also memes can be put in tags fairly easily without anyone really giving a shit, missing or misleading tags are far more disruptive than superfluous tags
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mazzerin, get a 10 star map ranked next
edit: fuck i forgot i cant delete this post. fml ;(
accidental double post plz no silence me pls
edit: fuck i forgot i cant delete this post. fml ;(
accidental double post plz no silence me pls
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368060 this map has rsi in the tags, and rightfully so. there isnt a reason why rsi SHOULDNT be in the tags of this mapmarshallracer wrote:
It is incredible how you're still allowed to use the "rsi" tag although it doesn't have to do ANYTHING with this map
Yeah, it's hard and stuff but why should it have relevance in this map (or any other map you've used it in for that matter)?
I see no connection between rsi and artist, song, album and/or mapper.
If it's about helping people to find "difficult" maps, that's not how tags are supposed to be used. They're predominantely meant for additional sources or relevant people/media/events (if any) it has relevance to.
after all its a 9 star map
Never mind...
Somebody lock this thread...
Somebody lock this thread...
>locking forum for a map in qualified, killing any discussionS A V E R Y wrote:
Never mind...
Somebody lock this thread...
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It's just about the correct usage of tags reallyXendogenesis wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368060 this map has rsi in the tags, and rightfully so. there isnt a reason why rsi SHOULDNT be in the tags of this mapmarshallracer wrote:
It is incredible how you're still allowed to use the "rsi" tag although it doesn't have to do ANYTHING with this map
Yeah, it's hard and stuff but why should it have relevance in this map (or any other map you've used it in for that matter)?
I see no connection between rsi and artist, song, album and/or mapper.
If it's about helping people to find "difficult" maps, that's not how tags are supposed to be used. They're predominantely meant for additional sources or relevant people/media/events (if any) it has relevance to.
after all its a 9 star map
I realize it's a 9* diff, fine, but if you want to make clear to the players that they can hurt themselves while playing this map (which in itself sounds absurd, though it's not impossible), you can more than clearly state this in the creators words or even a sb (even if this may impair the maps appearence in the beginning)
I gave you a reason why you shouldn't use "rsi" as a tag, you even qouted it
but like, there's a connection between rsi and the mapmarshallracer wrote:
I see no connection between rsi and artist, song, album and/or mapper.
Topic Starter
why are you so salty Bakari once suggested and 'allowed' me to use it, ever since then I've been using it on any of my high bpm maps with lots of 1/2 and 1/4 in a row successfully
If you could elaborate that further I'd be glad to read how these two are connectedAncuL wrote:
but like, there's a connection between rsi and the mapmarshallracer wrote:
I see no connection between rsi and artist, song, album and/or mapper.
I listed my reasons why I am so salty about itMazzerin wrote:
why are you so salty Bakari once suggested and 'allowed' me to use it, ever since then I've been using it on any of my high bpm maps with lots of 1/2 and 1/4 in a row successfully
Even if Bakari "allowed" you to use it and you've used it several times already, it's still an incorrect usage of a tag
If "lots of 1/2 and 1/4" are the only requirement for a map to have rsi as a tag, then maybe I'd suggest to everyone who makes a map with streams, no matter the BPM or speed of those as long as they are 1/2 or 1/4, to put rsi in their tags
If you're going for warning purposes :
marshallracer wrote:
This can be done in the description aswell without abusing the tags for thisRoseusJaeger wrote:
The RSI tag is a medical warning for people who plan to retry this map a ton of time because streams like these really mess up your hands without proper breaks
If we're going after Shiirn's thoughts though :marshallracer wrote:
It's just about the correct usage of tags reallyXendogenesis wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/368060 this map has rsi in the tags, and rightfully so. there isnt a reason why rsi SHOULDNT be in the tags of this map
after all its a 9 star map
I realize it's a 9* diff, fine, but if you want to make clear to the players that they can hurt themselves while playing this map (which in itself sounds absurd, though it's not impossible), you can more than clearly state this in the creators words or even a sb (even if this may impair the maps appearence in the beginning)
I gave you a reason why you shouldn't use "rsi" as a tag, you even qouted it
We'd have to decide as to how we classify a tag such as "rsi", or why even bother using itShiirn wrote:
also memes can be put in tags fairly easily without anyone really giving a shit, missing or misleading tags are far more disruptive than superfluous tags
As far as I can remember, "having rsi" has been a running gag in the community for not doing well on a map or generally after having played an overly difficult map. Surely, I haven't seen people "complain" about that in a while but then again, I'm not that often reading channels like #osu anymore where this has happened predominantly. But this wasn't always related to extremely hard maps more so than just for maps one struggles a lot on.
So is a running gag, a joke or what we'd today call a "meme" an appropriate tag?
Apparently it is.
But can we take a look at the definition of what "RSI" actually is?
I know I didn't include a lot of the article but this are the key sentences. RSI is a medical condition. How is a medical condition as such related to any of the previously mentioned points, including the map itself? Did the drummer or guitarist suffer from RSI after playing this song repeatedly? Even so it wouldn't be relevant to the tags at all.Wikipedia wrote:
Repetitive strain injury (RSI) and associative trauma orders are umbrella terms used to refer to several discrete conditions that can be associated with repetitive tasks, forceful exertions, vibrations, mechanical compression, or sustained/awkward positions.
[...]
Some examples of symptoms experienced by patients with RSI are aching, pulsing pain, tingling and extremity weakness, initially presenting with intermittent discomfort and then, with a higher degree of frequency.
Also, if people pay attention to how they play hard stuff and how to treat their body as a temple, they'll actually never encounter rsi, even when playing difficult maps like this one.
In this case I would assume this tag can be - to some degree - considered as misleading.
Even something as deathstreams or anything similar would be more appropriate.
i would very much like it if rsi keep being a tag used for stream heavy maps and tecnical stream maps as i find half my maps true this tag.
EDIT: irrelevant cuz all maps with rsi tag has "deathstream" or "stream" as tags to.
EDIT: irrelevant cuz all maps with rsi tag has "deathstream" or "stream" as tags to.
personal opinion, I prefer deathstream rather than rsi, I remember when I multiplayer with 200k rank player play Hommarju feat. R.Cena - Chousai Kenbo Sengen [Insane] they said "omg my hand hurt, I get rsi after play this map, I can't feel my hand.. omg omg omg etc."
rsi seems too general and ambiguous, 200k rank player or lower can get "rsi" instantly after play 5 stars/6 stars map continuously without stopping
so, I think deathstream is the best to describe how BEAST this beatmap, no need rsi tag
rsi seems too general and ambiguous, 200k rank player or lower can get "rsi" instantly after play 5 stars/6 stars map continuously without stopping
so, I think deathstream is the best to describe how BEAST this beatmap, no need rsi tag
As marshallracer said, there definitely isn't. If you look at how you get rsi, it just makes no sense.AncuL wrote:
but like, there's a connection between rsi and the mapmarshallracer wrote:
I see no connection between rsi and artist, song, album and/or mapper.
The thing is, you don't even really get it just out of overstressing your fingers. You have to do the same things over months or rather years very often.
And no it's not "Tenosynovitis" (wikipedia, if you don't know the meaning). I just noticed, that this gets often confused with rsi.
Nevertheless I think that the players know, what they will encounter in the map when reading this tag, so it's not really misleading in this sense
(but definitely, if people assume they could get rsi by playing one map again and again).
don't find reason to make a map that you hate going to disqualify
Enon wrote:
don't find reason to make a map that you hate going to disqualify
Blue Dragon wrote:
just a quick reminder that tags can be changed without a DQ so finding wrong things there will not take the map down
Topic Starter
why do you exclude the high bpm part from your ifmarshallracer wrote:
I listed my reasons why I am so salty about itMazzerin wrote:
why are you so salty Bakari once suggested and 'allowed' me to use it, ever since then I've been using it on any of my high bpm maps with lots of 1/2 and 1/4 in a row successfully
Even if Bakari "allowed" you to use it and you've used it several times already, it's still an incorrect usage of a tag
If "lots of 1/2 and 1/4" are the only requirement for a map to have rsi as a tag, then maybe I'd suggest to everyone who makes a map with streams, no matter the BPM or speed of those as long as they are 1/2 or 1/4, to put rsi in their tags
I'll have to admit I overread that and I'm sorry about itMazzerin wrote:
why do you exclude the high bpm part from your if
Regardless of that, it would come down to what you and what others define as high BPM (playwise)
It could even go as low as roughly 200BPM which may be quite a lot for a few people to play - add lots of 1/2 and 1/4 and inexperienced players could still meme (or rather joke about) "oh hell this is so tough I just got RSI"
It would really allow - regarding everyones own interpretation - a lot of people to add RSI to the tags of their maps, even if you wouldn't agree with it.
So why bother discussing about when a tag is acceptable or not when you could just leave it out alltogether as - for many previously mentioned reasons - it wouldn't fit to the map at all
t/480335
If you think this is necessary to be a guideline or even as rule, please follow the thread I've linked. Talking about a general issue - because this is not a map-related issue - won't really help here.
To summarize: It's more than bullshit to add these sort of tags but current phrase applies in this case:
Therefore, the tag can stay until a rule/guideline is added to prevent this.
If you think this is necessary to be a guideline or even as rule, please follow the thread I've linked. Talking about a general issue - because this is not a map-related issue - won't really help here.
To summarize: It's more than bullshit to add these sort of tags but current phrase applies in this case:
"It's not against the rule, it's not misleading. So it's no problem."
Therefore, the tag can stay until a rule/guideline is added to prevent this.
Well then, I rest my case.
Congratulations on getting this approved
Congratulations on getting this approved
To be honest the map is structurally okay mostly but it has some readability issues in transitions from streams to jumps in the hard solo part. Especially this one: 03:25:926 (4,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,1,2) - there are just so many overlaps and spacing changes...
well people in the song select can search up "rsi" to find songs that might give them rsi, signifying the intense mapping. so, yoou could easily define this map as an rsi map, giving it purpose in the tags :^)AncuL wrote:
marshallracer wrote:
I see no connection between rsi and artist, song, album and/or mapper.
I just realized that this problem had already been solved, maybe i should read the posts before making a post. fml
Do you mean by issues that you just personally cant read that part? Its not an issue If its just something you personally have trouble with. Have you thought of the chance of it not being meant to be easy to read?blahpy wrote:
readability issues
No, I mean that it's objectively hard to read. In the same way that, say, an old skystar map is hard to read. Being able to read it because you've watched that specific pattern in the editor 50 times on 25% doesn't count.Reddit wrote:
Do you mean by issues that you just personally cant read that part? Its not an issue If its just something you personally have trouble with. Have you thought of the chance of it not being meant to be easy to read?blahpy wrote:
readability issues
On my sightread play, I read that properly and had no issues with it?blahpy wrote:
No, I mean that it's objectively hard to read. In the same way that, say, an old skystar map is hard to read. Being able to read it because you've watched that specific pattern in the editor 50 times on 25% doesn't count.
oh man cant wait!!! refreshing the side like to times every minute while spectating hvick
I realize these won't be changed, but I still found them odd enough to address:
1. Why use six different SV values?
2. 04:00:137 (1) - How come you didn't put a spinner here instead. Musically, it actually makes more sense.
3. Isn't the HP a little too high? I mean, no one appears to have passed nomod, and at the very least, that should be able to be done.
1. Why use six different SV values?
2. 04:00:137 (1) - How come you didn't put a spinner here instead. Musically, it actually makes more sense.
3. Isn't the HP a little too high? I mean, no one appears to have passed nomod, and at the very least, that should be able to be done.
1. Probably hitsound changes to emphasize different instruments.[ Eon Fox ] wrote:
I realize these won't be changed, but I still found them odd enough to address:
1. Why use six different SV values?
2. 04:00:137 (1) - How come you didn't put a spinner here instead. Musically, it actually makes more sense.
2. A spinner wouldn't emphasize the sharp bpm change. 260 -> 178 is a big difference; the slider works better because you have to snap to it quickly, which emphasizes that suddenness.
[ Eon Fox ] wrote:
I realize these won't be changed, but I still found them odd enough to address:
1. Why use six different SV values?
2. 04:00:137 (1) - How come you didn't put a spinner here instead. Musically, it actually makes more sense.
3. Isn't the HP a little too high? I mean, no one appears to have passed nomod, and at the very least, that should be able to be done.
5.5HP is, if anything, too low
Gratz on rank!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW LAD
holy....
it happened
pack up bois this will be one hell of a trip
pack up bois this will be one hell of a trip
Okay, it's time to lock.
Next Mission: 10 stars
someone gotta map 300bpm jumps and streamsMapper wrote:
Next Mission: 10 stars