start doing something interesting with them
16:07 Kaifin: itll make your maps a lot better
16:08 C00L: yea
16:08 C00L: the these are all kicksliders
16:08 C00L: idk
16:08 C00L: what you mean by that
16:08 Kaifin: sec
16:08 *Kaifin is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1258480 USAO - Aeropolis [Place of rejoice]]
16:09 Kaifin: patterns like 01:44:342 (1,2,1,2) -
16:09 Kaifin: what kind of a pattern is this
16:09 Kaifin: 01:44:342 (1,2,1) - this is almost a pattern
16:09 Kaifin: 01:44:650 (1,2,3) -
16:09 Kaifin: this is also almost a pattern
16:09 Kaifin: the two almost connect
16:09 Kaifin: but they dont
16:09 C00L: thats
16:09 Kaifin: instead they're all just kick sliders
16:09 C00L: because the music changes
16:09 C00L: thats why angles ans shapes change
16:09 C00L: and so does flow
16:09 Kaifin: ????
16:09 C00L:
16:10 Kaifin: its the same sound
16:10 C00L: 01:44:342 (1,2) -
16:10 C00L: less intense
16:10 Kaifin: if anything i'd say
16:10 C00L: 01:44:650 (1,2,3) -
16:10 Kaifin: 01:44:727 -
16:10 C00L: more intense
16:10 Kaifin: this sounds clickable
16:10 Kaifin: these bits sound twice as clickable here 01:44:727 - and 01:44:881 -
16:10 Kaifin: also
16:10 C00L: hmm
16:10 Kaifin: the music changing
16:11 Kaifin: isnt an excuse to have bad strucutre
16:11 C00L: the 881 yea but the 727 meh :p
16:11 Kaifin: and patterns that dont relate to each other
16:11 C00L: thats the point though :/
16:11 Kaifin: if you want more emphasis here you can put more emphasis here
16:11 Kaifin: while still structuring it properly
16:11 Kaifin: then you have stuff thats just like
16:11 Kaifin: structural error
16:11 Kaifin: 01:47:727 (1,2,4) -
16:12 Kaifin: mistakes like this stuff being uneven are just mistakes not really style
16:12 Kaifin: you should also watch your 45 degree angles
16:12 Kaifin: they are very very uncomfortable to play
16:12 Kaifin: there were a lot more 45s in the last map
16:12 Kaifin: but still stuff like 01:50:496 (1,2) -
16:12 Kaifin: doesn't exactly play like i think you intended it to
16:13 Kaifin: heres a really really old map of mine that i havent deleted for pure ARCHIVE purposes
16:13 Kaifin: funny enough it is also usao
16:13 Kaifin:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/92941716:13 Kaifin: this is what your map reminds me of
16:13 Kaifin: albeit your map is a lot better than this one lol
16:13 C00L: hmm yea those patterns im still working on xd, but the 45 degrees i really like and not intending to change i just need to figure out the perfection with them
16:14 C00L: usao rocks
16:14 Kaifin: there is a lot of "nothing" patterns in your map
16:14 Kaifin: and this one that i linked you
16:14 Kaifin: patterns that are like "o i just played that"
16:15 C00L: you mean the kicksliders you linked?
16:15 Kaifin: yeah
16:15 Kaifin: they're just kicksliders
16:15 Kaifin: thats what i mean by
16:15 Kaifin: the only thing special about them is that they're kicksliders
16:15 Kaifin: if you want an example from my map i linked
16:15 Kaifin: 01:13:513 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -
16:15 Kaifin: this is a nothing pattern
16:15 C00L: aaaa but they have a specific meaning ;w;
16:15 Kaifin: 01:16:707 (1,2,3,4) -
16:15 Kaifin: same
16:16 Kaifin: lol i said the exact same stuff
16:16 C00L: yea but theres a difference between that
16:16 C00L: and the patterns you linked
16:16 Kaifin: not in my eyes
16:16 C00L: aaaa its so hard to explain my thinking behind patterns xd
16:16 C00L: os watch
16:16 C00L: ill try to exaplin
16:17 C00L: 01:29:573 (1,2) -
16:17 Kaifin: i said the exact same thing when i was at your mapping skill level
16:17 C00L: so like here for example
16:17 C00L: the music is just starting to warm up and get more intense
16:17 Kaifin: while you're saying what you're saying
16:17 Kaifin: i just want you to keep in mind that 01:39:111 - is the exact same thing
16:17 Kaifin: as what you're talking about rn
16:18 C00L: 01:39:727 (1,2) -
16:18 C00L: no its not aaa
16:18 C00L: 01:29:881 (1,2,3) -
16:18 C00L: to more sounds
16:18 C00L: the sharper angles
16:18 C00L: relate
16:18 C00L: and back and forth represent that
16:18 Kaifin: its copy pasted the same section of music
16:18 Kaifin: just listen to them both
16:19 Kaifin: its a bar of 16 that repeats
16:19 Kaifin: twice
16:19 Kaifin: then goes into the new section at 01:29:881 (1,2,3) -
16:19 Kaifin: woops
16:19 Kaifin: 01:48:342 -
16:19 Kaifin: this was the tag i wanted
16:19 Kaifin: not that one
16:19 Kaifin: please let me clarify: it is not really your thinking that is incorrect
16:19 Kaifin: its your execution and application of your thoughts
16:20 C00L: ye aprobably
16:21 C00L: im not hiding that im not perfect and some stuff still lacks that :spice: but i do try
16:21 C00L: doesnt work all the time :p
16:21 Kaifin: i think the major thing is your patterns
16:22 Kaifin:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/776430416:22 Kaifin: pattern 1
16:22 Kaifin:
http://puu.sh/vcS2A/9a3fe2d4a8.jpg16:22 Kaifin: pattern 2
16:22 Kaifin:
http://puu.sh/vcS3h/8c9f13cdfe.jpg16:22 Kaifin: pattern 3
16:22 Kaifin: now where in your map is there a pattern with kicksliders
16:23 Kaifin: that isnt a varient or combination
16:23 Kaifin: of one of these 3
16:23 C00L: yea but
16:23 C00L: you see it that
16:23 C00L: way
16:23 C00L: i see it in a way to express the music
16:23 C00L: no matter if it is reptetive
16:23 C00L: in new way
16:23 C00L: s
16:23 C00L: ofc
16:23 C00L: similar ways
16:23 Kaifin: it can be repetitive and interesting
16:23 C00L: but different fashions
16:23 C00L: thats why
16:23 Kaifin: it can be repetitive and executed well
16:24 C00L: 01:30:496 (1) -
16:24 C00L: patterns like here
16:24 C00L: yea but i hate repeating myself
16:24 Kaifin: is just a varient of pattern 3
16:24 Kaifin: you dont even need to repeat yourself exactly
16:24 Kaifin: if you hate repeating yourself why are you using the same 3 patterns over and over
16:24 Kaifin: instead of making new cooler ones
16:24 C00L: i do
16:24 C00L: for
16:24 C00L: here for example
16:24 C00L: 01:30:496 (1,2,1,2) -
16:24 C00L: 01:35:419 (1,2,3,4) -
16:25 C00L: 01:34:804 (3,4,5,6,7) -
16:25 C00L: something new
16:25 C00L: introduced
16:25 Kaifin: 01:34:496 (1,3,4,5,6,7) -
16:25 C00L: 01:39:111 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
16:25 C00L: back to orignal
16:25 Kaifin: if you 01:34:496 (1,3,7) -
16:25 C00L: 01:45:111 (4,1,2,1) -
16:25 C00L: new thging
16:25 Kaifin: this strucutre is really not executed well
16:25 Kaifin: also all of these patterns are just varients of the 3 ones i showed you
16:26 C00L: Yea exatcly
16:26 C00L: theyre patterns that i used
16:26 C00L: just varied
16:26 C00L: so that they arent baltantly repeated
16:26 Kaifin: yeah
16:26 Kaifin: thats completely fine
16:26 Kaifin: that is the idea
16:26 Kaifin: it is a good idea
16:26 Kaifin: you are just executing it badly
16:27 Kaifin: so it feel blantantly repeated
16:27 Kaifin: instead of stylish
16:27 C00L: :/
16:27 Kaifin: im not trying to mean im trying to give you feedback so you improve
16:27 C00L: in terms of execution yea youre probably right
16:28 Kaifin: cause you could be super good!
16:28 Kaifin: cause you have good ideas
16:28 Kaifin: just need to work on your execution
16:28 C00L: im not saying youre being mean
16:28 Kaifin: you sent me a sad face
16:28 Kaifin: i think the major things for you to work on that will make your patterning good like
16:28 C00L: yea cause you said it feels repeated anyway
16:28 Kaifin: by default
16:28 Kaifin: like itll just improve your mapping a shitton
16:28 Kaifin: is improving the little things
16:29 C00L: yea little things are a bitch xD
16:29 Kaifin: working on your structure on a little things level
16:29 Kaifin: for example
16:29 Kaifin: 01:46:958 (3,2,4) -
16:29 Kaifin: making stuff like this even
16:29 Kaifin: or if you want it to expand, make it evenly expand
16:29 Kaifin: 01:49:881 (1,2,2) -
16:29 Kaifin: avoid messes like this
16:29 Kaifin: 01:52:650 (1,1) -
16:30 Kaifin: woops that link wont work
16:30 Kaifin: 01:52:650 (1) - and 01:53:265 (1) -
16:30 Kaifin: avoid barely overlapping objects like this: seperate them or overlap them enough for it to look nice
16:30 C00L: hmm
16:30 Kaifin: 01:21:265 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1) -
16:30 Kaifin: cleaning up patterns like this so they make objective sense and arent just notes
16:30 C00L: oh
16:30 C00L: yea that one for sure
16:31 Kaifin: if you make a truly CLEAN map
16:31 Kaifin: then the patterns and flow kind of come along with that
16:31 Kaifin: make sense?
16:31 C00L: yea yea
16:31 C00L: it does since i seen that here
16:31 C00L: with some occasions xd
16:31 C00L: although overlaps
16:31 Kaifin: also capitalize your diff names
16:31 C00L: is just something
16:31 Kaifin: looks funny
16:31 C00L: i like to do
16:31 Kaifin: at least do Place of Rejoice
16:32 C00L: o
16:32 C00L: ok
16:32 Kaifin: unless its all uncapitilzed
16:32 Kaifin: then capitilize the important words
16:32 Kaifin: think of it like the title of a book
16:32 C00L: yea fair point actually
16:32 Kaifin: and how you'd capitilize this
16:32 C00L: mb
16:33 C00L: structure is hard x)
16:33 Kaifin: yes
16:33 Kaifin: is this a kudosable conversation
16:33 Kaifin: :thinking:
16:34 C00L: ugh
16:34 C00L: sure why not
16:34 C00L: p helpful
16:34 Kaifin: lit