21:02 *Kawawa is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1167644 Takamiya Nasuno (CV:Narumi Kyoko) - MeniMeni ManiMani [Easy]]21:02 Feerum: Ready!
21:03 Kawawa: 00:17:159 (17159|7,17451|4,17743|1,17938|5,18230|0,18523|3) - guess you can make it easier for beginner player.
21:03 Kawawa: The point that you can seperate it as two part 00:17:159 (17159|7,17451|4,17743|1) - 00:17:938 (17938|5,18230|0,18523|3) -
21:03 Kawawa: Since It repeated 2 times as kick-kick-clap, so It would be better as "regular shape"
21:03 Kawawa: feedback here http://puu.sh/xrfFW/bd451eb51a.jpg
21:04 Feerum: Sure, changed. I had this like this only because i was scared of "unused column" stuff haha. But i think in Easy its simply impossible to keep everything super balanced
21:05 Feerum: Especially in 9K
21:05 Kawawa: oh, I see. but It is okay. up to you
21:05 Kawawa: both are valid
21:05 Feerum: Nah, changed to your suggestion :D
21:06 Kawawa: 00:38:393 - should consider the thing that you noted it as vocal Rhythm
21:06 Kawawa: but Normal difficulty did not note here.
21:07 Feerum: ooops
21:07 Feerum: my bad, removed
21:07 Kawawa: maybe easy remove, normal add?
21:07 Feerum: good idea
21:08 Kawawa: okay then next.
21:08 Kawawa: 01:11:704 - to 01:13:068 - to be honest, Normap pattern is more easier in this part. >_>
21:09 Feerum: you think so?
21:09 Kawawa: yup.
21:09 Kawawa: Easy = balanced, but it kinda hard to readable to beginner player.
21:09 Kawawa: Normal is looks density, but it's easy to press and readable too.
21:10 Feerum: Okay, then i use the "jacks" in Easy
21:10 Kawawa: or
21:10 Feerum: or?
21:10 Kawawa: easy difficulty like this? https://puu.sh/xrgIu/768c85c3dd.jpg
21:11 Kawawa: honestly, 9K is easy to read when the keep 1357 like 246 place.
21:12 Feerum: You got a good point there. Okay, changed to your suggestion :D
21:12 Kawawa: It's minor thing, but would be better to beginner.
21:12 Kawawa: guess easy, that's it.
21:12 *Kawawa is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1167647 Takamiya Nasuno (CV:Narumi Kyoko) - MeniMeni ManiMani [Normal]]
21:13 Feerum: yay
21:13 Kawawa: 00:09:951 (9951|4,10146|2,10341|1) - It kinda make a trouble to some player. (If the player's style 5/4 place for 9K)
21:14 Kawawa: because this pattern must be handled as one hand.
21:14 Feerum: Hmm, i mapped this as i would play this, (4/5)
21:14 Kawawa: ohh.
21:14 Kawawa: I'm 5/4
21:14 Kawawa: lolol
21:14 Feerum: haha
21:14 Kawawa: anyway just a feedback :: https://puu.sh/xrfR1/e3297211ec.jpg
21:14 Kawawa: up to you!
21:14 Feerum: lets see
21:15 Feerum: oh that plays cool too, i take it
21:16 Kawawa: 01:29:237 (89237|2,89237|6,89432|0,89432|8,90016|6,90016|2,90211|8,90211|0) - try it various.
21:16 Kawawa: The vocal sample is different with 01:28:458 (88458|2,88458|6,88652|8,88652|0) -
21:17 Kawawa: that expression way is already used at hard diffuclty.
21:17 Kawawa: it would be better to feel.
21:17 Feerum: aaaaaaa you're right. Good you point it out again. I wanted actually to fix it with the last mod but somehow i forgot about it aaa
21:18 Feerum: changed the first one
21:19 Kawawa: 01:26:510 (86510|0,86639|2,86769|4,86899|6,87029|8,87159|1,87289|3,87289|5) - do you really want to keep this shape?
21:20 Feerum: Mhhh i want to keep it 1/3 for spread, but maybe arrange it a bit?
21:20 Kawawa: I wanna see change this a bit, but It's fine. Because it is personal taste. lol
21:20 Kawawa: 1/3th is okay.
21:20 Kawawa: just for the pattern shape.
21:20 Kawawa: 01:25:730 (85730|0,85925|2,86120|4,86120|6,86315|8,86510|0,86639|2,86769|4,86899|6,87029|8) - Since It all used 13579 section.
21:20 Feerum: Any suggestion?
21:21 Kawawa: https://puu.sh/xrh27/84d9634447.jpg guess?
21:22 Feerum: Hmmmm, yeah. Sure. That's cool
21:23 Kawawa: in case If you really want to keep them, then feel free reject.
21:24 Feerum: Naaah it was just mainly because of the LNs haha. For "Good looking" But these pattern play better
21:24 Kawawa: since I actually do not want to interrupt the free expression of the mapper.
21:24 Feerum: Nah it's cool. If i don't like something i will tell you :p
21:24 Kawawa: okay, NM is fine. :p
21:25 Feerum: yay
21:25 *Kawawa is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1167647 Takamiya Nasuno (CV:Narumi Kyoko) - MeniMeni ManiMani [Normal]]
21:25 Kawawa: Here is a obviously issue 01:00:795 - to 01:02:354 -
21:25 Kawawa: about note density
21:25 Kawawa: I might at least you must buff here. since there is a big gap with Insane diff, and no different with normal.
21:25 Feerum: Oh?
21:26 Kawawa: Normal, Hard only used 1/2 each one note.
21:26 Kawawa: but on the Insane, 1/4 and double.
21:26 Feerum: Ahhh i see what you mean
21:26 Kawawa: 01:01:575 - to 01:02:354 - at least you can buff here.
21:26 Kawawa: as 1/4 one stream.
21:26 Feerum: So i think a single 1/4 stair should be fine
21:27 Feerum: How would be http://puu.sh/xrhcV/f96cc01d3b.png?
21:28 Kawawa: It also fine, but in case I will give you a suggestion for feedback
21:28 Kawawa: wait //
21:29 Feerum: oki
21:30 Kawawa: https://puu.sh/xrhii/5f76195a5e.jpg ahah, sorry. I changed around structure too a bit.
21:31 Feerum: oboy big suggestion right there
21:31 Feerum: let me try it
21:32 Kawawa: okay, tell me when you fully done.
21:35 Feerum: They that's pretty cool
21:35 Kawawa: okay then next?
21:35 Feerum: And gives a good spread to prev/next diff. Yeah i keep it, thanks! :D
21:35 Feerum: yup!
21:36 Kawawa: 01:25:341 (85341|8,85341|3,85438|6,85536|4,85633|2,85730|1,85730|7,85925|0,85925|8,86120|2,86120|6,86315|7,86315|1,86510|0,86639|2,86769|4,86899|6,86899|3,86964|0,87029|1,87094|2,87159|8,87224|7,87289|6,87289|3,87289|5) -
21:37 Kawawa: https://puu.sh/xrgdb/af40d27cba.jpg suggestion here.
21:38 Feerum: Changed. That's cool
21:39 Kawawa: okay last one.
21:39 Kawawa: let me give me 5 min nearly.
21:39 Kawawa: need to analazy a bit .w.
21:39 Feerum: oki
21:40 Feerum: Then i grab quick something to drink
21:43 Feerum: back
21:46 Kawawa: okay
21:46 Kawawa: done.
21:46 Feerum: Alright!
21:46 Kawawa: in the prcess, I found an option for hard difficulty.
21:46 Feerum: For hard? Ok?
21:47 Kawawa: 00:16:769 -
21:47 *Kawawa is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1167646 Takamiya Nasuno (CV:Narumi Kyoko) - MeniMeni ManiMani [Hyper]]
21:47 Kawawa: 00:16:769 (16769|8,16867|7,16964|6,17062|5) - maybe 1/6th is better.
21:47 Kawawa: the drum rhythm totally following as 1/6th. like insane difficulty.
21:48 Feerum: But wouldn't that create a too huge gap to Normal? :/
21:48 Feerum: That's my worry
21:49 Kawawa: maybe It's acceptable, since memoria map also used this way.
21:49 Feerum: I mean i could change it to http://puu.sh/xrhQV/bcc17a903c.png
21:49 Feerum: maybe
21:50 Kawawa: some parts are totally 1/6th, but for gap the normal charts followed 1/4th intentially.
21:50 Kawawa: but It will not be issue If you follow it 1/6th there. I'm sure
21:50 Kawawa: not big gap.
21:51 Feerum: Hmmm.. okay. Let's try it.
21:51 Feerum: I change to the 1/6
21:53 Kawawa: If you still worry, then can buff normal a bit.
21:53 Feerum: Naaah i give it a try
21:53 Kawawa: (might I can provide a way)
21:53 Feerum: I mean, if someone really will complain we still can change it
21:54 Feerum: it's not like it's the end of the world then haha
21:54 Kawawa: okay then move on next
21:54 Feerum: back to ex i guess
21:55 Kawawa: last thing at hyer difficulty.
21:55 Kawawa: 00:18:717 - to 00:20:276 - you also should buff this part.
21:55 Feerum: oh?
21:55 Kawawa: normal - hard is same. but big gap with insane.
21:55 Feerum: How about adding 1/2 notes?
21:55 Kawawa: 00:19:497 - to 00:20:276 - at least you can make 1/2th rhythm here.
21:55 Kawawa: yeah. that's fair.
21:56 Feerum: Okay, added some 1/2 :D
21:56 Kawawa: okay back to ex
21:57 Kawawa: 00:12:776 (12776|3,12971|8) - I might you can remove them. I compared with 00:09:854 - 00:10:049 - the same rhythm, but you did not use.
21:57 Feerum: Alright
21:57 Kawawa: isn't a jazz style synth instrument?
21:58 Feerum: Oh fair point
21:59 Kawawa: next!
21:59 Feerum: yup!
21:59 Kawawa: 00:33:425 (33425|6) - remove this, It's not a vocal rhythm.
22:00 Kawawa: 00:33:230 (33230|1) - 00:33:815 (33815|3) - 00:34:789 (34789|1) - 00:34:984 (34984|6) - 00:35:373 (35373|1) -
22:00 Kawawa: the around 1/4th rhythm all follows vocal.
22:00 Kawawa: except this one.
22:00 Feerum: ohh, true.
22:01 Kawawa: 00:36:737 (36737|3) - remove this, 00:36:932 - and add here. both for vocal rhythm. the point all around structures are focusing on vocal as 1/4th rhythm.
22:01 Kawawa: but this part 00:36:445 - to 00:37:029 - is kinda so far away from that.
22:01 Feerum: damn how could that happend
22:02 Feerum: ok, done!
22:03 Kawawa: It'01:14:237 (74237|5,74237|6,74334|3,74432|2) -
22:03 Kawawa: http://puu.sh/xrihG/6adb871181.jpg
22:03 Kawawa: more looks fair for the thril expression?
22:04 Kawawa: trill*
22:04 Feerum: Good idea :D
22:04 Feerum: changed
22:04 Kawawa: I think that's it.
22:05 Feerum: wooo
22:05 Kawawa: honestly, I did not check metadata. guess it already confirm from you?
22:05 Kawawa: 'o'
22:06 Feerum: Meta should be correct, yes.
22:07 Feerum: I didn't add the "TV size" stuff like in the ranked version because this is the 1:30 pop'n vers. The Ranked one has like.. 30sec drain only
22:08 Feerum: That's also why i took pop'n into the source
22:09 Kawawa: okay seems all confirmd
22:09 Kawawa: general things too.
22:09 Feerum: Let me update
22:09 Kawawa: no delayed and hitsound files all used.
22:10 Kawawa: wait wait
22:10 Feerum: did you found something?
22:11 Kawawa: EZ 6.5/6.5 NM 7.0/7.0 HD 7.5/7.5 EX 7.5/8.7
22:11 Kawawa: do you not mind about 7.5 to 8.7?
22:11 Feerum: Yeah, as i thought haha
22:12 Feerum: I wanted to keep OD in EX actually lower than HD because i had the feeling the LNs are more complicated to play in EX. Then the last modder told me to buff HD
22:12 Feerum: ehhh nerf, i mean
22:12 Kawawa: btw It's okay if you want to make the one specially
22:12 Feerum: because HD had actually 8/8 when i remember right
22:13 Feerum: EZ 6.5/6.5 -> NM 7/7 -> HD 8/8 -> EX (More complex LN's so 7.5) but higher HP than HD
22:13 Feerum: Makes sense, or? xD
22:14 Kawawa: make sense. but this way also fine. 6.5 6.5 / 7 7 / 7.5 7.5 / 7.5 8.0
22:14 Feerum: Okay i nerf the HP a bit
22:14 Kawawa: oh if you want to keep it's okay :O
22:15 Feerum: i make HP 8.5
22:15 Feerum: hue
22:15 Feerum: no free pass here
22:15 Kawawa: yeah 8.5 also fine.
22:16 Kawawa: It actually depends on you, and does not give the reason it's unreasonablly done.
22:16 Kawawa: so I'm always open to mapper's thinking .w.
22:17 Feerum: Okay well. I think its fine now
22:17 Feerum: and updated!
22:17 Kawawa: okay will bubble now, no more changes, right?
22:17 Feerum: Yup!