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dafak congrats
this is pro 
gratz!
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I'd like to have a toothpaste teeth too
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What a speed rank
seriously qat did this
Cellina wrote:
seriously qat did this
seriously is it circlejerk?
I can see a lot of complaining but no acting.
raiden last time people tried to act they either get ignored or dont get anywhere, but please dont say no acting because we tried
tl;dr im butthurt because i got nothing ranked :v
tl;dr im butthurt because i got nothing ranked :v
The only thing people can do is display their distaste; what can they actually do that's classed as 'acting'?Raiden wrote:
I can see a lot of complaining but no acting.
I originally came here to ask, did you intentionally choose the lowest quality BG?
I think you guys misinterpreted me: this map so far has got no reports.
What I meant by acting is, if you are butthurt because Chromoxx can get stuff ranked fast then do something about it; become BN yourselves and get connections and whatnot.
I doubt you do even a quarter of the work Chromoxx is doing for this community.
It saddens me that people try to bring everyone down their level instead of working their way up.
That being said, congrats Chromoxx.
What I meant by acting is, if you are butthurt because Chromoxx can get stuff ranked fast then do something about it; become BN yourselves and get connections and whatnot.
I doubt you do even a quarter of the work Chromoxx is doing for this community.
It saddens me that people try to bring everyone down their level instead of working their way up.
That being said, congrats Chromoxx.
being awkward when you did speedrank to this one which only 2 days >.> srsly ......
edit : any metadata? D:
edit : any metadata? D:
Topic Starter
Thx Raiden, couldn't have said it any better tbh. This community doesn't need people who get salty when other people's stuff get ranked, but people who will work their way up to the point where they can get stuff ranked themselves.Raiden wrote:
I think you guys misinterpreted me: this map so far has got no reports.
What I meant by acting is, if you are butthurt because Chromoxx can get stuff ranked fast then do something about it; become BN yourselves and get connections and whatnot.
I doubt you do even a quarter of the work Chromoxx is doing for this community.
It saddens me that people try to bring everyone down their level instead of working their way up.
That being said, congrats Chromoxx.
Your first sentence makes no sense whatsoever..Niko-nyan wrote:
being awkward when you did speedrank to this one which only 2 days >.> srsly ......
edit : any metadata? D:
Took the time to confirm metadata with KwaN before qualifying, would have been ranked like 8 hours earlier otherwise LOL
wtf with speedrank
Didn't want to participate here but when I read this I felt like I should... acting... becoming a BN to rank things faster? That's the solution? I don't know but that's seriously a basic thinking imo.Raiden wrote:
I think you guys misinterpreted me: this map so far has got no reports.
What I meant by acting is, if you are butthurt because Chromoxx can get stuff ranked fast then do something about it; become BN yourselves and get connections and whatnot.
I doubt you do even a quarter of the work Chromoxx is doing for this community.
It saddens me that people try to bring everyone down their level instead of working their way up.
That being said, congrats Chromoxx.
I think you guys are taking advantage of being BNs. Yes, connections, hardwork, etc etc, agree. However, from my point of view, this is some sort of disrepectful behavior to every mapper, even the "famous" ones, because they at least try to find mods before finding some friend so they can easily rank their stuffs.
This is more like a code of conduct? And you guys are abusing the system.
And please, not because we're not famous mappers nor BN doesn't mean we can't see this is as a moral thing towards the community. Maybe I'm overstating, feel free to decide.
Well I just wanted to refute what Raiden said but I think I went a bit further. Anyway, good mappers here, I'm not taking down your mapping skills. The issue here is the system that let this kind of abuse happen.
I agree with a lot of what iYiyo said.iYiyo wrote:
Didn't want to participate here but when I read this I felt like I should... acting... becoming a BN to rank things faster? That's the solution? I don't know but that's seriously a basic thinking imo.Raiden wrote:
I think you guys misinterpreted me: this map so far has got no reports.
What I meant by acting is, if you are butthurt because Chromoxx can get stuff ranked fast then do something about it; become BN yourselves and get connections and whatnot.
I doubt you do even a quarter of the work Chromoxx is doing for this community.
It saddens me that people try to bring everyone down their level instead of working their way up.
That being said, congrats Chromoxx.
I think you guys are taking advantage of being BNs. Yes, connections, hardwork, etc etc, agree. However, from my point of view, this is some sort of disrepectful behavior to every mapper, even the "famous" ones, because they at least try to find mods before finding some friend so they can easily rank their stuffs.
This is more like a code of conduct? And you guys are abusing the system.
And please, not because we're not famous mappers nor BN doesn't mean we can't see this is as a moral thing towards the community. Maybe I'm overstating, feel free to decide.
Well I just wanted to refute what Raiden said but I think I went a bit further. Anyway, good mappers here, I'm not taking down your mapping skills. The issue here is the system that let this kind of abuse happen.
I see no point in saying that a person cannot get things speedranked- sometimes the right people come across the right maps. It's rare, obviously, however still possible.
From a personal standpoint however, it is completely rational and defined as to why so many people are angry about this. Vulkin for instance has quite a bit of mapping experience, but gets nothing ranked-Chromoxx half***** a 2 difficulty set and gets it qualified? It's not even a complete set? It's quite atrocious.
The fact of any matter similar or different to this is that a BN who submits a map is over 1,000x more likely to get the map ranked so long as the map has even the least bit of quality.
Now, to be clear, I'm not saying that Chromoxx's mapping is bad, that this map is bad, or that Chromoxx doesn't deserve BN or the other things people say/believe. I just believe that this set has no reason to be qualified, or even bubbled. This set in particular.
To address Raiden as well, people who aren't BN's can't act. We can sit here, watch bad maps get qualified/ranked, and then complain. That's the only thing we CAN do.
Also,
Because 8 hours totally makes a difference.Chromoxx wrote:
Took the time to confirm metadata with KwaN before qualifying, would have been ranked like 8 hours earlier otherwise LOL
So far all the arguments I've read are some kind of "moral obligations" and "basic thinking" and "common sense" and whatnot. Well here's the thing: t/516786
Nowhere does it say that we are obligated to icon anything we do not desire to. Nowhere does it say that we are morally obligated to not rank other BN maps because that's "disrespectful" to other mappers; in fact, that statement itself is a load of bollocks, simply a petty excuse for you not to work your way up like everyone with a ranked map has done before. We are not obligated to adjust to your safe space by not ranking a friend's or another BN's map just because that'd offend you and whatnot.
"You are taking advantage of being BNs." On other news, water is wet. We are not philantropists that live to serve. While our main goal may not have been to reap all those m4m's and/or faster ranks, we certainly expected a higher speed in which we put out stuff to ranked (not to mention that higher quality stuff is put out in a more consistent pace), and we CERTAINLY worked our asses off to get it, not only by mapping and modding extremely actively, but also socializing, which seems a dead cause in here.
The system is not being abused, but you guys are simply not being part of it by complaining instead of being proactive members of this community, and doing something about your own situation. That's what I did, that's what you all can do.
This is probably my last time explaining this, so whoever prefers to keep complaining I'll just say "well sucks to be you then"
Nowhere does it say that we are obligated to icon anything we do not desire to. Nowhere does it say that we are morally obligated to not rank other BN maps because that's "disrespectful" to other mappers; in fact, that statement itself is a load of bollocks, simply a petty excuse for you not to work your way up like everyone with a ranked map has done before. We are not obligated to adjust to your safe space by not ranking a friend's or another BN's map just because that'd offend you and whatnot.
"You are taking advantage of being BNs." On other news, water is wet. We are not philantropists that live to serve. While our main goal may not have been to reap all those m4m's and/or faster ranks, we certainly expected a higher speed in which we put out stuff to ranked (not to mention that higher quality stuff is put out in a more consistent pace), and we CERTAINLY worked our asses off to get it, not only by mapping and modding extremely actively, but also socializing, which seems a dead cause in here.
The system is not being abused, but you guys are simply not being part of it by complaining instead of being proactive members of this community, and doing something about your own situation. That's what I did, that's what you all can do.
This is probably my last time explaining this, so whoever prefers to keep complaining I'll just say "well sucks to be you then"
Topic Starter
Basically what Raiden said hits the spot perfectly.
You're complaining about BNs being able to get stuff ranked at a faster pace than normal mappers, but there aren't many normal mappers who have the ability to create sets that are ready at a pace that BNs do. And the mappers who are able to do that can get things ranked at a reasonable pace too. Take Charlotte or Nofool for example, if i have time i would never turn down a request from them because i know they are able to create quality content that doesn't require much modding.
And to your argument of finding mods: there is a point when normal mods will no longer significantly improve the quality of a beatmap. For experienced mappers the opinion of a BN is enough to ensure the map is of good quality. Extra mods wouldn't hurt, but at this point they aren't neccesary either. There may be some slight changes that would happen but nothing where one would think "oh, this map got better". So instead of having people spend their time modding a map that doesn't have much room for significant improvement for the sake of some people on the forum not to get salty it's just as good to have those people spend their time helping newer mappers and modders to improve in order to keep this community growing.
Also daily reminder that this set still has more drain time than your typical 4 diff anime TV size map or 5minute approval map. This is in no way "half*****", i simply chose to map 2 diffs for this song since it looks cleaner overall and a kantan for a slow song of this length would just reach the point of getting overly boring. The futsuu is also accessable for beginner players and i didn't map anything higher than the muzu because it would simply not make sense for this song. The only thing that would change are some longer 1/2 patterns and maybe some triplets being ddk.
I just want people to be able to enjoy this song.
You're complaining about BNs being able to get stuff ranked at a faster pace than normal mappers, but there aren't many normal mappers who have the ability to create sets that are ready at a pace that BNs do. And the mappers who are able to do that can get things ranked at a reasonable pace too. Take Charlotte or Nofool for example, if i have time i would never turn down a request from them because i know they are able to create quality content that doesn't require much modding.
And to your argument of finding mods: there is a point when normal mods will no longer significantly improve the quality of a beatmap. For experienced mappers the opinion of a BN is enough to ensure the map is of good quality. Extra mods wouldn't hurt, but at this point they aren't neccesary either. There may be some slight changes that would happen but nothing where one would think "oh, this map got better". So instead of having people spend their time modding a map that doesn't have much room for significant improvement for the sake of some people on the forum not to get salty it's just as good to have those people spend their time helping newer mappers and modders to improve in order to keep this community growing.
Also daily reminder that this set still has more drain time than your typical 4 diff anime TV size map or 5minute approval map. This is in no way "half*****", i simply chose to map 2 diffs for this song since it looks cleaner overall and a kantan for a slow song of this length would just reach the point of getting overly boring. The futsuu is also accessable for beginner players and i didn't map anything higher than the muzu because it would simply not make sense for this song. The only thing that would change are some longer 1/2 patterns and maybe some triplets being ddk.
I just want people to be able to enjoy this song.
I am not feeling to spend my time with people I barely know or that I can't have a good talk. Even if that sounds lazy or whatever you can interpret in my sentence but I am not feeling right to take advantage like this. Although I know this is how the modding system works, I won't deny that. I think this is how some thinks about that too. Some other are just regulary pissed off because this all looks rigged, etc. while it's nothing reprehensible to use your connections if you have them. People would use them too on Chromoxx' spot.Raiden wrote:
What I meant by acting is, if you are butthurt because Chromoxx can get stuff ranked fast then do something about it; become BN yourselves and get connections and whatnot.
To the rest of the people: You're free to mod the beatmap in its current state. The map is not ranked, it's qualified. It's nominated to be a ranked map in some days, changes can be done here if there are good reasons sent out to take it out from the list of qualified and nominated beatmaps. Yelling "disgusting speedrank" and "fuck this speedrank" doesn't help. You know that. If you don't, you should start to accept that.
You clearly don't see the point here Raiden. This is not an excuse, I don't even map Taiko so this doesn't affect me at all. To not work like everyone with a ranked map has done before? You think the people who complains about the system are lazy people? Ok xd. And the thing here is not that if offends ME, but offends the community. I'm not thinking in my own personal favor, so please try to avoid statements like that.Raiden wrote:
Nowhere does it say that we are obligated to icon anything we do not desire to. Nowhere does it say that we are morally obligated to not rank other BN maps because that's "disrespectful" to other mappers; in fact, that statement itself is a load of bollocks, simply a petty excuse for you not to work your way up like everyone with a ranked map has done before. We are not obligated to adjust to your safe space by not ranking a friend's or another BN's map just because that'd offend you and whatnot.
Again, please try to avoid statements like that. You look like a kid that say everything the comes to your mind.Raiden wrote:
... and we CERTAINLY worked our asses off to get it, not only by mapping and modding extremely actively, but also socializing, which seems a dead cause in here.
Again, please try to avoid statements like that. So as you say, the reason why we see the system is being abused is because we are not proactive members of this community and just because we are complaining? Seriously? C'mon Raiden, find better arguments.Raiden wrote:
The system is not being abused, but you guys are simply not being part of it by complaining instead of being proactive members of this community, and doing something about your own situation. That's what I did, that's what you all can do.
Raiden wrote:
"well sucks to be you then"
I don't think so, actually what you said makes more sense imo. I won't quote everything you mentioned, but it was accurately to say that for experienced mappers, sometimes "normal mods" are not necessary. Totally agree. Specially if the map is very simplistic, as Okorin said. This is just one case that went to the extreme, 3 posts, less than 2 days and ranked.Chromoxx wrote:
Basically what Raiden said hits the spot perfectly.
Just one thing that triggered me Chromoxx was the fact that you said that we're complaining about BN's getting maps ranked faster than normal mappers because BN's have the ability that some normal mappers don't have. Actually BN's, as far as I know, aren't good mappers, but good modders. Obviously there're a lot of BN's that are already good mappers. But then, why did Raiden said that by acting he meant becoming BN so that we can rank our stuff faster? Huh? We become better mappers when we get the Beatmap Nominator tag?
Well, I didn't come here because of the actual speedrank, but of the lack of arguments that Raiden provided, and then I just said some things that came to my mind.
Anyway, GL.
I don't see use in trying to be reasonable anymore, it seems that there is a butt buddy relationship going on here that locks their vision to no one else's but their own.
If I'm ever BN like I'm setting out to do, I'm glad there is examples of things not to do like this one.
If I'm ever BN like I'm setting out to do, I'm glad there is examples of things not to do like this one.
Topic Starter
Usually being a good mapper and a good modder go hand in hand. As i said, the people who aren't BN but have the skills to produce ready content consistently can get maps ranked at a similar pace. Also what does the ammount of time before rank matter tbh? Wouldn't have changed a thing if Oko or Ozzy had waited a few days before modding... except maybe that people wouldn't have gone ape shit for no logical reason.
I made the map, felt pretty confident about it since i put a lot of effort into the individual diffs and the set was of a simplistic nature, so i asked Ozzy and Oko if they could take a look at it. Since they were free at the time and set looked good and didn't take too long to check i got it ranked pretty fast.
End of story.
In the last month i have iconed 19 maps, 14 of which are from non-BNG members, this is not including the stuff i modded casually, testplayed, gave general suggestions on irc for. Also i've been actively seeking out interesting maps for rank and pm-ing the creators about making a set so that i could help them get it ranked.
A bunch of people coming in after seeing some numbers on how fast something got ranked and posting salty comments about "speedrank" and "circlejerk" without actually knowing a thing about what is going on behind the scenes is just plain ignorant.
I would agree this is a problem if all I was doing is abusing my position to get my maps ranked, but this is not the case. I am more active than most people in terms of both modding and mapping, so it only makes sense that i also get things ranked at a steady pace.
Can we all please just stop with the salt now and enjoy this song, the reason why i mapped this in the first place.
If i was the type of person to effortly shit out maps just for the sake of it i would have mapped this: https://youtu.be/wkQ-bUseXNY
I do not wish to be involved in any drama, I just want to help this community by getting more maps ranked, whether it be by iconing other peoples maps or pushing things out myself. I believe this set has good potential to get people interested in taiko, since it's the most popular cover on youtube for a very popular song, which is not ranked for any other gamemode. Adding to the fact that it's aimed toward beginner players people who search for this cover of the song in the ranked section will only find this and maybe give taiko a try.
Just sad that the thread is now littered with jealousy, salt and hate.
I made the map, felt pretty confident about it since i put a lot of effort into the individual diffs and the set was of a simplistic nature, so i asked Ozzy and Oko if they could take a look at it. Since they were free at the time and set looked good and didn't take too long to check i got it ranked pretty fast.
End of story.
In the last month i have iconed 19 maps, 14 of which are from non-BNG members, this is not including the stuff i modded casually, testplayed, gave general suggestions on irc for. Also i've been actively seeking out interesting maps for rank and pm-ing the creators about making a set so that i could help them get it ranked.
A bunch of people coming in after seeing some numbers on how fast something got ranked and posting salty comments about "speedrank" and "circlejerk" without actually knowing a thing about what is going on behind the scenes is just plain ignorant.
I would agree this is a problem if all I was doing is abusing my position to get my maps ranked, but this is not the case. I am more active than most people in terms of both modding and mapping, so it only makes sense that i also get things ranked at a steady pace.
Can we all please just stop with the salt now and enjoy this song, the reason why i mapped this in the first place.
If i was the type of person to effortly shit out maps just for the sake of it i would have mapped this: https://youtu.be/wkQ-bUseXNY
I do not wish to be involved in any drama, I just want to help this community by getting more maps ranked, whether it be by iconing other peoples maps or pushing things out myself. I believe this set has good potential to get people interested in taiko, since it's the most popular cover on youtube for a very popular song, which is not ranked for any other gamemode. Adding to the fact that it's aimed toward beginner players people who search for this cover of the song in the ranked section will only find this and maybe give taiko a try.
Just sad that the thread is now littered with jealousy, salt and hate.
Don't confuse and say it's jealousy, salt or hate please. At least not from me. Glad that you make such kind of maps for the community, not bad song.Chromoxx wrote:
I do not wish to be involved in any drama, I just want to help this community by getting more maps ranked, whether it be by iconing other peoples maps or pushing things out myself. I believe this set has good potential to get people interested in taiko, since it's the most popular cover on youtube for a very popular song, which is not ranked for any other gamemode. Adding to the fact that it's aimed toward beginner players people who search for this cover of the song in the ranked section will only find this and maybe give taiko a try.
Just sad that the thread is now littered with jealousy, salt and hate.
I'm also gonna stop drama here. xD
Lack of arguments, when you have provided none, I like where you're going with this. Goes to show the close minded mentality some members of the community have; and surprise surprise, they are the ones that complain the most yet do nothing to remedy the situation. Big sarcastic clap for them.iYiyo wrote:
You clearly don't see the point here Raiden. This is not an excuse, I don't even map Taiko so this doesn't affect me at all. To not work like everyone with a ranked map has done before? You think the people who complains about the system are lazy people? Ok xd. And the thing here is not that if offends ME, but offends the community. I'm not thinking in my own personal favor, so please try to avoid statements like that.Raiden wrote:
Nowhere does it say that we are obligated to icon anything we do not desire to. Nowhere does it say that we are morally obligated to not rank other BN maps because that's "disrespectful" to other mappers; in fact, that statement itself is a load of bollocks, simply a petty excuse for you not to work your way up like everyone with a ranked map has done before. We are not obligated to adjust to your safe space by not ranking a friend's or another BN's map just because that'd offend you and whatnot.Again, please try to avoid statements like that. You look like a kid that say everything the comes to your mind.Raiden wrote:
... and we CERTAINLY worked our asses off to get it, not only by mapping and modding extremely actively, but also socializing, which seems a dead cause in here.Again, please try to avoid statements like that. So as you say, the reason why we see the system is being abused is because we are not proactive members of this community and just because we are complaining? Seriously? C'mon Raiden, find better arguments.Raiden wrote:
The system is not being abused, but you guys are simply not being part of it by complaining instead of being proactive members of this community, and doing something about your own situation. That's what I did, that's what you all can do.Raiden wrote:
"well sucks to be you then"I don't think so, actually what you said makes more sense imo. I won't quote everything you mentioned, but it was accurately to say that for experienced mappers, sometimes "normal mods" are not necessary. Totally agree. Specially if the map is very simplistic, as Okorin said. This is just one case that went to the extreme, 3 posts, less than 2 days and ranked.Chromoxx wrote:
Basically what Raiden said hits the spot perfectly.
Just one thing that triggered me Chromoxx was the fact that you said that we're complaining about BN's getting maps ranked faster than normal mappers because BN's have the ability that some normal mappers don't have. Actually BN's, as far as I know, aren't good mappers, but good modders. Obviously there're a lot of BN's that are already good mappers. But then, why did Raiden said that by acting he meant becoming BN so that we can rank our stuff faster? Huh? We become better mappers when we get the Beatmap Nominator tag?
Well, I didn't come here because of the actual speedrank, but of the lack of arguments that Raiden provided, and then I just said some things that came to my mind.
Anyway, GL.
You clearly don't see the point here Raiden. This is not an excuse, I don't even map Taiko so this doesn't affect me at all. To not work like everyone with a ranked map has done before? You think the people who complains about the system are lazy people? Ok xd. And the thing here is not that if offends ME, but offends the community. I'm not thinking in my own personal favor, so please try to avoid statements like that.
Again, please try to avoid statements like that. You look like a kid that say everything the comes to your mind.
Again, please try to avoid statements like that. So as you say, the reason why we see the system is being abused is because we are not proactive members of this community and just because we are complaining? Seriously? C'mon Raiden, find better arguments.So many arguments right there, I lost count ^
Not only you provided zero arguments, but also recurred to going full ad hominem saying I look like a kid. Typical of someone who loses arguments quite often.
I'm not going to spend any more time in this nonsense, I already said everything that was needed to say.
The fact that people get fast ranked maps triggers you? Sucks to be you then.
xDD it's ok. Nothing to discuss here then.
Okay uhm.. mind if we set a final point here? If you have a good reason to question the qualify, please give a proper feedback and try to help. Anything else should be avoided.
just wonder why its just 2 difficulty while the map duration BELOW 5 min
also... where is the BASIC RULES that we need to wait 1 - 2 weeks to getting bubbled?this map simply broke it
also... where is the BASIC RULES that we need to wait 1 - 2 weeks to getting bubbled?this map simply broke it
The rule says to have at least two difficulties, one for for the lesser good, one for the better players.SE_LovelySoul wrote:
just wonder why its just 2 difficulty while the map duration BELOW 5 min
t/516786 4th last point of BNG Rules:SE_LovelySoul wrote:
also... where is the BASIC RULES that we need to wait 1 - 2 weeks to getting bubbled?this map simply broke it
There must be at least 24 hours between placing a bubble and qualifying a mapset. This is to give other members of the community and Beatmap Nominators a bit of time to think about whether they want to veto the placed bubble.The time between the bubble and qualification were around 32 hours.
clarification about the 2nd lines : that he meant is the old of the map, not the proccess between bubbled to qualifySE_LovelySoul wrote:
just wonder why its just 2 difficulty while the map duration BELOW 5 min
also... where is the BASIC RULES that we need to wait 1 - 2 weeks to getting bubbled?this map simply broke it
Topic Starter
A set must contain at least 2 difficulties, at least one of which must be an easy or normal. The lowest difficulty must be under 2 stars.SE_LovelySoul wrote:
just wonder why its just 2 difficulty while the map duration BELOW 5 min
also... where is the BASIC RULES that we need to wait 1 - 2 weeks to getting bubbled?this map simply broke it
People should educate themselves on the ranking criteria before making posts like these.
There is no rule about how long a map must be submitted before getting bubbled, since that would be pretty nonsensical in general, the only rule concerning time is the 24 hour rule between bubbled and qualified.
People should educate themselves on the BNG rules before making these kind of posts.
Thank you. At least this will be a learning experience to you regarding ranking criteria and rules in general, since you seemed to be rather uneducated on the subject.
Didnt we had Monstrata speedranking on it? I wonder...Raiden wrote:
The fact that people get fast ranked maps triggers you? Sucks to be you then.
gratz!
Hi Efe, how about your best friend map? need to rank? or you dont want it cuz people will say " dem plis rank noice pp or moar combo or many diffs dem, not short or just wanna have ranked map hauehuhe ".zigizigiefe wrote:
wtf did just happenGratz
Idk why poeple are even trying to throw salt on this kind of situation, what do you guys want ? Making him wait 2 weeks and rank just for "it" will change something?
Absolutly not, if the map is ready to go, just <insert nice meme>
Absolutly not, if the map is ready to go, just <insert nice meme>
when people are getting more salty than it:
congratz mr chromoxzzzz
congratz mr chromoxzzzz