It's finally bubbled
I've got some exams, but I'll try to rank it again a bit laterCSLM wrote:
Kenterz! Don't give up!
Jigglypuff partMazziv wrote:
also why is vocaloid in the tags?
LOLKenterz wrote:
Jigglypuff partMazziv wrote:
also why is vocaloid in the tags?
aww yis,if kenterz doesnt have a pocket BN for this map,i hope you two can work together on getting this ranked C:Bonsai wrote:
LOLKenterz wrote:
also why is vocaloid in the tags?
Jigglypuff part
Do you actually still need BNs? bc iirc I liked this map so ye (I have exams myself tho)
Yes I need BNs :cccBonsai wrote:
Do you actually still need BNs? bc iirc I liked this map so ye (I have exams myself tho)
why not girls tooMazziv wrote:
LETS GO BOYS
Kenterz wrote:
why not girls tooMazziv wrote:
LETS GO BOYS
(so hyped btw)
The part 2 was the end, and it's quite shortMazziv wrote:
i cant wait to see this ranked! i highly appreciate your work on this marathon map! i hope to see a part 2 of it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
BN*Kenterz wrote:
It's long...
I don't like to spam BATs, that's maybe the reason
_Gezo_ wrote:
BN*Kenterz wrote:
It's long...
I don't like to spam BATs, that's maybe the reason
:^)
I'm trying, it's not easy :cXendogenesis wrote:
pls rank tis map bby pls
yes pls bn wake upKenterz wrote:
I'm trying, it's not easy :cXendogenesis wrote:
pls rank tis map bby pls
Golden Sun is the name of one of the tracks in the medley, but this is a cut version so the song is gone.. may want to remove it from the tags along with ntd03, unless you wanna keep these for the people who want to find the source of the separate songs lolMaruyu wrote:
quick question: noticed golden sun is on the tags but don't really see any track from that game, so why is it there
I'll keep it in the tags, since it's in the full versionBlue Dragon wrote:
Golden Sun is the name of one of the tracks in the medley, but this is a cut version so the song is gone.. may want to remove it from the tags along with ntd03, unless you wanna keep these for the people who want to find the source of the separate songs lolMaruyu wrote:
quick question: noticed golden sun is on the tags but don't really see any track from that game, so why is it there
First thanks for the mod :3Bonsai wrote:
Yoo dude sorry for taking so long, my general modding-motivation just hit a low and combined with my hands needing rest and me not being at home much currently it just piled up ;_; welp here I goI think I'll end this mod for now, there are just a lot of general repeating issues, mainly differentiation and seemingly random emphasis at times; All in all I also lack an aesthetic structure of the map in general, for the most part there aren't really any recognizable patterns used at all and it seems like the objects are simply placed in order to play good without much thought behind it, but it doesn't play especially good either since the usage of angles and spacing seems rather unpolished as well, spacings for similar things vary highly without any musical cue or any recognizable system behind it, and after looking at 1/4 of the map I didn't really spot anything recognizable in the map that would make me remember it except for the fact that it's a long map, every section seems extremely similar and beat placement doesn't use the provided rhythms as much as it could at many places..
- 00:01:621 (3,6,5,1,2) - It seems a bit weird to me that some of the sliders are supported by drumrolls in the song and some aren't, maybe make the sliderbodies drum-sampleset since the drum-sliderslide fits perfectly, so it seems like all of them are supported? Maybe even a soft-sliderwhistle on top of it?
If you don't want all of them to seem like drumrolls then I'd rather see a bit more differentiation, bc 00:05:095 (1,2) being mapped the same doesn't seem that fitting to me, I'd rather suggest this rhythm; which would only leave 00:02:253 (6) as an "overmapped drumroll" which seems to me like it could easily do with just being circles too, since 00:02:884 (2,3,3,4) are only circles too- Generally I feel like drum-sampleset would fit a large portion of the map better as most of the songs are rather noisy and the soft-hitnormals are veery hard to hear in very many sections, please reconsider your sampleset-choices again Hmmm... I don't feel like drums are better than soft hitsounds. They feel good with the drumrolls from the very beginning of the map, but not with the rest of the map. There's not the same drumrolls, these others one are represented by a hitsound already, and I don't feel like the drum would fit with the melody. Moreover I don't feel like not hearing the soft hitnormals very much is not a problem when playing (at least when I was playing it), there's still hitsounds to help you synchronize with the song.
- 00:13:621 (5,6,7,1) - idk if you have autostacking enabled in editor but these are almost touching, is that intended?
Looking at 00:22:699 (9,1,2,3) it seems like you don't have it enabled - looks very uneven I disagree, I think this last pattern is quite cool. And yes, I don't have auto stacking enabled, so there's some little pattern like that which aren't the greatest possible. I'll try to fix other patterns like this- Is there any system behind the used spacing for 1/4s in the first section? Currently you switch between x0,75 x0,65 x0,85 x1,0 x0,8 a lot but I can't really see why as it doesn't increase or decrease with any musical cues, this makes it all seem slightly chaotic to me There's no reason behind this except aesthetic and pattern diversity. I don't find this annoying when playing
- 00:22:937 (3,4) and 00:23:884 (8,1) - How about ctrl-g'ing this to follow the new synth here? Seems weird to me that you even skip a 1/2 with 00:23:411 (5) when you didn't emphasize that sound in the previous and following objects, either do it at all or at none
- 00:39:200 (1,2,3) - ctrl-g'ing here would make more sense to me too as the background-melody has a holding note starting at 00:39:200 whereas 00:39:516 and 00:39:674 are two separate kicks
I kinda dislike how you ignore those kicks quite often, bc after starting to give them a special pattern at 00:37:306 (3,4,5) I expected them to be consistently emphasized from there on, but you only repeat that sometimes, like at 00:47:411 (4,5,6) again, while leaving it out at many places even though it's the same thing, like at 00:42:358 (4) -00:49:621 (2) -
The kicks also lose their emphasis at 00:52:463 (4,5,6,7) because they are merely part of a longer circle-chain, I'd suggest making 00:52:148 (2,3) a slider to differentiate better- 00:54:990 (9,10,1) - Look at this ingame or enable hit-animations in the editor, it looks very uneven to me, I'd suggest something like this
- 00:35:411 (1,2) - 00:40:463 (1,2) - 00:45:516 (1,2) - 00:50:569 (1,2) - 00:55:621 (1,2) - 00:58:148 (1,2) - Why is the spacing of those so vastly different? I'm not saying that you need to stay 100% consistent with the spacing through the entire map, but switching from x0,9 to x0,3 is very noticable but I see no reason in the song for that and I can't recognise any system behind it either, to be quite honest it just seems random to me Like above, it's for some pattern diversity. It's kinda part of my mapping style. Since every spacing from 0.3 to 0.9 looks fine, I use randomly some of them
- 01:22:779 (5) - Again making this two circles would be cool in order to incorporate the kicks here
- 01:31:621 (5,6) - I see no reason for this offbeat to have such a big jump on, seems like you just ran out of patterns or idk - 01:32:884 (5,6) would suit a jump much better since there's kicks here "Well I don't know where to put this so... Let's make a jump here" I moved it on 01:30:990 (1) - 's head
- 01:36:990 (6) - I'd like to suggest replacing this with two low-spaced circles in order to create a better transition between these two sections, for some reason the way it currently is seems weird to me, maybe because the strong beat indicates the new section at 01:37:306 but you already made the huge change happen at 01:36:990 (6) which makes 01:37:306 (1) not special in any way GENIUS
- 01:39:358 - It might not be very audible but almost every pkmn-fan probably knows that the original song has a note here so it feels weird to me that it's empty It's the same note here, and it's barely inaudible. I added a note and stacked it with the previous one, then this feeling will be conserved
- 01:39:832 (1,2,3,4) - I lack differentiation here, there's a lot of different stuff going on in the melody but you just mapped it as a slider-chain - suggestion
If you like that rhythm, I'd also suggest the same rhythm at 01:49:937 (1,2,3,4) bc right now the clicking rhythm is the same at 01:48:674 (1,2,3) and 01:49:937 (1,2,3) even though the melody is different (no I don't like this rythm xD, and I just added the slider without repet since there's a note 1/2 beat atfer the repet)- 01:41:727 (4,5) - this could use more spacing, rn it's spaced like a normal beat but it's a really strong, special beat which you also emphasized at 01:39:200 (3,4) with the 180°-turn, so why not emphasize it here too?
If you emphasize this more, also emphasize those strong beats more at 01:44:569 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I don't feel like making jump in a 1/2 beat stream with the same spacing is a good idea- 01:43:463 (6,1) - Why is this stacked? You didn't use stacks for anything like this before o: Why not ? :3
- 01:47:727 (2,3,4) - I don't understand why you spaced (2,3) so low but (3,4) so high, they are both strong notes in the melody but on top of that there is still the regular 4/4-rhythm which emphasizes downbeats more than upbeats, you did the opposite in the map here, why? Because I don't map the jumps according to the melody but according to the pattern I'm seeing in my head (my mapping style from today is much more diversied, so you can't really notice this kind of things)
- 02:00:832 (4) - I don't really see the point of this offbeat-slider, there's nothing on 02:00:832 justifying it imo There's not a sound from the melody but from a drum (this is why you can hear 2 claps)
- 02:02:253 (5) - suggesting circles for better differentiation again
- 02:09:516 (3,4) - I don't understand this spacing again, the jump generally feels really huge as it's the biggest in the whole section, but also it's again an offbeat being emphasized most even though it has no sound on it that seems to justify it being more emphasized than the onbeat, 02:09:516 (3)
- 02:19:779 (4) - 02:24:832 (4) - suggesting two circles again bc kicks
- 02:37:937 (1,2,3,4) - Why are those jumps so big? I can't spot any strong beats on them and it builds a really weird contrast with 02:38:569 (6,7) which forces the player to slow down very much after moving so quick there, seems weird and unjustified to me
- 02:47:963 - 02:49:227 - Seems like very nice opportunities to place some 1/4s and you mapped them in the following places too, why not here?
- 02:45:516 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - You placed circles at 02:46:463 (4,5) even though there is nothing different happening in the song, but then use mostly sliders in the next section again even though it is full of 1/2-kicks that haven't been in the song before, and you even use the same spacing - Those two combos are vastly different in the song but not represented in the map at all
02:51:990 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Now this is mapped like there would be full-1/2-kicks but actually the only 'additional' kick in the song is at 02:52:306 (4) which I don't see represented in the map at all either, it's just one continuous circle-chain that doesn't seem to emphasize anything at all
I see a major lack of differentiation in patterns like these and it makes the map seem disconnected from the song at places, kind of lackluster- 02:56:963 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - uhmm you might want to use the 'convert slider to stream'-method for streams like these bc that just looks really messy
- 02:59:095 (5,4) - Is there any special reason for this overlap? Since you've never really used a pattern like that anywhere else it's very unexpected and special, but I can't see anything special in the music to justify that
- 03:24:200 - this is the only time in this section where you put a melody-note on a slidertail, why?
- 03:32:095 (6,1) - This is extremely hard to play since the spacing is really huge + the player has to do 180°-turn on the head of (1), you didn't emphasize any other beat like this one, just compare it with 03:33:358 (6,1) - 03:34:463 (5,1) - 03:35:727 (5,1) - 03:37:148 (6,1) - etc etc, please nerf that one
- 03:50:253 (5,6,7,8,9) - Why is there such a huge spacing-increase when nothing in the music is happening?
- 04:15:516 (3) - Maybe replace this one with circles to differentiate from notes having melody and notes having none again?
- 04:19:463 - kinda sad that this melody-note gets ignored, how about this?
pretty much the same applies for 04:32:411 -- 04:22:779 (1) - again lacking differentiation here
- 04:43:621 (4,5,6) - There's 1/4s going on here, why not map them?
- 04:53:411 (3,4) - again a differentiation-issue, would recommend replacing (3) with circles
- 05:19:621 (1,2,3,4) - aaaaa differentiation
- 05:50:884 (8,9,1) - Why do you emphasize (9) so much but (1) not at all when it seems like this whole patterns is trying to build up to (1)?
- 05:54:200 (3) - again I don't see why this is the only offbeat-slider in this section
- Something that I noticed in a lot of places but never as clear as here: 06:00:674 (5,6,1) - You tend to use sliders flowing smoothly into each other with very low spacing a lot which doesn't give any emphasis at all on beats that deserve that deserve emphasis very well, it doesn't fit to the relatively large spacing you give other surrounding beats
another good example is 06:05:884 (5,6,1) -: (4,5,6) requires a loot of turning around and moving in sharp angels which emphasizes a lot even though the spacing is rather low, as opposed to (6,1) which is spaced a bit more but requires no special movement from the player at all since it just flows into each other, but I think it's very clear that (1) deserves more emphasis than (6)
basically the same at 06:01:937 (4,5,1) -, I don't see the reason for it to be spaced/emphasized that way
for some reason you tend to use such low emphasis almost all of those major crashes, for example at 06:22:463 (5,1) - too
Let's see what your reply looks like and maybe I can help you further, but right now it just seems like there are a lot of small things lacking in quality which piles up to the map in general not feeling very great, it feels like it could use a lot more thought and concept behind it instead of just kinda mapping along to the music
I hope this didn't demotivate you too much, be sure to hit me up ingame if you have any questions!
It's not really unrankable, it's just that some patterns are random (circles / slider head don't follow emphasized beats) :/Blue Dragon wrote:
damn man... it's disheartening to see this ;_;
the map definitely has its 2013-14 styled charm, while it's not fit to today's standards i don't see how it's unrankable
and having you remap it entirely after so much trouble... damn dude, i'm just so sorry >:
good luck with this map, really