18:49 Monstrata: i might be ranking quaver soon, is there anything you wanna comment on? because i'd be willing to make changes tbh
18:49 Monstrata: its not qualified yet anyways xD
18:50 Smoothie World: i just dont get the last kiai tbh///
18:51 Smoothie World: it feels like massive jumps without any use of momentum and no purpose for being placed where it is
18:51 Smoothie World: what would be really cool is if you followed pitch with the spacing
18:52 Monstrata: hmm
18:52 Monstrata: its hard to do that while using spacing thats really large (part of this crescendo effect)
18:52 Monstrata: so i opted to use movements to follow pitch
18:52 Monstrata: 03:03:380 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ladder jumps like this for pitch, for exmaple
18:53 Smoothie World: oh i see
18:53 Monstrata: 03:12:412 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - and 03:13:702 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
18:53 Monstrata: i think maybe the pattern would be more obvious id i didn't nc spam tbh
18:54 Smoothie World: yea i dont get the NC spam
18:54 Monstrata: the second one is a slightly scaled up version of the first, with similar angles, and a flow change from clockwise to counterclockwise
18:54 Smoothie World: could NC on the bells or every 8th note or smth
18:54 Monstrata: tbh i just felt the section needed more color and more leniency in terms of getting hp back
18:54 Monstrata: so instead of having to land 8 notes to get hp back you could just land 2 and get some back
18:55 Smoothie World: @_@ hp3.5
18:55 Monstrata: i might go with NC'ing every 4 instead actually since that at least creates an NC rhythm with bells
18:55 Monstrata: yea
18:55 Monstrata: it'll feel like HP 5 tho i think, cuz of the NC spam
18:55 Smoothie World: having trouble understanding the need to have low hp on jump maps
18:55 Smoothie World: it seems like a trend
18:55 Monstrata: NC spam makes the drain higher than normal
18:56 Monstrata: but yea
18:56 Monstrata: i think reducing NC spam and increasing HP would be better hmm
18:57 Smoothie World: yea i feel like it would be
18:57 Monstrata: aside from the jumps right at the end tho, are there other places that feel uncomfortable?
18:58 Monstrata: im still fine tuning tbh xD
18:58 Smoothie World: nop
18:58 Monstrata: hmm k. i guess i'll change up NC's to better reflect patterns then. and HP 5 i guess xD
18:59 Smoothie World: ok cool
18:59 Monstrata: btw still need me for that map? i heard spaghetti is bubbling it tonight
18:59 Smoothie World: also im about to
18:59 Smoothie World: ya
18:59 Smoothie World: LOL
18:59 Monstrata: haha
18:59 Smoothie World: i was just about to say
18:59 Monstrata: i can read minds dw
18:59 Monstrata:
18:59 Smoothie World: do you wanna tonight
18:59 Monstrata: yea sure
18:59 Smoothie World: ya i can tell from your lb tbh
19:02 Smoothie World: btw is it ok to have the hitnormal and hitsoft or whatever be the same
19:02 Monstrata: hit normal and hit soft be the same?
19:02 Monstrata: yes
19:03 Monstrata: but hitnormal and hitclap being the same = no
19:03 Smoothie World: ok
19:04 Smoothie World: me and spag are just doing a couple more things
19:07 Monstrata: k cool
19:11 Monstrata: 02:59:031 (1,2,3,4) - You could try spacing these further apart
19:11 Monstrata: 02:57:848 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - the spacing change could be more linear
19:12 Monstrata: 03:12:035 (1) - this is kinda off. like the track blanket
19:12 Monstrata:
http://puu.sh/qKZ5H.jpg19:13 Smoothie World: ok tried to fix but im trash so double check when i update
19:13 Monstrata: kk
19:20 Monstrata: 04:31:543 (3,4) - Kinda odd the stack them with the pitch is different
19:20 Monstrata: imo stacking kinda implies a recurring sound
19:20 Smoothie World:
http://i.imgur.com/EOzW6ib.jpg can i do this
19:20 Monstrata: yea that looks good
19:21 Monstrata: do that for the other measure afterwards too?
19:21 Smoothie World: tbh i probably did that cause im a mouse player and fuck mouse drift
19:21 Smoothie World: yup
19:21 Monstrata: oh lol ic xD
19:21 Monstrata: dude i recently just finished a map thats all about mouse-drift xD
19:21 Smoothie World: now theres nowhere to fix mouse drift xd
19:21 Monstrata: i'll show you later haha
19:21 Smoothie World: you mean quaver?
19:21 Monstrata: nah
19:22 *Monstrata is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1051587 GRANRODEO - Can Do (TV Size) [Murasakibara]]
19:22 Monstrata: Murasakibara diff
19:22 Monstrata: btw are you doing color hax at all on your diff?
19:22 Monstrata: cuz if not, its always better to make stuff like 00:01:100 (1,1) -
19:22 Monstrata: the first slider coming out of a spinner
19:23 Monstrata: not blue
19:23 Smoothie World: oh
19:23 Monstrata: like use the purple color instead
19:23 Smoothie World: good idea
19:23 Smoothie World: ya leme fix tht
19:23 Monstrata: bud if you're using color hax it might mess stuff up idk
19:24 Smoothie World: nop not doing color hax
19:24 Monstrata: 00:24:154 (1,2,1,2,1) - i would arrange them like
http://puu.sh/qKZGF.jpg to emphasize the kick on 00:24:745 (1) -
19:25 Smoothie World: ok
19:27 Monstrata: 00:59:622 (5,6) - Try an arrangement like :
http://puu.sh/qKZRp.jpg ( i tilted the head section up a bit ) so its equidistant from 00:59:474 (4,6) - as well
19:28 Monstrata: and it creates a blanket with 5
19:28 Smoothie World: ok done
19:29 Monstrata: 01:11:888 (1) - You can reduce the SV more imo
19:29 Monstrata: 0.8 is barely noticeable at all
19:29 Monstrata: or alternatively
19:29 Monstrata: 01:11:740 (1) - increase SV here more
19:30 Smoothie World: can i do .9 to .7 to .5
19:30 Monstrata: 01:34:794 (6,8) - If you can position 6 in the middle of slider 8 (maybe make slider 8 symmetrical) thatpd be niiice
19:30 Monstrata: and yea that sounds good
19:31 Monstrata: 00:43:366 (1,2,3,4,1) - okay, after going through the whole map, i really think this pattern is overdone lol
19:31 Monstrata: you dont have 1/4 jump streams anything like this xP
19:32 Smoothie World: i always like to do overdone patterns leading into kiais and in powerful parts
19:32 Monstrata: the thing is, the 1/4's here aren't really that strong too compared to the other 1/4s
19:32 Monstrata: like 04:01:986 (3,4,5,6) - if you did something cool here then i'd understand
19:32 Monstrata: but here you just do a normal stream into kiai
19:32 Smoothie World: ;;
19:32 Smoothie World: rip
19:33 Monstrata: 04:35:090 (1,2,3,4) - and here too xD so yea, compared to other kiais it feels overdone
19:33 Smoothie World:
http://i.imgur.com/D25ok7d.png19:33 Monstrata: like cuz the structure does demand a really different stop/go kind of motion
19:33 Smoothie World: can i do that so it at least has that explosive movement
19:33 Monstrata: alright
19:33 Monstrata: yea thats good
19:34 Monstrata: k i think thats all. lemme know when spaghetti's ready
19:34 Smoothie World: ok
19:34 Monstrata: i'll doublecheck snapping once everything;s updated
19:34 Smoothie World: can you check a stream
19:34 Monstrata: which one ;o
19:34 Smoothie World: 01:38:563 (8,1) -
19:35 Smoothie World: is this k
19:35 Monstrata: its okay
19:35 Monstrata: only thing that felt weird was 01:37:971 (8,1,2) etc... the spacing kinda goes down slightly before going back up
19:35 Monstrata: but i think its fine
19:35 Monstrata: also lmao rip link
19:36 Monstrata: structurally, and flowwise tho its good
19:37 Monstrata: just spacing was a bit unreflective of the song for me, but maybe you have a reason for it, and im cool since it ticks other boxes xD
19:38 Monstrata: just an idea tho, but you could always make 01:37:750 (6,7) - kicksliders instead
19:38 Monstrata: it gets rid of the 3rd triplet that you can't really beat-pair to something else
19:39 Smoothie World: how would you space them
19:39 Smoothie World: cant find a way to make it work
19:40 Monstrata: me, i would use kicksliders so you don't have to begin the stream on 01:37:898 -
19:40 Smoothie World: what if i just replaced 01:37:897 (7,8) - with a kickslider
19:40 Monstrata: and the kicksliders can be used as a transition from the triplets into the streams, so the spacing change becomes less apparent
19:40 Monstrata: yea thats what i was thinking xD
19:40 Monstrata: you can make 01:37:750 (6) - a kickslider too, so theres two
19:41 Monstrata: that way you have two kicksliders so its like a pair
19:42 Smoothie World:
http://i.imgur.com/NqUjnhu.jpg is this ok (and the NC)
19:43 Monstrata: hmm
19:43 Monstrata: make the kickslider
19:43 Monstrata: parallel to 01:37:306 (1,2) - ?
19:43 Monstrata: makes the structure a bit better
19:43 Smoothie World: ok
19:44 Monstrata: and then, should be fine
19:46 Smoothie World: tryna see if i can update again lol
19:46 Monstrata: k tell me when
19:46 Smoothie World: spag is still looking
19:46 Monstrata: o
19:46 Monstrata: xD
19:49 Smoothie World: ok just about ready
19:49 Smoothie World: hes bubing
19:50 Smoothie World: ok ready
19:50 Smoothie World: \o/
19:52 Monstrata: 01:51:838 (1) - what is this following
19:53 Monstrata: actually lemme update
19:53 Smoothie World: dammit i was listening to
19:53 *Smoothie World is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/995563 Giorgio Vanni - Maledetti Scarafaggi]
19:53 Monstrata: kik
19:54 Smoothie World: should i just delete the circle
19:54 Monstrata: 02:43:563 (2) - doesnt seem to follow anything audible either
19:54 Monstrata: yea imo...
19:54 Monstrata: also maybe change combo color to non blue
19:54 Smoothie World: nop it follows the descending snare thing
19:54 Smoothie World: ok deleted the circle but 2:43 i think that is fine
19:55 Monstrata: oh okay i hear it now
19:55 Smoothie World: the slider (1) is mapped to the drum that is going down in pitch
19:55 Smoothie World: and the circle after is following that
19:56 Smoothie World: am i good to update
19:57 Monstrata: 04:37:159 (4,5,6) - these seem so ambiguously mapped for 1/3 rhythms xP
19:57 Monstrata: like i can't really discern a clear 1/3 rhythm here
19:58 Smoothie World: cant really discern any clear rhythm tbh but
19:58 Smoothie World: the growls sound close enough to that
19:58 Monstrata: the growls only account for like
19:58 Monstrata: one slider head and two slider ends tho
19:59 Smoothie World: hmm..
19:59 Smoothie World: what do you think i should do then because tbh i think what i have now is the best option
19:59 Monstrata: 04:37:159 (4) - slider-end yes04:37:356 (5) - sure but 04:37:602 - growl isn't 1/3
19:59 Monstrata: i think using a more normal 1/2 and 1/4 rhythm would be better
19:59 Monstrata: unless you can argue the use of 1/3's here besides "growls sound close enough" because its the only 1/3 rhythm in the whole section
19:59 Smoothie World: can you show me something youd do
20:00 Monstrata: okay
20:00 Monstrata:
http://puu.sh/qL1Hk.jpg20:00 Monstrata: some variant of that?
20:01 Monstrata: 04:37:306 - 04:37:454 - 04:37:602 - all have beats on them
20:02 Monstrata: and its like the main instrument, or dominant sound imo
20:02 Smoothie World: oh i actually like what i came up with
20:02 Smoothie World:
http://i.imgur.com/jM78inq.jpg20:02 Smoothie World: used your rhythm
20:02 Monstrata: sweet
20:03 Monstrata: by 1365 x 768 triggered
20:04 Smoothie World: is that not ok :c
20:04 Monstrata: thats fine lol
20:04 Monstrata: 01:51:838 (1) -
20:04 Monstrata: what color did you pick here?
20:04 Monstrata: so i can check if spinners down the road also need to be changed
20:04 Monstrata: err combo colors*
20:05 Monstrata: indigo or light purple
20:05 Smoothie World: the purple-but-not-quite-purple color
20:05 Monstrata: 03:33:907 (1) - change this to purple but not quite purple too
20:06 Monstrata: actually just use light purple
20:06 Smoothie World: ok
20:06 Monstrata: k thats all update
20:07 Smoothie World: done
20:08 Monstrata: btw, AR 9.6 is better than 9.7 in a lot of cases, since ppl who do AR 9.66 dt can do AR 9.6 but are less acustomed to AR 9.7 so you'd actually get a larger target audience
20:08 Monstrata: but its up to you xD. that was my reason for using 9.6 instead of 9.7 on quaver xD
20:08 Smoothie World: i think 9.7 is better
20:08 Monstrata: someone checked metadata right
20:08 Smoothie World: complex patterns
20:08 Monstrata: true
20:08 Smoothie World: ya its same tags and stuff as other camellia maps
20:09 Smoothie World: tell me when youre about to
20:09 Smoothie World: cause i wanna make a video
20:09 Monstrata: make a video? of? xD
20:09 Smoothie World: youll see
20:09 Smoothie World: just a stupid video
20:09 Monstrata: 04:36:567 (1,2) - positioning 2 in between 1 might be better strcturally
20:09 Monstrata: ehh actually idk might damage flow
20:10 Monstrata: nvm
20:10 Smoothie World: ya
20:10 Smoothie World: hurts flow
20:13 Monstrata: i wonder if slider track override blends with bg a bit too much...
20:15 Monstrata: ehh should be fine... what do you think of making the slider-border slightly brigher tho?
20:16 Smoothie World: what color do you suggest?
20:16 Monstrata: im trying with
20:16 Monstrata: SliderBorder : 178,102,255
20:16 Smoothie World: should i do that
20:16 Monstrata: if you like it
20:17 Monstrata: if not, just leave it, i doubt ppl will even complain about it
20:18 Monstrata: it just seems like an issue that miiiight be brought up maybe. if someone nazi decides to check lol
20:18 Monstrata: if you prefer to keep, then i'm gonna qualify
20:18 Smoothie World: ya that one looks nice ill use that
20:18 Monstrata: o sweet
20:18 Monstrata: kk
20:18 Smoothie World: updating
20:18 Monstrata: kk tell me when to qualify
20:20 Smoothie World: ok go