-[ Dumpling ]- wrote:
Hi, this is my part of m4m, sorry for the lateness
[General][KANTAN!!]
- Make the spinner start at the same part for all the diffs (Futsuu and above). You have the spinner at 01:19:086 (1) - on Futsuu, but then it starts half a beat later in Muzu and it apparently goes back 1/4 of a beat in the hardest diffs. Not very neat. moved the spinner at hardest diffs
- yes I can see these things c:
- You can add the full name of 'REFLEC BEAT plus' to tags if you want, though remove 'MUSIC PACK 67' from tags, there's no point having it in tags of a song (that's not part of the game name, it just says which music pack you have to buy from KONAMI's overpriced shop to get the song). since REFLECT BEAT already in the source, it would be redundant so i keep it for now
- Diff gap between Muzu and Oni is slightly larger than what would be ideal spread, though you can probably just ignore that as star rating isn't always best for gauging actual difficulty.
[FUTSUU!!]
- This is my opinion but I think the finishers are placed unjustly. For example, based on your logic of a heavy sound at points like 00:06:438 (3) - and 00:07:735 (4) - , shouldn't notes such as 00:16:816 (21) - and 00:18:113 (22) - have them as well? fixed
- 00:25:897 (35) - Why not just use red note here? I think 00:25:248 (34,35,36) - are similar sounding enough that they can just be monocolour for a Kantan diff, not to mention that it would emphasise these: 00:24:600 (32,33) - more. k would reflect the change in pitch better imo
- 00:45:357 (65) - Maybe use red note here as well, it sounds similar to 00:46:005 (66) - . fixed
- 00:47:951 (72) - Probably could add a finisher here like you have done on 00:42:762 (63) - , these both have pitch changing in the music (can't describe it well so feel free to decline if you don't accept it) hmm finisher would be overpowered here imo
- 00:53:140 (80) - Add a finisher here? You're even starting a new kiai here, so I think it would be good to show this part as a new section. retained for consistency with other diffs
- 01:21:681 (118) - I would say a finish here is unnecessary, it would emphasise 01:22:978 (120,121,122) - these more (and some other reason which I can't really describe well w) fixed
- 01:25:248 (124) - Move this 1/2 of a beat 01:25:411 , I know you can really put one note here for kantan but I still think it's more suited to be put on the second beat. retained for more simple beat
[MUZUKASHII!!]
- 00:16:816 (37) - Why is this note kat? It's a don note in every other diff. fixed
- 00:34:167 - What about adding a kat here and change 00:33:681 (86) - to don? I think this section would make it contrast well with 00:32:384 (83,84,85) - .fixed
- 00:53:140 (148) - Similar with kantan. since it is in the middle of a sequence i think a finisher not sounds good
- This is just a general statement and I do understand that you were trying to put some variation into the map here, but I don't understand the choice of not putting any beats on the solid white lines in the section from 00:53:140 (148) - to 00:57:357 (162) - . It just sounds a bit strange and awkward to play for the player. I would say either fill the gaps in or do something similar to the previous kiai. in this part i focused on the sampling voice
- 01:14:546 (212,214) - These could probably just be left as don note since they have similar background sounds to 01:13:897 (211,213) - . the contrast made with k sounds better imo
[ONI!!]
- 00:16:816 (34) - Starting to think that you could add a finisher here for flow (and maybe to the previous easier diffs as well). fixed
- 00:35:951 (14,15,16) - I would suggest a triple kat pattern here, these sound more similar to the previous two 1/2 kats in my opinion. Triple-don notes sound a bit flat here imo. the drum sounds is lower than previous 2 kats so don is fine
- 00:45:194 (58,59) - I'd suggest swapping these two and changing 00:45:681 (60) - to a kat, it *just* makes use of the synthesised sounds better. retained since 00:44:870 (56,57,58) - has same sound
- 00:50:384 (81,82,83) - Same here. same
- 01:05:140 - y u no put note here ;w; i want to make the pace lower in this part
- 01:27:843 (26,27) - I would swap these, to make it sound more unique compared to 01:26:870 (20,21) - . fixed
[INNER ONI!!]
- Increase HP drain to 6 or something, 5 is too Muzu like and easy imo changed to 5.5
- 00:15:194 (40,41) - Maybe swap these two, I think it's better for flow (even if you say don-kat because of music pitch or something). ok
- 00:16:816 (52) - Same as Muzu fixed
- 00:47:789 (95,96) - Swap these two, I think in this case it's better to follow pitch. retained for consistency with 00:44:870 (77,78,79,80) -
- 01:38:222 (26,27) - Same as the first suggestion for Oni diff. fixed
That's all, good luck
- Increase HP drain to 6, 4 makes it too easy to pass imo (I basically didn't press anything whenever I saw 1/6 or a stream longer than a few notes and I still passed it) fixed
- 00:41:140 (113,114,115,116,117,118,119) - Maybe you can change the first note or first three of this 1/6 to dons instead, this entire sound effect sounds more like it increases in pitch. hmm simplicity is better here imo
- 00:47:789 (167) - Change this to a don note, I think with having three kats before 00:47:951 (168) - this finisher becomes very forced to play, and it doesn't really match well (won't consider the fact that only your Inner Oni diff has a finisher here). the drum sounds is the same with previous kat, so not changed
- 00:49:248 (177,178,179,180,181) - This pattern feels a bit forced to play, not sure what you're trying to match in the music here to be honest. i don't think it is forced, it is fits with the flow imo
- 01:13:573 (18,19,20,21) - Probably unnecessary to have four kat notes to lead into the finisher note there, you don't even have anything mapped before the finisher in your easier diffs. Just a simple note or two here would suffice. i think it is fine for the highest diff
and I hope my mod was worth the wait lol
thanks for mods~Sylphi wrote:
I'm so sorry for late.
[KANTAN!!][FUTSUU!!]
- 00:09:032 (7,8,9,10,11) - It would be more fit the music that using K d kkd. retained for simplicity
- 00:20:384 (27) - Although it is kiai time, this is starting part and similar to 00:29:789. removing this note would be more better feeling for all. gap with futsuu will be larger so not changed
[MUZUKASHII!!]
- 00:16:816 (37) - It was d on other difficulties. it should be changed for consistency imo.fixed
- 00:47:140 (128) - It is awkward to hear. how about moving to 00:47:465? oh, nice
- 00:54:438 - 00:57:032 - Why are there no notes? it may makes people is confused by empty feeling. you should have removed other notes if you want little break. put in consideration
- 01:26:546 (12) - I think it would be not bad removing this note. ok
[ONI!!]
- 00:31:573 (101,102,103) - It's not bad idea using kkk on here. actually this sound is similar as prev and higher than around. ddd is also good for variation imo
- 00:36:276 (17,18,19,20,21) - It seems to be mapped in reverse order. i think kdkdk would be more fit the music. i prefer end it with d
- 00:55:086 (10) - 01:00:276 (35) - Move by 1/2 forward to follow melody. i tried to follow the sampling voice but will consider again
- 01:05:140 - 01:07:735 - 01:10:330 - Empty feeling Dx for better spread with futsuu and oni and lower pace in the part :c
- 01:26:870 (20) - Add finish? hmm would be awkward with next sequence
- As said by -[ Dumpling ]-, some people may feel diff gap between Muzu and Oni. because some streams make it seems to be a little high density compared to Muzukashii. probably you better reduce density a little just in case. i think pattern in oni is already simple and density spread is acceptable
- 01:19:167 (1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5828421 there is no problem to play but it looks not good imo. how about starting spinner on 01:19:248? fixed
thanks tasuke!tasuke912 wrote:
Sorry for late
[ General][ Kantan]
- 00:32:384 - kiai time should be extended until here.
- 01:45:032 - ^
- 00:42:762 - 00:53:140 - Consider removing kiai time
fixed[ Futsuu]
- 00:10:654 (10,11) - Consider removing these notes to emphasize kiai start time. i think it will give more impact like this. i mean, when you raised the intensity, and then BAM! end it with a finisher.
- 00:12:276 - I recommend adding a note, kiai doesn't need too many breaks. ofc the break here is necessary because ^
- 00:17:465 - 00:22:654 - ^. Then removed 00:20:059 (26,27) - to make a break? added note at 00:17:465 -
- 00:45:032 (66) - Maybe move to 00:45:681 - ? it would be more natural imo.moved and changed to d
00:50:221 (75) - ^. Then adjust colors. fixed- 01:17:789 (113,114,115,116,117) - seems bit too hard for Kantan. I recommend removing 01:18:762 (116) - this note. fixed
- 01:25:248 (124) - should be moved to 1/2 right for the consistency with 01:25:897 (125) -. You followed second sound of 1/2 doublet rhythm at 125. remain unchanged because the rhythm will be a bit hard for beginner, so i put it in white tick for simplicity
- 01:26:870 (127) - Why not Finish? fixed
- 01:30:113 - add a note for the same reason? fixed
[ Muzukashii]
- 00:11:303 (20) - remove? It looks dense fixed
- 00:51:843 (144,145,146,147,148) - Dense too, consider removing 00:52:492 (146,147) -? ^
- 00:53:140 (149) - Finish? ^
- 01:03:194 (184) - Finish would fit to the clap sound as well might be too loud, k is also fine imo
- 01:25:248 (9) - same as Kantan, move to 1/2 right. remain unchanged for same reason
- 01:34:654 (17) - Finish too fixed
- I'm worry about difficulty spread, between M-O is huger than F-M. Muzukashii should have more triplets and Oni can be easier a little. Following timestamps are able to be placed 1/4 notes.
- 00:14:384 - 00:19:573 - 00:24:762 - added 1/4
- 00:51:519 - ^
- 01:37:411 - ^
- 01:03:194 (49) - Finish? kept
- 01:34:330 (12) - 01:44:708 (60) - ^ ^ because i think adding a finisher will lower the impact at 01:45:032 -
continuation...JUDYDANNY wrote:
Hello, via M4M~~
and sorry to lateIntroduction
- Inner Oni can still improve imo, and sme questionable 1/6.
- Oni ~ Muzukashii Intro still over working imo. plz consider again.
- Diff-Spread is relatively large, but not big issues imo.
Symbol meaningor JUST MY OPINION.
- >> Normal suggestion.
Big text >> Strong suggestion.
>> Questionable imo.
>>> Needs to improve some. (Rhythm is not good , plays or sounds weird)
No comment >>simple (you can notice easily: just hits on drums or simple beats) , or already explained on the other place.
[Kantan]
- 00:08:708 - uum… remove? It plays better as beginners. fixed.
- 00:09:681 - same, not strong sounds after finisher. ^ fixed
- 00:18:762 - change to k? make a consistent with before kkd and make a inconsistent (gap)with after dkd.
- 01:31:411 - same.
- 00:12:924 - , 00:18:113 - ...d? same as 01:35:951 - ?
whoa all above point is complement each other and good. fixed.- 00:30:762 - can add d imo, hmm i want to make a difference with 00:20:384 - where there is more noise there
- 00:38:870 - change k? to emphasized to sounds up than 00:33:681 - (drum roll). i think the drum sound still same until synth sound going up
- 00:54:113 - move to 00:54:762 - ? its early following 1/1 triple imo. fixed, and changed to d to emphasis the higher pitch at 00:55:086 - better
- 00:55:735 (86,87) - dk? fix
- 01:11:951 - add note on purpose? same as other diffs. ok
- 01:19:086 - no spinner? wanted to make break in lower diff. but reconsidered and added the spinner.
- 01:22:978 (121,122,123) - remove the finishres? its kind to play as beginners . sure
- 01:27:194 - ,01:25:897 (126,127) - remove , 01:26:546 - add k instead? there’re high dense. I think its better to make a lower dense and simple rhythm. fixed
[Futsuu][Muzukashii]
- 00:08:059 - remove or move to 00:07:411 - removed!
- 00:13:573 (24,25,26,27) - change to ddk-k instead? to focus the more main part pitch. kkk is more simple and fits the drum well so i prefer to keep it.
- 00:18:762 (40,41,42) - ddk? same as ^
- 00:23:627 (55,56,57,58,59) - change to like… same patterns? (k-ddk-k or k-kkk (for variation with bach chorus)) changed to k-kkk
- 01:31:411 (6,7) - dd? kk
- 01:36:276 (21,22,23,24,25,26) - same as others. fixed
- Either? from 00:30:113 - it sounds noisy but you dont put on. I think you can add notes more somewhere, imo.
A is good~
- A 00:28:816 - move to ½ left, 00:28:978 - add don? .I guess you can put some redlines . Its not bad way.
B.00:28:816 - remove , 00:30:113 - add d, 00:30:924 - move to 00:30:600 - ?- from 01:41:465 - ~~ , same as above.
- 00:39:843 - remove...? umm.. lol plays a bit better imo, there’re no reasons.
lol it's noisy here so i think it's okcombined with below mod is good. fixed- 00:40:654 - move to 00:41:303 - and change to k? felt the early appeared ½ pattern imo. fixed
- 00:52:167 - bit oversounded as Futsuu imo…? 00:50:546 (138,139,140,141,142,143) - dkd-dkd change to dkddk-k or dkdkd-k? dkddk-k is nice~
- like Muzukashii, 01:03:843 - move to 01:05:140 - and 01:05:465 - change d? fixed
- 01:06:438 - , 01:09:032 - , 01:10:654 - same . ^
- 01:19:086 - no big notes? yeah added K
- 01:27:194 - change to k? the melody is going up at 01:27:357 - so i think d here can reflect it better
- 00:02:708 (4,5) - , 00:05:627 - remove? feel many notes a bit imo. ok
00:22:978 (64,65,66,67,68,69,70) - ,01:35:627 (17,18,19,20,21,22,23) - Inconsistency rhythm? change to kd-dkkd-k? (or kd-dkkddk) changed kd-dkkddk~- 00:15:367 - remove? I think its lower priority to put on there comparing with the diff-spread.
- And, suggest them.
fixed
- 00:16:248 - remove , from 00:15:681 - - , add ¼ kat triple, and 00:15:843 - change k instead?
- 00:31:573 (107,108,109) - , 01:44:222 (59,60,61) - kkk ? got same suggestion before, so applied.
- 00:32:059 - add k? lol to make aconsistenty with 00:21:681 - 01:44:708 - , It follows the little splash sounded. at 00:21:681 - 01:44:708 - ,the music is continuous, while at 00:32:059 it has a pause so not putting note there
- 00:36:032 - remove and 00:36:113 - change k? refer to Oni. sure
- 00:45:681 - ,00:50:870 - change to k, to make a consistent with 00:43:086 - . fixed
- 00:52:978 - remove? drum sounds not well.
fixed. and i made some don in that part lol.
- |00:52:492 - can remove too imo, to make a break and emphasized to next lack o f don parts lol.
- 01:04:492 (5,6) - remove , and 01:04:978 - ,01:05:140 - add d, k? Its more clean with 4/4 rhythm and break time. fixed
- 01:07:086 (16,17) - same ^
- hmm… from 01:17:951 - all k that joined the finisher Dons, remove is better for overall difficulty. hmm i prefer to keep it to reflect the stroke sound.
- If you applied ^, sugegst this.
- 01:19:086 - not bad to change K like kantan. but K is nice~
thanks a lot JuDa~JUDYDANNY wrote:
[Oni]
- 00:02:140 - , 00:03:357 - , 00:04:735 - ,00:05:627 - remove? feel many notes a bit imo. ok
- 00:07:330 - move to ¼ right? hmm i think this position more accurate
- 00:32:059 - add k? lol to make aconsistenty with 00:21:681 - 01:44:708 - , It follows the little splash sounded. same reason as muzu, to emphasis the pause
- 00:35:789 (17,18,19,20,21,22) - change to kkd-k-d? it sounds better to express the little quiet part to make the simple( abekobe). fixed
- 00:45:519 (77,78,79) - change to ddk ? to make a consistent with ½ colors 00:43:086 (62,63,64,65,66) - , and make a inconsistent with ½ colors 00:46:816 (85,86,87) - to express the variation. remain unchanged because the don at 00:45:681 - is to follow main melody, like 00:45:357 - and 00:46:005 -
- 00:55:573 - move to 00:55:897 - ? to make a consistent with …backsounds rhythm. good~ fixed
- 00:57:438 - move to 00:57:924 - ? same as above. ^
- 00:59:627 - change to k ? same as above, to make a consistent with cymbals hits on before and after bars? fixed
|01:09:843 - I have a question, k is on purpose? no, it's an accident lol fixed
01:28:167 - ~~ ½ colors kkdkkddkd sounds very questionable…. Either?hmm i would like to make 1/4 kdkkd for pattern variation there. rearranged a bit from C point. (make k-kkd-k-kdkkd-k-d)
- A.01:28:654 (38,39,40,41,42,43,44) - kdkkd-d-k change to kdk-k-ddk?
B.01:29:140 - change to k?
C.01:28:167 - ~~ change to k-kkd-k-kkddk-k-d? * 01:28:735 - If you wont ignore , plz igonore, but it sounds the best imo as Oni.
[Inner Oni]I guess Inner Oni still can improve, call me back after improved the Inner (maybe...bout 1~2mods+.. and yourselfmod? lol)
- 00:06:276 - k? backsounds up. d is consistenft with 00:03:681 - tho
- 00:06:924 - ~~ add more? like… 00:06:924 - ,00:07:248 - , 00:07:411 - , 00:07:978 - ,
00:08:059 - . Its lack of following the drum part imo. added, but not at 00:07:978 - , 00:08:059 - made break here instead
- and, 00:08:870 - remove for making a break instead? because this note is joined with finishers
- 00:13:492 - remove? no strong reverb bass and overempasized the main slar imo. hmm it flows good to me.
- 00:17:870 - same. rearranged here
- 00:17:627 - uum… not similar as00:11:627 (69,70,71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85) - .
How about D-d-k-ddkkd-k-k from 00:16:816 - ? the reason is ↓fixed... i think. a bit confused so made some change myself too lol
- 00:17:221 - move to 00:17:384 - and change to d?
- 00:17:708 - remove
- 00:17:627 - d not same as 00:17:303 - rogic.
- 00:17:546 - change to k to make a consistent with 1st 00:12:357 - ?
- 00:16:573 - move to 00:16:411 - ? 00:16:654 (113,114) - no joined the 1/4 notes sounds better to play such a high dense imo. fixed
- 00:24:194 - add d? can follow the more.. backchorus up. fixed
- 00:25:492 - add d? can follow the more.. lower synthesizer. ^
- 00:27:681 (64,65,66,1) - dddk? and 00:28:816 (5,6,7,8) - kkkd? instead?
1st, not fits on there with high pitch noise sounds imo .
2nd, On the other side of synthesizer , it sounds and plays not well ...
fixed
00:32:059 - I really want to put on k … sounds the little splash… how about d? throbbing sound still same- 00:41:870 - remove? not sounds well. blame backsound vocal lol
- 00:42:600 - splash sounds still slar. k sounds better? hmm.. i prefer d to emphasis crash sound at 00:42:438 -
- 01:02:059 (16,17,18) - change ¼ kkd? not sounds well over ¼ sound. fixed
- from 01:03:519 - part, Its a bit over working imo. It can make more nerf (lower frequency of ¼), consider again plz…
removed some weak notes- 01:24:600 - , 01:24:924 - add kd , 01:25:248 - change k? lol loll i think is better to leave empty to emphasis the stronger beat
- 01:36:843 - add d , 01:38:140 - add d? same as 1st. fixed
- 01:40:330 (2,3,4,1) - dddk? and 01:41:465 (2,3,4,5) - kkkd? fixed
01:17:303 (19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45) - omg… dkdddkdddkddkkkddkkkddkkkddkkkd orz lol
is hard, but still DTable for yumuya lol
Good luck (¦3[___]
thnx shimizuNishizumi wrote:
Hi Volta
as you requested me through chat, only inner oni
[INNER ONI!!]semoga membantu, good luck
- 00:06:762 - move to 00:06:600 - ? biar konsisten sama di 00:07:897 kalo di 00:06:762 konsisten sama melodi di 00:06:762 , 00:04:167 - jadi no change
- 00:06:924 - ganti ke k kalo apply yg atas, biar konsisten juga ^
- 00:16:654 (111,112) - swap jadi d K biar konsisten sama di 00:11:627 - yang awalnya pake kat mempertimbangkan ada suara tinggi di 00:16:654 - rasanya lebih pas k D
- 0021:843 (16,17,18) - delete ? buat pembeda antara kiai sama non kiai. masa non kiai sama sulitnya di kiai akhir ?? (01:34:492 - ) sama-sama kiai kok, biar konsisten
- 00:27:032 (59,60,61) - swap color to ddk sama kek diatas, pitch di 00:27:194 - akhirannya di kat kek yg lu buat di awal kiai tp lebih pas pasang k di 00:27:032 - karna suara drum dan pitch tingginya
- 00:28:005 (2,3,4) - kasih big note aja buat emphasis di sini, sounds better for single note rasanya emphasis ke 00:29:465 - jadi berkurang kalo begitu
- 00:31:897 - kurangin volume hitsound di triplet ini, mungkin jadi 80%. kalo 90% gw ngerasa hitsound bukannya ngiringin lagu malah ketiban ok, diganti jadi 70% biar lebih kerasa perbedaannya
- 00:33:032 (32,33,34,35,36,37) - sama kek diatas (00:34:330 (43,44,45,46,47,48) - 00:37:248 (68,69,70,71) - 00:41:627 (118,119,120,121,122,123) - ) ok
- 00:40:492 - ganti jadi kat aja di sini, for better flows like kiai ok
- 00:42:600 - ga kasih break aja di sini ? also buat nekenin big note di 00:42:762 hmm rasanya lebih enak disambungin sama main melodynya
- 00:51:519 - personally gw lebih suka kddkkd dibanding kkkkkd, lebih bervariasi warnanya. gw juga lebih suka ternyata
- 01:01:897 - same as above fixed
- 01:05:627 - ganti ke don aja ? buat nekenin kat di quintuplet selanjutnya betul juga. di 01:10:816 - juga d
- 01:19:248 - kurangin volume spinnernya ? mungkin jadi 70% ok
- 01:29:303 - kalo buat konsisten seharusnya akhiran 1/6 ini sih kat, mungkin ganti ke dddk atau kddk (kalo mau buat variasi) ? kkkd lebih enak menurut gw karena alasan sebelumnya
- 01:34:654 - kok abis dari sini kesulitan notenya berkurang dari sebelumnya ? atau sama kesulitannya kek non kiai ? mungkin tambahin beberapa note buat mempersulit, buat klimaks lagunya juga hmm oke, dicoba
- 01:40:654 (2,3,4) - sama kaya 00:28:005 sama
:3JUDYDANNY wrote:
Recheck.
[Spread]
- 01:04:816 - Either remove(Futsuu) or add(Kantan , Muzukashii) finish?
umm wrong timestamp? no finish in every diff there. maybe you mean 01:02:221 - , removed finish in futsuu- 01:26:546 (8,9) - Eitehr unify?
Kantan K - d
Futsuu, Muzukashii , Oni k - D
I think unified the k>D seems better for spread to make a consistent with 00:11:627 - .
changed to k-D + invert color of 01:27:843 (26,27,28) - in muzukashii (kdk --> dkd)
[Futsuu][Muzukashii]
- 01:21:681 - remove the finish? other diffs no appeared. fixed
Call me back after you solved them (¦3[___]
- kindly, 00:29:465 - , 01:42:113 - remove the finisher seems better as Muzukashii player imo. i think no problem, to emphasis the 'GO!' shouting for mid~higher diffs
meme yang ngeeeeeeeeeeeeengggggggggggNishizumi wrote:
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gratz anyway
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dem boi xd
it seems the mapper have a own choice to filling finisher, where is needed finisher or not. I mean, entire of sounds like that doesn't need to be as finisher at all.meme yang ngeeeeeeeeeeeeengggggggggggNishizumi wrote:
wow 2fastandfurious
gratz anyway
gratz gratz panci cacad peyok!1!
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