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Naxess
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on den 28 juli 2016 at 19:39:37

Artist: 0mega
Title: No.3
Source: 東方Project
Tags: Touhou ZUN 少女さとり ~ 3rd eye Satori Maiden Stage 4 Boss Komeiji Theme Subterranean Animism 東方アレンジ BMS Instrumental Omega Progressive Baroque
BPM: 174
Filesize: 3777kb
Play Time: 01:58
Difficulties Available:
  1. Advanced (2,31 stars, 219 notes)
  2. Hard (3,01 stars, 298 notes)
  3. Hyper (3,68 stars, 343 notes)
  4. Lunatic (4,38 stars, 409 notes)
  5. Normal (1,81 stars, 131 notes)
Download: 0mega - No.3
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Satori Komeiji's Theme, 3rd Eye



All by me


Mods (M4Ms here we go)
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M4Ms
1. Yanganof
3. Ponoyoshi
4. Aeril
5. Plaudible
6. Frostt
7. Exile-
8. hanyuu_nanodesu
9. 6th
10. Ayyri
11. sahuang

Free Mods
2. ReFaller

NMs
none
Yanganof
Heyo~

Really nice map :)

General
Map the part from 01:20:086 to 01:31:121 (1) as this is a very intense part of the song
You've got some overlaps that could be reduced

Normal
I think you should map the first break until 00:26:293 as it's somewhat intense
Increase CS to 3?
00:11:121 (1,2) - try to make 2 blanket 1
01:05:603 (2,1) - make 1 blanket 2
01:32:155 (3,1,2) - maybe wanna make 3 and 2 blanket 1?

Hard
00:02:500 (3) - Maybe wanna replace some of these with short streams?

Insane
Increae CS to 4
00:04:052 (5,1) - stack
00:18:017 (1,1) - stack them or replace the second one to get something like a blanket
00:26:638 (2,3) - stack
00:27:672 (1,2) - ^same
00:29:052 (1,2) - ^same
00:30:086 (4,5) - ^same
00:31:466 (4,5) - ^same
01:34:224 (2,3,4) - this is totally breaking the flow, I think you should reverse 3
01:40:776 (1) - same here, instead of a jump you should stay with DS here
01:44:224 (4,5) - stack those two?
Topic Starter
Naxess
Yanganof

Yanganof wrote:

Heyo~ yooo

Really nice map :) Thanks :D

General
Map the part from 01:20:086 to 01:31:121 (1) as this is a very intense part of the song
Well, the background beat is gone, so I don't really think it's that intense.
Try explaining why it's intense as well, so the mapper can see it from your viewpoint, since "intense" is a subjective term.
You've got some overlaps that could be reduced
I know xD

Normal
I think you should map the first break until 00:26:293 as it's somewhat intense
That's true, but since the part isn't mapped in hard either and a break is recommended every 30 - 60 s, I'll keep it.
Increase CS to 3?
Good call, I guess that'll reduce the overlaps slightly... hopefully lol
00:11:121 (1,2) - try to make 2 blanket 1
I'd definitely like to, but I don't think it's possible due to DS and that one of them are on a red tick and the other on the following white tick...
If I ever change them to end on white ticks I'll do so, however.
It'd be best to give an image as an example, so the mapper can see how you did it.
01:05:603 (2,1) - make 1 blanket 2 ^
01:32:155 (3,1,2) - maybe wanna make 3 and 2 blanket 1?
I guess it looks better, though I'm not sure it flows better, but I'll try it.

Hard
00:02:500 (3) - Maybe wanna replace some of these with short streams?
Repeats are better imo, nice step up from normal.

Insane
Increae CS to 4
Yup, shall do.
00:04:052 (5,1) - stack
It's intentional, makes it harder to aim, acts as an anti-jump and I think it looks better as well.
It can increase your odds of having the mapper accept your suggestion if you tell them why you think so. Give some arguments, for example.
00:18:017 (1,1) - stack them or replace the second one to get something like a blanket ^
Blanketing it wouldn't give the same effect.

00:26:638 (2,3) - stack
Acts as blue tick spacing indicator, for readability. If I just stacked it, then it could be mistaken for being a red tick away like 00:26:466 - to 00:26:638 - , which are stacked.
00:27:672 (1,2) - ^same "same" is unnecessary, simply a ^ is widely accepted.
00:29:052 (1,2) - ^same
00:30:086 (4,5) - ^same
00:31:466 (4,5) - ^same
01:34:224 (2,3,4) - this is totally breaking the flow, I think you should reverse 3
lol you're right, don't know why I kept it like that. Moved 01:34:224 (2,3) - and used Ctrl + G on (3)
01:40:776 (1) - same here, instead of a jump you should stay with DS here
Well, 01:40:776 - is a stressed downbeat, which is why I used a jump.
01:44:224 (4,5) - stack those two?
Blue tick indicator, intentional.

Thanks for the mod and star! ^^
ReFaller
IRC help
13:21 ReFaller: hi, sudden mod for your map
13:21 Naxess: oh sup
13:22 ReFaller: on thread or there?
13:22 Naxess: You mean irc or post on the thread?
13:22 ReFaller: yes
13:22 Naxess: I guess irc will be fine
13:22 ReFaller: ok
13:24 ReFaller: 00:04:052 (5,1) - this distance is a little dangerous, works good when is 1/1 beat pause, i would recommend stack 5 on slider
13:24 ReFaller: 00:07:672 (3) - NC could be useful, because sliders are following for stronger sound there
13:25 ReFaller: 00:18:362 (1) - remove NC there
13:26 Naxess: What about the spacing between 00:18:017 (1,1) - ?
13:26 ReFaller: not really
13:26 ReFaller: it's a 1/1 pause
13:26 ReFaller: it's ok
13:26 Naxess: alright
13:27 ReFaller: 00:30:603 (1,2) - you may increase spacing here - from green circle 5
13:29 ReFaller: 00:34:052 (5) - this is a question, put NC or keep that?
13:29 Naxess: I was thinking about that earlier
13:30 Naxess: I guess I'll NC it because it's a new pattern
13:32 ReFaller: 01:06:552 (2) - move on x364 y260 - will be more equal spacing between surrounding objects
13:34 ReFaller: 01:53:190 (1) - put the brak after spinner (forgot?)
13:34 ReFaller: break*
13:35 ReFaller: ok, now i take care for hard
13:38 ReFaller: 00:05:862 (2) - if you remove this circle, and previous slider would end there?
13:40 ReFaller: this slider is a trap while playing, i recommend stacked circles on slider 4 instead
13:41 Naxess: forgot to link which part?
13:41 ReFaller: is for Hard diff
13:41 ReFaller: XD
13:41 ReFaller: 00:07:500 (3) - this
13:41 Naxess: there xD
13:42 Naxess: Yeah I wanted to change that, have any suggestions?
13:42 ReFaller: i caught similar moment later
13:43 Naxess: alright stacked circles instead
13:43 Naxess: same for 00:18:534 -
13:43 ReFaller: hmm
13:44 ReFaller: on 18 second 1/2 slider is also good option
13:44 Naxess: Coincidentally, that is exactly what I had before someone else pointed it out lol
13:46 Naxess: I'll try it like this, since both 1/4 slider and circles options were a bit harsh http://puu.sh/pr4Fn/b9041b07e1.jpg
13:46 ReFaller: good
13:47 ReFaller: 00:23:534 (1) - this part till next spinner sucks :3
13:48 Naxess: yuuup lol
13:48 Naxess: I'll fix that
13:49 ReFaller: i'm thinking how to explain
13:50 ReFaller: otherwise, this part should have 1/1 sliders mixed with 1/2 or 3/4
13:52 ReFaller: personally, i'm doing on these parts mostly 1/1 sliders
13:53 Naxess: I was thinking something like this, but perhaps that'd fit more for insane http://puu.sh/pr4YZ/0939dd7eb1.jpg
13:54 ReFaller: i will check that
13:56 ReFaller: it works
13:56 Naxess: nice
13:56 ReFaller: 00:26:293 (1) - but map this part to not have a breaktime
13:59 ReFaller: 00:57:672 (4) - lol spacing, base 1,3x and sudden 1,0x
14:00 Naxess: blame the timing point xD
14:00 Naxess: Oh wait I've actually spaced it more there...
14:00 ReFaller: 00:57:672 (4) - x386 y202
14:01 ReFaller: 01:20:086 (5) - NC there
14:01 Naxess: yeh
14:03 ReFaller: 01:40:776 (1,2,3,4) - so, fix this spacing because you changed SV in green line
14:04 ReFaller: 00:45:603 (1,2,3) - i would back for notice similar point
14:06 ReFaller: i'm already playing normal
14:09 ReFaller: 00:31:810 (1,1,1) - objects have random spacing, but i have another idea for this part
14:10 ReFaller: i listen music when click on gray circle, sounds are fade out
14:11 ReFaller: i prefer (it's not recommendation) a spinner instead of three objects
14:11 Naxess: for 00:31:810 - to 00:34:569 - ?
14:11 Naxess: or from 00:34:569 -
14:12 ReFaller: exactly
14:12 Naxess: former then I'm guessing
14:12 Naxess: Well spinners are often used when there's no clear impact and just a constant sound fading in or out...
14:13 Naxess: 00:31:810 - 00:33:190 - but in this case there are two clear impacts
14:13 ReFaller: so, i have idea if you want to keep these objects
14:14 ReFaller: add one reverse into sliders and space with DS
14:14 ReFaller: 1,0 as usually you used
14:15 Naxess: Wait, you mean like this? xD http://puu.sh/pr5Yl/020aeea8a0.jpg
14:15 Naxess: One huge revese slider?
14:15 ReFaller: no, no
14:15 ReFaller: keep lenght of these sliders
14:16 Naxess: Ooh I see
14:16 ReFaller: it's 0,9 SV from greel line,hmm
14:16 Naxess: That works really great
14:16 ReFaller: use 1,1DS for this
14:17 ReFaller: if you are patient, look for other moments when you used 0,9 SV on timin point
14:17 ReFaller: then set objects in 1,1 DS
14:17 ReFaller: when you used 1,1 SV, use 0,9 DS
14:17 Naxess: So you mean that decreased SV should not decrease spacing
14:17 ReFaller: yes, sometimes it looks messy
14:18 Naxess: alright
14:18 ReFaller: 01:42:155 (1) - 1,1 SV, 0,9 DS
14:20 ReFaller: do you remember wha DS for 0,9 SV?
14:21 ReFaller: it will be 1,1 ds
14:21 ReFaller: except this, no more issues
Topic Starter
Naxess

ReFaller wrote:

IRC help
13:21 ReFaller: hi, sudden mod for your map
13:21 Naxess: oh sup
13:22 ReFaller: on thread or there?
13:22 Naxess: You mean irc or post on the thread?
13:22 ReFaller: yes
13:22 Naxess: I guess irc will be fine
13:22 ReFaller: ok
13:24 ReFaller: 00:04:052 (5,1) - this distance is a little dangerous, works good when is 1/1 beat pause, i would recommend stack 5 on slider
Stacked, previous mod suggested this as well.
13:24 ReFaller: 00:07:672 (3) - NC could be useful, because sliders are following for stronger sound there
NCed
13:25 ReFaller: 00:18:362 (1) - remove NC there
Removed for now, anti-jumps are usually NCed.
13:26 Naxess: What about the spacing between 00:18:017 (1,1) - ?
13:26 ReFaller: not really
13:26 ReFaller: it's a 1/1 pause
13:26 ReFaller: it's ok
13:26 Naxess: alright
13:27 ReFaller: 00:30:603 (1,2) - you may increase spacing here - from green circle 5
Increased spacing
13:29 ReFaller: 00:34:052 (5) - this is a question, put NC or keep that?
NCed
13:29 Naxess: I was thinking about that earlier
13:30 Naxess: I guess I'll NC it because it's a new pattern
13:32 ReFaller: 01:06:552 (2) - move on x364 y260 - will be more equal spacing between surrounding objects
Moved
13:34 ReFaller: 01:53:190 (1) - put the brak after spinner (forgot?)
Was originally meant to drain, but draining right before the end seems a bit harsh, so added break.
13:34 ReFaller: break*
13:35 ReFaller: ok, now i take care for hard
13:38 ReFaller: 00:05:862 (2) - if you remove this circle, and previous slider would end there?
Now 1/4 slider gap, as suggested.
13:40 ReFaller: this slider is a trap while playing, i recommend stacked circles on slider 4 instead
13:41 Naxess: forgot to link which part?
13:41 ReFaller: is for Hard diff
13:41 ReFaller: XD
13:41 ReFaller: 00:07:500 (3) - this
Now 1/4 slider gap as well.
13:41 Naxess: there xD
13:42 Naxess: Yeah I wanted to change that, have any suggestions?
13:42 ReFaller: i caught similar moment later
13:43 Naxess: alright stacked circles instead
13:43 Naxess: same for 00:18:534 -
13:43 ReFaller: hmm
13:44 ReFaller: on 18 second 1/2 slider is also good option
13:44 Naxess: Coincidentally, that is exactly what I had before someone else pointed it out lol
13:46 Naxess: I'll try it like this, since both 1/4 slider and circles options were a bit harsh http://puu.sh/pr4Fn/b9041b07e1.jpg
13:46 ReFaller: good
13:47 ReFaller: 00:23:534 (1) - this part till next spinner sucks :3
Remapped
13:48 Naxess: yuuup lol
13:48 Naxess: I'll fix that
13:49 ReFaller: i'm thinking how to explain
13:50 ReFaller: otherwise, this part should have 1/1 sliders mixed with 1/2 or 3/4
13:52 ReFaller: personally, i'm doing on these parts mostly 1/1 sliders
13:53 Naxess: I was thinking something like this, but perhaps that'd fit more for insane http://puu.sh/pr4YZ/0939dd7eb1.jpg
13:54 ReFaller: i will check that
13:56 ReFaller: it works
13:56 Naxess: nice
13:56 ReFaller: 00:26:293 (1) - but map this part to not have a breaktime
Break removed
13:59 ReFaller: 00:57:672 (4) - lol spacing, base 1,3x and sudden 1,0x
Increased spacing for consistency
14:00 Naxess: blame the timing point xD
14:00 Naxess: Oh wait I've actually spaced it more there...
14:00 ReFaller: 00:57:672 (4) - x386 y202
14:01 ReFaller: 01:20:086 (5) - NC there
NCed
14:01 Naxess: yeh
14:03 ReFaller: 01:40:776 (1,2,3,4) - so, fix this spacing because you changed SV in green line
Increased spacing for consistency here as well.
Fixed some other similar parts.
14:04 ReFaller: 00:45:603 (1,2,3) - i would back for notice similar point
14:06 ReFaller: i'm already playing normal
14:09 ReFaller: 00:31:810 (1,1,1) - objects have random spacing, but i have another idea for this part
The two sliders are now repeats.
14:10 ReFaller: i listen music when click on gray circle, sounds are fade out
14:11 ReFaller: i prefer (it's not recommendation) a spinner instead of three objects
14:11 Naxess: for 00:31:810 - to 00:34:569 - ?
14:11 Naxess: or from 00:34:569 -
14:12 ReFaller: exactly
14:12 Naxess: former then I'm guessing
14:12 Naxess: Well spinners are often used when there's no clear impact and just a constant sound fading in or out...
14:13 Naxess: 00:31:810 - 00:33:190 - but in this case there are two clear impacts
14:13 ReFaller: so, i have idea if you want to keep these objects
14:14 ReFaller: add one reverse into sliders and space with DS
14:14 ReFaller: 1,0 as usually you used
14:15 Naxess: Wait, you mean like this? xD http://puu.sh/pr5Yl/020aeea8a0.jpg
14:15 Naxess: One huge revese slider?
14:15 ReFaller: no, no
14:15 ReFaller: keep lenght of these sliders
14:16 Naxess: Ooh I see
14:16 ReFaller: it's 0,9 SV from greel line,hmm
14:16 Naxess: That works really great
14:16 ReFaller: use 1,1DS for this
14:17 ReFaller: if you are patient, look for other moments when you used 0,9 SV on timin point
14:17 ReFaller: then set objects in 1,1 DS
14:17 ReFaller: when you used 1,1 SV, use 0,9 DS
14:17 Naxess: So you mean that decreased SV should not decrease spacing
14:17 ReFaller: yes, sometimes it looks messy
14:18 Naxess: alright
14:18 ReFaller: 01:42:155 (1) - 1,1 SV, 0,9 DS
Decreased spacing
14:20 ReFaller: do you remember wha DS for 0,9 SV?
14:21 ReFaller: it will be 1,1 ds
14:21 ReFaller: except this, no more issues
Thanks again :)
PoNo
:roll: Hi, M4M

Easy
Blankets who could be better: (In my opinon)
00:13:190 (2) -
00:46:293 (2) -
00:47:672 (2) -
01:46:983 (2) -
00:03:534 (2) -
01:06:983 (2) -

00:06:293 (2) - Maybe a reverse can change the rythme cause this part looks faster
00:17:328 (2) - ^

00:07:328 (2) - Why don't add a circle there ? It's look very empty without
00:18:362 (2) - ^

00:20:776 (1,2,3,4) - You can use the same rythme than 00:09:741 (1,2) -

00:38:534 (3) - Try to place a circle here
00:49:569 (3) - ^

01:16:638 (2) - C/C 1 for 2
01:49:569 (2) - C/C 2 for 2

Hard
I think you have to Increases the reading of the map, cause sometimes it's very compact and Easily missread

Blankets who could be better: (In my opinon)
00:05:603 (1) -
00:15:259 (1) - You can move the 1 to blanket the 4
00:36:983 (4) -
00:49:052 (3) -
00:55:776 (3) -
01:34:569 (4) -

00:11:810 (4) - First play I do 2 miss on this pattern, also, maybe rework the flow, that can be the cause.

00:18:621 (3) - Change the lenght of 2 to RedTick And place a circle on blue one, could be better

00:21:638 (4) - Maybe try this

00:25:086 (2,3) - Increases the snap cause you snapped it like a 1/4 on the first play I confound that with a triple

00:46:121 (2) - This overlap looks strange

00:26:638 (2) - Increases the snap
00:33:190 (1) - ^ a little bit

01:02:500 (2) - Idk, for a begginner [hard player] if it's not too hard

Insane
00:03:362 (3) - place it a 272 344 feels better than reduce a little bit 00:04:741 (3) -

00:05:776 (2) - Why don't make a triple here ?

00:06:810 (9) - A kick slider is hard here, maybe a triple could be better?

00:10:086 (3) - This is little bit bad overlapped

00:22:155 (1) - End the stream on this tick than place the spinner one the blue tick

00:34:052 (1,2,3) - Blanket the 4

00:38:707 (1) - For me the music make the 1 below the 4, it's just a flow suggestion

01:18:017 (3) - Kinda oversnapped

01:51:810 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Strange stream shape, just a note

You need to improve the flow of this difficulty, but the rythmics are pretty good !
Aeril
hngggg hello m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m i have opinions
[Normal]
BTW, in a normal/easy difficulty, you should keep a constant slider velocity and not have any slider velocity changes
  1. 00:04:914 (2) - this would look like a qt pie if it was either parallel to 00:04:224 (1) - or blanketing it
  2. 00:13:190 (2) - imo this would look better as a straight or lesser curve
  3. 00:19:397 (1) - maybe curve this towards the next slider
  4. 00:38:534 - maybe try to get a beat in here by either another hitcircle or changing the previous to a 1/2 slider
  5. 00:49:569 - ^
  6. 01:09:052 (1,2,3,1,2) - why is this section much more dense than the kiai? shouldnt it be the other way around?
  7. 01:16:638 (2) - i feel this would look prettier if it was an exact copy of 01:15:948 (1) - just flipped
  8. 01:33:707 - like earlier -w-
  9. 01:45:431 - maybe here too
  10. maybe try mapping during the last break as to build up to that spinner instead of just having it randomly after a break so that new players won't think that the song is over and will keep playing and not be mad over breaking on a spinner they didn't know was there
[Hard]
  1. maybe lower the sv down to 1.4 because the sv of the normal was 1 so the difference is kind of jarring
  2. maybe wait for the kiai to put in the jumps not at the beginning of the song so as to give the feeling of increased difficulty -w-
  3. 00:12:845 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - maybe give this pattern some variation instead of just straight lines, as it is, its kind of boring
  4. 00:24:397 (3) - maybe move this circle elsewhere as the overlap kind of makes this pattern difficult to read
  5. 00:26:293 (1,2) - spacing????
  6. 00:32:845 (3,3) - maybe make these repeat twice like you did earlier
  7. 00:58:707 (3,4) - maybe have 3 touch 4 so it reads easier as one might misread 3 as a one repeat slider instead of 2 when just starting on hards as the spacing isnt the same as normal
  8. 01:01:466 (3,4) - ^
  9. 01:05:603 (3,4) - ^
  10. 01:06:293 (1,2,3,4) - im sorry, but this just looks plain messy, try something like this
  11. 01:09:052 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - pls explain why this entire section and on until break is much more difficult to read and more dense than the kiai? imo you should probably remap this section because there so many overlaps and jumps that its quite difficult to read for a hard even if star rating says it isn't difficult
  12. 01:18:707 (1,2,3,4,1) - dont increase spacing like this please
  13. 01:38:534 (3) - maybe have the slider end stack on 01:37:672 (4) - this slider end so its a bit neater
  14. 01:39:397 (1,2,3) - this pattern is a bit deceiving as 01:39:397 (1) - leads into 01:39:914 (3) - but you have to play 01:39:741 (2) - first, maybe try changing it around so it doesnt come off that way like this
  15. same thing as normal, try mapping during the last break
[Insane]
  1. 00:07:672 (1) - maybe have this look the same as 00:08:190 (3) -
  2. 00:12:328 (6) - move this somewhere else so it doesnt overlap 00:12:500 (1) -
  3. 00:22:155 - maybe map this note as a hitcircle and start the spinner at 00:22:241 -
  4. 00:23:534 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - wtf? the hard is a ton more dense in this section, thats kind of wrong and should be changed around
  5. 01:18:707 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,1) - also why does the spacing increase so slowly in this diff and faster in the hard diff? even though i did say to remove the spacing changes in hard, an insane needs to be harder than a hard in every way
  6. 01:45:603 (4,5) - these seem a bit oddly place, imo they should be 2 repeats and be pointing vertically but meh
  7. 01:52:154 (1,2,3,4,1) - this part of the stream seems like a good idea but it just looks really ehh, maybe just have it be a reverse curve like this
  8. 01:57:328 (1,2,3,4) - shouldnt this be a stream?
  9. same thing as before, maybe try mapping during the last difficulty -w-
pretty solid insane difficulty though the other diffs need a bit of work imo bai im tired
Topic Starter
Naxess
Ponoyoshi

Ponoyoshi wrote:

:roll: Hi, M4M

[Easy]
Blankets who could be better: (In my opinon)
00:13:190 (2) -
Now blankets 00:13:879 (1) - .
00:46:293 (2) -
I'd like to... but DS is sort of preventing me because the first slider is already blanketed xD
00:47:672 (2) -
Now blankets tail of 00:46:983 (1) - .
01:46:983 (2) -
Now blankets tail of 01:46:293 (1) - .
00:03:534 (2) -
Now blankets tail of 00:02:845 (1) - .
01:06:983 (2) -
Now blankets tail of 01:06:293 (1) - .

00:06:293 (2) - Maybe a reverse can change the rythme cause this part looks faster
00:17:328 (2) - ^
That wouldn't emphasize the downbeats properly.

00:07:328 (2) - Why don't add a circle there ? It's look very empty without
00:18:362 (2) - ^
I'll keep this for now, I think it's fine since it emphasizes the finishes.
Second part was solely for consistency.


00:20:776 (1,2,3,4) - You can use the same rythme than 00:09:741 (1,2) -
Good idea, changed for consistency.

00:38:534 (3) - Try to place a circle here
00:49:569 (3) - ^
Aeril's mod mentioned this as well, changed to a 1/2 slider.
(circle is a bit much imo and would leave 00:39:224 - empty)


01:16:638 (2) - C/C 1 for 2
01:49:569 (2) - C/C 2 for 2
Don't know what "C/C" means, but I've made them both flipped copies for symmetry.
[Hard]
I think you have to Increases the reading of the map, cause sometimes it's very compact and Easily missread

Blankets who could be better: (In my opinon)
00:05:603 (1) -
00:15:259 (1) - You can move the 1 to blanket the 4
00:36:983 (4) -
00:49:052 (3) -
00:55:776 (3) -
01:34:569 (4) -
Fixed the last three.
The others would break flow, and imo flow is more important than blankets.

00:11:810 (4) - First play I do 2 miss on this pattern, also, maybe rework the flow, that can be the cause.
00:12:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - If you meant this, I think it's fine, just follow the shape and click to the beat.
00:11:121 (1,2,3,4) - If you meant this, then basically think of it as a blanket. If a blanket works, why shouldn't this?

It's possible that the missed emphasization at 00:12:155 - caused it (don't really know which notes you missed so it's sort of hard to tell and a "pattern" can be any size), but I'll wait for more opinions before changing it.

00:18:621 (3) - Change the lenght of 2 to RedTick And place a circle on blue one, could be better
I've tried pretty much all possible patterns now lol, changed 00:07:328 (2,3) - as well for consistency.

00:21:638 (4) - Maybe try this
Stacking would be sort of strange imo, since it's still rising in pitch.

00:25:086 (2,3) - Increases the snap cause you snapped it like a 1/4 on the first play I confound that with a triple
Yeh, remapped 00:23:534 - to 00:26:638 - .

00:46:121 (2) - This overlap looks strange
Well, at least you can see that there's a circle under the sliderbody this way... xD
(bad excuse for not wanting to move stuff around lol)


00:26:638 (2) - Increases the snap
00:33:190 (1) - ^ a little bit
Not really sure what you mean by "Increases the snap"...
Beat snap divisor? That doesn't make sense.
Distance spacing? I guess that'd make most sense, so I'm going with that.

First was remapped, second I'll fix as well.

01:02:500 (2) - Idk, for a begginner [hard player] if it's not too hard
I'll wait for more opinions.

[Insane]
00:03:362 (3) - place it a 272 344 feels better than reduce a little bit 00:04:741 (3) -
I don't really think this is necessary, though I'll change it if others think so too.

00:05:776 (2) - Why don't make a triple here ?
Adds momentum for slider and upcoming stream.
EDIT: I didn't realize there was a sound there. Changed with Exile-'s mod.

00:06:810 (9) - A kick slider is hard here, maybe a triple could be better?
I tried triple first, but right after a stream seems a bit harsh. Plus a kickslider is basically just a hold note anyway.

00:10:086 (3) - This is little bit bad overlapped
Moved slightly, though I don't think it's that bad.

00:22:155 (1) - End the stream on this tick than place the spinner one the blue tick
Aeril suggested this as well, changed.

00:34:052 (1,2,3) - Blanket the 4
These are rotated 120 degrees each and I have to choose between stacking 00:33:707 (4,3) - and blanketing. I think avoiding a bad overlap is more important. Also it's not really meant to be blanketed anyway, looks good enough as it is imo.

00:38:707 (1) - For me the music make the 1 below the 4, it's just a flow suggestion
I wasn't really thinking of pitch relevance in accordance to the playing field, but I think it's fine since one is pointing down and the other is pointing up.

01:18:017 (3) - Kinda oversnapped
I'm reflecting that the piano increases in pitch instead of decreases like at 01:17:328 (1,2) - .

01:51:810 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Strange stream shape, just a note
Aeril mentioned this as well, changed to a reverse curve instead.

You need to improve the flow of this difficulty, but the rythmics are pretty good !

Aeril

Aeril wrote:

hngggg hello m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m4m i have opinions
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BTW, in a normal/easy difficulty, you should keep a constant slider velocity and not have any slider velocity changes
From what I know, you should try to keep the slider velocity multiplier within a reasonable range as to not confuse newer players with too sudden changes. 1.0x slider velocity to 0.9x should not be a large, unexpected change.

osu!wiki, Standard Ranking Criteria - Guidelines wrote:

/.../ Large, unexpected changes in slider velocity damage the readability and playing experience of the map.
Neither the Ranking Critera nor Difficulty appropriate gameplay elements support your claim, however.
I do understand that the osu!wiki may be outdated, but it doesn't matter. It holds the criteria.
I'd like to see your sources.

I'm still considering whether or not I should change them though.
They are spaced the same way that regular 1.0x SV would be, so I'm sure it'll be fine.

  1. 00:04:914 (2) - this would look like a qt pie if it was either parallel to 00:04:224 (1) - or blanketing it
    Now blanketing 00:04:224 (1) - .
  2. 00:13:190 (2) - imo this would look better as a straight or lesser curve
    Now blanketing 00:13:879 (1) - . First slider is now also less curved.
  3. 00:19:397 (1) - maybe curve this towards the next slider
    Now curves towards the next slider.
  4. 00:38:534 - maybe try to get a beat in here by either another hitcircle or changing the previous to a 1/2 slider
    Ponoyoshi mentioned this as well, now a 1/2 slider.
  5. 00:49:569 - ^
  6. 01:09:052 (1,2,3,1,2) - why is this section much more dense than the kiai? shouldnt it be the other way around?
    The only reason it's mapped denser is because of the piano, but yeah will probably change this soon.
  7. 01:16:638 (2) - i feel this would look prettier if it was an exact copy of 01:15:948 (1) - just flipped
    I agree, changed.
  8. 01:33:707 - like earlier -w-
  9. 01:45:431 - maybe here too
    That's not the same part, you probably meant 01:44:741 - , but as you can see this hypermeasure is mapped differently to reflect the music. Also a circle where you mentioned would break the emphasization pattern of neighboring beats.
  10. maybe try mapping during the last break as to build up to that spinner instead of just having it randomly after a break so that new players won't think that the song is over and will keep playing and not be mad over breaking on a spinner they didn't know was there
    They'll have enough time to realize the song isn't over, so it'll be fine... probably.
[Hard]
  1. maybe lower the sv down to 1.4 because the sv of the normal was 1 so the difference is kind of jarring
    That's true, I'll map an advanced and hyper soon, just need to make sure I don't drown in all the NM requests in my queue...
    EDIT: Advanced and Hyper have now been added.
  2. maybe wait for the kiai to put in the jumps not at the beginning of the song so as to give the feeling of increased difficulty -w-
    Woops, should've thought of that earlier xD , I'll do that in hyper I guess.
  3. 00:12:845 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - maybe give this pattern some variation instead of just straight lines, as it is, its kind of boring
    But it's the straight lines that make up the pattern... curving it wouldn't give the same effect.
  4. 00:24:397 (3) - maybe move this circle elsewhere as the overlap kind of makes this pattern difficult to read
    Yeh, remapped 00:23:534 - to 00:26:638 - .
  5. 00:26:293 (1,2) - spacing???? ^
  6. 00:32:845 (3,3) - maybe make these repeat twice like you did earlier
    That'd fit the song better as well, changed.
  7. 00:58:707 (3,4) - maybe have 3 touch 4 so it reads easier as one might misread 3 as a one repeat slider instead of 2 when just starting on hards as the spacing isnt the same as normal
    These sorts of things are relatively common for hard. This is why most players would hold and only briefly lift in order to register a click on following note, as it's easy to do with such short sliders due to slider leniency. Either way, this way it won't be lacking momentum, so I want to keep it.
  8. 01:01:466 (3,4) - ^
  9. 01:05:603 (3,4) - ^
  10. 01:06:293 (1,2,3,4) - im sorry, but this just looks plain messy, try something like this
    Been pointed out once before, fixed overlaps and aesthetics a bit, now looks like this: (not sure if it's still messy)
  11. 01:09:052 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - pls explain why this entire section and on until break is much more difficult to read and more dense than the kiai? imo you should probably remap this section because there so many overlaps and jumps that its quite difficult to read for a hard even if star rating says it isn't difficult
    I don't see how this is difficult to read. If anything, jumps like 01:10:776 (2,3) - and 01:12:155 (2,3) - will be just as hard as others like 00:43:190 (2,3) - , etc. and there's already a lot of overlaps throughout the other parts of the map and this isn't excessive compared to it, so I don't really see what you mean. The fact that it's denser is just to reflect the music. Kiai uses 1/1s because they fit imo.
    tbh kiai doesn't have to be denser than other parts, it just usually happens to be that way because it often has more beats and is heavier in terms of instruments.
  12. 01:18:707 (1,2,3,4,1) - dont increase spacing like this please
    Volume is increasing. Same case for this as with the other repeat you pointed out as well; because of slider leniency you can just slowly move the cursor at an increasing speed towards the last circle, so it shouldn't be hard to play.
  13. 01:38:534 (3) - maybe have the slider end stack on 01:37:672 (4) - this slider end so its a bit neater
    Good idea, changed.
  14. 01:39:397 (1,2,3) - this pattern is a bit deceiving as 01:39:397 (1) - leads into 01:39:914 (3) - but you have to play 01:39:741 (2) - first, maybe try changing it around so it doesnt come off that way like this
    Curved 01:39:397 (1) - to blanket 01:39:741 (2) - so there's a hint of which direction the next note is. The following repeat should be readable since they always blanketed the first slider in the other patterns.
  15. same thing as normal, try mapping during the last break
[Insane]
  1. 00:07:672 (1) - maybe have this look the same as 00:08:190 (3) -
    Well they don't exactly sound the same so I don't see why they should be parallel.
  2. 00:12:328 (6) - move this somewhere else so it doesnt overlap 00:12:500 (1) -
    Yeah, moved slightly.
  3. 00:22:155 - maybe map this note as a hitcircle and start the spinner at 00:22:241 -
    Ponoyoshi mentioned this as well, changed.
  4. 00:23:534 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - wtf? the hard is a ton more dense in this section, thats kind of wrong and should be changed around
    Woops forgot to change insane after changing hard... made it denser, should be harder than hard's part now.
  5. 01:18:707 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,1) - also why does the spacing increase so slowly in this diff and faster in the hard diff? even though i did say to remove the spacing changes in hard, an insane needs to be harder than a hard in every way
    That's true, increased the spacing incrementation. Still think it'll be harder due to having to follow it more accurately, since these are circles, not short sliders.
  6. 01:45:603 (4,5) - these seem a bit oddly place, imo they should be 2 repeats and be pointing vertically but meh
    Might change that soon, will consider it.
  7. 01:52:154 (1,2,3,4,1) - this part of the stream seems like a good idea but it just looks really ehh, maybe just have it be a reverse curve like this
    Ponoyoshi also pointed this out, yeah reverse curve works nicely.
  8. 01:57:328 (1,2,3,4) - shouldnt this be a stream?
    Following drums here.
  9. same thing as before, maybe try mapping during the last difficulty -w-
    EDIT: Frostt mentioned this as well; the break in Lunatic has now been mapped.
pretty solid insane difficulty though the other diffs need a bit of work imo bai im tired

Thanks for your mods!
Aeril

Aeril wrote:

sorry, but this just looks plain messy, try something like this
Been pointed out once before, fixed overlaps and aesthetics a bit, now looks like this: (not sure if it's still messy)
ye that looks much better
Topic Starter
Naxess
[Update]
  1. Added Advanced
  2. Renamed Insane to "Lunatic"
  3. Minor changes for all difficulties.
Will add Hyper soon™

EDIT: soon™ is now

[Update 2]
  1. Added Hyper
  2. Renamed artist to "0mega" to match official source.
  3. "Omega" was added to the tags in case someone makes the same mistake I did lol
  4. Minor changes in Lunatic to match Hyper.
  5. Increased difficulty settings for Lunatic
    1. OD 6 -> 6.5
    2. HP 6.5 -> 7
[Update 3]
  1. Hitsounded Hyper and Advanced
  2. Fixed minor hitsound issues
  3. Silenced slider ends where it made sense
  4. Added "Progressive Baroque" to the tags to match official source.
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Normal
Staggering helps to make variety in normal difficulties. For example, maybe stagger 00:04:224 (1) to the left and adjust 00:04:052 (3) accordingly. Just preference, but it's something you can play around with. :)
00:41:983 (2) - Move closer to sliderend.

Advanced
00:47:672 (2,1) - Push 2's first slider point down so it makes the pattern of 2 and 1 nicer.
00:49:397 (2) - Try staggering left, see how you like it.
00:57:328 (2,3) - Space out, they overlap
01:10:086 (3,4) - Overlapping, consider moving.
01:12:845 (3,4) - ^ I'm guessing stacking moved your notes
01:36:638 (1,2) - They're almost blanketed anyways, why not blanket slider ends?
01:50:431 (1,2,3,4) - Very rounded, maybe twist some the other way or something? :?

Hard
00:24:052 (2,4) - Too close, adjust this
00:24:914 (1,2,3,4,5) - The stacking here is odd and makes it weird to read, consider change
00:34:224 (3) - Either stack over 00:33:190 (1) or move further from it
01:12:845 (4,5,1) - Space consistently

Hyper
00:39:397 (4,1) - Maybe make the slider ends land on teh same circle
01:18:707 (1) - Maybe you intended this, but the distance between sliders from the others isn't the same. If intended, ignore.
01:41:466 (3) - Put the end onto 01:40:431 (4)

Lunatic
00:11:638 (2,3,4) - Spacing consistency. Put slider closer to 3, or center 3 between 2 and 4.
00:59:741 (2,3,4) - Slight issue with spacing consistency.
01:00:259 (5,6,7) - ^

Wish I had more to mod, considering my beatmap is like twice as long :x
When modding mine, feel free to mod just like two difficulties since it's significantly longer. The least modded are Advanced, -Liddell's Insane, and TeeJoe's Insane, though mod whichever you feel most comfortable with.
Great mapset! Overall, well done.
Ayyri
Hello.

Placeholder for future M4M.

Small thing though, change source to 東方Project rather than "Touhou"


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IRC Mod
2016-07-22 09:59 Ayyri: yo naxess
2016-07-22 09:59 Ayyri: do you care if the m4m is irc
2016-07-22 10:00 Naxess: wait a minute
2016-07-22 10:05 Naxess: ok
2016-07-22 10:05 Naxess: Yeah sure
2016-07-22 10:05 Naxess: Begin when you're ready
2016-07-22 10:08 Naxess: Also take your time, I'm not expecting you to rush the mod lol
2016-07-22 10:08 Ayyri: I gotcha
2016-07-22 10:08 Ayyri: 00:35:948 -
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: Starting at this kiai
2016-07-22 10:09 Naxess: diff=
2016-07-22 10:09 Naxess: ?
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1000383 0mega - No.3 [Normal]]
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: It's normal to go bottom up but :D
2016-07-22 10:09 Naxess: I usually mod like this as well lol
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: yee
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: You have this custom whistle
2016-07-22 10:10 Ayyri: And it's on every other 1/1 beat
2016-07-22 10:10 Ayyri: imo it sounds really weird that you don't have a slider tick hs for this point 00:37:672 -
2016-07-22 10:11 Naxess: How do I add slidertick hitsounds?
2016-07-22 10:11 Naxess: And wouldn't that make ALL sliderticks the same hitsound?
2016-07-22 10:11 Ayyri: no
2016-07-22 10:13 Naxess: Hm... I could briefly change the sampleset to one which has a clap as slidertick and then back
2016-07-22 10:13 Naxess: But isn't there another way?
2016-07-22 10:14 Ayyri: https://puu.sh/qaHtK/b5618c84b4.wav
2016-07-22 10:14 Ayyri: "soft-slidertick2"
2016-07-22 10:14 Ayyri: at either 00:37:586 - or 00:37:672 - change the custom hs to 2
2016-07-22 10:14 Naxess: That's the only way huh
2016-07-22 10:15 Ayyri: then back to 1 at 00:37:759 -
2016-07-22 10:15 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 10:15 Naxess: Alright I'll do that
2016-07-22 10:15 Ayyri: Also
2016-07-22 10:16 Ayyri: 00:41:983 - why is this drum?
2016-07-22 10:16 Naxess: All red ticks are drum samplesets
2016-07-22 10:16 Naxess: The drum-hitnormal is a hit-hat hitsound
2016-07-22 10:17 Ayyri: I gotcha
2016-07-22 10:17 Ayyri: yeah, so far, the other time in this kiai that it's happened was at 00:38:534 -
2016-07-22 10:18 Ayyri: tbh at 00:41:983 - the drum doesn't really match the melody. it would sound better using the same sound as 00:41:466 -
2016-07-22 10:18 Ayyri: 00:43:707 - do you want this slider tick sound here? (I'd just make it 5% at 00:43:707 - then change it back to 85% at 00:43:793 - )
2016-07-22 10:19 Ayyri: same with at 00:45:086 -
2016-07-22 10:19 Naxess: Ah I see
2016-07-22 10:19 Naxess: I'll make them hit-hats I guess
2016-07-22 10:19 Ayyri: I see
2016-07-22 10:20 Ayyri: 00:46:983 - why ignore this finish? it's not a sound that's overemphasized in this song. so I think that you should add that with your whistle here
2016-07-22 10:20 Ayyri: 00:48:707 - same thing as in the first part of the kiai with the slider tick
2016-07-22 10:21 Ayyri: 00:53:017 - same as the last time this sound happened, sounds better the same as 00:52:500 -
2016-07-22 10:21 Naxess: Oh missed the finish
2016-07-22 10:22 Ayyri: tbh at 00:49:569 - and 00:38:534 - i don't really like the drum hs you have here, but you already explained why it's there. (but i don't think it really fits the melody all that well?)
2016-07-22 10:22 Ayyri: but those are keepable, at least to me
2016-07-22 10:22 Ayyri: they weren't as out of place as the ones on the circle (since these parts are a bit louder)
2016-07-22 10:22 Naxess: Sorry I crashed lol
2016-07-22 10:23 Ayyri: Do you want my last three messages?
2016-07-22 10:23 Naxess: Changes were saved though
2016-07-22 10:23 Naxess: Yeh
2016-07-22 10:23 Ayyri: (From your last message)
2016-07-22 10:23 Ayyri: alright
2016-07-22 10:23 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/yqyIOBF.png
2016-07-22 10:24 Naxess: So you mean the drum sliderticks?
2016-07-22 10:24 Ayyri: what
2016-07-22 10:24 Naxess: Wait link those two again
2016-07-22 10:27 Ayyri: 00:48:707 - ?
2016-07-22 10:28 Ayyri: or 00:49:569 - and 00:38:534 -
2016-07-22 10:28 Naxess: 00:49:569 -
2016-07-22 10:28 Naxess: Yeah those
2016-07-22 10:28 Ayyri: those aren't slider ticks? D:
2016-07-22 10:28 Naxess: Did you want me to remove the hit-hats?
2016-07-22 10:29 Naxess: No no, I was assuming since I didn't know where you'd pointed at lol
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: oh lol
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: but
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: kind of, yeah
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: the sound in general
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: just sounds out of place
2016-07-22 10:29 Naxess: Really?
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: when you could just be using the kind of sound you have at 00:49:741 -
2016-07-22 10:30 Ayyri: like how you did at the beginning with 00:02:672 -
2016-07-22 10:30 Naxess: But those hit-hats are basically all over in the song, and they sound very similar, don't they?
2016-07-22 10:30 Naxess: Well that was just because there was a drum impact and no hit-hat
2016-07-22 10:31 Ayyri: to me, not really
2016-07-22 10:31 Ayyri: and yeah, i get why you used it in the beginning
2016-07-22 10:31 Ayyri: but that's how i think those shorter sliders would sound best
2016-07-22 10:31 Ayyri: but if you disagree, that's alright
2016-07-22 10:31 Naxess: Hmm, I'll wait and see if others think so too I guess
2016-07-22 10:32 Ayyri: I gotcha
2016-07-22 10:32 Ayyri: (Very few people actually really care about aesthetics such as slider art of hitsounding so D: )
2016-07-22 10:32 Ayyri: 00:56:121 - slider tick like the earlier ones
2016-07-22 10:33 Naxess: Already fixed those
2016-07-22 10:33 Ayyri: good :D
2016-07-22 10:33 Ayyri: consider adding a whistle at 01:06:121 -
2016-07-22 10:34 Naxess: But, there's no beat in the song to reflect with a whistle?
2016-07-22 10:34 Ayyri: I couldn't tell you what the sound is
2016-07-22 10:34 Ayyri: but the one that would generally be a piano
2016-07-22 10:34 Ayyri: since it goes down, then up at 01:06:293 -
2016-07-22 10:34 Naxess: Yeah I gotcha lol
2016-07-22 10:35 Naxess: Well I usually only add hitsounds where the song specifically has that instrument playing.
2016-07-22 10:35 Naxess: In the whistle's case, it's the drums/beat
2016-07-22 10:35 Ayyri: Ah
2016-07-22 10:35 Ayyri: I feel
2016-07-22 10:35 Ayyri: 01:09:569 -
2016-07-22 10:36 Ayyri: this slider sounds like it's a bit early
2016-07-22 10:36 Ayyri: like with how you've mapped previously
2016-07-22 10:36 Ayyri: imo it would sound better starting at 01:09:741 -
2016-07-22 10:36 Ayyri: also the drum hs would work there actually
2016-07-22 10:36 Naxess: Well in this section I'm trying to follow piano
2016-07-22 10:37 Naxess: 01:08:276 - this giant gap was sort of the transition
2016-07-22 10:37 Ayyri: I know
2016-07-22 10:37 Ayyri: but there's no strong piano beat at 01:09:569 -
2016-07-22 10:37 Naxess: Not?
2016-07-22 10:38 Naxess: I hear piano quite clearly on that red tick
2016-07-22 10:38 Ayyri: like even at 01:10:259 - the beat isn't that strong here
2016-07-22 10:38 Naxess: Wait
2016-07-22 10:39 Naxess: 01:10:776 - is it strong here?
2016-07-22 10:39 Naxess: or here? 01:11:121 -
2016-07-22 10:39 Naxess: Because I can't hear piano on those lol
2016-07-22 10:39 Ayyri: those are kind of iffy
2016-07-22 10:39 Ayyri: but yeah, they could be considered "stronger"
2016-07-22 10:39 Naxess: I think you might be listening to drums is the thing
2016-07-22 10:39 Ayyri: the only reason i agree with those sliders
2016-07-22 10:40 Ayyri: is because the piano is being held out there
2016-07-22 10:40 Ayyri: well
2016-07-22 10:40 Ayyri: if you don't agree, you don't have to accept those suggestions
2016-07-22 10:40 Naxess: Hm, I don't really see what you mean xD
2016-07-22 10:41 Ayyri: you see the piano at 01:10:431 - ?
2016-07-22 10:41 Naxess: All clickables have impacts from the piano in this section, so yes.
2016-07-22 10:41 Ayyri: you can tell the note is being held out until 01:10:776 -
2016-07-22 10:41 Ayyri: yeah
2016-07-22 10:42 Naxess: Although
2016-07-22 10:42 Naxess: 01:09:052 (1) - should this end at 01:09:224 - do you think?
2016-07-22 10:42 Naxess: I'd sort of be missing the clap in that case, but I'd be following piano better I guess...
2016-07-22 10:42 Ayyri: no
2016-07-22 10:43 Ayyri: in this difficulty
2016-07-22 10:43 Naxess: Alright
2016-07-22 10:43 Ayyri: it'd be better to end it at 01:09:397 -
2016-07-22 10:43 Naxess: Yeah I agree
2016-07-22 10:44 Ayyri: 01:11:293 - / 01:12:672 - / 01:15:431 - / 01:17:672 - do you want these slider ticks audible?
2016-07-22 10:44 Ayyri: also 01:17:328 - could be blanketed by 01:16:638 - but i can see that you copied and pasted 01:16:638 - from 01:15:948 -
2016-07-22 10:44 Naxess: All of them are already audible, I fixed it while waiting for you lol
2016-07-22 10:45 Ayyri: alright, good :D
2016-07-22 10:45 Naxess: Hm
2016-07-22 10:46 Naxess: Yeah idk, will probably keep it as it is atm without blanketing it
2016-07-22 10:46 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 10:46 Naxess: I'd probably add a note at 01:18:362 - though to cover the clap
2016-07-22 10:46 Ayyri: it's really minor, so it doesn't matter too much
2016-07-22 10:46 Ayyri: and yeah
2016-07-22 10:46 Ayyri: i was gonna say that too
2016-07-22 10:47 Ayyri: 01:20:086 - could end with a finish, but it's up to you
2016-07-22 10:47 Naxess: btw, I'll want you to check advanced and hyper as well if possible, so you don't have to point out stuff that repeats itself, like the slidertick stuff.
2016-07-22 10:47 Naxess: Good idea
2016-07-22 10:48 Ayyri: I gotcha
2016-07-22 10:48 Naxess: Actually the finish doesn't fit now that I listen to it XD
2016-07-22 10:48 Ayyri: 01:30:431 - should the preview point be here? or do you purposely have it before for some reason?
2016-07-22 10:48 Ayyri: yeah, i was kinda like iffy about the finish lol
2016-07-22 10:49 Ayyri: shouldn't*
2016-07-22 10:49 Naxess: Hm, originally I moved the offset
2016-07-22 10:49 Naxess: So maybe I'll snap it
2016-07-22 10:49 Ayyri: oh D:
2016-07-22 10:50 Naxess: Although atm it sort of compensates for the fade-in I guess lol
2016-07-22 10:50 Ayyri: did you already fix the slider ticks in the kiai too?
2016-07-22 10:50 Naxess: ye
2016-07-22 10:50 Ayyri: aight
2016-07-22 10:50 Ayyri: 01:37:155 - drum hs
2016-07-22 10:50 Ayyri: idk if you fixed it before
2016-07-22 10:51 Ayyri: 01:42:155 - finish
2016-07-22 10:51 Ayyri: 01:44:052 - drum hs here too
2016-07-22 10:51 Ayyri: i wouldn't put any sound on that beat tbh
2016-07-22 10:52 Ayyri: 01:58:707 - nice finish :D
2016-07-22 10:52 Naxess: Oh lol I had one there xD
2016-07-22 10:52 Naxess: Well it fits in this case at least
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: yeah, i'm saying i like it :D
2016-07-22 10:53 Naxess: yup
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: Also
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: was this normal below 2*?
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: originally
2016-07-22 10:53 Naxess: Yes
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: ah
2016-07-22 10:54 Ayyri: I ask since the easiest diff is supposed to be below 2* D:
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: Btw, could you try something
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: Ctrl+A
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: All the notes
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: add and remove combo
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: So nothing has NC
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: Then open AiMod
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: check for DS
2016-07-22 10:55 Ayyri: do you want me to point things out?
2016-07-22 10:55 Ayyri: or what
2016-07-22 10:55 Naxess: Nah just say what AiMod says
2016-07-22 10:55 Ayyri: yeah, that's what i was asking lol
2016-07-22 10:55 Naxess: It sometimes skips DS errors on new combos
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: 00:34:569 - and 00:35:948 -
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: said these were too far a part
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: apart*
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: which imo isn't a problem
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: reading wise
2016-07-22 10:56 Naxess: That's ok lol
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: that's it lol
2016-07-22 10:56 Naxess: Alright nice
2016-07-22 10:57 Naxess: Now for advanced?
2016-07-22 10:57 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 10:57 Ayyri: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1005177 0mega - No.3 [Advanced]]
2016-07-22 10:57 Naxess: That's probably the most accepted stuff on normal I've had so far lol
2016-07-22 10:57 Ayyri: :D
2016-07-22 10:58 Ayyri: 00:27:672 -
2016-07-22 10:58 Ayyri: this pattern sounds a bit
2016-07-22 10:58 Ayyri: weird
2016-07-22 10:59 Ayyri: like idk
2016-07-22 10:59 Naxess: Well, it does in the song too so I think it's fine
2016-07-22 10:59 Ayyri: tbh it might just work best as a reverse slider
2016-07-22 10:59 Ayyri: yeah
2016-07-22 11:00 Naxess: I'd miss this 00:27:931 - or 00:28:017 - in that case
2016-07-22 11:00 Ayyri: i say this
2016-07-22 11:00 Ayyri: because it's an advanced
2016-07-22 11:00 Ayyri: so it shouldn't be that technical yet
2016-07-22 11:00 Ayyri: but if it were a reverse slider, it would work best with the reverse at 00:27:845 -
2016-07-22 11:01 Naxess: Well advanced is sort of like warmup for hard, so adding a few technical stuff should be fine
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: idk
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: just the opening part
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: from normal to this
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: was like
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: "oh there's a lot more now"
2016-07-22 11:01 Naxess: ikr xD
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: 00:32:328 -
2016-07-22 11:01 Naxess: I thought the gap was a bit high between hard and normal so I added this one, but it's still a bit of a difference
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: 00:32:500 - you're missing the cool finish at 00:32:500 - D:
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: yes i just did it twice
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: lol
2016-07-22 11:02 Naxess: 00:32:500 -
2016-07-22 11:02 Naxess: that finish
2016-07-22 11:02 Naxess: it's so random lol
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: it's so pretty w;
2016-07-22 11:02 Naxess: But I'm following piano so I'll skip it xD
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 11:03 Ayyri: 00:41:983 -
2016-07-22 11:03 Ayyri: is this supposed to be blanketed
2016-07-22 11:03 Naxess: ah I see
2016-07-22 11:03 Naxess: 1 pixel off lmao
2016-07-22 11:03 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/9VCHYYt.png
2016-07-22 11:03 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 11:04 Ayyri: same thing at 00:43:362 -
2016-07-22 11:04 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/iFCdkIh.png
2016-07-22 11:04 Ayyri: and a third time at 00:44:741 -
2016-07-22 11:04 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/itZu2EL.png
2016-07-22 11:05 Ayyri: 00:48:362 - why is this like the only note that is completely following the violin
2016-07-22 11:07 Naxess: I wanted to bring the flow from the left to the right but I didn't know how without overlapping through (2) xD
2016-07-22 11:07 Naxess: And ye it looks horrible
2016-07-22 11:07 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 11:07 Ayyri: the slider yeah
2016-07-22 11:07 Ayyri: and kind of breaks the rhythm
2016-07-22 11:08 Naxess: Do you have any suggestions?
2016-07-22 11:10 Ayyri: let me see
2016-07-22 11:11 Ayyri: (^:
2016-07-22 11:11 Ayyri: if you really wanted to
2016-07-22 11:11 Ayyri: you could copy and paste 00:46:983 - and ctrl+g it
2016-07-22 11:11 Naxess: Oh I think I solved it lol
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: then add a note at 00:49:052 -
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: O:
2016-07-22 11:12 Naxess: https://puu.sh/qaKI5/ed9e117501.jpg
2016-07-22 11:12 Naxess: https://puu.sh/qaKJ8/8594b42507.jpg
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: amazing
2016-07-22 11:12 Naxess: lol
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: quality beatmapping at work here
2016-07-22 11:12 Naxess: At least it looks better lmao
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: ye aha
2016-07-22 11:14 Naxess: uh oh
2016-07-22 11:14 Naxess: more blankets
2016-07-22 11:14 Naxess: they're off ;w;
2016-07-22 11:14 Ayyri: oh
2016-07-22 11:14 Ayyri: no
2016-07-22 11:14 Ayyri: ):<
2016-07-22 11:14 Naxess: I'll fix them, you look for other stuff lol
2016-07-22 11:14 Ayyri: thank you :D
2016-07-22 11:15 Ayyri: 01:14:397 -
2016-07-22 11:16 Ayyri: do you want to skip this beat?
2016-07-22 11:16 Ayyri: since there's a piano roll here D:
2016-07-22 11:16 Naxess: Well I'd make 01:14:224 - clickable if I wanted to follow it
2016-07-22 11:16 Naxess: Following beat works as well imo
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: i mean
2016-07-22 11:17 Naxess: before you say, yes I'll add a note at 01:18:362 -
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: it already is clickable
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: since it's a slider
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: lol
2016-07-22 11:17 Naxess: Well I mean the slider end
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: and yeah
2016-07-22 11:17 Naxess: You don't really click down on it
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: it'd be good to have a beat at 01:18:362 -
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: since you did that in normal
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: and, i think it'd be good to have those beats clickable
2016-07-22 11:18 Ayyri: something like https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/EY5xyhM.png
2016-07-22 11:19 Ayyri: could work at 01:13:879 -
2016-07-22 11:19 Naxess: 01:18:707 (1) - removed finish from this
2016-07-22 11:20 Naxess: Yeah that's what I mean
2016-07-22 11:20 Naxess: Well, it is still advanced
2016-07-22 11:20 Naxess: I'll try keeping some things simple I guess
2016-07-22 11:22 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 11:22 Naxess: fixed some blankets over in the other kiai
2016-07-22 11:22 Ayyri: nice :D
2016-07-22 11:22 Ayyri: 01:30:431 - fix the preview point
2016-07-22 11:23 Ayyri: also why is the break forced in advanced but not in normal?
2016-07-22 11:23 Ayyri: (i don't know what to call it actually, but i know what it does)
2016-07-22 11:24 Naxess: fixed that
2016-07-22 11:24 Ayyri: did you add it to normal?
2016-07-22 11:24 Naxess: Nah
2016-07-22 11:24 Naxess: Removed it from advanced
2016-07-22 11:24 Ayyri: is it not in the other diffs?
2016-07-22 11:24 Naxess: I think the other diffs have spinners here
2016-07-22 11:24 Ayyri: gotcha
2016-07-22 11:26 Ayyri: did you want the drum hs at 01:41:638 - ?
2016-07-22 11:26 Naxess: woops
2016-07-22 11:27 Naxess: fixed the force break thing at 01:56:638 -
2016-07-22 11:27 Ayyri: good :D
2016-07-22 11:31 Naxess: in hard... 00:23:534 -
2016-07-22 11:31 Naxess: lol xD
2016-07-22 11:31 Naxess: rip me with all those blankets
2016-07-22 11:31 Ayyri: :^D
2016-07-22 11:32 Ayyri: you
2016-07-22 11:32 Ayyri: really like overlaps
2016-07-22 11:32 Ayyri: don't you
2016-07-22 11:33 Naxess: Whaaat lol
2016-07-22 11:33 Ayyri: 00:05:948 -
2016-07-22 11:33 Ayyri: 00:06:638 -
2016-07-22 11:33 Naxess: Yeah XD
2016-07-22 11:34 Naxess: It gets worse
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: a lot of the things in the map
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: i've already said
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: so i'm gonna assume you're gonna apply them without me saying so
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: :D
2016-07-22 11:34 Naxess: Just quickly make 1 example of each thing
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: sure
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: but first
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: 00:32:500 -
2016-07-22 11:35 Ayyri: finish please :D
2016-07-22 11:35 Naxess: 00:08:707 (2,2) - also what do you think about this?
2016-07-22 11:35 Naxess: Should I Ctrl+G them individually?
2016-07-22 11:35 Naxess: But the finish xD
2016-07-22 11:35 Ayyri: i like those types of patterns
2016-07-22 11:36 Naxess: Hm
2016-07-22 11:36 Naxess: Should I Ctrl+G these individually? 00:09:741 (1,2,3) -
2016-07-22 11:36 Ayyri: 00:24:052 - blanket https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/UcxZXeW.png
2016-07-22 11:36 Naxess: Just trying to get some opinions on this pattern basically
2016-07-22 11:36 Ayyri: also
2016-07-22 11:36 Ayyri: i think they look better as is
2016-07-22 11:36 Naxess: Alright
2016-07-22 11:37 Naxess: I have trouble blanketing because of my skin... https://puu.sh/qaMbh/86aa673948.jpg
2016-07-22 11:37 Naxess: The borders on the circles are all... glowy xD
2016-07-22 11:37 Ayyri: nice overlap https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/GCjoWJA.png 00:39:569 -
2016-07-22 11:37 Ayyri: shit
2016-07-22 11:37 Ayyri: 00:39:569 -
2016-07-22 11:38 Naxess: Is it nice or was that sarcasm? lol
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/GCjoWJA.png
2016-07-22 11:38 Naxess: I've had someone else tell me these are terrible lmao
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: i think that they look
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: bad
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: tbh
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: also
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: why don't you use the default skin in editor?
2016-07-22 11:39 Naxess: You can do that?
2016-07-22 11:39 Naxess: How?
2016-07-22 11:40 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/JC8ojBD.png
2016-07-22 11:40 Ayyri: at the bottom of the options
2016-07-22 11:42 Naxess: Bottom of options? https://puu.sh/qaMvB/bf3f5a29ce.jpg
2016-07-22 11:43 Naxess: Oh sec
2016-07-22 11:44 Naxess: Actually still confused
2016-07-22 11:44 Naxess: Where did you go to get to that? xD
2016-07-22 11:45 Naxess: nvm found it
2016-07-22 11:46 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/bUaCy6y.png
2016-07-22 11:46 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 11:50 Ayyri: 01:20:086 - finish
2016-07-22 11:50 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/tIhFC1o.png
2016-07-22 11:50 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 11:50 Naxess: That's the finish that sounded wierd though isn't it?
2016-07-22 11:50 Naxess: You really don't like overlaps do you? xD
2016-07-22 11:51 Ayyri: no D:
2016-07-22 11:51 Ayyri: they look ugly ;w;
2016-07-22 11:51 Naxess: ;w;
2016-07-22 11:52 Naxess: I'll fix some I guess rofl
2016-07-22 11:52 Ayyri: thank you omg
2016-07-22 11:52 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/yu9o0NW.png
2016-07-22 11:52 Ayyri: 01:43:190 -
2016-07-22 11:53 Naxess: looool I am so good at blanketing
2016-07-22 11:54 Naxess: btw
2016-07-22 11:54 Ayyri: no D:<
2016-07-22 11:54 Naxess: Which types of overlaps are acceptable and which aren't in your opinion?
2016-07-22 11:56 Ayyri: just a sec
2016-07-22 11:57 Ayyri: 00:04:569 -
2016-07-22 11:57 Ayyri: that one is pretty small
2016-07-22 11:57 Ayyri: 00:05:948 -
2016-07-22 11:57 Ayyri: if it's done right, it's fine
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: 00:23:534 -
2016-07-22 11:58 Naxess: I'm guessing as long as it doesn't overlap the tail or head, it's fine?
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: basically this whole chapter
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: not exactly true, but kind of
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: not chapter fuck
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: section* lol
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: i said chapter when i was type that, sorry
2016-07-22 11:59 Naxess: np lol
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: like
2016-07-22 11:59 Naxess: So what's with that section? is it bad?
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: those overlaps are fine
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: like
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/5p34emt.png
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: even this kind of thing would be fine for me
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: but it depends on how the pattern is used tbh
2016-07-22 12:00 Ayyri: so it's more case to case than anything else
2016-07-22 12:04 Naxess: *trying to fix blankets and overlaps intensifies*
2016-07-22 12:05 Naxess: omg there's so much
2016-07-22 12:05 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 12:07 Naxess: What do you think about this? 00:35:948 (1,3) -
2016-07-22 12:07 Naxess: I'll send screenshot instead lol
2016-07-22 12:08 Naxess: https://puu.sh/qaNX9/9f8ac63df0.jpg
2016-07-22 12:08 Ayyri: that's fine :D
2016-07-22 12:09 Naxess: Alright nice xD
2016-07-22 12:11 Ayyri: :3
2016-07-22 12:11 Naxess: This is probably terrible as well, isn't it? https://puu.sh/qaO98/17b276571e.jpg
2016-07-22 12:13 Ayyri: oh my god what is that
2016-07-22 12:13 Ayyri: is the overlap where the tail and head are
2016-07-22 12:13 Ayyri: because i think that's okay
2016-07-22 12:13 Ayyri: as long as you fix the BLANKET right there :D
2016-07-22 12:16 Naxess: lol yeh
2016-07-22 12:16 Naxess: What about this? https://puu.sh/qaOr1/c277f87eed.jpg
2016-07-22 12:17 Naxess: You're basically my bad-overlap-scanner at this point lmao
2016-07-22 12:17 Naxess: at least you don't have to point them out yourself lol
2016-07-22 12:17 Ayyri: aha
2016-07-22 12:17 Ayyri: yeah, that's fine
2016-07-22 12:17 Ayyri: it's a very small overlap lol
2016-07-22 12:17 Naxess: Yeah but some people argue that small overlaps are the worst xD
2016-07-22 12:19 Ayyri: i mean sometimes
2016-07-22 12:19 Ayyri: they can be, yeah lol
Topic Starter
Naxess
Plaudible

Plaudible wrote:

M4M from your queue~
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Normal
Staggering helps to make variety in normal difficulties. For example, maybe stagger 00:04:224 (1) to the left and adjust 00:04:052 (3) accordingly. Just preference, but it's something you can play around with. :)
I see what you mean, but I'll keep it for now, since staggering hasn't been used in the other parts of the map.
00:41:983 (2) - Move closer to sliderend.
For distance spacing I assume. Moved a pixel or two closer using distance snapping.

Advanced
00:47:672 (2,1) - Push 2's first slider point down so it makes the pattern of 2 and 1 nicer.
Doing that would break DS and symmetry though. I do agree it looks a bit off, I'll think about how to solve it.
00:49:397 (2) - Try staggering left, see how you like it.
Well, staggering left will cause 00:51:121 (1) - to go off screen unless I move it down, which'll change the whole flow.
Staggering seems like an interesting technique though, so I'll probably play around with it.
00:57:328 (2,3) - Space out, they overlap
Spacing them out will break distance spacing, which I'm following throughout the whole map.
01:10:086 (3,4) - Overlapping, consider moving.
They are indeed because of the stack, but I don't see this as a big problem.
01:12:845 (3,4) - ^ I'm guessing stacking moved your notes
01:36:638 (1,2) - They're almost blanketed anyways, why not blanket slider ends?
I'm not blanketing slider ends because it would leave the pattern very static and unvarying.
01:50:431 (1,2,3,4) - Very rounded, maybe twist some the other way or something? :?
From here there's a violin playing with increasing pitch and volume as a kind of build up. When 01:51:810 (1) - starts, the violin changes pitch more than before, because of the downbeat, which is why it reverses the flow.

Hard
00:24:052 (2,4) - Too close, adjust this
Hmm...
00:24:914 (1,2,3,4,5) - The stacking here is odd and makes it weird to read, consider change
I'll wait for more opinions, but I'll consider changing it.
EDIT: This and the previous suggestion were changed by a remap after 6th's mod.
00:34:224 (3) - Either stack over 00:33:190 (1) or move further from it
I don't really see why I'd do that. Currently 00:34:224 (3) - is placed so the slider leniency will allow the player to start spinning from the middle of the spinner.
I still moved them a bit so that (1) is now in the center of the screen, in the middle of (3)'s body.
01:12:845 (4,5,1) - Space consistently
I agree with this, spaced prev 1.14x, next 1.14x.

Hyper
00:39:397 (4,1) - Maybe make the slider ends land on teh same circle
Stacked their tails.
01:18:707 (1) - Maybe you intended this, but the distance between sliders from the others isn't the same. If intended, ignore.
It was unintended, but I guess that'll actually work. 01:18:707 (1) - is now further away than the others, which all now have equal distance.
01:41:466 (3) - Put the end onto 01:40:431 (4)
Yup, stacked.

Lunatic
00:11:638 (2,3,4) - Spacing consistency. Put slider closer to 3, or center 3 between 2 and 4.
(3) is now has prev 0.89x, next 0.89x
00:59:741 (2,3,4) - Slight issue with spacing consistency.
Centered, like above.
01:00:259 (5,6,7) - ^

Wish I had more to mod, considering my beatmap is like twice as long :x
When modding mine, feel free to mod just like two difficulties since it's significantly longer. The least modded are Advanced, -Liddell's Insane, and TeeJoe's Insane, though mod whichever you feel most comfortable with.
Great mapset! Overall, well done.
Thank you! and thanks for the star ^^

Ayyri wrote:

Hello.

Placeholder for future M4M.

Small thing though, change source to 東方Project rather than "Touhou"
The source is now "東方Project", added "Touhou" to the tags instead.
I'll take a look at your map soon.

Just waiting for the M4M from Frostt and hanyuu_nanodesu now.
rbby
M4M :D (Only Lunatic) sorry for the delay ;w;

General
Why od6.5? Maybe 7 would be better? Just my opinion though. (Also it's the same oD as the hyper diff.. 2 diffs that are nearly 1 star apart having the same od makes no sense.)

The source on some of the diffs are different. Might want to check that out.

Lunatic
00:02:500 (3,4,5,6,1) - Make this look like this? http://puu.sh/pSIPJ/3a80ce374c.jpg

If you change this^ then blanket 00:03:190 (2,4) -

00:04:741 (3,1,3) - This is kinda a weird overlap. Maybe move 00:04:741 (3) - to x:153 y:294?

00:12:328 (6) - Move this so it's blanketed with 00:12:500 (1) - (This plays better too)

00:25:431 (2) - Change this to something like this http://puu.sh/pSJcZ/929516ab01.jpg

00:26:293 (1,2,3) - Why are these stacked? It makes it really weird to read. Change it to something like this http://puu.sh/pSJqf/c660d25076.jpg

00:40:603 (2,3) - Move 00:40:603 (2) - to the right a little and curve 00:40:086 (1) - so it looks better ( http://puu.sh/pSJCR/e84d8c4775.jpg )

00:41:121 (4,5,1) - This linear pattern doesn't look very good. Change it to something like this? http://puu.sh/pSJJR/b9e17b711b.jpg

00:42:500 (4) - ctrl+g for better flow

00:43:879 (4) - ^

00:46:293 (3,4) - By stacking these it looks like 00:46:810 (4) - starts on the blue tick. Move it down so it's like this http://puu.sh/pSJTp/a99830acbd.jpg

00:52:155 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - copy and paste? Anyway, apply the mods up here^ to these (Linear pattern, ctrl+g)
To be specific, Change this 00:52:155 (4,5,1) - and ctrl+g 00:53:534 (4) - 00:54:914 (4) - 00:56:293 (4) -

01:04:914 (1,2,3,4) - Make this look like http://puu.sh/pSK9v/e494f0ee22.jpg

01:37:672 (4) - 01:40:431 (4) - ctrl+g

01:44:569 (5) - Move this slider more and front and curve it facing upward like this http://puu.sh/pSKnU/fc647d3349.jpg

01:48:707 (4) - ctrl+g

01:52:845 (1) - nc

01:54:914 - This break is kind of unnecessary. Either map this break or remove the map after the break and have it end at the spinner.

Nice map! Hope to see it ranked in the future. Patterns and note placement were the main issues, but after polishing it would be fine.
Topic Starter
Naxess

Frostt wrote:

M4M :D (Only Lunatic) sorry for the delay ;w;

General
Why od6.5? Maybe 7 would be better? Just my opinion though. (Also it's the same oD as the hyper diff.. 2 diffs that are nearly 1 star apart having the same od makes no sense.)

You're right. Lunatic now uses OD 7 instead of 6.5.

The source on some of the diffs are different. Might want to check that out.

On my copy there were no problems with source.
I just deleted and redownloaded the map and there are still no problems, so I don't really know what's up with that.

Lunatic
00:02:500 (3,4,5,6,1) - Make this look like this? http://puu.sh/pSIPJ/3a80ce374c.jpg

I tried it and I see what you mean, but it changes the flow quite drastically from what it already is.
The reason why 00:02:500 (3,4,5,6,1) - changes direction like it does is just to emphasize the downbeat by reversing the flow.
The pattern between 00:02:845 (1,2,3,4) - is a reoccuring theme throughout this section and I think it reflects the song well.
You may notice the flow is quite jagged and has a lot of sharp turns, forcing the cursor to move forwards and back with high spacing. This is intentional.


If you change this^ then blanket 00:03:190 (2,4) -

00:04:741 (3,1,3) - This is kinda a weird overlap. Maybe move 00:04:741 (3) - to x:153 y:294?

How are these overlapping? They're not even visible at the same time...

I see what you want me to do, but I see no sense in it.

00:12:328 (6) - Move this so it's blanketed with 00:12:500 (1) - (This plays better too)

Yeah this place is a bit of a mess at the moment.
Not sure how you wanted me to do it, but I did it like this (looks better than before at least):



00:25:431 (2) - Change this to something like this http://puu.sh/pSJcZ/929516ab01.jpg

Good idea, I think that works better.

00:26:293 (1,2,3) - Why are these stacked? It makes it really weird to read. Change it to something like this http://puu.sh/pSJqf/c660d25076.jpg

I unstacked them. It now looks like this:


00:40:603 (2,3) - Move 00:40:603 (2) - to the right a little and curve 00:40:086 (1) - so it looks better ( http://puu.sh/pSJCR/e84d8c4775.jpg )

Moved and tweaked, but 00:40:776 (3) - is still straight.

00:41:121 (4,5,1) - This linear pattern doesn't look very good. Change it to something like this? http://puu.sh/pSJJR/b9e17b711b.jpg

I think it looks fine. I don't really see what you mean.
Would be great if you'd given some arguments...
I tried your way of doing it, but it doesn't flow right unless I move everything else around.

00:42:500 (4) - ctrl+g for better flow

Smoother flow, sure, but "better" is subjective.
In my opinion, flow in an insane difficulty should reflect the song by reversing to emphasize sound differences.
In this case, 00:42:500 - has a significantly different pitch from 00:42:328 - , which I'm emphasizing through a jump and reverse.
Same goes for 00:43:879 - and the others.


00:43:879 (4) - ^

00:46:293 (3,4) - By stacking these it looks like 00:46:810 (4) - starts on the blue tick. Move it down so it's like this http://puu.sh/pSJTp/a99830acbd.jpg

Everything stacked has 1/2+ spacing. All 1/4 is indicated through short-spacing. There should be no problem in reading it.
I'm trying to slow down cursor movement to emphasize the low and constant pitch, both for this and for 00:45:603 (1,2) - .
EDIT: I unstacked them and did it like in your example after Exile-'s mod, to bring greater emphasis to the burst.

00:52:155 (4,5,1,2,3,4) - copy and paste? Anyway, apply the mods up here^ to these (Linear pattern, ctrl+g)
To be specific, Change this 00:52:155 (4,5,1) - and ctrl+g 00:53:534 (4) - 00:54:914 (4) - 00:56:293 (4) -

Well same applies here.
This is actually not copy-paste xD


Believe it or not, I mapped these completely independent of each other lol

01:04:914 (1,2,3,4) - Make this look like http://puu.sh/pSK9v/e494f0ee22.jpg

I tried this, but it didn't quite feel right. The sounds have the same pitch, so going off the same logic I used earlier, it'd make no sense to reverse the flow (or making sharp turns through jump circle patterns) when there's no distinct sound difference.
I rounded the shape a bit more, so now the cursor will move around in a circle and transition into the stream better.


01:37:672 (4) - 01:40:431 (4) - ctrl+g

01:44:569 (5) - Move this slider more and front and curve it facing upward like this http://puu.sh/pSKnU/fc647d3349.jpg

Intentional.
Slows down cursor to emphasize lower pitch,
reverses to emphasize the sound difference,
straight to emphasize that it's piano instead of violin.


Again, it'd be great if you could set up some arguments as well, as right now I basically just have to guess what you want to accomplish with the change.
EDIT: This was replaced by two circles after Exile-'s mod.

01:48:707 (4) - ctrl+g

01:52:845 (1) - nc

Missed that one; NCed to follow the half measure pattern.

01:54:914 - This break is kind of unnecessary. Either map this break or remove the map after the break and have it end at the spinner.

Aeril mentioned this before as well... maybe I should change it.
After testing a bit, I'm not really sure how I'd do it. After the spinner things are just sort of idle; beat still going, but nothing distinct happening.
Actually I've got an idea...

Going to try a bunch of consecutive anti-jumps to the beat lol (I am so creative)

Only doing this in Lunatic though (for now), as it's the only difficulty with actual notes at the end instead another spinner.

Nice map! Hope to see it ranked in the future. Patterns and note placement were the main issues, but after polishing it would be fine.
Thanks! I really like that you gave visual examples for almost all of your suggestions, gj.
Exile-
[Lunatic]

00:04:569 (2,3) - My sense tells me to Ctrl + G these
00:05:862 - Place a note here and make triple on the slider
00:07:328 (2) - Hey, It's a bit too long. There's a beat on red tick
00:09:569 (4,1,2,3,4) - Would be great if this were a star but currently 00:09:569 (4,3) - these notes kinda overlap
00:12:500 (1) - Change it to

00:17:155 (3) - Maybe a bit further?
00:23:534 (1) - Change to stream?
00:25:948 (5,1,2) - I feels like you really avoided the streams but it makes this pattern really unintuitive.
00:25:603 (4,5) - Spacing in inconsistent here
00:30:431 (5,1) - Swap NC
00:34:224 (1,2) - It would be a lot better if this were a stream
00:38:362 (3,4,1) - This flow can be improved here. Right now it's too linear and doesn't emphasize the 00:38:707 (1) - slider.
00:41:121 (4,5) - Compare these two. First one is inaudible but the second starts a new rhythm. You can stack 00:41:293 (5) - on 00:41:466 (1) -
00:52:155 (4,5) - Same
00:46:810 (4) - This slider burst to a new combo. It should be stacked to the previous one. Quite opposite. It should be emphasized.
00:50:086 (2,3) - how about..
00:59:397 (1) - Continue the buzz slider pattern
01:10:086 (4) - Move it upwards to emphasize next note
01:33:534 (3,4,1) - Keep the same distance between the sliders
01:42:155 (1,2) - Add reverse arrow to them
01:44:569 (5) - This should be 2 notes
01:47:500 (4) - You could use you 1/4 burst slider here
01:50:948 (4,1) - The transition between patterns is weak here. Mainly because of the close distance and angle (almost linear). You can make something like this:
01:58:707 (1) - A bit too far away..

[Hyper]

00:05:948 (2) - You can add reverse arrow here
00:10:431 (3) - This needs some emphasize imo
00:23:534 (1,2,3,4,5) - This part has some strong piano sounds. You should add more reverse arrows
00:30:431 (1) - This should be also 1/4 slider like the next one
00:32:845 (3,4) - I would merge them into one buzz slider
00:40:603 (2) - How about putting this UNDER a blanket of 00:40:086 (1) - ?
00:42:500 (4,1) - It kinda overlaps
00:48:362 (1,2,3) - The flow isn't that great here. You can stack 00:48:879 (2) - on 00:49:052 (3) -
00:49:397 (4,5) - Well, you emphasize the red tick here instead of the white one. Move it further
00:57:155 (2) - If the velocity is already that slow you can stack it the the previous slider's tail
00:58:017 (1) - The emphasize doesn't work here. Its closer to the previous slider than the distance between 00:57:328 (3,4) - them
01:06:293 (1) - How about..
01:42:155 (1,2) - We need reverse arrows!
01:50:776 (2,3) - Well, you started the buzz slider pattern already so why switch to piano now?
01:57:328 (1) - I would like to see some buzz slider pattern here instead of spinner. Same to Hard

[Hard]

00:04:224 (1,2) - You see these tiny overlaps on sliders? These are really discouraged
00:12:500 (1,2) - Same here and so on..
00:04:914 (3,1) - How about blanket for aesthetics?
00:19:397 (1,2,3) - Spacing is veeery misleading here. Make it constant.
00:25:776 (4,5) - You can stack it to 00:24:914 (1,2) -
00:31:810 (1,2) - 00:33:190 (1,2) - How about 1/2 sliders?
00:38:362 (4,5) - 00:39:052 (2,3) - Look, you can ctrl+ G them for free emphasize and flow.
00:59:397 (1,2) - This is very misleading. Continue buzz slider to 00:59:914 - .Also 01:00:431 (3) - this should start 01:00:259 - here
01:10:259 (6) - I would stack it to 01:10:431 (1) -
01:13:017 (5,1) - Same here
01:20:086 (1) - Bit too far

[Advanced]

00:06:293 (3) - I think you should add reverse arrow. The sound is clearly separated in two.
00:46:293 (2,3,1) - Ewww, look at the visual spacing here.
00:57:328 (2,3,1) - Same here, keep them consistent.
00:58:017 (1,2,3) - Imo it's too linear for me. And the sounds are different.
01:37:155 (2) - How about blanket?
01:41:466 (2,3) - Tiny overlap I mentioned before
01:44:052 (2,3) - Also here. It touches the next slider making spacing very misleading

[Normal]

SV changes are very discouraged in Normal
01:13:017 (3,1) - I don't think its acceptable. You can extend the previous slider to 01:13:017 -
Looks ok


Good luck!
micchi_chi
Hey late M4M~!

Red : unrankable (or might be unrankable) issue
Blue : highly suggested to fix
Black : normal suggestion
Green : random comment
Bold : slightly more important than others

No Easy?

[Normal]
SPOILER
  1. 00:02:845 (1,1) - Because of the difference of the shape, they don't really look well together... Either just blanket 00:02:845 (1) - 's head with 00:04:224 (1) - or maybe do some parallel pattern like http://puu.sh/q1dyI/1a8c523aef.jpg it would somehow ease the flow here 00:02:500 (2,1) - since the current seems very pointy.
  2. 00:07:328 considering this is Normal and there's very big drum sound here, feels extremely empty without anything. Either add a note here or change this 00:06:983 (1) - to 1/1 slider to keep the rhythm simpler.
  3. 00:06:293 (2,2) - Slightly overlap, maybe you can move 00:07:672 (2) - apart.
  4. 00:12:500 (1,2) - Lol this pattern looks weird, I really prefer something like this http://puu.sh/q1dLD/a2c72421c9.jpg or maybe http://puu.sh/q1dNg/957b52614f.jpg but well yeah, it's my taste so you can keep the current.
  5. 00:18:362 same thing as 00:07:328 I can't really see any reason why there's no note here...
  6. 00:38:707 (1,2,1) - Maybe you better keep the parallel pattern..
  7. 00:42:155 the drum sound here is big btw... maybe you prefer to follow the main melody sound but I don't think you can ignore this big drums... maybe you can use 1/2 slider here 00:41:983 (2) - instead so the drums will be mapped as well. Or you can do something like this http://puu.sh/q1dXN/0e19460f7b.jpg if you want to emphasize the drum better but I guess you wont... btw, these rhythms 00:42:845 (1,2) - works better too and I think they are parallel sound so you might as well use the same rhythm.
  8. 00:45:603 (1,2) - DS please, and I think you better blanket both part somehow like this http://puu.sh/q1e34/66c3649ad7.jpg
  9. 00:55:259 (1,1) - Ye, very slightly touching, maybe you can either move 00:56:638 (1) - slightly downward or make them a parallel pattern.
  10. 01:06:293 (1,2,1) - Ehmm, maybe you could try something like this http://puu.sh/q1eaM/aef79a99d1.jpg P.S. it wont be possible if you don't change the previous rhythm since you will be run out of space so you can either move the entire rhythm here 01:03:534 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - slightly to the left or rotate this 01:05:603 (2,1) - counter clockwise, just slightly (I did the latter btw)
  11. 01:07:672 (1) - Considering you paused here, I assume you fully only follow the main melody... but well since the rhythm here 01:09:052 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1) - following piano, and there's piano sound here 01:08:362 maybe you can add a 1/1 or 1 1/2 slider to make a bridge of rhythm change there.
  12. 01:13:190 (1) - ^ here too, I think there's also similar piano sound so maybe you could try this rhythm http://puu.sh/q1esL/5ce91a5bd0.jpg or at least just the piano here 01:14:224 since maybe the sound before that is just accompaniment.
  13. 01:17:328 (1) - I think adding a reverse here would be fit so well but since you have spinner there and this is Normal, I don't think you would want a note just right before a spinner...
  14. 01:33:534 (2,2) - overlap~ maybe you can make 01:33:534 (2) - face more upward so you can move 01:33:879 (1,2) - upward too http://puu.sh/q1eAA/401daf96da.jpg
  15. 01:43:534 (1,2,3) - is this anti flow on purpose? I don't really recommend these for Normal .-.
  16. The rest is mostly fine... maybe you can NC every two measures for at least Normal so the combos wouldn't be too short? .-.

I hated Advanced, soo...

[Hard]
SPOILER
  1. 00:02:845 (1,2) - This kind of overlap pattern don't really looks good if the second slider is short imo, it's just look messy with their slider end collided... This what's it looks like with default skin http://puu.sh/q1eKs/83cc0d2843.jpg Maybe you could use some other pattern like http://puu.sh/q1eNp/13d48cbd9e.jpg so
  2. 00:04:224 (1,2) - only slightly touching make them looks ugly, either make them touch more http://puu.sh/q1eQi/d1c9bccfcb.jpg (watch out for slider tail if you decided to do this) or make them don't touch at all.
  3. 00:05:948 (2,3) - ye, this almost touching too, don't look that nice. Either curve it the other way (which I don't recommend) or just make them 00:05:948 (2,3) - a parallel pattern.
  4. 00:11:810 (4,5) - ehm, maybe you can blanket this then just duplicate it and rotate it to make this 00:11:121 (1) - http://puu.sh/q1f0A/97abebcb1b.jpg
  5. 00:12:500 (1,2) - nope. nope. NOPE. don't do this pls, just blanket them. I don't know what kind of pattern you're trying to make, but if you insisted on the straight shape (I guess you will) move the entire next rhythm slightly downward. Or simply, just don't make 00:12:500 (1,2) - touch
  6. 00:15:603 (2,1) - overlapped slightly, maybe you can rotate 00:16:638 (1,2,3) - a few degrees counter clockwise then re-blanket it http://puu.sh/q1f9s/62e871b67f.jpg the jump should be fine to emphasize downbeat.
  7. 00:32:328 (2) - With cymbal sound here 00:32:500 this note feels so off... maybe follow the cymbal for just this time? ;-;\
  8. 00:35:948 (1,3) - The thing about collided slider end similar to 00:02:845 (1,2) - and almost touching thing here 00:36:638 (3,4) - you can simply fix this by one move btw http://puu.sh/q1fio/d150b88c29.jpg well not really one move, still need some perfection after that.
  9. 00:39:397 (4,1) - this is terrible tbh... I really prefer something like this http://puu.sh/q1fnH/714d0f43c4.jpg but you will have to move 00:39:397 (4,5) - slightly downward to make some room to do so...
  10. 00:42:500 (4,3) - I started to think this is on purpose, but I still think it's terrible as well... I mean it would make it sorta hard to read imo...
  11. 00:43:879 (4,3) - *screams internally* maybe just stack this thing... really.... http://puu.sh/q1ftN/959d3ea87e.jpg
  12. 00:45:259 (4,2) - ^ just stack please.
  13. 00:47:672 (3,4) - I think it would do better like this http://puu.sh/q1fzr/c6871416b8.jpg and what's with your DS really...
  14. 00:48:362 (1,3) - Same thing about collided slider tail here... maybe you can check for more.
  15. 00:50:431 (4,5) - ^
  16. 00:50:431 (4,1) - hhhhhhhhhhhhh....... Move (1) a bit upward please.
  17. 00:53:017 (3,4,1) - oh god why...
  18. 00:53:534 (4,3) -
  19. 00:54:914 (4,3) -
  20. 01:02:500 (2,3,4,5) - Why the different distance tho.
  21. 00:55:259 (1,4) - This one is fine.
  22. 01:04:914 (1,4) - Yessshhh
  23. 01:06:983 (3,4) - I guess I gotta stop mentioning these.
  24. 01:07:328 (4,2) - I can't stop >~< Maybe these are on purpose? still not a good idea...
  25. Your placement is..... but well, I can say your rhythm is good, but placement is also one important thing since osu! is not just about rhythm unlike taiko and mania, it's also about placement....

Good luck~
Topic Starter
Naxess
Exile-

Exile- wrote:

[Lunatic]

00:04:569 (2,3) - My sense tells me to Ctrl + G these
I see what you mean, but I think horizontal movement fits better and emphasizes the transition to 00:04:914 (4) - more.
00:05:862 - Place a note here and make triple on the slider
Instead of stacking it I just made another short-spaced stream here, tbh I didn't even notice the sound.
00:07:328 (2) - Hey, It's a bit too long. There's a beat on red tick
It's larger for emphasization of upcoming cymbal. Plus it's following melody, which has a sound at 00:07:586 - .
00:09:569 (4,1,2,3,4) - Would be great if this were a star but currently 00:09:569 (4,3) - these notes kinda overlap
It's following distance spacing, and making it a star pattern is sort of unnecessary imo.
Btw, these are mechanically not overlapping, so there shouldn't be a problem. It only happens after (4) is already clicked.
EDIT: This was moved slightly after 6th's mod.

00:12:500 (1) - Change it to

What you're suggesting is following a different rhythm.
In which case 00:12:931 - would also be mapped.
Either way, they're just echoes of more emphasized sounds.

00:17:155 (3) - Maybe a bit further?
Sure. They're now 1.85x DS.
00:23:534 (1) - Change to stream?
I'd rather keep this part a bit more simple.
There's no need to map streams wherever one can hear multiple sounds.
Plus doing that sort of damages emphasization of places where streams really fit.

00:25:948 (5,1,2) - I feels like you really avoided the streams but it makes this pattern really unintuitive.
Actually, the piano is 1/3 around here, and making 1/3 streams is even less intuitive.
The rhythm I'm going with is a hybrid between piano and drums, but drums take prioritity, and so does their emphasization.

But you're right. It's a bit unintuitive imo too.
I added a 1/3 repeat at 00:26:293 (1) - , which both covers drums and piano with the same emphasization.

00:25:603 (4,5) - Spacing in inconsistent here
Now uses 1.60x DS.
00:30:431 (5,1) - Swap NC
Woops forgot to fix that after spacing them from being an anti-jump... swapped.
00:34:224 (1,2) - It would be a lot better if this were a stream
The white and red ticks are more emphasized, which is why they're mapped as 1/4 sliders instead.
00:38:362 (3,4,1) - This flow can be improved here. Right now it's too linear and doesn't emphasize the 00:38:707 (1) - slider.
I'm guessing you want it to be sort of like 00:48:879 (2,3,4,1) - ... hm
I sort of agree that they should keep consistent, but I'm not really sure how I could change it at the moment.
00:41:121 (4,5) - Compare these two. First one is inaudible but the second starts a new rhythm. You can stack 00:41:293 (5) - on 00:41:466 (1) -
00:40:776 (3) - The sound that this slider is covering ends at 00:41:121 (4) - with a clap. Then 00:41:293 (5) - is a different pitch.
(3) and (4) have the same musical thought, while (5) is starting something new, like you say. To emphasize different pitches I usually reverse the flow in some way. Stacking two notes with different pitch doesn't really make much sense imo.
Either way, stopping flow at this section where many things have high spacing is probably not a good idea.

00:52:155 (4,5) - Same
00:46:810 (4) - This slider burst to a new combo. It should be stacked to the previous one. Quite opposite. It should be emphasized.
Indeed, I was going to change this anyway, due to two other mentions. It now looks like this:

00:50:086 (2,3) - how about..

I realize the flow may look really weird around here, but that's just to emphasize the pitch changes.
00:59:397 (1) - Continue the buzz slider pattern
If only I knew how to do that without cramping the playing field to one area...
01:10:086 (4) - Move it upwards to emphasize next note
Ended up moving and rotating the previous note as well.
01:33:534 (3,4,1) - Keep the same distance between the sliders
Each group now uses 2.50x DS.
01:42:155 (1,2) - Add reverse arrow to them
I'm going to try it, but I have a feeling people are going to mess up on 01:42:845 (3) - since the others are just 1 repeat.
01:44:569 (5) - This should be 2 notes
Now two notes with 1.60x DS.
01:47:500 (4) - You could use you 1/4 burst slider here
I don't think a burst slider would fit for such a low pitched section, plus I think you're hearing the echoes again lol
01:50:948 (4,1) - The transition between patterns is weak here. Mainly because of the close distance and angle (almost linear). You can make something like this:

Each combo isn't necessarily a new pattern. The NCs are just following the measures.
I rearranged their placement to flow a bit smoother, though.
01:58:707 (1) - A bit too far away..
Now uses 2.00x DS.

[Hyper]

00:05:948 (2) - You can add reverse arrow here
Not sure what you mean by "here"... I'll guess.
"Add a reverse arrow at 00:06:121 - for slider (2)."
or
"Add a reverse arrow at 00:05:862 - for slider (1)."

Either way, I think the rhythm is fine for this part, since Hard used reverse arrows. So it's a nice step up imo.
00:10:431 (3) - This needs some emphasize imo
Spaced slightly more, now uses 1.32x DS.
00:23:534 (1,2,3,4,5) - This part has some strong piano sounds. You should add more reverse arrows
You're right, it feels a bit empty as is imo. 00:23:534 - 1/4 1 repeat. 00:26:293 - 1/3 1 repeat.
00:30:431 (1) - This should be also 1/4 slider like the next one
Perhaps, but imo it would emphasize them better by stacking the two sounds instead.
00:32:845 (3,4) - I would merge them into one buzz slider
There's a pitch change at 00:33:017 - which I'm trying to emphasize.
00:40:603 (2) - How about putting this UNDER a blanket of 00:40:086 (1) - ?
Nice

00:42:500 (4,1) - It kinda overlaps
As long as I don't see a valid argument to why this is bad, I won't change it.
EDIT: Nevermind I guess xD I adjusted it so that it no longer overlaps.
00:48:362 (1,2,3) - The flow isn't that great here. You can stack 00:48:879 (2) - on 00:49:052 (3) -
Adjusted (1) and moved (2) and (3) slightly.
00:49:397 (4,5) - Well, you emphasize the red tick here instead of the white one. Move it further
Adjusted more stuff around here.
00:57:155 (2) - If the velocity is already that slow you can stack it the the previous slider's tail
This way the spacing between (2) and (3) is larger and emphasized. Also don't want people slider leniencing through (1).
00:58:017 (1) - The emphasize doesn't work here. Its closer to the previous slider than the distance between 00:57:328 (3,4) - them
A bit further now.
01:06:293 (1) - How about..

Applied.
01:42:155 (1,2) - We need reverse arrows!
But that would break momentum...
01:50:776 (2,3) - Well, you started the buzz slider pattern already so why switch to piano now?
Remapped, now follows piano for impacts and violin for repeats.
01:57:328 (1) - I would like to see some buzz slider pattern here instead of spinner. Same to Hard
This has been mentioned before, I'll probably change it soon, for now I think it fits.

[Hard]

00:04:224 (1,2) - You see these tiny overlaps on sliders? These are really discouraged
Like I mentioned earlier, as long as I don't see concrete reasoning, I won't change it.
EDIT: *cough* I guess opinions are "concrete reasoning" now lol *cough* Fixed all the ones in hard from what I found.
00:12:500 (1,2) - Same here and so on..
00:04:914 (3,1) - How about blanket for aesthetics?
Blanketing here wouldn't exactly improve the aesthetics imo.
00:19:397 (1,2,3) - Spacing is veeery misleading here. Make it constant.
(2) now has 1.12x DS for both prev and next.
00:25:776 (4,5) - You can stack it to 00:24:914 (1,2) -

By not stacking (2) and (4), the circle won't appear right after the other disappearing at the same position, which makes it more readable.
00:31:810 (1,2) - 00:33:190 (1,2) - How about 1/2 sliders?
I'm solely mapping piano for this part in order to emphasize it. If you can really hear piano 1/2 after each impact, then I think that's just the echoes, because I can't hear it.
00:38:362 (4,5) - 00:39:052 (2,3) - Look, you can ctrl+ G them for free emphasize and flow.
I tried this, but it didn't really work all that well. It'd also make it inconsistent with 00:49:397 (4,5,2,3) - .
00:59:397 (1,2) - This is very misleading. Continue buzz slider to 00:59:914 - .Also 01:00:431 (3) - this should start 01:00:259 - here
That's what I did in hyper, but problem is that it'd cause a brief pause, which might be confusing for players at this difficulty level, especially because I use small jumps so often (meaning DS won't really visualize it well). This way it's easier to read and also less cramped.
01:10:259 (6) - I would stack it to 01:10:431 (1) -
Stacking two notes with different pitch isn't really something I want to do, especially not when I want to emphasize the difference.
01:13:017 (5,1) - Same here
01:20:086 (1) - Bit too far
Now uses 2.10x DS, it should be reachable with slider leniency.

[Advanced]

00:06:293 (3) - I think you should add reverse arrow. The sound is clearly separated in two.
That's why it has a tight-elbow at 00:06:466 - .
I understand you want to cover all the sounds with the use of repeats and additional notes,
but doing so will likely destroy momentum and leave the map as a whole very cramped (with the current SV),
and I'd like to avoid that if possible.

00:46:293 (2,3,1) - Ewww, look at the visual spacing here.
Blame DS xD
It's 1.21x, 1.21x, but apparently it still looks off lol

I'll try fixing these things. I wanted to keep DS, but I realize now that it's probably not a good idea.

00:57:328 (2,3,1) - Same here, keep them consistent.
Moved it slightly.

00:58:017 (1,2,3) - Imo it's too linear for me. And the sounds are different.
That's true, I changed the angles a bit.
01:37:155 (2) - How about blanket?
If I do that, people are going to be complaining about 01:39:397 (1,2) - as well xD
It's been mentioned before, but my answer was and is still that it will leave the patterns more static and unvaried than they already are.
01:41:466 (2,3) - Tiny overlap I mentioned before
Decided to fix these, since I'm not going to be following DS anyway.

01:44:052 (2,3) - Also here. It touches the next slider making spacing very misleading
This is the DS we have to live with in normal, be glad there's higher tolerance in advanced lol


[Normal]

SV changes are very discouraged in Normal
Third time someone has suggested me to remove them, I'll give it one more chance xD
01:13:017 (3,1) - I don't think its acceptable. You can extend the previous slider to 01:13:017 -
If 01:13:017 - isn't acceptable then 01:10:259 - wouldn't be either.
This is normal, not easy. Stacks are fine. They're also two different combos so there's some color differentiation.
Looks ok


Good luck!

hanyuu_nanodesu

hanyuu_nanodesu wrote:

Hey late M4M~!

Red : unrankable (or might be unrankable) issue
Blue : highly suggested to fix
Black : normal suggestion
Green : random comment
Bold : slightly more important than others

No Easy?
Easy is not required since I already have a normal with less than 2.0 SR.

[Normal]
  1. 00:02:845 (1,1) - Because of the difference of the shape, they don't really look well together... Either just blanket 00:02:845 (1) - 's head with 00:04:224 (1) - or maybe do some parallel pattern like http://puu.sh/q1dyI/1a8c523aef.jpg it would somehow ease the flow here 00:02:500 (2,1) - since the current seems very pointy.
    This is quite far-fetched in my opinion, it's likely that our styles are different. It's also meant to be pointy to emphasize the downbeat (it's still not as pointy as harder difficulties though).
  2. 00:07:328 considering this is Normal and there's very big drum sound here, feels extremely empty without anything. Either add a note here or change this 00:06:983 (1) - to 1/1 slider to keep the rhythm simpler.
    That is intentional. It skips a beat to emphasize the following repeat. Although it has been mentioned a few times so I'm still considering it.
  3. 00:06:293 (2,2) - Slightly overlap, maybe you can move 00:07:672 (2) - apart.
    Overlaps should not happen in normal, nice catch. Moved them slightly apart.
  4. 00:12:500 (1,2) - Lol this pattern looks weird, I really prefer something like this http://puu.sh/q1dLD/a2c72421c9.jpg or maybe http://puu.sh/q1dNg/957b52614f.jpg but well yeah, it's my taste so you can keep the current.
    I agree, I don't like this pattern very much. I'm going to try this for now, since it'll still allow for (2) to blanket (3).
  5. 00:18:362 same thing as 00:07:328 I can't really see any reason why there's no note here...
  6. 00:38:707 (1,2,1) - Maybe you better keep the parallel pattern..
    That'd make things a bit repetitive though. I prefer to keep it like it is, curving off from previous patterns to reflect the longer note.
  7. 00:42:155 the drum sound here is big btw... maybe you prefer to follow the main melody sound but I don't think you can ignore this big drums... maybe you can use 1/2 slider here 00:41:983 (2) - instead so the drums will be mapped as well. Or you can do something like this http://puu.sh/q1dXN/0e19460f7b.jpg if you want to emphasize the drum better but I guess you wont... btw, these rhythms 00:42:845 (1,2) - works better too and I think they are parallel sound so you might as well use the same rhythm.
    This is perfectly fine rhythm-wise imo. It's following the main melody like you've guessed. Using the same rhythm as 00:42:845 (1,2,1,2) - would make things repetitive, which I don't want, therefore I vary it like this. Either way, the impact of drums at 00:43:534 - is rolled over by a slider, so I don't see why that'd cover the drums better in your opinion.
  8. 00:45:603 (1,2) - DS please, and I think you better blanket both part somehow like this http://puu.sh/q1e34/66c3649ad7.jpg
    DS is intentional. Blanket as been suggested before, but I'd rather not, since it looks fine as it is.
  9. 00:55:259 (1,1) - Ye, very slightly touching, maybe you can either move 00:56:638 (1) - slightly downward or make them a parallel pattern.
    These are not touching, though...
  10. 01:06:293 (1,2,1) - Ehmm, maybe you could try something like this http://puu.sh/q1eaM/aef79a99d1.jpg P.S. it wont be possible if you don't change the previous rhythm since you will be run out of space so you can either move the entire rhythm here 01:03:534 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - slightly to the left or rotate this 01:05:603 (2,1) - counter clockwise, just slightly (I did the latter btw)
    Moved previous pattern to the left slightly and fixed some blankets around here.
  11. 01:07:672 (1) - Considering you paused here, I assume you fully only follow the main melody... but well since the rhythm here 01:09:052 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1) - following piano, and there's piano sound here 01:08:362 maybe you can add a 1/1 or 1 1/2 slider to make a bridge of rhythm change there.
    This pause is intentional. I'm following the instrument that stops at 01:07:672 - in this whole measure (yes, I'm following an instrument that isn't playing), in order to give the player some time to adjust their hand if necessary and to emphasize the next downbeat as well. It also builds up some tension to the upcoming piano solo, where note placement is a bit denser.
  12. 01:13:190 (1) - ^ here too, I think there's also similar piano sound so maybe you could try this rhythm http://puu.sh/q1esL/5ce91a5bd0.jpg or at least just the piano here 01:14:224 since maybe the sound before that is just accompaniment.
  13. 01:17:328 (1) - I think adding a reverse here would be fit so well but since you have spinner there and this is Normal, I don't think you would want a note just right before a spinner...
    Correct, this is still normal. I'd rather slow down the rhythm before the spinner so the player can prepare better. This will also act as a smooth transition to the pause.
  14. 01:33:534 (2,2) - overlap~ maybe you can make 01:33:534 (2) - face more upward so you can move 01:33:879 (1,2) - upward too http://puu.sh/q1eAA/401daf96da.jpg
    Moved them apart a bit like you mentioned.
  15. 01:43:534 (1,2,3) - is this anti flow on purpose? I don't really recommend these for Normal .-.
    It's on purpose. The higher difficulties have more anti-flow, flow reverses and overlaps, so this, along with other elements of the map, will work nicely as a step up towards reading those techniques better. (Either way, it's not a big deal. This section of the song is quite intense anyway)
  16. The rest is mostly fine... maybe you can NC every two measures for at least Normal so the combos wouldn't be too short? .-.
    New combos isn't about some number on the notes. It's about following the measures. This is what I do in all the other difficulties, and so I'll keep it consistent across the whole mapset. It doesn't matter if I have 2 or 3 notes per combo; what matters is how the combos fit to the song and how it will affect your HP drain. If I gain too much health from the combos, I increase HP, but imo it's fine as it is.

I hated Advanced, soo...
Well, that's a shame.

[Hard]
  1. 00:02:845 (1,2) - This kind of overlap pattern don't really looks good if the second slider is short imo, it's just look messy with their slider end collided... This what's it looks like with default skin http://puu.sh/q1eKs/83cc0d2843.jpg Maybe you could use some other pattern like http://puu.sh/q1eNp/13d48cbd9e.jpg so
    I prioritize elements of my map like this: Rhythm > Flow > Aesthetics. If I can make things look better and still flow the same way, I'll change it, but even minor details like this can really change how the map is played, and I'd rather not make such drastic measures solely for something not looking good, because "look good" is often extremely subjective.
    Either way, no one else has pointed this out, so it's likely that our styles just differ.
  2. 00:04:224 (1,2) - only slightly touching make them looks ugly, either make them touch more http://puu.sh/q1eQi/d1c9bccfcb.jpg (watch out for slider tail if you decided to do this) or make them don't touch at all.
    This has been pointed out before, and it also won't change much by fixing it, so I'll make sure to adjust these.
  3. 00:05:948 (2,3) - ye, this almost touching too, don't look that nice. Either curve it the other way (which I don't recommend) or just make them 00:05:948 (2,3) - a parallel pattern.
    The keyword here is "almost".
  4. 00:11:810 (4,5) - ehm, maybe you can blanket this then just duplicate it and rotate it to make this 00:11:121 (1) - http://puu.sh/q1f0A/97abebcb1b.jpg
    That's a good idea. Blanketed and flipped.
  5. 00:12:500 (1,2) - nope. nope. NOPE. don't do this pls, just blanket them. I don't know what kind of pattern you're trying to make, but if you insisted on the straight shape (I guess you will) move the entire next rhythm slightly downward. Or simply, just don't make 00:12:500 (1,2) - touch
    Chill lol, I moved the circle down a bit and kept it linear, they no longer touch.
  6. 00:15:603 (2,1) - overlapped slightly, maybe you can rotate 00:16:638 (1,2,3) - a few degrees counter clockwise then re-blanket it http://puu.sh/q1f9s/62e871b67f.jpg the jump should be fine to emphasize downbeat.
    How is 00:15:603 (2,1) - not fine, but 00:55:259 (1,4) - is? I'm noticing contradictions... Either way, I think this is fine.
  7. 00:32:328 (2) - With cymbal sound here 00:32:500 this note feels so off... maybe follow the cymbal for just this time? ;-;\
    For this part I'm solely following the piano. I'm already aware that there is a finish here, but it's irrelevant.
  8. 00:35:948 (1,3) - The thing about collided slider end similar to 00:02:845 (1,2) - and almost touching thing here 00:36:638 (3,4) - you can simply fix this by one move btw http://puu.sh/q1fio/d150b88c29.jpg well not really one move, still need some perfection after that.
    Moved (4) slightly to the left so it's no longer touching the border of (3).
  9. 00:39:397 (4,1) - this is terrible tbh... I really prefer something like this http://puu.sh/q1fnH/714d0f43c4.jpg but you will have to move 00:39:397 (4,5) - slightly downward to make some room to do so...
    Yeah actually these were on purpose like you guessed. Although our opinions sort of conflict I see. I believe it looks fine and reads fine, so I'll keep it for now. I mean I think this looks awesome, but perhaps that's just me...

    You can also clearly see the heads when they need to be clicked, so the "hard to read" argument isn't exactly valid, in my opinion. There'd need to be more concrete reasoning to convince me otherwise.

  10. 00:42:500 (4,3) - I started to think this is on purpose, but I still think it's terrible as well... I mean it would make it sorta hard to read imo...
  11. 00:43:879 (4,3) - *screams internally* maybe just stack this thing... really.... http://puu.sh/q1ftN/959d3ea87e.jpg
    *screams externally* Stacked and fixed some blanket stuff around here.
    inb4 nazi mod
  12. 00:45:259 (4,2) - ^ just stack please.
  13. 00:47:672 (3,4) - I think it would do better like this http://puu.sh/q1fzr/c6871416b8.jpg and what's with your DS really...
    I intentionally left out the blanket to give (4) and angle where it would create a jump to (1), the next downbeat, emphasizing it.
  14. 00:48:362 (1,3) - Same thing about collided slider tail here... maybe you can check for more.
  15. 00:50:431 (4,5) - ^
  16. 00:50:431 (4,1) - hhhhhhhhhhhhh....... Move (1) a bit upward please.
    hhhhhhhhhhhh....... that would make (5) and (1) too spaced. Moved (4) down instead.
  17. 00:53:017 (3,4,1) - oh god why...
    See explanation on your first for reason of rejection.
  18. 00:53:534 (4,3) -
  19. 00:54:914 (4,3) -
  20. 01:02:500 (2,3,4,5) - Why the different distance tho.
    I've had another mod say this was difficult, but you're just asking why, so I'll explain it I guess...
    This jump was made for emphasization of the beat landing on (4), in accordance to the decreasing pitch of the piano.

    EDIT: The second stack was replaced by a repeat after 6th's mod.
  21. 00:55:259 (1,4) - This one is fine.
    It would be nice if you could explain why as well. Making exceptions without explanations often dooms your theory pretty quickly.
  22. 01:04:914 (1,4) - Yessshhh
    Didn't exactly participate to flow, so I moved these a bit.
  23. 01:06:983 (3,4) - I guess I gotta stop mentioning these.
    You should've seen this before Aeril's mod changed it lol
  24. 01:07:328 (4,2) - I can't stop >~< Maybe these are on purpose? still not a good idea...
    I'll be waiting for more opinions on this for now. I'll add "EDIT" in purple if I decide to change something after the case.
  25. Your placement is..... but well, I can say your rhythm is good, but placement is also one important thing since osu! is not just about rhythm unlike taiko and mania, it's also about placement....
    *insert ramble here*

    Enough rambling.

    I hope you can see aesthetics from my perspective as I can see rhythm from yours.

Good luck~

Thank you both!
6th
hello

[Easy]
00:03:534 (2) - Extend it to red tick so it covers the whole sound and fits better
00:09:052 (2) - same
00:22:155 (1) - what does this spinner cover ? The stream starts much earlier and the only sound that would deserve a spin starts here 00:23:017 -
Btw I'd map that break. Feels random, the music is rather intense.
00:32:845 - this sounds really different from 00:32:328 - and 00:31:810 - so consider making it clickable or removing arrows. It's the equivalent of 00:31:466 -. same for 00:34:224 -
00:33:190 (1) - No NC
00:36:293 - 00:36:638 - the flow here seems pretty harsh for no reason, move (1) please
00:35:948 (1) - extend it to next white tick so it correctly covers the whole sound
00:37:328 (1) - I recommand extending it to red tick, especially if you applied the previous suggestion (it would give it more impact) because it does not cover the whole sound correctly.
00:39:224 - map it ? doesn't sound that different from 00:38:534 -
00:46:983 (1) - making it follow previous flow kills the impact it should have.
01:09:224 - consider making it clickable because piano.
3th kiai : same as first about rhythm.
01:43:534 (1) - move it down because the movement from 01:43:190 - to 01:43:534 - makes it straightness useless.
01:50:431 (1) - the intense part that it covers starts here 01:50:086 -
01:53:190 - Add a spinner to fit with the spread.

[Advanced]
This one is pretty cool.
Increase AR a bit.
00:26:293 (1) - Since the note density is really low you should play on flow to emphasize sounds. Rotate it.
00:31:810 (1,1) - same as Normal
00:34:569 (1) - That spinner is really short, also the break after it is not big enough
01:00:431 (3,1) - That 1/1 stack is rather hard to predict due to the high note density and the background stream.

[Hard]
00:06:897 - you missed a sound
00:08:707 (2) - ctrl+g ? Gives (3) more impact and looks the same
00:12:155 - pretty strong sound, try making it clickable
00:13:534 (5,6) - should look like 00:12:500 (1,2,3) - and 00:13:879 (1,2,3) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5623092
00:15:948 (3) - try blanketing it like that, feels less clustered https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5623099
00:23:190 - you miss a strong stream, too bad
00:25:776 (4,5) - stack them with (1) and (2) ? optional
00:27:155 - this sound has nothing to do with previous ones, no reverse please.
00:57:155 (2) - Try making the spacing between (1) and (3) the same https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5623118
01:02:845 (4) - that jumps feels a bit random, and it's harsh to play because the stack already breaks the momentum
01:09:914 (4,5) - any reason to stack these ?
01:13:017 (5) - the linear flow here 01:12:845 (4,5,1) - unemphasizes it
01:51:810 (1) - It's more intense but easier to tap...
01:42:500 (2) - move to (300;72) so the spacing looks the same overall
01:33:362 - Having a direction change here like 01:32:845 - would have been better
01:35:259 (1) - move it up because the movement from 01:35:086 - to 01:35:259 - makes it straightness useless.
rhythm looks good.

[Insane]
00:07:672 (3,4,5) - what is this for ? use circles
00:12:155 (5,6,1) - triangle ?
00:24:310 - add something ?
00:26:293 (1) - this seems random since you skipped the 1/6 sounds earlier.
00:47:672 (4) - not nicely emphasized, change flow please
00:51:810 (3) - move to (176;172) for aesthetics reasons
00:57:328 (3,4) - these sounds are pretty strong, circles ?
01:15:948 (1,3) - why can't I hear red ticks ?
01:18:707 (1) - more intense but easier.
01:50:776 (2) - what is this for ?
01:05:259 (2,3) - really high spacing for no real reason imo.

[Lunatic]
00:10:086 (3) - move it to (277;172) so it looks better
00:11:638 (2,3) - try to make this a bit more curvy.
00:26:293 (1) - any reason for those soft samples ?
00:41:293 - direction change here please so it feels emphasized
00:46:810 (4) - circles please, both ticks sound the same
00:52:328 - same.
00:58:621 - You missed a sound here.
This one seems fine too.
Topic Starter
Naxess
6th

6th wrote:

hello Greetings

[Easy ...but this is normal xD]
00:03:534 (2) - Extend it to red tick so it covers the whole sound and fits better
I'd have done than in an easy difficulty, but this normal, and I'd rather emphasize 00:04:052 - than having it be a slider end.
00:09:052 (2) - same
00:22:155 (1) - what does this spinner cover ? The stream starts much earlier and the only sound that would deserve a spin starts here 00:23:017 -
00:22:155 - one instrument ends here and this spinner acts as resolution to it's last beat. It also covers the sound you mentioned at 00:23:017 - , leading up to 00:23:534 - , where the spinner ends.
Btw I'd map that break. Feels random, the music is rather intense.
I feel that using more breaks in normal is alright, but perhaps I'll change this soon.
00:32:845 - this sounds really different from 00:32:328 - and 00:31:810 - so consider making it clickable or removing arrows. It's the equivalent of 00:31:466 -. same for 00:34:224 -
The piano goes in a rhythm of white-red-white for both 00:31:810 (1,1) - , which is why I think this is fine. Making other things than the downbeats clickable during this time would not transition well from the break and would also not emphasize the notes like they currently are.
00:33:190 (1) - No NC
I've NCed every measure up until this point, so straying from that makes no sense imo. 00:33:190 (1) - is also a very different pitch, so it would make sense that it's a seperate combo from the first.
00:36:293 - 00:36:638 - the flow here seems pretty harsh for no reason, move (1) please
True, this is sort of unnecessary. Curved and moved it a bit.
00:35:948 (1) - extend it to next white tick so it correctly covers the whole sound
Unlike 00:38:017 - , 00:36:638 - has a sound, which is what I'm making clickable. It makes sense rhythmically.
00:37:328 (1) - I recommand extending it to red tick, especially if you applied the previous suggestion (it would give it more impact) because it does not cover the whole sound correctly.
This is still normal, there's no need to reduce the distance between tails and clickables this much, because it'll create unwanted difficulty and emphasization. That's why I'm ending them on beats like 00:38:017 - and 00:36:293 - . It creates the same effect, but makes it more lenient and rhythmical (covering beats with tails).
00:39:224 - map it ? doesn't sound that different from 00:38:534 -
I've already noticed this, but it's still normal below 2.0 SR, so I don't want to make things too dense. 00:39:052 - is stronger than 00:39:224 - , which is why the slider ends there.
00:46:983 (1) - making it follow previous flow kills the impact it should have.
I see what you mean, but I don't think it's that bad. I'll think about how I can change it in the meantime.
01:09:224 - consider making it clickable because piano.
That's going to get very dense, and it's already dense enough. I believe 01:09:052 - is stronger.
3th kiai : same as first about rhythm.
01:43:534 (1) - move it down because the movement from 01:43:190 - to 01:43:534 - makes it straightness useless.
Changed slider shapes and positions.

01:50:431 (1) - the intense part that it covers starts here 01:50:086 -
I'm listening to the violin, not the beats.
01:53:190 - Add a spinner to fit with the spread.
It's missing a spinner because of recovery time. That's why it has 4 spinners, like Hard and Lunatic (though they have spinners at different places sometimes to fit with the difficulty).

[Advanced]
This one is pretty cool.
Increase AR a bit.
AR is now 6.3, I don't think it should have much more because it'd weigh too much towards hard's AR.
00:26:293 (1) - Since the note density is really low you should play on flow to emphasize sounds. Rotate it.
That's a good idea. Rotated 60 degrees.
00:31:810 (1,1) - same as Normal
This is advanced, so I guess rhythm can be a bit denser. Made more stuff clickable.
00:34:569 (1) - That spinner is really short, also the break after it is not big enough
Checked with Refaller. Advanced is like light-hard, and hard allows for a minimum of 1 beat recovery time, thus this should be fine in an advanced difficulty.
01:00:431 (3,1) - That 1/1 stack is rather hard to predict due to the high note density and the background stream.
I don't think it's that hard to predict. All new combos are on new measures, so you basically just have to click that circle and then wait for the next beat (since new combos begin on downbeats). I'll wait for more opinions, although I see your point.

I fixed some hitsound issues as well.

[Hard]
00:06:897 - you missed a sound
This is right before a downbeat and as such I can emphasize it better by not mapping anything here. Plus adding a note here would make things quite dense imo.
00:08:707 (2) - ctrl+g ? Gives (3) more impact and looks the same
Oh, that's a good idea.
Used Ctrl+G on 00:10:086 (2) - as well, to emphasize 00:10:431 (3) - more.
00:12:155 - pretty strong sound, try making it clickable
I could make the same argument for 00:11:466 - though...
00:13:534 (5,6) - should look like 00:12:500 (1,2,3) - and 00:13:879 (1,2,3) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5623092
Actually this was intentional to mix things up a bit.
00:15:948 (3) - try blanketing it like that, feels less clustered https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5623099
It's is already blanketed, but yeah I moved it slightly further away so it's less clustered.
00:23:190 - you miss a strong stream, too bad
This is fine, I'd rather skip that stream than remove the spinner, since this whole measure is a bit different from the previous (main melody isn't playing).
00:25:776 (4,5) - stack them with (1) and (2) ? optional
I've already denied this a few times.
This was intentionally done so players could read it better. (The notes are of the same combo and are distanced 2 beats apart on the timeline, which means that when one of the notes disappear, the other one will appear in it's place, making it seem as if you'd already clicked it)
00:27:155 - this sound has nothing to do with previous ones, no reverse please.
It's funny, this measure follows both piano and drums, but doesn't prioritize any of them. I'll remap this part. (I'll keep the repeat though, as I think it's a good transition from piano to drums and allowing me to cover both at similar emphasis)
Remapped. with too many blankets
00:57:155 (2) - Try making the spacing between (1) and (3) the same https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5623118
Unified blanket distance and distance spacing.
01:02:845 (4) - that jumps feels a bit random, and it's harsh to play because the stack already breaks the momentum
Welp, third time it's been pointed out. Guess I'll change it. Second stack is now a 1/4 repeating slider instead.
01:09:914 (4,5) - any reason to stack these ?
Since you're just asking, I'll explain it. For one, it's a theme around this section. The main reason is because they're basically the same pitch, and also provides some acceleration for 01:10:259 (6,1) - , after the flow break here, to reflect the piano's rising pitch.
01:13:017 (5) - the linear flow here 01:12:845 (4,5,1) - unemphasizes it
Perhaps in a flow sense, but not rhythmically. The slider's inherit hold requirement is what emphasizes it.
You may be confused as to why there is a jump to 01:12:328 (3) - but not to 01:13:190 (1) - , and this is because (3) does not have a sound right before it like (1) does 01:13:017 (5) - .
I moved (1) so it doesn't overlap (3), but it's sort of irrelevant to your suggestion.

01:51:810 (1) - It's more intense but easier to tap...
Easier to tap directly, sure, but it builds up tension and stress for the player knowing they have to press 01:52:500 (2) - right after, from a slider with a large amount of repeats compared to the other 1/4 repeating sliders, and this is how I chose to reflect the music.
01:42:500 (2) - move to (300;72) so the spacing looks the same overall
This whole combo 01:42:155 (1,2,3,4) - now uses 1.10x to give this section a greater intial burst.
01:33:362 - Having a direction change here like 01:32:845 - would have been better
Well, I'll think about changing this, not really sure how atm.
01:35:259 (1) - move it up because the movement from 01:35:086 - to 01:35:259 - makes it straightness useless.
I don't really see what you mean...
rhythm looks good.

[Insane *lifts finger* but- ... *lowers finger* xD]
00:07:672 (3,4,5) - what is this for ? use circles
Using circles would break the white-red blue polarity.
00:12:155 (5,6,1) - triangle ?
Trangle it is.
00:24:310 - add something ?
Will wait for more opinions, I think it's fine since this section is mostly following drums.
00:26:293 (1) - this seems random since you skipped the 1/6 sounds earlier.
There's a drum sound where the 1/3 would otherwise be 00:25:086 - , that isn't at the other one 00:26:466 - , so I thought I might as well make the repeat cover some piano while drums are silent.
00:47:672 (4) - not nicely emphasized, change flow please
Tried something, although an example would've been nice...

00:51:810 (3) - move to (176;172) for aesthetics reasons
Aesthetic reasons? You could've just said you wanted to blanket the tail of (1) with (3) lol
but yeah sure, I fixed the blanket, since it wasn't very symmetrical.
I also basically moved and rotated everything around here to fit together and flow better I guess.

00:57:328 (3,4) - these sounds are pretty strong, circles ?
I think 1/2 sliders are fine (insane also uses 1/2 sliders, for instance), I'll wait for more opinions.
01:15:948 (1,3) - why can't I hear red ticks ?
Because they basically use the exact same drum hit-hat sound as the song lmao. Trust me, you'll hear when you're playing if you're off.
01:18:707 (1) - more intense but easier.
Explained this earlier, see Hard.
01:50:776 (2) - what is this for ?
It was following piano, but after some testplays I realized it was a bit hard to predict after how Hard did it.
01:05:259 (2,3) - really high spacing for no real reason imo.
At first I thought these were stronger, but I guess not. Lowered spacing to around 1.0x DS.

[Lunatic]
00:10:086 (3) - move it to (277;172) so it looks better
Moved. Not exactly where you said, but got what you meant.
00:11:638 (2,3) - try to make this a bit more curvy.
Adjusted. Slightly more curved.
00:26:293 (1) - any reason for those soft samples ?
Changed. Now 5% volume instead of soft sampleset for consistency.
00:41:293 - direction change here please so it feels emphasized
I think the pure distance covered by your cursor is what emphasizes it, but it's been pointed out a few times so I'll think about it.
00:46:810 (4) - circles please, both ticks sound the same
I don't really think this argument is good enough. I prefer it as a burst 1/4 slider.
00:52:328 - same.
00:58:621 - You missed a sound here.
Previous note is now a 1/4 slider whose tail covers this.
This one seems fine too.

Thanks, I'll probably ask for some testplays and see whether what I considered should be changed or not.

Updated the background to one of higher quality.
sahuang
NC is somehow too frequent in Lunatic and it's bit messy.
Besides, some flows are too straight and you should put more focus on the distance.
Quite a nice map, much better than my first few i can say,good luck lol
Topic Starter
Naxess
Ayyri
2016-07-22 09:59 Ayyri: yo naxess
2016-07-22 09:59 Ayyri: do you care if the m4m is irc
2016-07-22 10:00 Naxess: wait a minute
2016-07-22 10:05 Naxess: ok
2016-07-22 10:05 Naxess: Yeah sure
2016-07-22 10:05 Naxess: Begin when you're ready
2016-07-22 10:08 Naxess: Also take your time, I'm not expecting you to rush the mod lol
2016-07-22 10:08 Ayyri: I gotcha
2016-07-22 10:08 Ayyri: 00:35:948 -
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: Starting at this kiai
2016-07-22 10:09 Naxess: diff=
2016-07-22 10:09 Naxess: ?
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1000383 0mega - No.3 [Normal]]
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: It's normal to go bottom up but :D
2016-07-22 10:09 Naxess: I usually mod like this as well lol
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: yee
2016-07-22 10:09 Ayyri: You have this custom whistle
2016-07-22 10:10 Ayyri: And it's on every other 1/1 beat
2016-07-22 10:10 Ayyri: imo it sounds really weird that you don't have a slider tick hs for this point 00:37:672 -
Added soft-slidertick2 and used it to cover claps on sliderticks in Normal and Advanced.
2016-07-22 10:11 Naxess: How do I add slidertick hitsounds?
2016-07-22 10:11 Naxess: And wouldn't that make ALL sliderticks the same hitsound?
2016-07-22 10:11 Ayyri: no
2016-07-22 10:13 Naxess: Hm... I could briefly change the sampleset to one which has a clap as slidertick and then back
2016-07-22 10:13 Naxess: But isn't there another way?
2016-07-22 10:14 Ayyri: https://puu.sh/qaHtK/b5618c84b4.wav
2016-07-22 10:14 Ayyri: "soft-slidertick2"
2016-07-22 10:14 Ayyri: at either 00:37:586 - or 00:37:672 - change the custom hs to 2
2016-07-22 10:14 Naxess: That's the only way huh
2016-07-22 10:15 Ayyri: then back to 1 at 00:37:759 -
2016-07-22 10:15 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 10:15 Naxess: Alright I'll do that
2016-07-22 10:15 Ayyri: Also
2016-07-22 10:16 Ayyri: 00:41:983 - why is this drum?
2016-07-22 10:16 Naxess: All red ticks are drum samplesets
2016-07-22 10:16 Naxess: The drum-hitnormal is a hit-hat hitsound
2016-07-22 10:17 Ayyri: I gotcha
2016-07-22 10:17 Ayyri: yeah, so far, the other time in this kiai that it's happened was at 00:38:534 -
2016-07-22 10:18 Ayyri: tbh at 00:41:983 - the drum doesn't really match the melody. it would sound better using the same sound as 00:41:466 -
2016-07-22 10:18 Ayyri: 00:43:707 - do you want this slider tick sound here? (I'd just make it 5% at 00:43:707 - then change it back to 85% at 00:43:793 - )
2016-07-22 10:19 Ayyri: same with at 00:45:086 -
2016-07-22 10:19 Naxess: Ah I see
2016-07-22 10:19 Naxess: I'll make them hit-hats I guess
Added soft-slidertick3 and used it to cover hit-hats on sliderticks in Normal and Advanced.
2016-07-22 10:19 Ayyri: I see
2016-07-22 10:20 Ayyri: 00:46:983 - why ignore this finish? it's not a sound that's overemphasized in this song. so I think that you should add that with your whistle here
Added finish.
2016-07-22 10:20 Ayyri: 00:48:707 - same thing as in the first part of the kiai with the slider tick
2016-07-22 10:21 Ayyri: 00:53:017 - same as the last time this sound happened, sounds better the same as 00:52:500 -
2016-07-22 10:21 Naxess: Oh missed the finish
2016-07-22 10:22 Ayyri: tbh at 00:49:569 - and 00:38:534 - i don't really like the drum hs you have here, but you already explained why it's there. (but i don't think it really fits the melody all that well?)
2016-07-22 10:22 Ayyri: but those are keepable, at least to me
2016-07-22 10:22 Ayyri: they weren't as out of place as the ones on the circle (since these parts are a bit louder)
2016-07-22 10:22 Naxess: Sorry I crashed lol
2016-07-22 10:23 Ayyri: Do you want my last three messages?
2016-07-22 10:23 Naxess: Changes were saved though
2016-07-22 10:23 Naxess: Yeh
2016-07-22 10:23 Ayyri: (From your last message)
2016-07-22 10:23 Ayyri: alright
2016-07-22 10:23 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/yqyIOBF.png
2016-07-22 10:24 Naxess: So you mean the drum sliderticks?
2016-07-22 10:24 Ayyri: what
2016-07-22 10:24 Naxess: Wait link those two again
2016-07-22 10:27 Ayyri: 00:48:707 - ?
2016-07-22 10:28 Ayyri: or 00:49:569 - and 00:38:534 -
2016-07-22 10:28 Naxess: 00:49:569 -
2016-07-22 10:28 Naxess: Yeah those
2016-07-22 10:28 Ayyri: those aren't slider ticks? D:
2016-07-22 10:28 Naxess: Did you want me to remove the hit-hats?
2016-07-22 10:29 Naxess: No no, I was assuming since I didn't know where you'd pointed at lol
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: oh lol
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: but
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: kind of, yeah
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: the sound in general
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: just sounds out of place
2016-07-22 10:29 Naxess: Really?
2016-07-22 10:29 Ayyri: when you could just be using the kind of sound you have at 00:49:741 -
2016-07-22 10:30 Ayyri: like how you did at the beginning with 00:02:672 -
2016-07-22 10:30 Naxess: But those hit-hats are basically all over in the song, and they sound very similar, don't they?
2016-07-22 10:30 Naxess: Well that was just because there was a drum impact and no hit-hat
2016-07-22 10:31 Ayyri: to me, not really
2016-07-22 10:31 Ayyri: and yeah, i get why you used it in the beginning
2016-07-22 10:31 Ayyri: but that's how i think those shorter sliders would sound best
2016-07-22 10:31 Ayyri: but if you disagree, that's alright
2016-07-22 10:31 Naxess: Hmm, I'll wait and see if others think so too I guess
2016-07-22 10:32 Ayyri: I gotcha
2016-07-22 10:32 Ayyri: (Very few people actually really care about aesthetics such as slider art of hitsounding so D: )
2016-07-22 10:32 Ayyri: 00:56:121 - slider tick like the earlier ones
2016-07-22 10:33 Naxess: Already fixed those
2016-07-22 10:33 Ayyri: good :D
2016-07-22 10:33 Ayyri: consider adding a whistle at 01:06:121 -
2016-07-22 10:34 Naxess: But, there's no beat in the song to reflect with a whistle?
2016-07-22 10:34 Ayyri: I couldn't tell you what the sound is
2016-07-22 10:34 Ayyri: but the one that would generally be a piano
2016-07-22 10:34 Ayyri: since it goes down, then up at 01:06:293 -
2016-07-22 10:34 Naxess: Yeah I gotcha lol
2016-07-22 10:35 Naxess: Well I usually only add hitsounds where the song specifically has that instrument playing.
2016-07-22 10:35 Naxess: In the whistle's case, it's the drums/beat
2016-07-22 10:35 Ayyri: Ah
2016-07-22 10:35 Ayyri: I feel
2016-07-22 10:35 Ayyri: 01:09:569 -
2016-07-22 10:36 Ayyri: this slider sounds like it's a bit early
2016-07-22 10:36 Ayyri: like with how you've mapped previously
2016-07-22 10:36 Ayyri: imo it would sound better starting at 01:09:741 -
2016-07-22 10:36 Ayyri: also the drum hs would work there actually
2016-07-22 10:36 Naxess: Well in this section I'm trying to follow piano
2016-07-22 10:37 Naxess: 01:08:276 - this giant gap was sort of the transition
2016-07-22 10:37 Ayyri: I know
2016-07-22 10:37 Ayyri: but there's no strong piano beat at 01:09:569 -
2016-07-22 10:37 Naxess: Not?
2016-07-22 10:38 Naxess: I hear piano quite clearly on that red tick
2016-07-22 10:38 Ayyri: like even at 01:10:259 - the beat isn't that strong here
2016-07-22 10:38 Naxess: Wait
2016-07-22 10:39 Naxess: 01:10:776 - is it strong here?
2016-07-22 10:39 Naxess: or here? 01:11:121 -
2016-07-22 10:39 Naxess: Because I can't hear piano on those lol
2016-07-22 10:39 Ayyri: those are kind of iffy
2016-07-22 10:39 Ayyri: but yeah, they could be considered "stronger"
2016-07-22 10:39 Naxess: I think you might be listening to drums is the thing
2016-07-22 10:39 Ayyri: the only reason i agree with those sliders
2016-07-22 10:40 Ayyri: is because the piano is being held out there
2016-07-22 10:40 Ayyri: well
2016-07-22 10:40 Ayyri: if you don't agree, you don't have to accept those suggestions
2016-07-22 10:40 Naxess: Hm, I don't really see what you mean xD
2016-07-22 10:41 Ayyri: you see the piano at 01:10:431 - ?
2016-07-22 10:41 Naxess: All clickables have impacts from the piano in this section, so yes.
2016-07-22 10:41 Ayyri: you can tell the note is being held out until 01:10:776 -
2016-07-22 10:41 Ayyri: yeah
2016-07-22 10:42 Naxess: Although
2016-07-22 10:42 Naxess: 01:09:052 (1) - should this end at 01:09:224 - do you think?
2016-07-22 10:42 Naxess: I'd sort of be missing the clap in that case, but I'd be following piano better I guess...
2016-07-22 10:42 Ayyri: no
2016-07-22 10:43 Ayyri: in this difficulty
2016-07-22 10:43 Naxess: Alright
2016-07-22 10:43 Ayyri: it'd be better to end it at 01:09:397 -
2016-07-22 10:43 Naxess: Yeah I agree
2016-07-22 10:44 Ayyri: 01:11:293 - / 01:12:672 - / 01:15:431 - / 01:17:672 - do you want these slider ticks audible?
2016-07-22 10:44 Ayyri: also 01:17:328 - could be blanketed by 01:16:638 - but i can see that you copied and pasted 01:16:638 - from 01:15:948 -
2016-07-22 10:44 Naxess: All of them are already audible, I fixed it while waiting for you lol
2016-07-22 10:45 Ayyri: alright, good :D
2016-07-22 10:45 Naxess: Hm
2016-07-22 10:46 Naxess: Yeah idk, will probably keep it as it is atm without blanketing it
2016-07-22 10:46 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 10:46 Naxess: I'd probably add a note at 01:18:362 - though to cover the clap
Added note to cover clap at 01:18:362 - in Normal and Advanced.
2016-07-22 10:46 Ayyri: it's really minor, so it doesn't matter too much
2016-07-22 10:46 Ayyri: and yeah
2016-07-22 10:46 Ayyri: i was gonna say that too
2016-07-22 10:47 Ayyri: 01:20:086 - could end with a finish, but it's up to you
2016-07-22 10:47 Naxess: btw, I'll want you to check advanced and hyper as well if possible, so you don't have to point out stuff that repeats itself, like the slidertick stuff.
2016-07-22 10:47 Naxess: Good idea
2016-07-22 10:48 Ayyri: I gotcha
2016-07-22 10:48 Naxess: Actually the finish doesn't fit now that I listen to it XD
2016-07-22 10:48 Ayyri: 01:30:431 - should the preview point be here? or do you purposely have it before for some reason?
Snapped preview time on all difficulties.
2016-07-22 10:48 Ayyri: yeah, i was kinda like iffy about the finish lol
2016-07-22 10:49 Ayyri: shouldn't*
2016-07-22 10:49 Naxess: Hm, originally I moved the offset
2016-07-22 10:49 Naxess: So maybe I'll snap it
2016-07-22 10:49 Ayyri: oh D:
2016-07-22 10:50 Naxess: Although atm it sort of compensates for the fade-in I guess lol
2016-07-22 10:50 Ayyri: did you already fix the slider ticks in the kiai too?
2016-07-22 10:50 Naxess: ye
2016-07-22 10:50 Ayyri: aight
2016-07-22 10:50 Ayyri: 01:37:155 - drum hs
2016-07-22 10:50 Ayyri: idk if you fixed it before
2016-07-22 10:51 Ayyri: 01:42:155 - finish
2016-07-22 10:51 Ayyri: 01:44:052 - drum hs here too
2016-07-22 10:51 Ayyri: i wouldn't put any sound on that beat tbh
2016-07-22 10:52 Ayyri: 01:58:707 - nice finish :D
2016-07-22 10:52 Naxess: Oh lol I had one there xD
2016-07-22 10:52 Naxess: Well it fits in this case at least
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: yeah, i'm saying i like it :D
2016-07-22 10:53 Naxess: yup
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: Also
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: was this normal below 2*?
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: originally
2016-07-22 10:53 Naxess: Yes
2016-07-22 10:53 Ayyri: ah
2016-07-22 10:54 Ayyri: I ask since the easiest diff is supposed to be below 2* D:
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: Btw, could you try something
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: Ctrl+A
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: All the notes
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: add and remove combo
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: So nothing has NC
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: Then open AiMod
2016-07-22 10:54 Naxess: check for DS
2016-07-22 10:55 Ayyri: do you want me to point things out?
2016-07-22 10:55 Ayyri: or what
2016-07-22 10:55 Naxess: Nah just say what AiMod says
2016-07-22 10:55 Ayyri: yeah, that's what i was asking lol
2016-07-22 10:55 Naxess: It sometimes skips DS errors on new combos
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: 00:34:569 - and 00:35:948 -
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: said these were too far a part
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: apart*
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: which imo isn't a problem
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: reading wise
2016-07-22 10:56 Naxess: That's ok lol
2016-07-22 10:56 Ayyri: that's it lol
2016-07-22 10:56 Naxess: Alright nice
2016-07-22 10:57 Naxess: Now for advanced?
2016-07-22 10:57 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 10:57 Ayyri: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1005177 0mega - No.3 [Advanced]]
2016-07-22 10:57 Naxess: That's probably the most accepted stuff on normal I've had so far lol
2016-07-22 10:57 Ayyri: :D
2016-07-22 10:58 Ayyri: 00:27:672 -
2016-07-22 10:58 Ayyri: this pattern sounds a bit
2016-07-22 10:58 Ayyri: weird
2016-07-22 10:59 Ayyri: like idk
2016-07-22 10:59 Naxess: Well, it does in the song too so I think it's fine
2016-07-22 10:59 Ayyri: tbh it might just work best as a reverse slider
2016-07-22 10:59 Ayyri: yeah
2016-07-22 11:00 Naxess: I'd miss this 00:27:931 - or 00:28:017 - in that case
2016-07-22 11:00 Ayyri: i say this
2016-07-22 11:00 Ayyri: because it's an advanced
2016-07-22 11:00 Ayyri: so it shouldn't be that technical yet
2016-07-22 11:00 Ayyri: but if it were a reverse slider, it would work best with the reverse at 00:27:845 -
2016-07-22 11:01 Naxess: Well advanced is sort of like warmup for hard, so adding a few technical stuff should be fine
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: idk
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: just the opening part
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: from normal to this
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: was like
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: "oh there's a lot more now"
2016-07-22 11:01 Naxess: ikr xD
2016-07-22 11:01 Ayyri: 00:32:328 -
2016-07-22 11:01 Naxess: I thought the gap was a bit high between hard and normal so I added this one, but it's still a bit of a difference
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: 00:32:500 - you're missing the cool finish at 00:32:500 - D:
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: yes i just did it twice
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: lol
2016-07-22 11:02 Naxess: 00:32:500 -
2016-07-22 11:02 Naxess: that finish
2016-07-22 11:02 Naxess: it's so random lol
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: it's so pretty w;
2016-07-22 11:02 Naxess: But I'm following piano so I'll skip it xD
2016-07-22 11:02 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 11:03 Ayyri: 00:41:983 -
2016-07-22 11:03 Ayyri: is this supposed to be blanketed
Adjusted a large amount of blankets in Advanced.
2016-07-22 11:03 Naxess: ah I see
2016-07-22 11:03 Naxess: 1 pixel off lmao
2016-07-22 11:03 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/9VCHYYt.png
2016-07-22 11:03 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 11:04 Ayyri: same thing at 00:43:362 -
2016-07-22 11:04 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/iFCdkIh.png
2016-07-22 11:04 Ayyri: and a third time at 00:44:741 -
2016-07-22 11:04 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/itZu2EL.png
2016-07-22 11:05 Ayyri: 00:48:362 - why is this like the only note that is completely following the violin
Changed the pattern of notes at 00:48:362 -.
2016-07-22 11:07 Naxess: I wanted to bring the flow from the left to the right but I didn't know how without overlapping through (2) xD
2016-07-22 11:07 Naxess: And ye it looks horrible
2016-07-22 11:07 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 11:07 Ayyri: the slider yeah
2016-07-22 11:07 Ayyri: and kind of breaks the rhythm
2016-07-22 11:08 Naxess: Do you have any suggestions?
2016-07-22 11:10 Ayyri: let me see
2016-07-22 11:11 Ayyri: (^:
2016-07-22 11:11 Ayyri: if you really wanted to
2016-07-22 11:11 Ayyri: you could copy and paste 00:46:983 - and ctrl+g it
2016-07-22 11:11 Naxess: Oh I think I solved it lol
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: then add a note at 00:49:052 -
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: O:
2016-07-22 11:12 Naxess: https://puu.sh/qaKI5/ed9e117501.jpg
2016-07-22 11:12 Naxess: https://puu.sh/qaKJ8/8594b42507.jpg
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: amazing
2016-07-22 11:12 Naxess: lol
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: quality beatmapping at work here
2016-07-22 11:12 Naxess: At least it looks better lmao
2016-07-22 11:12 Ayyri: ye aha
2016-07-22 11:14 Naxess: uh oh
2016-07-22 11:14 Naxess: more blankets
2016-07-22 11:14 Naxess: they're off ;w;
2016-07-22 11:14 Ayyri: oh
2016-07-22 11:14 Ayyri: no
2016-07-22 11:14 Ayyri: ):<
2016-07-22 11:14 Naxess: I'll fix them, you look for other stuff lol
2016-07-22 11:14 Ayyri: thank you :D
2016-07-22 11:15 Ayyri: 01:14:397 -
2016-07-22 11:16 Ayyri: do you want to skip this beat?
2016-07-22 11:16 Ayyri: since there's a piano roll here D:
2016-07-22 11:16 Naxess: Well I'd make 01:14:224 - clickable if I wanted to follow it
2016-07-22 11:16 Naxess: Following beat works as well imo
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: i mean
2016-07-22 11:17 Naxess: before you say, yes I'll add a note at 01:18:362 -
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: it already is clickable
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: since it's a slider
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: lol
2016-07-22 11:17 Naxess: Well I mean the slider end
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: and yeah
2016-07-22 11:17 Naxess: You don't really click down on it
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: it'd be good to have a beat at 01:18:362 -
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: since you did that in normal
2016-07-22 11:17 Ayyri: and, i think it'd be good to have those beats clickable
2016-07-22 11:18 Ayyri: something like http://i.imgur.com/EY5xyhM.png
2016-07-22 11:19 Ayyri: could work at 01:13:879 -
2016-07-22 11:19 Naxess: 01:18:707 (1) - removed finish from this
Removed finish from 01:18:707 (1) - for consistency with Normal.
2016-07-22 11:20 Naxess: Yeah that's what I mean
2016-07-22 11:20 Naxess: Well, it is still advanced
2016-07-22 11:20 Naxess: I'll try keeping some things simple I guess
2016-07-22 11:22 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 11:22 Naxess: fixed some blankets over in the other kiai
2016-07-22 11:22 Ayyri: nice :D
2016-07-22 11:22 Ayyri: 01:30:431 - fix the preview point
2016-07-22 11:23 Ayyri: also why is the break forced in advanced but not in normal?
Removed adjusted ending times for this break for consistency with Normal and Hard.
2016-07-22 11:23 Ayyri: (i don't know what to call it actually, but i know what it does)
2016-07-22 11:24 Naxess: fixed that
2016-07-22 11:24 Ayyri: did you add it to normal?
2016-07-22 11:24 Naxess: Nah
2016-07-22 11:24 Naxess: Removed it from advanced
2016-07-22 11:24 Ayyri: is it not in the other diffs?
2016-07-22 11:24 Naxess: I think the other diffs have spinners here
2016-07-22 11:24 Ayyri: gotcha
2016-07-22 11:26 Ayyri: did you want the drum hs at 01:41:638 - ?
Removed drum sampleset from 01:41:638 - .
2016-07-22 11:26 Naxess: woops
2016-07-22 11:27 Naxess: fixed the force break thing at 01:56:638 -
All breaks before spinners at 01:56:638 - now have their ending times adjusted to previous downbeat in order to avoid suprising players with the last spinner as likely.
2016-07-22 11:27 Ayyri: good :D
2016-07-22 11:31 Naxess: in hard... 00:23:534 -
2016-07-22 11:31 Naxess: lol xD
2016-07-22 11:31 Naxess: rip me with all those blankets
2016-07-22 11:31 Ayyri: :^D
2016-07-22 11:32 Ayyri: you
2016-07-22 11:32 Ayyri: really like overlaps
2016-07-22 11:32 Ayyri: don't you
2016-07-22 11:33 Naxess: Whaaat lol
2016-07-22 11:33 Ayyri: 00:05:948 -
2016-07-22 11:33 Ayyri: 00:06:638 -
2016-07-22 11:33 Naxess: Yeah XD
2016-07-22 11:34 Naxess: It gets worse
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: a lot of the things in the map
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: i've already said
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: so i'm gonna assume you're gonna apply them without me saying so
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: :D
2016-07-22 11:34 Naxess: Just quickly make 1 example of each thing
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: sure
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: but first
2016-07-22 11:34 Ayyri: 00:32:500 -
2016-07-22 11:35 Ayyri: finish please :D
2016-07-22 11:35 Naxess: 00:08:707 (2,2) - also what do you think about this?
2016-07-22 11:35 Naxess: Should I Ctrl+G them individually?
2016-07-22 11:35 Naxess: But the finish xD
2016-07-22 11:35 Ayyri: i like those types of patterns
2016-07-22 11:36 Naxess: Hm
2016-07-22 11:36 Naxess: Should I Ctrl+G these individually? 00:09:741 (1,2,3) -
2016-07-22 11:36 Ayyri: 00:24:052 - blanket http://i.imgur.com/UcxZXeW.png
2016-07-22 11:36 Naxess: Just trying to get some opinions on this pattern basically
2016-07-22 11:36 Ayyri: also
2016-07-22 11:36 Ayyri: i think they look better as is
2016-07-22 11:36 Naxess: Alright
2016-07-22 11:37 Naxess: I have trouble blanketing because of my skin... https://puu.sh/qaMbh/86aa673948.jpg
2016-07-22 11:37 Naxess: The borders on the circles are all... glowy xD
2016-07-22 11:37 Ayyri: nice overlap http://i.imgur.com/GCjoWJA.png 00:39:569 -
2016-07-22 11:37 Ayyri: shit
2016-07-22 11:37 Ayyri: 00:39:569 -
2016-07-22 11:38 Naxess: Is it nice or was that sarcasm? lol
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/GCjoWJA.png
2016-07-22 11:38 Naxess: I've had someone else tell me these are terrible lmao
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: i think that they look
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: bad
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: tbh
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: also
2016-07-22 11:38 Ayyri: why don't you use the default skin in editor?
2016-07-22 11:39 Naxess: You can do that?
2016-07-22 11:39 Naxess: How?
2016-07-22 11:40 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/JC8ojBD.png
2016-07-22 11:40 Ayyri: at the bottom of the options
2016-07-22 11:42 Naxess: Bottom of options? https://puu.sh/qaMvB/bf3f5a29ce.jpg
2016-07-22 11:43 Naxess: Oh sec
2016-07-22 11:44 Naxess: Actually still confused
2016-07-22 11:44 Naxess: Where did you go to get to that? xD
2016-07-22 11:45 Naxess: nvm found it
2016-07-22 11:46 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/bUaCy6y.png
2016-07-22 11:46 Ayyri: ye
2016-07-22 11:50 Ayyri: 01:20:086 - finish
2016-07-22 11:50 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/tIhFC1o.png
2016-07-22 11:50 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 11:50 Naxess: That's the finish that sounded wierd though isn't it?
2016-07-22 11:50 Naxess: You really don't like overlaps do you? xD
2016-07-22 11:51 Ayyri: no D:
2016-07-22 11:51 Ayyri: they look ugly ;w;
2016-07-22 11:51 Naxess: ;w;
2016-07-22 11:52 Naxess: I'll fix some I guess rofl
Fixed most overlaps.
2016-07-22 11:52 Ayyri: thank you omg
2016-07-22 11:52 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/yu9o0NW.png
2016-07-22 11:52 Ayyri: 01:43:190 -
Adjusted basically all blankets.
2016-07-22 11:53 Naxess: looool I am so good at blanketing
2016-07-22 11:54 Naxess: btw
2016-07-22 11:54 Ayyri: no D:<
2016-07-22 11:54 Naxess: Which types of overlaps are acceptable and which aren't in your opinion?
2016-07-22 11:56 Ayyri: just a sec
2016-07-22 11:57 Ayyri: 00:04:569 -
2016-07-22 11:57 Ayyri: that one is pretty small
2016-07-22 11:57 Ayyri: 00:05:948 -
2016-07-22 11:57 Ayyri: if it's done right, it's fine
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: 00:23:534 -
2016-07-22 11:58 Naxess: I'm guessing as long as it doesn't overlap the tail or head, it's fine?
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: basically this whole chapter
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: not exactly true, but kind of
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: not chapter fuck
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: section* lol
2016-07-22 11:58 Ayyri: i said chapter when i was type that, sorry
2016-07-22 11:59 Naxess: np lol
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: like
2016-07-22 11:59 Naxess: So what's with that section? is it bad?
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: those overlaps are fine
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: like
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: http://i.imgur.com/5p34emt.png
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: even this kind of thing would be fine for me
2016-07-22 11:59 Ayyri: but it depends on how the pattern is used tbh
2016-07-22 12:00 Ayyri: so it's more case to case than anything else
2016-07-22 12:04 Naxess: *trying to fix blankets and overlaps intensifies*
2016-07-22 12:05 Naxess: omg there's so much
2016-07-22 12:05 Ayyri: D:
2016-07-22 12:07 Naxess: What do you think about this? 00:35:948 (1,3) -
2016-07-22 12:07 Naxess: I'll send screenshot instead lol
2016-07-22 12:08 Naxess: https://puu.sh/qaNX9/9f8ac63df0.jpg
2016-07-22 12:08 Ayyri: that's fine :D
2016-07-22 12:09 Naxess: Alright nice xD
2016-07-22 12:11 Ayyri: :3
2016-07-22 12:11 Naxess: This is probably terrible as well, isn't it? https://puu.sh/qaO98/17b276571e.jpg
2016-07-22 12:13 Ayyri: oh my god what is that
2016-07-22 12:13 Ayyri: is the overlap where the tail and head are
2016-07-22 12:13 Ayyri: because i think that's okay
2016-07-22 12:13 Ayyri: as long as you fix the BLANKET right there :D
2016-07-22 12:16 Naxess: lol yeh
2016-07-22 12:16 Naxess: What about this? https://puu.sh/qaOr1/c277f87eed.jpg
2016-07-22 12:17 Naxess: You're basically my bad-overlap-scanner at this point lmao
2016-07-22 12:17 Naxess: at least you don't have to point them out yourself lol
2016-07-22 12:17 Ayyri: aha
2016-07-22 12:17 Ayyri: yeah, that's fine
2016-07-22 12:17 Ayyri: it's a very small overlap lol
2016-07-22 12:17 Naxess: Yeah but some people argue that small overlaps are the worst xD
2016-07-22 12:19 Ayyri: i mean sometimes
2016-07-22 12:19 Ayyri: they can be, yeah lol

Thanks a lot for helping out with hitsounds and overlaps.
I guess I'll edit my responses to previous mods about these things, since they also mentioned a lot of this.

sahuang wrote:

NC is somehow too frequent in Lunatic and it's bit messy.
Besides, some flows are too straight and you should put more focus on the distance.
Quite a nice map, much better than my first few i can say,good luck lol
Oh no, Sahuang, don't you "good luck" me after what you just said. You better explain yourself xD
sahuang
ok here it goes:)

[Normal]
  1. imo in Normal dont spam NC,sometimes you NC when combo only reaches 2.
    00:02:845 (1,1) - 00:08:362 (1) - etc.dont NC them, it feels much better.
  2. 00:15:948 (2,1) - the flow here somehow feels bad cuz 1 is placed too leftward. https://puu.sh/qb3WQ/b862ab3655.jpg
  3. 00:33:190 (1) - no need NC
  4. 00:45:603 (1,2) - usually either NC or make aesthetic pattern. https://puu.sh/qb42L/a02f3a19fc.jpg
  5. 00:56:638 (1,2) - make consistency with the pattern above and 00:56:638 (1) - cancel NC
  6. 00:58:017 (3) - NC
  7. 01:09:052 (1,1) - i notice that u like to use this kind of curves. remember in today's mapping it is good and more acceptable to use
    slider with smaller curves for these. https://puu.sh/qb4cU/1bb3802034.jpg the one on the bottom looks better and plays better, more curve means harder for ppl to move and curve
  8. 01:12:328 (2) - right angle sliders look awkward so change maybe
    The kiai on the other hand is perfect, it's certainly suitable for ranking

[Adv]
  1. 00:02:500 (3,1) - the ds is correct but that tiny distance looks awful
  2. 00:10:603 - add a note,the sudden stop breaks the song
  3. 00:18:534 (2,3) - same here
  4. 00:19:397 (1,2) - you'd better improve shape https://puu.sh/qb4tO/22e9981020.jpg
  5. 00:21:983 - maybe add a note
  6. 00:27:672 (1,2) - it's inconsistency with other parts and why not change 3/4 to 2/4
  7. 00:31:810 (1,2) - baddddd pattern,usually new mappers will make it. and tbh this tiny overlap between 00:31:810 (1,2) - in any map looks pretty bad...
    e.g. https://puu.sh/qb4AF/22bada2457.jpg
  8. 00:36:638 (2,3) - rip flow
  9. 00:37:328 (1) - mapping technique: make the slider angle with horizontal/vertical ~15 degrees usually looks nice
    https://puu.sh/qb4FM/2622dbd56b.jpg
  10. 00:40:086 (1,2) - as mentioned above improve shape
  11. 00:44:224 (1,2) - blanket
  12. 01:17:328 (1,2) - stack slider head with circle feels better imo

[Hard]
  1. i think ur rhythm choice is fine,but somehow the map lacks 'beauty' and some shapes look really unsatisfactory to me.
  2. 00:04:914 (3,1) - 00:05:603 (1,2) - 00:12:500 (1,2) - 00:40:776 (3,4) - 00:43:190 (2,3,4) - etc these shapes tbh can be improved a lot. try to make map looks better
  3. 00:32:500 - note here
  4. 01:11:810 (1,2,3) - will cause reading problems so https://puu.sh/qb503/711b852c04.jpg
  5. 01:45:603 (4,5) - such kind of distance always looks bad https://puu.sh/qb548/6b9b2486c0.jpg

rest comes later

[Hyp]
  1. 00:05:603 (1,2) - weird angle choice and placememt here. https://puu.sh/qb5cu/fd1c1e00d2.jpg
    the shapes you make sometimes are 'crushing together' and it's hard to see the beauty and smooth flow inside. but by mapping more u will learn about it xD
  2. 00:30:776 (3,4,5) - https://puu.sh/qb5kn/ccbf80b7c5.jpg
  3. 00:31:810 (1,2) - sth like this looks/plays weird
  4. 00:48:362 (1,2,3) - flow a bit too straight, and distance for 00:48:879 (2,3) - looks awful
    Rest quite ok to me,similar problems just occur repeatedly. i'm not saying lack beauty/looks weird with no reason, it's just common sense that some patterns looks better while others dont. You can probably
    learn more about today's pattern by studying them. A suggestion/tip: in lower diffs avoid overlap as much as possible,by overlap i mean sth like 01:44:224 (4,5) - 00:56:638 (1,3) -

[Lunatic]
  1. 00:05:603 (1,2,3,4) - too hard here,especially the jump stream part 00:05:603 (1,2,3) - It occurs in some old maps but here it surely doesnt suit.
  2. 00:18:190 - should add a note.
  3. 00:21:466 (3) - this is definitely undermap. music suggests should be 1/4 streams same as 00:21:810 (4,5,6,7) -
  4. 00:23:534 (1,2) - no need to stick to ds in lunatic.can do sth like https://puu.sh/qb5Fo/29869b6c10.jpg
    you also want to make shape better so avoid some strange overlaps
  5. 00:38:362 (3,4,1) - personally i dislike the flow,it's too straight and thus hard to play.
  6. 00:51:121 (1,2) - anti-flow
  7. 00:56:293 (4,1) - increase ds here,the music feels stronger,it may be better if u G 00:56:293 (4) -
  8. 01:08:190 - 01:13:707 - note
  9. 01:55:948 (1,2,3,4) - try ctrl+J this and cuz you NC this can feel better
  10. 01:58:362 (1) - dont spam NC

overall it's already very good for a new mapper,the biggest thing to improve is certainly shape and pattern.
Topic Starter
Naxess
sahuang

sahuang wrote:

ok here it goes:) \:D/

[Normal]
  1. imo in Normal dont spam NC,sometimes you NC when combo only reaches 2.
    00:02:845 (1,1) - 00:08:362 (1) - etc.dont NC them, it feels much better.
    Alright, it was mentioned before and I guess I sort of see your point, I'm now NCing 2/1 instead of 1/1 measures.
  2. 00:15:948 (2,1) - the flow here somehow feels bad cuz 1 is placed too leftward. https://puu.sh/qb3WQ/b862ab3655.jpg
    I see what you mean, but currently it works as staggering for the following downbeat, so I'll keep it.
    Originally 00:15:948 (2) - was straight, but then I blanketed it after Aeril's mod.
    (it's not even a proper blanket woops xD)
    Fixed some blankets, including this one.
  3. 00:33:190 (1) - no need NC
  4. 00:45:603 (1,2) - usually either NC or make aesthetic pattern. https://puu.sh/qb42L/a02f3a19fc.jpg
    I'll NC (1) again, because of brief SV change.
  5. 00:56:638 (1,2) - make consistency with the pattern above and 00:56:638 (1) - cancel NC
    That would make the NC with 00:45:603 (1,2) - inconsistent. Visual patterns shouldn't need consistency imo, since it'd make flow kind of monotonous.
  6. 00:58:017 (3) - NC
    I was thinking it might be unnecessary, but sure.
  7. 01:09:052 (1,1) - i notice that u like to use this kind of curves. remember in today's mapping it is good and more acceptable to use
    slider with smaller curves for these. https://puu.sh/qb4cU/1bb3802034.jpg the one on the bottom looks better and plays better, more curve means harder for ppl to move and curve
    I mapped this a while ago, at which point I thought stuff like this was a good idea lol
    Most of them are now less curved.
  8. 01:12:328 (2) - right angle sliders look awkward so change maybe
    I don't really understand this one.
    The kiai on the other hand is perfect, it's certainly suitable for ranking

[Adv]
  1. 00:02:500 (3,1) - the ds is correct but that tiny distance looks awful
    You're right, spaced slightly.
  2. 00:10:603 - add a note,the sudden stop breaks the song
    I disagree. It rather emphasizes the beat at 00:10:776 - better like this. Stream-like sounds are also quite weak in Advanced and normal difficulties imo, which is why I usually skip them, since I can't use 1/4 repeats or actual streams yet.
  3. 00:18:534 (2,3) - same here
    Going to assume you mean your first point lol
    Spaced here as well.
  4. 00:19:397 (1,2) - you'd better improve shape https://puu.sh/qb4tO/22e9981020.jpg
    (1) and (2) are now symmetrical.
  5. 00:21:983 - maybe add a note
    Same thing about the stream-like sounds again. There isn't really any clear distinct impact for a note on the red tick imo. Plus this is right before a spinner anyway, so it shouldn't matter.
  6. 00:27:672 (1,2) - it's inconsistency with other parts and why not change 3/4 to 2/4
    If you remove the notes and listen, you'll notice there's a sound on both the blue tick and the red tick from the drums. Those are the sounds I'm covering by using 3/4 and circle. If the song itself is inconsistent with how it sounds, then I'll map inconsistently, as well, to reflect that.
  7. 00:31:810 (1,2) - baddddd pattern,usually new mappers will make it. and tbh this tiny overlap between 00:31:810 (1,2) - in any map looks pretty bad...
    e.g. https://puu.sh/qb4AF/22bada2457.jpg
    Could you explain why this is a bad pattern? Right now I'm not really sure what to make of it.
    I spaced them a bit to avoid the tiny overlaps.
  8. 00:36:638 (2,3) - rip flow
    Saying "rip flow" to a pattern like this is basically the same thing as saying "rip flow" to a pattern like this:

    Which is widely accepted, so I don't really understand your argument here.
  9. 00:37:328 (1) - mapping technique: make the slider angle with horizontal/vertical ~15 degrees usually looks nice
    https://puu.sh/qb4FM/2622dbd56b.jpg
    I'm aware of this technique, but I'm not trying to align patterns with the global axies.
    Although it's definitely an interesting point you're bringing up, so I decided to create my own axies, which I kept symmetrical.
    I moved some stuff around and flipped some sliders.

  10. 00:40:086 (1,2) - as mentioned above improve shape
    Simply "improve shape" isn't going to help much, you should try to give some arguments to why the current shape is bad, and some exmaple to how it can be changed to produce a better result. Neither do I see how this is related to what you mentioned above.
  11. 00:44:224 (1,2) - blanket
    You're probably the fourth person that's told me this xD
    Fine, but just this one lmao
  12. 01:17:328 (1,2) - stack slider head with circle feels better imo
    Sure, now stacked under head instead. Adjusted slider slightly so it works with DS as well.

[Hard]
  1. i think ur rhythm choice is fine,but somehow the map lacks 'beauty' and some shapes look really unsatisfactory to me.
  2. 00:04:914 (3,1) - 00:05:603 (1,2) - 00:12:500 (1,2) - 00:40:776 (3,4) - 00:43:190 (2,3,4) - etc these shapes tbh can be improved a lot. try to make map looks better
    Again, just pointing them out isn't really going to help much. I need answers to why and how.
    I'll sum up some information about each thing you've pointed out.

    00:04:914 (3,1) - I've been told to blanket these at one point, but I see no reason to, since they're still aesthetical by being the same shape rotated and flipped.

    00:05:603 (1,2) - Is not stacked, because it's a 1/4 gap, which I indicate through short-spacing. The path of (1) goes over (2) to slow down momentum of the cursor in relevance to the pitch. The cursor is seemingly "caught" by the following slider this way.

    00:12:500 (1,2) - These were once overlapping, but I decided to change them after some complaints. I've been suggested to blanket them, but I felt that would break the triangle aesthetic of this whole pattern, 00:12:328 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - .

    00:40:776 (3,4) - These are perfectly blanketed. View > Stacking

    00:43:190 (2,3,4) - (2) is overlapping with (4)'s path, but neither the head nor the tail, which I've come to believe is acceptable. (of course, I'm still open to arguments against this)

  3. 00:32:500 - note here
    I'm solely following the piano, the other instruments are irrelevant in this case.
    At some point or another, people will tell me to map
    00:32:155 - 00:32:672 - 00:33:362 - 00:33:448 - 00:33:534 - 00:34:052 -
    If I decided to, for some reason, map that finish, or am I wrong?
    Either way, the finishes and the piano are not in harmony, which will make it confusing if I map both.
  4. 01:11:810 (1,2,3) - will cause reading problems so https://puu.sh/qb503/711b852c04.jpg
    Applied.
  5. 01:45:603 (4,5) - such kind of distance always looks bad https://puu.sh/qb548/6b9b2486c0.jpg
    Spaced slightly.

rest comes later

[Hyp]
  1. 00:05:603 (1,2) - weird angle choice and placememt here. https://puu.sh/qb5cu/fd1c1e00d2.jpg
    the shapes you make sometimes are 'crushing together' and it's hard to see the beauty and smooth flow inside. but by mapping more u will learn about it xD
    I don't see how this is weird. It may be 'crushing together' but that's the whole purpose of it.
    What you suggested would be a completely different type of flow. Mine spirals inwards, yours curves outwards.
  2. 00:30:776 (3,4,5) - https://puu.sh/qb5kn/ccbf80b7c5.jpg
    I agree, this place looks strange. Remapped 00:30:776 - to 00:34:569 - .
  3. 00:31:810 (1,2) - sth like this looks/plays weird
  4. 00:48:362 (1,2,3) - flow a bit too straight, and distance for 00:48:879 (2,3) - looks awful
    The flow is fine for the long and steady sound it's reflecting, and the distance is also fine.
    You're probably looking at the path of (3). Don't look at the path. Look at the head; that's where you have to click.
    Rest quite ok to me,similar problems just occur repeatedly. i'm not saying lack beauty/looks weird with no reason, it's just common sense that some patterns looks better while others dont. You can probably
    learn more about today's pattern by studying them. A suggestion/tip: in lower diffs avoid overlap as much as possible,by overlap i mean sth like 01:44:224 (4,5) - 00:56:638 (1,3) -
    "it's just common sense that some patterns looks better while others dont" In which case, I'd like you to link me to some perfect maps with great patterns, that I can learn from and judge on my own. (contact me in-game or with forum PM)

    Remember, when modding a map, it is most helpful to the mapper if you give examples and constructive reasoning. In this case, the common sense you're talking about is not constructive reasoning, it's what you call "argument of the masses" (also known as Argumentum ad populum, a fallacious argument), which I don't believe to be vaild; Just because most people do something, does not mean everyone else should follow in their tracks. There's most likely other reasoning at work for why the majority has chosen to do something a specific way, which I'd like to know of instead of the "do this because everyone else does it" arguments.

    With constructive reasoning and arguments we'd be able to teach the future generation of mappers why things are done a specific way, instead of just going "that's just how things are around here". Seems like I'm a part of that future generation, at the moment.

[Lunatic]
  1. 00:05:603 (1,2,3,4) - too hard here,especially the jump stream part 00:05:603 (1,2,3) - It occurs in some old maps but here it surely doesnt suit.
    1. The first four notes play almost like an anti-jump atm, but I'd definitely like to change it somehow. I'm just waiting for some suggestions in the meantime.
    2. I don't see what's wrong with the jump. I think it play's quite naturally with the increase in pitch at 00:06:293 - .
      Neither do I believe it to be hard, and I usually only play insanes at 4.5 SR atm, but I will take your opinion into consideration.
      Brining up the point of old maps is irrelevant, in my opinion, since it, yet again, falls into the Argumentum ad populum fallacy.
  2. 00:18:190 - should add a note.
    This is intentional. It's an anti-jump. The position you pointed out is not strong enough to have a note imo.
  3. 00:21:466 (3) - this is definitely undermap. music suggests should be 1/4 streams same as 00:21:810 (4,5,6,7) -
    Listen to the various layers of music. The main layer is playing 1/2 until 00:21:810 - , where it's 1/4. The background layer, the piano, is irrelevant in this case, since I'm not following it. If this was an extra, however, then I'd probably have made everything streams.
  4. 00:23:534 (1,2) - no need to stick to ds in lunatic.can do sth like https://puu.sh/qb5Fo/29869b6c10.jpg
    I think you misunderstood the whole point of DS. It's not just some rule that easy and normal has to follow for no reason, but rather it helps reading. I'm short-spacing because it's a 1/4 gap. If I'd have spaced 1/4 the same as 1/2 then it'd likely get very confusing.
    you also want to make shape better so avoid some strange overlaps
    Overlapping where there are already overlaps, because of short-spacing, is fine imo.
  5. 00:38:362 (3,4,1) - personally i dislike the flow,it's too straight and thus hard to play.
    I'll wait for more opinions, although it has been pointed out once before, so I'll think about how I can change it in the meantime.
  6. 00:51:121 (1,2) - anti-flow
    I assume you're saying it doesn't fit, in which case I agree; there's no strong beats to reverse on here. Rotated 90 degrees.
  7. 00:56:293 (4,1) - increase ds here,the music feels stronger,it may be better if u G 00:56:293 (4) -
    I Ctrl+J ed 00:56:638 (1) - instead, because Ging 00:56:293 (4) - would remove it's own jump and also make it inconsistent with the other ones.
  8. 01:08:190 - 01:13:707 - note
    I don't think they're strong enough. Plus, having some 1/1 gaps improves the rhythm variety and emphasizes the pauses better imo.
  9. 01:55:948 (1,2,3,4) - try ctrl+J this and cuz you NC this can feel better
    That's an interesting idea, but Ctrl+J would cause it to overlap 01:57:500 (2) - , so I used Ctrl+H and lined it up with 01:57:672 (3) - instead.
  10. 01:58:362 (1) - dont spam NC
    Removed NC and improved ordering of combo colors around here.

overall it's already very good for a new mapper,the biggest thing to improve is certainly shape and pattern.

Thanks for explaining it, although I might need to contact you in-game about some of the things.
I really want to improve my shapes and patterns, but I don't know how ;w;

After this, I'll look over some older mods and reconsider some suggestions.

Also adjusted HP difficulty settings after some testplays.
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