Satoshi with Pikachu (CV:Matsumoto Rica/Otani Ikue) - Alola! · forum

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-02-09T18:14:55+00:00

Pika Pika! ;w;

Weedy

773 posts

Joined January 2014

Weedy 2017-02-15T02:50:14+00:00

i hope you don't mind if i steal your mp3, video, and metadata owo

Xinely

5,014 posts

Joined April 2012

Xinely 2017-02-25T04:41:46+00:00

General :
- personally i feel the hitsound volume is too low. probably increase all greenlines volume by 10%
- ask kwan for metadata? its Rica Matsumoto or Matsumoto Rica?

Easy :
- 00:23:256 (3,4) - somehow the blanket could be better here, just feel weird because curve of 00:23:256 (3,4) - arent same
- 00:28:746 (1,2) - 1/2 usage should be avoided if possible in easy diff, imo you still can make easier rhythms here example http://puu.sh/uiGWV/7c447ae58c.jpg
- 00:40:511 - is a strong vocal, it would be nice to see it mapped with circle instead of a slider's tail
- 00:40:903 - also give a break in here is weird since 00:41:295 (1) - 's downbeat feels not strong if you dont map the drum so i would say to keep map this with a circle
- 00:42:471 (2,3) - this rhythm feels weird because (2) is following vocal but (3) is ignoring vocal, try https://puu.sh/uiHaG/2c404746c7.jpg
- 00:53:844 (1) - avoid the overlap with (2)'s slider if possible, try move to 168,164. if u agree then 00:56:981 (1) - 116,244
- 01:00:903 (2) - whistle on repeat for emphasis the vocal
- 01:04:040 (2,3) - the rhythm feels weird because you broke consistency from 01:00:903 (2,3) - so i would say to change these to https://puu.sh/uiHGx/9e82ef718d.jpg as well
- 01:07:569 (2) - and weird rhythm here because the vocal at redtick is weak and vocal at 01:08:353 - is stronger than redtick so using circle + 1/1 slider repeat would be nicer
- 01:12:275 (4,1) - basically same as 00:42:471 (2,3) -
- 01:16:000 (2) - i dont hear strong drum at redtick, its very very weak. imo use circle for whitetick only would be nice
- 01:18:941 (1) - why clap here? it should be finish because cymbal right?
- 01:23:647 (3) - nazi but spacing 0,94x could be more consistent

Normal :
- 00:06:785 - 00:13:060 - finish for cymbal
- 00:08:354 (4) - better to move to 320,328 imo to avoid half of this slider head covered by (3)'s slider body. if u agree dont forget to fix spacing at 00:09:138 (5) -
- 00:12:275 - whistle for crystal sound
- 00:12:667 (6) - normal whistle on head because drum
- 00:15:805 - add normal sampleset for consistency
- 00:16:981 (2) - 0,93x spacing is inconsistency
- 00:19:334 - finish for cymbal
- 00:19:334 - until 00:28:354 - every whiteticks here SHOULD have normal clap because every whiteticks have same sound afterall so they should be consistent
- 00:30:118 - finish for cymbal
- 00:31:883 - same here, sampeset normal additions soft and give finish to emphasis the cymbal music
- 00:31:883 - until 00:56:589 - rather than having empty hitsound for 1st and 3rd whiteticks, how about give whistle for them?
- 00:42:667 - finish for cymbal
- 00:44:432 - ^
- 00:50:707 - ^
- 00:53:256 - why not map this? add circle for consistency with 00:50:118 -
- 00:55:805 (4) - fix that 0,94x spacing
- 01:06:180 - 01:06:394 - remove the greenline because its useless. you can start the kiai on with redlines
- 01:12:471 - finish for cymbal
- 01:13:843 (1,2) - swap nc for consistency also for notice that offset change
- 01:18:941 - finish for cymbal
- 01:22:079 - ^
- 01:26:588 (5) - ^
- difficulty is ok but the hitsounds need improvement

Hard :
- maybe OD 6 for spread to Hobbes's Insane
- 00:09:530 (5) - fix that 1,12x since its obviously look inconsistent
- 00:10:903 (4) - why jump here? the music is weak and 00:11:099 - is stronger so jump to 00:11:099 - would be nice example move 00:10:903 (4) - to 48,84
- 00:13:648 (2) - fix the spacing? it feels weird to see 0,9x here. and its possible with move the slider to left
- 00:28:746 (1) - 348,72 for neater shape for 00:27:373 (2,3,4,1) -
- 00:41:099 (5) - nc for consistency. you do for every downbeat afterall
- 00:44:236 - imo soft whistle sounds better here because you map/emphasis the vocal till skip cymbal at 00:44:432 -
- 00:49:138 (1,2) - better blanket pls
- 00:50:511 (1) - same hre, give whistle
- 00:51:491 (4) - nazi, 188,76 to fix blanket
- 00:55:216 (1) - soft whistle on head
- 00:55:216 (1) - add circle for consistency
- 01:15:804 (1) - why map this? i dont hear music at downbeat. better to make circle only for 01:16:196 -
- nice diff

Hobbes :
- 00:14:040 (4,2) - nazi. stack xd
- 00:17:765 (1) - why soft finish here? imo give addition soft sampleset normal whistle would be nice
- 00:49:726 (3) - imo triplet is better because the bluetick sound is stronger than redtick one
- 00:50:511 (1) - same as hard, give whistle for emphasis the vocal
- 00:56:981 (1) - end the spinner at 00:58:550 - sounds better imo because cymbal. if you end spinner at vocal then soft whistle sounds better than clap
- naisu

Kai :
- 00:05:805 (1) - 1/8
- 00:06:066 (2) - the music on tail is in 1/12 00:06:164 -
- 00:08:158 (6) - move to 36,56 to improve design of 00:07:961 (5,6,1,2) -
- 00:31:099 (3) - somehow symmetrical with move to 512,184 look neater
- 00:49:334 (2,4) - somehow look too close, how about 00:49:334 (2) - 92,224?
- 01:05:216 (3) - nc for give mark about 1/4 jump and 1/2 jumps
- 01:15:020 (3) - maybe nc for new pattern

Z Insane :
- 00:06:050 (2) - start at 00:06:066 - 1/6 end at 00:06:164 - 1/12
- 00:23:452 (6) - 312,180 for better zig zag flow?
- 00:51:491 (4,5) - blanket can be better
- 01:00:118 (3) - somehow 0,75x feels weird here because "san" here isnt weak.. i would like to see 1,0x sv here and 01:00:510 (1) - 1,2 or 1,3 for here
- 01:05:020 (2,3,4,5) - i feel the kick sliders dont fit for vocal. cant explain from theory but it just feel weird and too over
- 01:11:491 (3,4) - maybe make them as 1/2 circles instead? because i cant feel the difference of 01:11:491 (3,4) - and 01:11:883 (5,6,7) - when i know the kick sliders are supposed for trumpets here
- 01:18:745 - skipping this drum is weird imo even you are following vocal
- 01:23:059 (5,6,7) - 01:26:000 (5,6,7) - same as 01:11:491 (3,4) -

normal and easy have some serious stuff to fix so waiting the response first

CrystilonZ

1,557 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

CrystilonZ 2017-02-25T13:23:21+00:00

Xinely wrote:
General :
- personally i feel the hitsound volume is too low. probably increase all greenlines volume by 10% i'm pretty content with the overall volume atm. Do you think any particular spot is too quiet or too loud?
- ask kwan for metadata? its Rica Matsumoto or Matsumoto Rica? I think the metadata is pretty fine considering the source. Will ask KwaN anyway for confirmation o/

Z Insane :
- 00:06:050 (2) - start at 00:06:066 - 1/6 end at 00:06:164 - 1/12 k cool. the tail is a bit early but it's better than what i got xd
- 00:23:452 (6) - 312,180 for better zig zag flow? is this bad? i mean i made sure that everything is constant. well except that 00:23:648 (7) - XDD. changed. probably better.
- 00:51:491 (4,5) - blanket can be better o yes sure XD
- 01:00:118 (3) - somehow 0,75x feels weird here because "san" here isnt weak.. i would like to see 1,0x sv here and 01:00:510 (1) - 1,2 or 1,3 for here i don't know how to explain this but imo the whoosy clap thing at the start of 01:00:118 (3) - calls for a slightly slower sv. really.
- 01:05:020 (2,3,4,5) - i feel the kick sliders dont fit for vocal. cant explain from theory but it just feel weird and too over but they are on the trumpets tho orz. I always use sliders for trumpets in the kiais except these points: 01:02:275 (3,4) - and 01:11:294 (1,2) - cuz 1/8 kicksliders are poo and 01:10:510 (5) - cuz i feel like the vocal is more prominent there and it'd be weird to put a 1/4 slider out of no where xd
- 01:11:491 (3,4) - maybe make them as 1/2 circles instead? because i cant feel the difference of 01:11:491 (3,4) - and 01:11:883 (5,6,7) - when i know the kick sliders are supposed for trumpets here uh idk if i understand this correctly or not. are they different and/or should be mapped differently? They are all trumpets to me
- 01:18:745 - skipping this drum is weird imo even you are following vocal tbh I didn't hear the drum when i mapped this at all XD. idk if i should break the vocal emphasis there for the sake of this drum or not orz.
- 01:23:059 (5,6,7) - 01:26:000 (5,6,7) - same as 01:11:491 (3,4) - yup yup changed. They are outside the kiai so xd

Thanks a lot Xinely~

Kaitjuh

856 posts

Joined December 2012

Kaitjuh 2017-02-25T13:54:25+00:00

Xinely wrote:
Kai :
- 00:05:805 (1) - 1/8
- 00:06:066 (2) - the music on tail is in 1/12 00:06:164 - applied both
- 00:08:158 (6) - move to 36,56 to improve design of 00:07:961 (5,6,1,2) - unchanged, because I kinda want to keep the integrity of this 00:07:961 (5,6,1) -
- 00:31:099 (3) - somehow symmetrical with move to 512,184 look neater unchanged, since imo it plays smoother the way it is now
- 00:49:334 (2,4) - somehow look too close, how about 00:49:334 (2) - 92,224? hm, ok sure xd
- 01:05:216 (3) - nc for give mark about 1/4 jump and 1/2 jumps
- 01:15:020 (3) - maybe nc for new pattern applied both

Thanks for modding Xinely! ^^

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ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-02-25T14:37:43+00:00

Reminder post~

Izzywing

osu! Alumni

2,248 posts

Joined March 2016

Izzywing 2017-02-25T22:02:53+00:00

Hobbes :
- 00:14:040 (4,2) - nazi. stack xd Fix
- 00:17:765 (1) - why soft finish here? imo give addition soft sampleset normal whistle would be nice ok
- 00:49:726 (3) - imo triplet is better because the bluetick sound is stronger than redtick one sure
- 00:50:511 (1) - same as hard, give whistle for emphasis the vocal ok
- 00:56:981 (1) - end the spinner at 00:58:550 - sounds better imo because cymbal. if you end spinner at vocal then soft whistle sounds better than clap I actually ended it there because of the drums, so the hitsound should be okay, added whistle tho
- naisu

thanks

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Plaudible

1,028 posts

Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2017-02-26T19:01:56+00:00

Xinely wrote:
General :
Normal :
- 00:06:785 - 00:13:060 - finish for cymbal
- 00:08:354 (4) - better to move to 320,328 imo to avoid half of this slider head covered by (3)'s slider body. if u agree dont forget to fix spacing at 00:09:138 (5) - fixed
- 00:12:275 - whistle for crystal sound
- 00:12:667 (6) - normal whistle on head because drum
- 00:15:805 - add normal sampleset for consistency
- 00:16:981 (2) - 0,93x spacing is inconsistency fixed
- 00:19:334 - finish for cymbal
- 00:19:334 - until 00:28:354 - every whiteticks here SHOULD have normal clap because every whiteticks have same sound afterall so they should be consistent
- 00:30:118 - finish for cymbal
- 00:31:883 - same here, sampeset normal additions soft and give finish to emphasis the cymbal music
- 00:31:883 - until 00:56:589 - rather than having empty hitsound for 1st and 3rd whiteticks, how about give whistle for them?
- 00:42:667 - finish for cymbal
- 00:44:432 - ^
- 00:50:707 - ^
- 00:53:256 - why not map this? add circle for consistency with 00:50:118 - sure,k did in both measures.
- 00:55:805 (4) - fix that 0,94x spacing fixed
- 01:06:180 - 01:06:394 - remove the greenline because its useless. you can start the kiai on with redlines removed
- 01:12:471 - finish for cymbal
- 01:13:843 (1,2) - swap nc for consistency also for notice that offset change done
- 01:18:941 - finish for cymbal
- 01:22:079 - ^
- 01:26:588 (5) - ^

this was before i discovered the joys of hitsound copier and tried to manually copy it. I just removed what I had, used hitsound copier, and gonna pass it to cryst for polishing \o/ Thanks xinely!

here

osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 59040
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1
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GridSize: 4
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Title:Alola!!
TitleUnicode:アローラ!!
Artist:Satoshi with Pikachu (CV:Matsumoto Rica/Otani Ikue)
ArtistUnicode:サトシwithピカチュウ (CV:松本梨香/大谷育江)
Creator:CrystilonZ
Version:Plaudible's Normal
Source:ポケットモンスター　サン＆ムーン
Tags:Saku Pokemon Pokémon Pocket Monsters the series Sun and Moon opening 佐香 智久 Sako Tomohisa ezek Hobbes2 Plaudible Kaitjuh PolkaMocha Nintendo GAME FREAK
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ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-02-27T21:23:55+00:00

Xinely wrote:
General :

Easy :
- 00:23:256 (3,4) - somehow the blanket could be better here, just feel weird because curve of 00:23:256 (3,4) - arent same improved~
- 00:28:746 (1,2) - 1/2 usage should be avoided if possible in easy diff, imo you still can make easier rhythms here example http://puu.sh/uiGWV/7c447ae58c.jpg I tried this on a beginner it it went just fine, but ok, I'm changing this since a lot of people will complain xp
- 00:40:511 - is a strong vocal, it would be nice to see it mapped with circle instead of a slider's tail k
- 00:40:903 - also give a break in here is weird since 00:41:295 (1) - 's downbeat feels not strong if you dont map the drum so i would say to keep map this with a circle k
- 00:42:471 (2,3) - this rhythm feels weird because (2) is following vocal but (3) is ignoring vocal, try https://puu.sh/uiHaG/2c404746c7.jpg k
- 00:53:844 (1) - avoid the overlap with (2)'s slider if possible, try move to 168,164. if u agree then 00:56:981 (1) - 116,244 it' not very noticeable, I don't think this will benefit the map in any way~
- 01:00:903 (2) - whistle on repeat for emphasis the vocal k
- 01:04:040 (2,3) - the rhythm feels weird because you broke consistency from 01:00:903 (2,3) - so i would say to change these to https://puu.sh/uiHGx/9e82ef718d.jpg as well k
- 01:07:569 (2) - and weird rhythm here because the vocal at redtick is weak and vocal at 01:08:353 - is stronger than redtick so using circle + 1/1 slider repeat would be nicer I prefer to keep it my way anyway~ I may be true what you said, but I think it feels better following the consistency here~
- 01:12:275 (4,1) - basically same as 00:42:471 (2,3) - k
- 01:16:000 (2) - i dont hear strong drum at redtick, its very very weak. imo use circle for whitetick only would be nice yes, the drum is weak on the red tick, but it is easier for beginners to hit it this way + covers more rhythm
- 01:18:941 (1) - why clap here? it should be finish because cymbal right? added finish
- 01:23:647 (3) - nazi but spacing 0,94x could be more consistent fixed

Thanks fur the mod!

Sorry for the delay Crys, I've been very busy lately uwu luv u sweetie <3

Updatilonz

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polka

1,125 posts

Joined March 2014

polka 2017-03-01T00:48:14+00:00

Xinely wrote:
Hard :
- maybe OD 6 for spread to Hobbes's Insane 5.5 for normal's sake.
- 00:09:530 (5) - fix that 1,12x since its obviously look inconsistent k
- 00:10:903 (4) - why jump here? the music is weak and 00:11:099 - is stronger so jump to 00:11:099 - would be nice example move 00:10:903 (4) - to 48,84 Half sliders can be held without moving, so it's not even a jump.
- 00:13:648 (2) - fix the spacing? it feels weird to see 0,9x here. and its possible with move the slider to left ok
- 00:28:746 (1) - 348,72 for neater shape for 00:27:373 (2,3,4,1) - ok
- 00:41:099 (5) - nc for consistency. you do for every downbeat afterall ok
- 00:44:236 - imo soft whistle sounds better here because you map/emphasis the vocal till skip cymbal at 00:44:432 - ok
- 00:49:138 (1,2) - better blanket pls Im blanketing the slider, not the circle, so this is ok.
- 00:50:511 (1) - same hre, give whistle ok
- 00:51:491 (4) - nazi, 188,76 to fix blanket ok
- 00:55:216 (1) - soft whistle on head ok
- 00:55:216 (1) - add circle for consistency vocal is stronger so no ty
- 01:15:804 (1) - why map this? i dont hear music at downbeat. better to make circle only for 01:16:196 - its a heald note and I figured it should me mapped. Circle doesn't capture the hold well.
- nice diff

blah

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SliderMultiplier:1.7
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"alola.jpg",0,0
Video,0,"videos.avi"
//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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CrystilonZ

1,557 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

CrystilonZ 2017-03-03T10:06:25+00:00

got the metadata confirmation from kwan o/

IamKwaN wrote:
Similar to https://osu.ppy.sh/s/556393 , we now use preferred romanisation but in the order of surname, first name for consistency or it looks very weird. So,

Unicode Title: アローラ!!
Romanised Title: Alola!!
Unicode Artist: サトシwithピカチュウ (CV:松本梨香/大谷育江)
Romanised Artist: Satoshi with Pikachu (CV:Matsumoto Rica/Otani Ikue)
Source: ポケットモンスターサン＆ムーン

References:
+ http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pokemon_sunmoon/staff/
+ http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~amg-pro/rica3/index.html
+ https://mausu.net/talent/otani-ikue.html

Xinely

5,014 posts

Joined April 2012

Xinely 2017-03-07T04:47:41+00:00

CrystilonZ wrote:
- personally i feel the hitsound volume is too low. probably increase all greenlines volume by 10% i'm pretty content with the overall volume atm. Do you think any particular spot is too quiet or too loud? --> this one 00:19:334 - and kiai time

easy :
- 00:07:961 - why finish here
- 00:40:903 - not map the blank? imo that isnt hard to map that and feel weird since satoshi vocal still can be hear on the blank spot

normal :
- 01:06:393 - 01:14:021 - remove greenline

hard :
- 00:49:138 (1,2) - yes but your blanket isnt neat at all https://puu.sh/uxAC5/4bf985545e.jpg

z insane :
- 00:23:452 (6) - nope if you ask is the flow bad or not but better for aesthetic
- 01:05:020 (2,3,4,5) - if you want kick sliders here k but at least nerf the jumps a bit pls
- 01:11:491 (3,4) - err.. (3) is drum, (4) is trumpet but the intense is different from 5,6,7. thats why i feel mapping them difference music with same pattern feels weird
- 01:18:745 - listen to 25%, you will notice. at least you can make 1/2 slider and use 1/4 with circle to keep vocal + map drum

also im kinda worrying with the timing, ask someone to check it?

CrystilonZ

1,557 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

CrystilonZ 2017-03-07T10:30:26+00:00

Xinely wrote:
CrystilonZ wrote:
- personally i feel the hitsound volume is too low. probably increase all greenlines volume by 10% i'm pretty content with the overall volume atm. Do you think any particular spot is too quiet or too loud? --> this one 00:19:334 - and kiai time k pushed them a bit
normal :
- 01:06:393 - 01:14:021 - remove greenline did this for plaud while I changed the volume

z insane :
- 00:23:452 (6) - nope if you ask is the flow bad or not but better for aesthetic eeh should be better rn i guess
- 01:05:020 (2,3,4,5) - if you want kick sliders here k but at least nerf the jumps a bit pls slightly nerfed. it's equal to the one in the second kiai rn so it should be okay i guess.
- 01:11:491 (3,4) - err.. (3) is drum, (4) is trumpet but the intense is different from 5,6,7. thats why i feel mapping them difference music with same pattern feels weird (3) is mapped to the trumpet xd. There is a drum sound there but everything is mapped to the trumpets in this part, like 01:11:294 (1,2) - . I know the intensity of the trumpet sounds go up and down but i decided to go with the general trend here to simplify things, hence the accelerating spacing. 1/4 slider jumps are a bit too hard already xd.
- 01:18:745 - listen to 25%, you will notice. at least you can make 1/2 slider and use 1/4 with circle to keep vocal + map drum idk if i get this correctly but i tried xd. I like the current version more cuz it emphasizes the vocals better.

also im kinda worrying with the timing, ask someone to check it? gonna ask someone i guess

@everyone i changed the volume. redl before you fix stuff xd

Thanks again xinely~

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-03-07T19:31:14+00:00

everything was fififififixed :3

crys lovely <3

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CrystilonZ

1,557 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

CrystilonZ 2017-03-07T20:05:03+00:00

This timing is checked by Bonsai, so it should be accurate rn xd

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-03-11T04:32:54+00:00

here's one more update from something Xinely suggested~

yee

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polka

1,125 posts

Joined March 2014

polka 2017-03-12T02:56:48+00:00

@xinely Im blanketing the slider body, not the head. Sorry for the confusion :○

No changes.

~~Also, crys it says my diff needs to be updated to the latest version... Did you put in the most recent .osu I gave you?~~ nvm timing

Last edited by polka 2017-03-12T17:03:40+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

CrystilonZ

1,557 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

CrystilonZ 2017-03-12T09:37:36+00:00

assuming you meant .osu, i changed timing and stuff. Read a few replies above xd

Xinely

5,014 posts

Joined April 2012

Xinely 2017-03-16T01:51:48+00:00

ok bubbled

ZekeyHache

3,316 posts

Joined October 2009

ZekeyHache 2017-03-16T01:54:58+00:00

Thanks Xinelylylylyly! :3

CrystilonZ

1,557 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

CrystilonZ 2017-03-16T03:13:40+00:00

Thanks a lot for the checks and the bub nely <3

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-03-16T09:24:22+00:00

placeholdered thanks to plaudible
ur jokes r succ

[z-insane]
00:40:707 (2) - whoa a wide angle
are you sure you want to use one of those when the rest of the map is literally all sharp angles

00:43:648 (5) - weird to have repeat here with stronger drum sounding hitsound compared to 00:44:040 (6) -
00:59:726 - end spinner here for spinner recovery purposes

[kai's insane]
00:24:628 - the rhythm in this section does an amazing job of putting strong vocals on slider ends in a part that only has vocals =)
aka it's off by a red tick. move everything till 00:28:550 - forward a red tick and it'll sound a lot better.
00:34:824 (6) - making the slider start 00:34:824 - makes it a lot better sounding imo.
00:37:569 (5) - there's a new section in the song and you continued the same jump pattern and nc lol
00:55:216 (5,6,1) -

[hobbes2's insane]
00:25:609 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - weird to have all these vocals on slider ends =D
00:42:863 (2) - not as strong as other ones, imo 00:42:667 (1) - as slider is better rhythm here.
00:56:981 - cmon just map this, you already mapped it once ll

y'all should look at polka's diff for rhythm ideas he had the best rhythm imo x d

except this
[polka's hard]
01:15:805 (1) - nigga what the fuck is this shit
there's nothing on the head cuz the sound it follows is on the slider end of 01:15:020 (2) -
plz
01:25:020 (1) - nice larto slider are we in 2010 or something

Last edited by Nao Tomori 2017-03-17T05:21:39+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Izzywing

osu! Alumni

2,248 posts

Joined March 2016

Izzywing 2017-03-16T11:32:13+00:00

plaudible? more like applaudable

Plaudible

1,028 posts

Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2017-03-16T18:52:21+00:00

hobbes no

Izzywing

osu! Alumni

2,248 posts

Joined March 2016

Izzywing 2017-03-17T05:48:31+00:00

fixed everything

@cryst could you fix my hitsounds, i dont wanna mess em up since you did em and all

send help

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 59040
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 31892,44441,50716,62872,82088
DistanceSpacing: 1.6
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.2

[Metadata]
Title:Alola!!
TitleUnicode:アローラ!!
Artist:Satoshi with Pikachu (CV:Matsumoto Rica/Otani Ikue)
ArtistUnicode:サトシwithピカチュウ (CV:松本梨香/大谷育江)
Creator:CrystilonZ
Version:Hobbes2's Insane
Source:ポケットモンスター　サン＆ムーン
Tags:Saku Pokemon Pokémon Pocket Monsters the series Sun and Moon opening 佐香 智久 Sako Tomohisa ezek Hobbes2 Plaudible Kaitjuh PolkaMocha Nintendo GAME FREAK
BeatmapID:1166151
BeatmapSetID:535569

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CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:8
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CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2017-03-17T10:18:42+00:00

Nao Tomori wrote:
placeholdered thanks to plaudible
ur jokes r succ

[z-insane]
00:40:707 (2) - whoa a wide angle i need something to emphasize the shift from the repetitive vocals part to the 'susumouze' part xd. if it plays bad do you have any suggestion? cuz i don't have any other idea lol
are you sure you want to use one of those when the rest of the map is literally all sharp angles
00:43:648 (5) - weird to have repeat here with stronger drum sounding hitsound compared to 00:44:040 (6) - I tried a triplet. cancerous af. hey but a slider here isn't bad imo xd. It kinda fits pretty nicely with the vocals.
00:59:726 - end spinner here for spinner recovery purposes I ended the slider on the blue tick intentionally cuz I didn't want any recovery time here lol. It kinda fits better with the Pikachu voice, the mood and stuff. Players can stop spinning any time they want anyway.

k changed some hs on hobbes' diff

Thanks a lot nao~

Izzywing

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Izzywing 2017-03-17T10:35:30+00:00

Edit - why is there no delete button

polka

1,125 posts

Joined March 2014

polka 2017-03-17T16:18:54+00:00

Nao Tomori wrote:
[polka's hard]
01:15:805 (1) - nigga what the fuck is this shit a slider?
there's nothing on the head cuz the sound it follows is on the slider end of 01:15:020 (2) -
plz
01:25:020 (1) - nice larto slider are we in 2010 or something thanks?

No changes.

Kaitjuh

856 posts

Joined December 2012

Kaitjuh 2017-03-17T18:48:54+00:00

Nao Tomori wrote:
[kai's insane]
00:24:628 - the rhythm in this section does an amazing job of putting strong vocals on slider ends in a part that only has vocals =) thanks, that was intentional since i shifted focus to the drums
aka it's off by a red tick. move everything till 00:28:550 - forward a red tick and it'll sound a lot better. ^
00:34:824 (6) - making the slider start 00:34:824 - makes it a lot better sounding imo. I prefer it the way it is now tbh, since the slider is mapped on a strong sound (big white tick), plus, I map several vocal sounds on sliderends so yeah.
00:37:569 (5) - there's a new section in the song and you continued the same jump pattern and nc lol its a lot sharper than 00:36:981 (2,3,4) - tho. I could NC it but it's not thát nc worthy tbh. I think you place too much value on vocal emphasis xd
00:55:216 (5,6,1) - what this

Thanks nao o/, no changes from me though

@Hobbes2 00:59:138 - the rhythm here is not 1/4, you can refer to other diffs here or Xinely's mod xd

CrystilonZ

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CrystilonZ 2017-03-17T18:54:11+00:00

Kaitjuh wrote:
@Hobbes2 00:59:138 - the rhythm here is not 1/4, you can refer to other diffs here or Xinely's mod xd

I can confirm this; the rhythm there is : ^).
so if you want to stick with this just tell me and i will poke nao.

Izzywing

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Izzywing 2017-03-18T09:36:35+00:00

current rhythm is a fine simplification of the music imo. regarding 00:58:550 (1,1,2,3,4) -

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-03-18T10:22:50+00:00

fine, let me re explain my points since i think they are very large issues with the maps that lower the quality a LOT

[polka's hard]
01:15:805 (1) - there is LITERALLY NOTHING under the slider head of this slider. the slider follows a sound that begins at 01:15:609 - and you should make that part clickable to reflect that rather than making a clickable slider head somewhere with no sound. http://puu.sh/uOkgW/5cd5daf093.jpg this rhythm for example works a lot better. or this rhythm http://puu.sh/uOkq8/b8264f86cb.jpg

[kai's insane]
i agree that you have a lot of vocals on slider ends. i think that's bad. you're clearly following vocals at parts like 00:20:118 (3,4,5,6) - or 00:22:471 (1,2,3) - . it doesn't make any sense to just randomly dip in and out of following vocals, and it makes the rhythm seem off since in some parts you're following the 1/1 drum with sliders and in some parts you're actually following the vocals.
i also think that following drums only in that part is idiotic because it's not following the thing that makes the song unique. you can literally spam 1/2 sliders on white ticks on any song and follow the drum line, you might as well be mapping a metronome. you should be following the melody of a song which, in this case, is the vocals. this persists throughout this section into the next one at 00:44:432 - all the way till 00:56:981 - with consistent but inherently flawed rhythm choices like 00:47:373 (6,1) - 00:50:510 (6,1) - and 00:53:648 (6,1) -.
00:54:628 (5) - 00:55:216 (7,8,1) - these kinds of things are also not that good for the same reason i explained above.

in the earlier part, you followed the trumpet, which is also a melody. however, following drums that are devoid of rhythm or melody in a vocal focused is too bad.

other stuff
00:37:569 (5) - i will reiterate that continuing the same pattern in a different section of the song is a bad use of patterning and should be changed

00:46:981 - the claps here are cute but making them unclickable feels bad to me. 00:56:393 (6,7) - this effect is better imo.

00:47:863 - missed triple

[z-insane]
i still think having no spinner recovery is dumb but it isn't actually unrankable so w/e
00:40:511 (1,2,3) - if you want to avoid this wide angle (which i guess has a reasoning behind it) you could try ctrl g on 2 3 which ends up looking like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7593473
00:46:981 - same thing about the claps, imo clickable is better but it isn't that big of a deal.
01:06:001 (3,4) - imo, turning both of these into kicksliders is a bit odd for me since the 01:06:001 (3) - is on that vocal but 01:06:197 (4) - is going back to the drum sounds. 2 triples here makes more sense to me.
01:10:118 (3,4,5,6) - this thing actually plays like ass cuz it's like a sudden massive spacing increase with a wider angle than you use for the rest of the jumps. i think the square is a bit too big for how strong the song is here.
01:13:844 (1,2) - i know you hitsounded these but you've been using kicksliders for the trumpet so using it for drums here is weird imo.

[hobbes2]
well i already wrote a decent sized paragraph about why vocals on slider ends in that section at 20 seconds is suboptimal so yea
00:59:726 (5,1) - this is just mean you have a 2 1/4 doubles then a 1/2 stack that look the same?_?

alright well hopefully i explained my points better and we can come to a compromise!

CrystilonZ

1,557 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

CrystilonZ 2017-03-18T11:24:44+00:00

Nao Tomori wrote:
fine, let me re explain my points since i think they are very large issues with the maps that lower the quality a LOT

[z-insane]
i still think having no spinner recovery is dumb but it isn't actually unrankable so w/e
00:40:511 (1,2,3) - if you want to avoid this wide angle (which i guess has a reasoning behind it) you could try ctrl g on 2 3 which ends up looking like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7593473 oh k this is cool
00:46:981 - same thing about the claps, imo clickable is better but it isn't that big of a deal.
01:06:001 (3,4) - imo, turning both of these into kicksliders is a bit odd for me since the 01:06:001 (3) - is on that vocal but 01:06:197 (4) - is going back to the drum sounds. 2 triples here makes more sense to me. agree but the drums around here are quite off-beat, so i used sliders to prevent unnecessary 100s. dw dw I did try to make these drums sliders a bit different by using shitty angles.
01:10:118 (3,4,5,6) - this thing actually plays like ass cuz it's like a sudden massive spacing increase with a wider angle than you use for the rest of the jumps. i think the square is a bit too big for how strong the song is here. nerfed
01:13:844 (1,2) - i know you hitsounded these but you've been using kicksliders for the trumpet so using it for drums here is weird imo.same

alright well hopefully i explained my points better and we can come to a compromise!

k thanks again nao~

Kaitjuh

856 posts

Joined December 2012

Kaitjuh 2017-03-18T14:46:44+00:00

Nao Tomori wrote:
fine, let me re explain my points since i think they are very large issues with the maps that lower the quality a LOT

[kai's insane]
i agree that you have a lot of vocals on slider ends. i think that's bad. you're clearly following vocals at parts like 00:20:118 (3,4,5,6) - or 00:22:471 (1,2,3) - . it doesn't make any sense to just randomly dip in and out of following vocals, and it makes the rhythm seem off since in some parts you're following the 1/1 drum with sliders and in some parts you're actually following the vocals. I understand where you're coming from and while it'd be a lot easier to change the pattern, I still want to explain my motivations here on why I mapped it the way I did. Imo the vocals and drums are equally strong/significant during the verse. I chose to map certain vocal sounds like 00:20:118 (3,4,5,6) - or 00:24:040 (7,8,1) - since they stood out to me more. I chose to map it the way I did here 00:25:020 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - because the vocals were going against the drums (or offbeat or whatever its called, I'm not a music theorist lmao). And since I put equal value on drums vs vocals, I mapped the sliders on beat with the vocals on the offbeat, here being on the sliderend. After those patterns I put more focus on the vocals because of a different vocal pattern and that stood out to me more, so I mapped the sliders with more focus on the vocals 00:27:373 (2,3,4) - and also because it transitions better into 00:28:550 (1,2) - . If this is truly an unrankable issue then I can consider changing it. If not, I'd prefer it the way it is atm.
i also think that following drums only in that part is idiotic because it's not following the thing that makes the song unique. you can literally spam 1/2 sliders on white ticks on any song and follow the drum line, you might as well be mapping a metronome. you should be following the melody of a song which, in this case, is the vocals. this persists throughout this section into the next one at 00:44:432 - all the way till 00:56:981 - with consistent but inherently flawed rhythm choices like 00:47:373 (6,1) - 00:50:510 (6,1) - and 00:53:648 (6,1) -. as for these, I placed more value on the strong beat (big white tick) and didn't want to make that a passive beat like a sliderend hence why the vocal sound before them are circles and not sliders.
00:54:628 (5) - 00:55:216 (7,8,1) - these kinds of things are also not that good for the same reason i explained above. these followed the trumpet sounds.

in the earlier part, you followed the trumpet, which is also a melody. however, following drums that are devoid of rhythm or melody in a vocal focused is too bad.

other stuff
00:37:569 (5) - i will reiterate that continuing the same pattern in a different section of the song is a bad use of patterning and should be changed again, they may look the same, but the angles are way sharper.

00:46:981 - the claps here are cute but making them unclickable feels bad to me. 00:56:393 (6,7) - this effect is better imo. I did this to 1. avoid similarites between other difficulties since there already are plenty and 2. differentiate from 00:56:393 (6,7) - since that part is in a more intense section of the music, so I wanted them to play differently.

00:47:863 - missed triple I don't hear anything oO

alright well hopefully i explained my points better and we can come to a compromise!

Idk

Izzywing

osu! Alumni

2,248 posts

Joined March 2016

Izzywing 2017-03-18T21:21:52+00:00

for point 1)

i fixed the rhythm, this ending up making any sense of a pattern that I wanted going there obsolete so its just its own thing now i guess

for point 2)

yea fixed

make it double

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Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-03-20T06:49:07+00:00

@kaitjuh
i think the drums are as loud, for sure. imo, that doesn't mean you should follow them. since they're consistently doing the same thing, they basically become a background sound in terms of how "interesting" or different they are. the vocals on the other hand do different stuff which is why i think focusing vocals in this part is significantly better than 1/1 drums.

about this pattern: 00:37:569 - you can clearly here a new verse / line / whatever starting in the song here, which is why i say it's a different section. i think you should change the pattern at 5 rather than at 00:38:158 - for this reason. the angle's sharpness is pretty irrelevant since 00:36:981 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this is clearly all one pattern lol.

Kaitjuh

856 posts

Joined December 2012

Kaitjuh 2017-03-20T11:39:07+00:00

Nao Tomori wrote:
@kaitjuh
i think the drums are as loud, for sure. imo, that doesn't mean you should follow them. since they're consistently doing the same thing, they basically become a background sound in terms of how "interesting" or different they are. the vocals on the other hand do different stuff which is why i think focusing vocals in this part is significantly better than 1/1 drums.

about this pattern: 00:37:569 - you can clearly here a new verse / line / whatever starting in the song here, which is why i say it's a different section. i think you should change the pattern at 5 rather than at 00:38:158 - for this reason. the angle's sharpness is pretty irrelevant since 00:36:981 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - this is clearly all one pattern lol.

I kinda have to disagree on what you said about mapping whatever sounds; be it drums or vocals, in a passage of a song is simply a "better" rhythm choice. Sure, it can be more intuitive/interesting than other rhythm choices, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's objectively better, since there are different ways a song can be interpreted. Both are appropriate imo and changing this won't fundamentally improve my map's overall quality (as low as it may be).

changed 00:37:569 (5) - bc i dont like arguing and I still think it'd be fine if left unchanged, since purely looking at the songs structure, a new section of music would start here 00:38:158 (1) -

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Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Nao Tomori 2017-03-21T11:20:28+00:00

The reason I disagree so heavily with mapping 1/1 drums on white tick rhythms is because of my theory on mapping. Basically, I and many many other people believe that a map should represent the song. Of course, you do as well. I also happen to believe that this involves highlighting what is unique in the song. In this case, 1/1 drums do NOT strike me as unique, compared to the vocals. You could literally copy paste this rhythm on any song and it would "fit" because most songs have 1/1 drums. As such, this rhythming does not do a good job of representing the song because it misses what makes the song different from the other 30 million ones out there.

Other nominators may, of course, disagree. However, I highly advise changing this in accordance with the arguments I set forth in my past few posts.

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

3,596 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-03-21T12:13:47+00:00

just some comments for the discussion that seems to be going on:

I didn't look at the other diffs, but I'd agree that rhythm for some spots on Kai's Insane seems really "unfitting" and inconsistent, so often it feels more liked it was mapped to a 153 bpm metrononme and not to this song.
Looking at things like 01:03:060 (9,1) - compared to 01:01:295 (6,1) - ? one emphasizes drums, the other vocals, when the song doesn't really change, right after each other. doing something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/zHpG3vC4.jpg on 01:03:060 - would feel much more consitent and also catch vocal and instrumental melody really well. also you map it like that for the whole chorus, so randomly having it on drums seems weird

00:36:981 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this whole part before maps mainly drums, so suddenly spamming circles when drum don't change is pretty weird (though I'd also personally think following vocals/melody for this part overall would feel better). This jump pattern basically just throws multiple layers together to create something that ends up not emphasizing anything at all. Also your usage of triples n this part seems weird cause sometimes you map them, but then ignore the sound in the next measure?
00:40:903 (8) - is also something really unfitting. 00:38:942 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - spams vocal jumps, but then this suddenly switches to drums for no apparent reason
more examples would be spots like 00:53:648 (6,1) - 6 maps vocal, but then 1 is drum emphasis again? when you could for example have http://lasse.s-ul.eu/LwoJSFyJ.jpg
and things like 00:27:177 (1,2,3,4) - mapping vocals is nice and I'd personally prefer it over drums in this part, but why do you just suddenly switch focus when 00:19:334 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - is basically mapping the metronome/emphasizing drums only? there is not even any noticeable change in the song , so it just feels weird (also that big timestamp could be put on pretty much every generic 153 bpm song and would still work lol)

also 00:57:765 (2) - on polka's hard would be much nicer as 3 circles to make the unique rhythm stand out more and fit the intensity better, while keeping 00:56:981 (1) - to introduce the rhythm

Kaitjuh

856 posts

Joined December 2012

Kaitjuh 2017-03-21T14:47:49+00:00

Lasse wrote:
just some comments for the discussion that seems to be going on:

I didn't look at the other diffs, but I'd agree that rhythm for some spots on Kai's Insane seems really "unfitting" and inconsistent, so often it feels more liked it was mapped to a 153 bpm metrononme and not to this song.
Looking at things like 01:03:060 (9,1) - compared to 01:01:295 (6,1) - ? one emphasizes drums, the other vocals, when the song doesn't really change, right after each other. doing something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/zHpG3vC4.jpg on 01:03:060 - would feel much more consitent and also catch vocal and instrumental melody really well. also you map it like that for the whole chorus, so randomly having it on drums seems weird The sounds here 01:02:275 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - were mapped on the trumpet sounds, so that's why it's like that. Since they weren't there on 01:01:295 (6,1) - I mapped them since they stood out.

00:36:981 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - this whole part before maps mainly drums, so suddenly spamming circles when drum don't change is pretty weird (though I'd also personally think following vocals/melody for this part overall would feel better). This jump pattern basically just throws multiple layers together to create something that ends up not emphasizing anything at all. Also your usage of triples n this part seems weird cause sometimes you map them, but then ignore the sound in the next measure? kinda agree with the dimishined emphasis. I tried using the same rhythm used here 00:33:256 (7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - for consistency i guess. Also the triples in the map are most of the time mapped on trumpets
00:40:903 (8) - is also something really unfitting. 00:38:942 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - spams vocal jumps, but then this suddenly switches to drums for no apparent reason I personally think these are fine since the vocals get drawn out after that so it would be awkward to put emphasis on that so I switched to drums using that slider.
more examples would be spots like 00:53:648 (6,1) - 6 maps vocal, but then 1 is drum emphasis again? when you could for example have http://lasse.s-ul.eu/LwoJSFyJ.jpg Actually I put more emphasis on the trumpets on this slider 00:53:844 (1) - since they became more intense as well, which is also why these sliders 00:54:432 (3,4,5) - have triples.
and things like 00:27:177 (1,2,3,4) - mapping vocals is nice and I'd personally prefer it over drums in this part, but why do you just suddenly switch focus when 00:19:334 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - is basically mapping the metronome/emphasizing drums only? there is not even any noticeable change in the song , so it just feels weird (also that big timestamp could be put on pretty much every generic 153 bpm song and would still work lol) Switched vocal focus to 00:25:412 (1) - for logic sake i suppose and also bc Nao also said sth about it

Thanks for providing additional details on the problem Lasse.

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