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So I'm not shit wootMun wrote:
Shiirn wrote:
Your maps are not you.
pkhg wrote:
avoid bad words
Im sorry.Loctav wrote:
@-himei if you dont know how the modding process work, please get lost or discuss that somewhere else. Just because it is not breaking the RC doesnt mean that no debate about the matter is permitted or that stuff still can't be wrong. And apparantly someone nailed something on your forehead, because this is like the 9023490390349509305935902123843298th time that someone told you this and you are still too dense to get it. Can you just quit it altogether and stop teaching people about an ecosystem that you clearly never understood yourself? On a second note, you can discuss your displease about how the modding ecosystem works in its own thread, not in map threads that are only reserved for discussions about the map self. If you fail to abide that, we will have to make sure that you simply never post in this threads again - ever.
With the time the map becomes as an embodiment of its mapper's soul's expression. When somebody continuously tries to change it/nuke it, or just inhibit the ranking of it, the whole discussion becomes personal.Shiirn wrote:
Attacks and dissenting opinions towards a map are not necessarily personal attacks on the mapper. This is something everyone should try to remember, as it's very easy to feel as if your opinions are being disregarded when presented with conflicting ones.
Your maps are not you. They are not an extension of you, no matter what you may feel on the matter. They are something that are created, and once ranked have officially "grown up" - they're no longer under your control. Ranking a map is by definition ceasing all development and putting out a final, unchangeable copy. You'd best be ready for that.
Maps do not have feelings. Mappers do. People get pissed off when they feel their opinion is being disregarded, or when they feel people aren't giving them the respect "they deserve" by implying, or in many cases, outright saying, that they feel the mapper did something incorrectly.
The main conflicts people are bringing up with this map proper are based on what constitutes "proper representation of the song". The biggest nail of discord there is that the song itself is extremely messed up and hard to follow. As such, different levels of experience in music, listening, or even possibly physical gear (headphones, speakers, etc) can be causing massive changes in what each person hears in this track.
This is why I went to so much effort to point out how horrible this track was - not the map, not the mappers, the song itself. A song that has this much conflict over what even constitutes the basic rhythms and melodies really shouldn't have a difficulty over 6.5*. And that's being generous.
Modders who hate your maps are not clawing through the fabric of reality to tear at your soul. Your creation is intangible, it cannot be damaged or destroyed unless you let it be.-himei wrote:
With the time the map becomes as an embodiment of its mapper's soul's expression. When somebody continuously tries to change it/nuke it, or just inhibit the ranking of it, the whole discussion becomes personal.
You cant deny anything from ^
It is truth for any map and any mapper that got some experience in mapping and the mapping itself for him (you, me, everyone) becomes an
expression of his feelings
that is personal. It is true for eveyone here who stopped mapping to the "beat" after realizing what mapping is in its advanced form.
You are missing the point that most of us (mappers) are ranking stuff to show everyone our perspective of view of music, and the feeling we are experiencing while listening to the song.Shiirn wrote:
Modders who hate your maps are not clawing through the fabric of reality to tear at your soul. Your creation is intangible, it cannot be damaged or destroyed unless you let it be.
Just because it's important to you doesn't mean that you need to be a neurotic sociopath to protect it from things that cannot hurt it.
The same applies here. Personal attacks are pointless; attacking the map has purpose as the moment you push your map for ranking you are by your own choice putting it under review by opinions that are not your own. Being able to be objective and logical about your own emotions is literally what "maturity" is about.
If you truly wanted to have a map be a personal bastion of your feelings and soul, you would not try to rank it. They're mutually exclusive.
The BNg exists for that purpose. Like it or don't like it you have to pass their opinion and in this case, the community's too.-himei wrote:
theres no distinct borderline of "what is good/bad", aside from RC/Code of conduct, which are vague at some points.
Make a really good map to begin with and people will come praise you instead of complaining :p-himei wrote:
you never know what is "optional enough" to skip or "bad enough" to change,, because, eventually, the more people comes, the more stuff you must respond to, the higher chance that you wont handle everything alone.
Quoting for emphasis even if it's a general statement not particularly directed at this map. It applies to much more than just mapping and is an important lesson everyone has to learn eventually so I feel it has value even if this "isn't the place for it."MrSergio wrote:
If you can't "express" your vision in an easy-to-understand manner then you failed.
It's like... "are people not understanding what I'm saying or is it me who can't explain things?" kind of thing.
-himei your discussion here is pointless please take it somewhere elseLoctav wrote:
@-himei .
you missed the point entirely.WORSTPOLACKEU wrote:
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I understand that, yet I think that if a map is qualified, it means it's good so unless something really breaking the map comes up it could be DQ'd but not when they mention theories about rhythms or different representation of the song that doesn't fit with Raiikozen's vision of the map and he has said so himself I believe and explained why he doesn't want to make it that way.Nao Tomori wrote:
you missed the point entirely.WORSTPOLACKEU wrote:
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a map playing "well" (or comfortably, which is what you mean ofc) has absolutely nothing to do with its quality. it's really really easy to make a map that has a high star rating and plays perfectly comfortably since it uses exclusively sharp angles and has no major spacing changes, etc etc etc. that's what raikozen did here. there's nothing WRONG with doing that either. It does, I'd rather see high star rating map that plays comfortably because of the angles than 5~~starish map that has awkward movements here and there. Also you missed my point a bit aswell but it doesn't really matter I guess.
the issue with this map that most people who modded it are talking about is from the theory side of it, where what "should be emphasized" is not and what "should be followed" is not. talking about how it plays is entirely irrelevant since any player that can play 8 star maps with some level of ability won't be put off by high spacing sharp angles or overmapped streams. therefore, people are talking about how raikozen could, in their opinion, use objects to represent the song better from a theory perspective.
Hmm I dunno~ The Promethean Kings seemed to make it look like a breeze and that's a 9.16* map :thinking: But I'll let that one slideLoctav wrote:
Or maybe you just accept the fact that ranking very difficult maps is a very difficult thing to do. And that it is very hard to figure out if it is done right. If you are not up for the controversy and just want everyone to accept your very hard maps as they are, maybe you simply shouldn't map very hard maps and only stay with milder stuff that it easier to evaluate for everyone, including the mapper.